Titleist Pro V1 Left Dot Retail Release?

[Aces-6]

On 9/23/2022 at 8:40 PM, grochol17 said:

 

Titleist recently released RCT versions of the left dash, which made me think that meant they we going to keep them in the line up.  A couple of days ago I noticed the left dash being back in stock at some retailers for the normal $50 per dozen.

Which retailers specifically? I don't see them as available anywhere.

 

Thanks!

[grochol17]

3 hours ago, Aces-6 said:

Which retailers specifically? I don't see them as available anywhere.

 

Thanks!

I had seen them on Carl's Golfland and Rock Bottom golf... though it looks like they  both are sold out now.  The only other one that I can find easily that shows them in stock is Golf HQ, but I've never bought anything from them before, so I'm not sure if they are any good.

[tomjohn10]

New 2023 Pro V1 testing on tour, would be great to hear if it’s inspired at all by left dot characteristics. Lower flight and spin across the board. 
 

It’s already true if you look 10 years back the current pro v1 flies lower and spins less than that ball, could see the trend continuing. Would be best case scenario. 

[G-Bone]

What I have heard so far is both new balls have lower long game spin with similar peak height. 
 

I’ll share more as I get it. 

[CallawayLefty]

On 9/25/2022 at 11:50 AM, grochol17 said:

I had seen them on Carl's Golfland and Rock Bottom golf... though it looks like they  both are sold out now.  The only other one that I can find easily that shows them in stock is Golf HQ, but I've never bought anything from them before, so I'm not sure if they are any good.

Looked to me like you can order left dash on the Titleist website again, just fyi.  I saw it closed down for a while but I just happened to glance yesterday and see that it appears they are for sale again.  

[Tommyboi95]

Does anyone know when you can time the left dots to be available online?

[Rbsiedsc]

On 10/4/2022 at 6:50 AM, CallawayLefty said:

Looked to me like you can order left dash on the Titleist website again, just fyi.  I saw it closed down for a while but I just happened to glance yesterday and see that it appears they are for sale again.  

out of stock on dash

[KingTitus]

Listening to the TXG live on YouTube and someone questioned the Left Dot release. Ian stated he can't share much but that those that want them will be happy here shortly. Keeping my fingers crossed!

[Tommyboi95]

27 minutes ago, Rbsiedsc said:

out of stock on dash

Been out of stock on both for awhile 

[Marty86]

27 minutes ago, Tommyboi95 said:

Been out of stock on both for awhile 

They were back in stock last week actually.

[Tommyboi95]

6 minutes ago, Marty86 said:

They were back in stock last week actually.

Marty were you giving any type of notification when they came in stock?

[Marty86]

12 minutes ago, Tommyboi95 said:

Marty were you giving any type of notification when they came in stock?

 

The dashes? I just saw someone post about it in one of the Prov1 threads last week and checked the website and low and behold they were instock. I don't really play Xs so it didn't compell me to purchase but it seems that the batch was either small or people really loaded up.

[CallawayLefty]

2 hours ago, Tommyboi95 said:

Been out of stock on both for awhile 

Yeah didn’t check again today but they were back up for at least a hot minute last week. 

[Myherobobhope]

Played with a guy from titleist… he said the left dot had a sourcing issue on a specific part of the ball (I didn’t ask follow up questions)

[Double Mocha Man]

1 minute ago, Myherobobhope said:

Played with a guy from titleist… he said the left dot had a sourcing issue on a specific part of the ball (I didn’t ask follow up questions)

 

I heard that the supply chain was running low on the letter "i".

[Myherobobhope]

3 hours ago, Double Mocha Man said:

 

I heard that the supply chain was running low on the letter "i".

Something like that.

[Double Mocha Man]

15 minutes ago, Myherobobhope said:

Something like that.

 

Correction:  "Somethng lke that".

[Vlade15]

On 10/4/2022 at 7:15 AM, tomjohn10 said:

New 2023 Pro V1 testing on tour, would be great to hear if it’s inspired at all by left dot characteristics. Lower flight and spin across the board. 
 

It’s already true if you look 10 years back the current pro v1 flies lower and spins less than that ball, could see the trend continuing. Would be best case scenario. 

