Title update. Tiger: From crutches to golf swings

[MK7Golf21]

20 minutes ago, Greg_B said:

I didn’t just make that up. It was in one or more of the hundreds of posts in the original thread on his accident, before Tiger’s camp imposed radio silence. Of course in that same thread we had fans of his posting he’d be back Real Soon Now.  

don’t be a hater dude, not a good look. People were posting it in the thread, must be real, ha, might want to check sources next time Captain Greg B

Edited October 1, 2021 by Redjeep83

[Shilgy]

6 hours ago, Greg_B said:

I find it hilarious that the person who is criticizing other posters for their opinions on the possibilities of a comeback by Woods because they haven't seen the radiology or the doctor's reports, is offering his own opinions on a comeback by Woods without the benefit of that same information.

 

Only on Golfwrx... 🙄

This has turned into a stereotypical wrx  thread for sure.  A bunch of guys arguing about something that no one present has any idea of the real facts.

[Greg_B]

12 hours ago, Redjeep83 said:

don’t be a hater dude, not a good look. People were posting it in the thread, must be real, ha, might want to check sources next time Captain Greg B

 

I suggest you take your own advice.

[bscinstnct]

12 hours ago, Shilgy said:

This has turned into a stereotypical wrx  thread for sure.  A bunch of guys arguing about something that no one present has any idea of the real facts.

 

 

Yes, it’s impossible to speculate on whether when TW might be able to be competitive again. Or if he will recover to a point where he even will be.

 

But we do have facts as far as some detail around the injury. 
 

And we know it’s 7 months in and there have been no pics or reports of TW being able to walk without crutches. 
 

And we know after his back surgery it took him 2 years from the time he had his back surgery to get his game and n a place to win the masters. 
 

 But, I think we can say we would need to start that 2 year clock from the time we at least see him walking and chipping balls. Plus, TW put himself through hell during those 2 years grinding every week on tour like a kid who just got his tour card. 
 

So, realistically, and with some good old wrx speculation. Gotta figure he’s 2.5-4 years from winning a golf tournament.

 

But there’s a million variables is there that could take things in a variety of directions. 

 

 

Edited October 2, 2021 by bscinstnct

[Shilgy]

1 hour ago, bscinstnct said:

 

 

Yes, it’s impossible to speculate on whether when TW might be able to be competitive again. Or if he will recover to a point where he even will be.

 

But we do have facts as far as some detail around the injury. 
 

And we know it’s 7 months in and there have been no pics or reports of TW being able to walk without crutches. 
 

And we know after his back surgery it took him 2 years from the time he had his back surgery to get his game and n a place to win the masters. 
 

 But, I think we can say we would need to start that 2 year clock from the time we at least see him walking and chipping balls. Plus, TW put himself through hell during those 2 years grinding every week on tour like a kid who just got his tour card. 
 

So, realistically, and with some good old wrx speculation. Gotta figure he’s 2.5-4 years from winning a golf tournament.

 

But there’s a million variables is there that could take things in a variety of directions. 

 

 

So he might play Champions Tour? 😉

[MK7Golf21]

2 hours ago, bscinstnct said:

 

 

Yes, it’s impossible to speculate on whether when TW might be able to be competitive again. Or if he will recover to a point where he even will be.

 

But we do have facts as far as some detail around the injury. 
 

And we know it’s 7 months in and there have been no pics or reports of TW being able to walk without crutches. 
 

And we know after his back surgery it took him 2 years from the time he had his back surgery to get his game and n a place to win the masters. 
 

 But, I think we can say we would need to start that 2 year clock from the time we at least see him walking and chipping balls. Plus, TW put himself through hell during those 2 years grinding every week on tour like a kid who just got his tour card. 
 

So, realistically, and with some good old wrx speculation. Gotta figure he’s 2.5-4 years from winning a golf tournament.

 

But there’s a million variables is there that could take things in a variety of directions. 

 

 

there is some uncertainty for sure but the reports from Tiger to his friends and playing partners seems positive so far which is what I’m going off. I remember when Tiger got his fusion surgery in 2017 after telling players he was done. That was in April and one day in Oct we saw him post an instragram post of a smooth iron swing. A lot of uncertainty up to that point.

 

Have to look at it from a golf swing perspective as well and his latest injury which is what I’ve also been trying to do. Most amateur’s are overly active with their right leg especially in transition, which is why many would think he is done with this injury. It’s actually beneficial to put a stick in front of the right leg and on downswing keep it behind the stick. It stabilizes the right leg and ankle to where is feels very little involvement and your right hip and leg doesn’t pop out. 
 

Now if Tiger can’t walk again without a cain or something, then he is in trouble. 

