Farmers Insurance Open 2021

[Brooks_Cupcake]

3 minutes ago, Holy Moses said:

Reed picked up the ball to determine if it was embedded before the official came over. Ken Tackett not a fan of that.

How is that not cheating?

oh I “conveniently picked it up” ahead of an official actually determining if it was embedded.....

[Ronnie Mundt]

How in the hell is he allowed to do that? That was a really bizarre sequence of events there by Reed.

[Ronnie Mundt]

I don’t think the rules official knew what to do there. You leave the ball “in the ground” until the official comes and determines if it is actually embedded.

[Jose c.]

Agree just a bad look.What timing though with the introduction of the rules guy. 

[Mathwiz]

10 minutes ago, Holy Moses said:

Reed picked up the ball to determine if it was embedded before the official came over. Ken Tackett not a fan of that.

I don't think it is right for the player to "pick up" the ball in rough that deep before they call an official over to check the status of the ball.

[Holy Moses]

Just now, Jose c. said:

Agree just a bad look.What timing though with the introduction of the rules guy. 

It’s not a bad look. He was trying to get around the rules. Really impossible to tell if the ball was embedded if you take it out before inspection. Some on Twitter are saying the ball did not embed on the fly either.

[TerpFangolfer]

Yeah, just saw the replay. Pretty sure a ball can only be embedded if it ends up in its original pitch mark? That obviously bounced and settled 2-3' away. Crazy...

[80sFredriksson]

Pat Reed strikes again

[irvnasty]

Does anyone know for the average person playing (i.e. without access to a rules official whom I agree should have inspected the ball before it was moved)?

 

If my ball maybe plugged in deep rough where it's hard to tell with the naked eye, am I forced to play it if I can't identify it as plugged just by looking, or is it legal to lift the ball, similar to if needing to identify the ball?

 

I play some very wet courses, and I'm not sure I've ever encountered exactly this, but I easily could.

 

EDIT: My instinct would be that I just have to smack it or pull it but risk penalty if it wasn't embedded.

Edited January 30, 2021 by irvnasty
clarification

[Holy Moses]

1 minute ago, 80sFredriksson said:

Pat Reed strikes again

Welcome to 2021. Off to a roaring start.

[Holy Moses]

 

Edited January 30, 2021 by Holy Moses

[bscinstnct]

Reed getting roasted on tweeters.

 

Here is the shot

 

 

[TerpFangolfer]

5 minutes ago, irvnasty said:

Does anyone know for the average person playing (i.e. without access to a rules official whom I agree should have inspected the ball before it was moved)?

 

If my ball maybe plugged in deep rough where it's hard to tell with the naked eye, am I forced to play it if I can't identify it as plugged just by looking, or is it legal to lift the ball, similar to if needing to identify the ball?

 

I play some very wet courses, and I'm not sure I've ever encountered exactly this, but I easily could.

It is legal to lift it to check under 16.4...mark & lift. It's no longer required to announce why you are doing it.

Best practice is to let fellow competitors know...

[Holy Moses]

2 minutes ago, bscinstnct said:

Reed getting roasted on tweeters.

 

Here is the shot

 

 

Did anyone actually tell Reed his ball was embedded on the first hop or did he lie? He’s a cheater. He’s undefendable.

[cantwells]

I wonder how hard Reed had to press down on that ball in order to create the perceived inbedded mark...
 

No arguing Reed’s talent. However, with his history, perceived or otherwise, picking the ball up before the official showed up is a bad look.  And him saying the ball didn’t bounce into that lie was incorrect.  And unless lift, clean, and place is allowed outside of the fairway, how is it okay to pick it up and put it back without penalty (according to the announcer).

[Brooks_Cupcake]

4 minutes ago, TerpFangolfer said:

It is legal to lift it to check under 16.4...mark & lift. It's no longer required to announce why you are doing it.

Best practice is to let fellow competitors know...

Bad form across the board, when you have a rules official you let them do their job to protect the integrity of the competition, not the actual rule....he’s an Effin joke...

 

Stop calling him Captain America, because people actually like Captain America.

[Jose c.]

Dam they just showed it ouch. Good luck patty you earned it.

[Hawkeye77]

22 minutes ago, J-Zone said:

How is that not cheating?

oh I “conveniently picked it up” ahead of an official actually determining if it was embedded.....

Because he knows the rules?

[Holy Moses]

Nantz: “The optics are not good.”

[TerpFangolfer]

Holy crap...Tackett just backed up that it embedded on the 2' bounce. No way...lol

 

Faldo definitely wasn't buying it...

[Holy Moses]

5 minutes ago, cantwells said:

I wonder how hard Reed had to press down on that ball in order to create the perceived inbedded mark...
 

No arguing Reed’s talent. However, with his history, perceived or otherwise, picking the ball up before the official showed up is a bad look.  And him saying the ball didn’t bounce into that lie was incorrect.  And unless lift, clean, and place is allowed outside of the fairway, how is it okay to pick it up and put it back without penalty (according to the announcer).

If you are going to call a rules official over, don’t pick up the ball. Reed is a cheater. He knows it and loves the controversy. 

[irvnasty]

Just now, Hawkeye77 said:

Because he knows the rules?

 

I think the issue is whether (a) the official was examining the correct ball mark by the time he got there, because the ball was no longer in place to differentiate between its first point of impact and where it ultimately settled, or (b) Reed may have done something to push the ball downwards.

 

That's what people are getting at, I think.

[Holy Moses]

11 minutes ago, TerpFangolfer said:

It is legal to lift it to check under 16.4...mark & lift. It's no longer required to announce why you are doing it.

Best practice is to let fellow competitors know...

Is it legal to push the ball down into the turf before marking and lifting?

[Hawkeye77]

Just now, irvnasty said:

 

I think the issue is whether (a) the official was examining the correct ball mark by the time he got there, because the ball was no longer in place to differentiate between its first point of impact and where it ultimately settled, or (b) Reed may have done something to push the ball downwards.

 

That's what people are getting at, I think.

What they are getting at is another jump to conclusions rules party, lol.  

[Hawkeye77]

Just now, Holy Moses said:

Is it legal to push the ball down into the turf before marking and lifting?

Is there video that he did that? 

[Creedo77]

Reed didn't break any rules by marking and checking if its embedded. Yet, from my experiences with pros in this setting you should typically tell your playing partners that you're checking it for whatever reason and one of his playing partners should have been right there next to him. 

 

Given its Reed though, I'm sure he's manipulated that lie to his advantage. 

[Ronnie Mundt]

Old Patty is just getting all of the relief today...this guy is a joke.

[spbrooks]

Good for Nick calling him out 🤷‍♂️

[cantwells]

Hawkeye,  there is no video of him pressing the ball down. However there IS video of the ball bouncing into that location. No way, no way that that ball ended up in an embedded lie

[Holy Moses]

If Reed wants to make the embedded ball call on his own and check its position, then fine. But if you are going to call a rules official over, give him all the evidence he needs to make a proper decision.