Farmers Insurance Open 2021

[Hawkeye77]

Brandel now becoming very popular, I feel, with people who would normally rip him at every opportunity!

 

I do love his jacket - classic!  Always keep one like it in the stable.

Edited January 30, 2021 by Hawkeye77

[8602081]

This is what makes me mad...

 

I always valued integrity of golf..  He's taking that away..

 

[bajadock]

I'll go with "simplify the rules" perspective.  

[deadsolid...shank]

Just now, Holy Moses said:

The ground is wet. They’ve had 4” of rain in the last week and 1.5” yesterday. I still don’t think that you can embed a ball from 1’ high in 3” grass even when it’s really wet. 

Probably not. Yet we don’t really know. The video shows it didn’t bounce a second time. Maybe it was an abnormally wet spot?

 

Although I do agree with those who are doubtful about it imbedding after the bounce. It does seem doubtful. But, if he proceeded in the normal manner that these guys do (in regards to when he picked it up), then if there is no video evidence that he exerted forced on the ball to make it imbed, all the official can go on is what is there at that time. And the rules official seemed to corroborate his explanation of when the pros pick up the ball. 

[Ghost of Snead]

13 minutes ago, Holy Moses said:

The issue is not the bouncing. I’m fairly confident that the ball ended up where it did on the second bounce. The issue is whether Reed pressed the ball down to fake an embedded ball. If he did, he would pick it up before the official got there to cover his tracks. Reed didn’t let the official fully do his job. I just don’t see a 1-2’ bounce in 3” rough embedding itself no matter how wet it is.

 

This - no way a ball embeds after bouncing up at knee height. 

[deadsolid...shank]

6 minutes ago, Featherbed Bent said:

you can't argue with physics.  never in the history of the world has a golf ball, after bouncing, embedded itself in thick and deep rough.

Really, you know that is has never happened?

[dwboston]

I don't understand why he picked the ball up if he thought it was embedded, then called for a rules official?  It doesn't make sense.  Let the official make the determination if it was embedded.

 

He's in the presser saying it's impossible for the ball to embed if it bounced, but he knows it bounced and pointed the official to the indentation the ball "made".  How was there an indentation if he knows the ball bounced and a bouncing ball doesn't embed?  He's full of it.

Edited January 30, 2021 by dwboston

[Holy Moses]

I give Reed props for answering these questions from the media. I somewhat buy that someone in the crowd said that he or she thought the ball didn’t bounce. But he should have let the official examine the situation before removing the ball.

[deadsolid...shank]

To everyone calling him out, if this had been another player not named PR, with his history, would you be so up in arms about this?

[wfrogge1]

Just now, Holy Moses said:

I give Reed props for answering these questions from the media. I somewhat buy that someone in the crowd said that he or she thought the ball didn’t bounce. But he should have let the official examine the situation before removing the ball.

Should have? Yes...  Required to by the rules? No...

[8602081]

Curious what other pros think about this..

 

waiting for twitter responses..  🤨

[Jose c.]

[Ghost of Snead]

Just now, deadsolid...shank said:

To everyone calling him out, if this had been another player not named PR, with his history, would you be so up in arms about this?

 

Most other players would have called the rules official before picking up the ball. 

[dropkicked]

Question: did the rules official lie as well?

 

[Holy Moses]

2 minutes ago, Ghost of Snead said:

 

This - no way a ball embeds after bouncing up at knee height. 

Not without a huge splash of water coming up. The ground would have to be totally saturated and probably some standing water. None of this occurred today.

[capking]

Just now, deadsolid...shank said:

To everyone calling him out, if this had been another player not named PR, with his history, would you be so up in arms about this?

Of course they wouldn’t. Man I hope he wins this week

[Holy Moses]

2 minutes ago, deadsolid...shank said:

To everyone calling him out, if this had been another player not named PR, with his history, would you be so up in arms about this?

Not as much. Definitely a little less outrage. Reed deserves this because he is a pathological liar.

Edited January 30, 2021 by Holy Moses

[dropkicked]

So the chap on the tube is stating Reed, was within his rights and did everything by the book...

[deadsolid...shank]

Just now, Holy Moses said:

I give Reed props for answering these questions from the media. I somewhat buy that someone in the crowd said that he or she thought the ball didn’t bounce. But he should have let the official examine the situation before removing the ball.

I do agree with you here Moses.  Especially with his track record you’d think he would want to proceed with even more caution than most. But it again brings back the point he made. If the tour guys really do proceed this way on a day to day basis in regards to a possible imbedded ball. Do they mark and lift it first, prior to calling in an official?