[MK7Golf21]

Duplicate post

Edited October 2, 2021 by Redjeep83

[aenemated]

I'd say no news is good news, tbh. He's been pretty clear in the past about saying when he no longer felt he could perform, he'd be done. Seemed he was pretty resigned to it being over before the fusion surgery. 

 

The argument could be made he and his team don't want to set any unrealistic expectations but I'd also think 7 months later, they'd be able to say "not a chance" or not. 

 

Guess we'll just keep waiting. 

[oikos1]

Is the question really "Will he play again"?  The better question is if he will ever be competitive at the highest level again.  I'm confident Tiger, once recovered, could still beat 99.9% of all golfers.  It's the 0.1 percent that is going to be the challenge. 

[bscinstnct]

22 minutes ago, aenemated said:

I'd say no news is good news, tbh. He's been pretty clear in the past about saying when he no longer felt he could perform, he'd be done. Seemed he was pretty resigned to it being over before the fusion surgery. 

 

The argument could be made he and his team don't want to set any unrealistic expectations but I'd also think 7 months later, they'd be able to say "not a chance" or not. 

 

Guess we'll just keep waiting. 

 

Ya but 7 months and no pic of him waking or standing? Not saying things are going not well. But clearly his injuries were catastrophic.

 

 

For context, Hogans accident was in February 1949

 

By November 1949 he had “resumed his golf activities” and played the LA Open at the beginning of the 1950 season. And tied Snead! But lost the playoff…

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Hogan

 

 

 

[grm24]

37 minutes ago, bscinstnct said:

Ya but 7 months and no pic of him waking or standing? Not saying things are going not well. But clearly his injuries were catastrophic.

 

https://www.golfdigest.com/story/video-shows-tiger-woods-putting-weight-on-injured-leg

 

 

[bscinstnct]

3 hours ago, grm24 said:

https://www.golfdigest.com/story/video-shows-tiger-woods-putting-weight-on-injured-leg

 

 

Grm! Yes I seen that. If you’ve been on crutches for recovery time (I had acl surgery) crutches mean you’re  still early in healing.

 

So, if he still can’t walk without them 7 months later (and I assume we’d have seen it. Hey hope I’m wrong and he’s walking) then he’s still pretty early in healing. 

Edited October 3, 2021 by bscinstnct

[Naptime]

Hopefully his injuries have not gotten infected.  That would be a mess of a problem.

[bscinstnct]

1 hour ago, Naptime said:

Hopefully his injuries have not gotten infected.  That would be a mess of a problem.

 

Im sure a doc could confirm but I think infection risk for a compound/open fracture is largely around the time of injury or within a certain period of time post surgery. 
 

That said, with such severe structural/tissue damage, I imagine there are tons of complications and challenges that can arise for quite some time. 

Edited October 3, 2021 by bscinstnct

[Soloman1]

3 hours ago, Naptime said:

Hopefully his injuries have not gotten infected.  That would be a mess of a problem.

 

?? You just randomly pulled that out of where?

 

Hopefully his injuries are not infected with gangrene and he won't need to have his leg amputated.

 

How's that? Enough drama?

 

 

[aenemated]

17 hours ago, bscinstnct said:

Grm! Yes I seen that. If you’ve been on crutches for recovery time (I had acl surgery) crutches mean you’re  still early in healing.

 

So, if he still can’t walk without them 7 months later (and I assume we’d have seen it. Hey hope I’m wrong and he’s walking) then he’s still pretty early in healing. 

 

That video is from June though.

[TiScape]

1 hour ago, Soloman1 said:

 

?? You just randomly pulled that out of where? 

 

Hopefully his injuries are not infected with gangrene and he won't need to have his leg amputated.

 

How's that? Enough drama?

 

 

My guess is Alex Smith’s situation? 🤷🏼‍♂️ The media publicized the heck out of that! 
 

The original title of this thread was ‘Tiger horizontal and on his a**’. So things  are definitely  looking up! 😊

😂

[bscinstnct]

1 hour ago, aenemated said:

 

That video is from June though.

 

 

Yes, and he posted this last week.

 

Him sitting ; )

 

 

[TiScape]

9 minutes ago, bscinstnct said:

 

 

Yes, and he posted this last week.

 

Him sitting ; )

 

 

Do you think AN would allow this next April? 🤣

[bscinstnct]

10 minutes ago, TiScape said:

Do you think AN would allow this next April? 🤣

 

Ha!

 

For TW they let him roll like

 

 

[Naptime]

8 hours ago, Soloman1 said:

 

?? You just randomly pulled that out of where?

 

Hopefully his injuries are not infected with gangrene and he won't need to have his leg amputated.

 

How's that? Enough drama?

 

 

 

I usually pull things out of medical journals 😂

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6667977/

http://www.saei.org/documentos/biblioteca/biblioteca-capitulo-306-capitulos-20816.pdf

 

Just saying if you get an infection in a leg full of hardware it's a complicated recovery.  And his prolonged absence from public view suggests his recovery may be complicated.

[Soloman1]

38 minutes ago, Naptime said:

Just saying if you get an infection in a leg full of hardware it's a complicated recovery.  And his prolonged absence from public view suggests his recovery may be complicated.

 

 

His prolonged absence from public view suggests absolutely nothing.

[ALIF]

On 9/30/2021 at 6:02 PM, Marco said:

 

It's still max 1 year for full recovery and back to normal, so he should be back next season no problem.

So what happens if his talus fractures goes into AVN? Then what? Again, his type of injuries historically have a very high complication rate and high rate of long-term disability. If he could recover enough to walk 18 holes 2 days in a row I think that would be a good result for his injuries.

[stinger_gc]

I don't think Tiger will be in golf shape until late 2022- early 2023. Rickie Fowler and Steve Stricker have said that he's rehabbing to play golf again so that's a good sign. But I think there's a big difference between hitting balls on the range and playing Augusta National for 4 straight days. If he "does" comeback I think he'll probably play either his own tournament in the Bahamas in 2022 or the Father-Son tournament with Charlie. The 2022 Masters is only 6 months away (Masters week starts exactly 6 months from today!!) so I think 2022 is too soon. But he's surprised us before so you never know.

[TiScape]

 Earlier he did post a picture on social media showing he was up and on crutches. That to me suggested him and his camp wanted to show the public he was progressing. We have been shown nothing since to indicate further recovery. Like @bscinstnct said earlier, if he had progressed to getting along without the crutches we  most likely would have been shown, or seen that as well. So that indeed could suggest he has encountered some set backs. Like most of the stuff in this thread, pure speculation… Golf is slow this time of year 🤷🏼‍♂️

[stinger_gc]

2 minutes ago, TiScape said:

 Earlier he did post a picture on social media showing he was up and on crutches. That to me suggested him and his camp wanted to show the public he was progressing. We have been shown nothing since to indicate further recovery. Like @bscinstnct said earlier, if he had progressed to getting along without the crutches we  most likely would have been shown, or seen that as well. So that indeed could suggest he has encountered some set backs. Like most of the stuff in this thread, pure speculation… Golf is slow this time of year 🤷🏼‍♂️

Agreed. I think the most telling sign will be if he shows up to the Bahamas this year (as a host not player). If he doesn't attend The World Challenge in about 8 weeks for even one day then something is up, because he could ride around in a golf cart without much hassle.

[ALIF]

So this is what we know about Tigers injuries: He broke his tibia several places in the mid-shaft with extension into the ankle joint. A tibial nail was inserted. This means they probably put a couple of screws in the tibial plafond to hold it together so the nail wouldn't blow it apart. In other words the extension into the ankle wasn't super significant like some of the injuries can be. This is good news. However he had a compartment syndrome and subsequent fasciotomies and it is still a complicated injury that can become arthritic and very painful. Also, the talus fracture is the biggest unknown entity. It may heal or the bone may die and he might need to have a significant fusion of the ankle and hind foot. It gets very ugly very quickly. Hopefully he will do well. No one knows without seeing his x-rays.

[bscinstnct]

1 hour ago, ALIF said:

So this is what we know about Tigers injuries: He broke his tibia several places in the mid-shaft with extension into the ankle joint. A tibial nail was inserted. This means they probably put a couple of screws in the tibial plafond to hold it together so the nail wouldn't blow it apart. In other words the extension into the ankle wasn't super significant like some of the injuries can be. This is good news. However he had a compartment syndrome and subsequent fasciotomies and it is still a complicated injury that can become arthritic and very painful. Also, the talus fracture is the biggest unknown entity. It may heal or the bone may die and he might need to have a significant fusion of the ankle and hind foot. It gets very ugly very quickly. Hopefully he will do well. No one knows without seeing his x-rays.

 

Hey Doc! Good stuff

 

A gruesome factor and one which would have a key association to TWs injuries vs. Dak or a “typical” sports injury in which the destructive force comes from the side and the total force is great but limited to the body weights of the players involved and the energy/inertia they generate, is that I believe in TWs case

 

the direction of the destructive force may have come largely from a pretty direct, vertical, direction straight “up” via the floor as the car crumpled up into him/his leg upon impact. And I imagine this force could be a multiple of any force typically generated in many sports injuries even in the NFL. 

[ALIF]

Pilon fracture from the French "Marteau Pilon" for sledgehammer. That's how the tibial plafond and talus impact each other. The talus gets driven up into the tibial plafond and breaks/shatters it. Devastating injury.

[Naptime]

https://www.orthobullets.com/topic/dashboard?id=1&specialty=1&expandLeftMenu=true

 

If anyone want to go down the rabbit hole of ortho trauma...