[NMBob]

 Brandel said one volunteer told them the ball did bounce.       Brandel also talking how he palmed and cleaned the ball before the ruling instead of holding it with 2 fingers etc.

[dropkicked]

Just stated he did nothing wrong...

[Golfnuck]

If you ain't cheating, you ain't trying

 

Stop pestering the guy if this is the only way he can win why not ...............  props to him.

Edited January 30, 2021 by Golfnuck

[Copacetic]

29 minutes ago, deadsolid...shank said:

What he’s saying sounds legit to me. If seven people say it didn’t bounce and they don’t have immediate access to replay, how else should he proceed? 
 

I think the general dislike of PR is skewing some opinions. 

Simple, you play the ball as it lies. If everyone can just pick their ball up in heavy rough ‘because no-one saw it bounce’ then the game is a farce. I doubt very much if everyone else is trying to keep a good eye on his ball, for a start it took a decent bounce so they would have seen it if they were. 
 

All it shows is the absolute disregard for any kind of etiquette, the ball couldn’t have been embedded it it’s own pitch mark  having taken that bounce, but he took relief anyway. He didn’t call an official because they would have said it’s not embedded. Then he fiddled around at the lie and the ball a bit before getting a ruling in a random indent in heavy rough. It’s by definition cheating. He said afterward he was careful with the ball, he clearly wasn’t he was rubbing it around in the palm of his gloved hand live on TV ffs. 
 

it’s not a dislike of the player, it’s disbelief that anyone would do it then defend it afterward as perfectly good and would do it all the time. It just shows that he needs to be watched at all times.  His drop on 12 was dodgy enough too with exaggerated stance.  

Edited January 30, 2021 by Copacetic

[deadsolid...shank]

1 minute ago, NMBob said:

 Brandel said one volunteer told them the ball did bounce.       Brandel also talking how he palmed and cleaned the ball before the ruling instead of holding it with 2 fingers etc.

Is there video?  Or he just spouting off, just like Nance?

 

The rules official should have told Nance to pound sand. 

[dropkicked]

John something who is a Sr, somebody said Reed, did it all by the books and was within his rights... 🙂

[Featherbed Bent]

7 minutes ago, deadsolid...shank said:

Really, you know that is has never happened?

yes.  it's physically impossible.

 

and the video just showed him pressing around 4-5 times before picking it up.  then he kept the ball in his hand of which it looks like he cleaned it.

 

this is indefensible 

[Hawkeye77]

Rich Lerner now turning this into the Warren Commission.  The volunteer clearly said she didn't see it bounce.  Brandel's off on this palming the ball thing --- lol, let's get Tiny Archibald in on that one but not bring it into this discussion, haha.

[wfrogge1]

1 minute ago, deadsolid...shank said:

Is there video?  Or he just spouting off, just like Nance?

 

The rules official should have told Nance to pound sand. 

They just played video and audio. The volunteer clearly says that the ball didn't bounce

[dropkicked]

1 minute ago, deadsolid...shank said:

Is there video?  Or he just spouting off, just like Nance?

 

The rules official should have told Nance to pound sand. 

Funny, they just showed a video where the volunteer says clearly "no, it did not bounce.."...

 

Brandel, is a hype machine.. lol

[deadsolid...shank]

1 minute ago, Copacetic said:

Simple, you play the ball as it lies. If everyone can just pick their ball up in heavy rough ‘because no-one saw it bounce’ then the game is a farce. I doubt very much if everyone else is trying to keep a good eye on his ball, for a start it took a decent bounce so they would have seen it if they were. 
 

All it shows is the absolute disregard for any kind of etiquette, the ball couldn’t have been embedded it it’s own pitch mark  having taken that bounce, but he took relief anyway. He didn’t call an official because they would have said it’s not embedded. Then he fiddled around at the lie and the ball a bit before getting a ruling in a random indent in heavy rough. It’s by definition cheating. 
 

it’s not a dislike of the player, it’s disbelief that anyone would do it then defend it afterward as perfectly good and would do it all the time. It just shows that he needs to be watched at all times.  His drop on 12 was dodgy enough too with exaggerated stance.  

From how far, 200 plus yards, you’re so sure they would have seen a ball bounce a couple feet in the air. He said none of them saw it bounce, don’t you suppose he asked them?  Obviously NONE of the group saw it bounce.