You can look back to the first generation of Prov and if you compare it to this generation there is hardly any changes at all.  Maybe about a 200rpm spin difference in 20 years.

[tomjohn10]

On 10/26/2022 at 12:39 PM, Vlade15 said:

You can look back to the first generation of Prov and if you compare it to this generation there is hardly any changes at all.  Maybe about a 200rpm spin difference in 20 years.

Without getting into RPMs it’s been consistent “lower spin” messaging from titleist in the last several ProV1 releases. Back to the “switch” where they finally started saying the X spins more they were talking about especially in the long game how they were able to get ProV1 to spin less. 
 

https://www.pgatour.com/equipmentreport/2019/02/26/know-the-differences-titleist-pro-v1-pro-v1x-golf-ball-equipment.html

“Before the 2017 Pro V1 came out, it really did spin less than the Pro V1x with irons. Maybe it spun a little more off the tee. But the new process in the 2017 Pro V1 really lowered that driver spin and increased speed to where throughout the bag, the Pro V1 spun less than the Pro V1x.” 

 

article also mentions left dot influences. 
 

equipment changes, speed increases (ie avg golfer more athletic now) etc since the original ProV1 too. Too many variables to say how much different they actually are - that could vary golfer to golfer - but to say that proV1 hasn’t gotten lower spin by design over the years in the long game is a little ridiculous. 

 

[North Butte]

10 minutes ago, tomjohn10 said:

“Before the 2017 Pro V1 came out, it really did spin less than the Pro V1x with irons. Maybe it spun a little more off the tee. But the new process in the 2017 Pro V1 really lowered that driver spin and increased speed to where throughout the bag, the Pro V1 spun less than the Pro V1x.” 

 

The so-called "switch" never had anything to do with iron spin, wedge spin or short game spin. Those have all been higher with Pro V1x than with Pro V1 since forever. 

 

The "switch" was all about Pro V1 having what that quote refers to as "maybe it spun a little more off the tee". In 2017 they improved the Pro V1 for more driver ball speed (significantly) and less driver spin (slightly) so that stronger players no longer felt they were giving up driver performance with Pro V1 instead of Pro V1x. 

 

All this talk about the "switch" is just an example of how obsessed people are with launch monitor measures of driver performance. And in particular low spin off the driver. In terms of what really matters about a ball the Pro V1x was higher spin than Pro V1 long, long before 2017. But as soon as the driver spin on Pro V1 went from slightly higher than Pro V1x to slightly lower than Pro V1 everyone got excited like the entire product line had fundamentally changed. 

[tomjohn10]

39 minutes ago, North Butte said:

The so-called "switch" never had anything to do with iron spin, wedge spin or short game spin. Those have all been higher with Pro V1x than with Pro V1 since forever. 

 

The "switch" was all about Pro V1 having what that quote refers to as "maybe it spun a little more off the tee". In 2017 they improved the Pro V1 for more driver ball speed (significantly) and less driver spin (slightly) so that stronger players no longer felt they were giving up driver performance with Pro V1 instead of Pro V1x. 

 

All this talk about the "switch" is just an example of how obsessed people are with launch monitor measures of driver performance. And in particular low spin off the driver. In terms of what really matters about a ball the Pro V1x was higher spin than Pro V1 long, long before 2017. But as soon as the driver spin on Pro V1 went from slightly higher than Pro V1x to slightly lower than Pro V1 everyone got excited like the entire product line had fundamentally changed. 

Thank you for reiterating what I said ! 🙂

[North Butte]

1 minute ago, tomjohn10 said:

Thank you for reiterating what I said ! 🙂

Sorry, I just can't help repeating this whenever someone says it. I've seen the whole "switch" mythology over and over and over constantly for years now and it drives me a little crazy (which is a short trip). 

[Neo1]

3 hours ago, North Butte said:

The so-called "switch" never had anything to do with iron spin, wedge spin or short game spin. Those have all been higher with Pro V1x than with Pro V1 since forever. 

 

The "switch" was all about Pro V1 having what that quote refers to as "maybe it spun a little more off the tee". In 2017 they improved the Pro V1 for more driver ball speed (significantly) and less driver spin (slightly) so that stronger players no longer felt they were giving up driver performance with Pro V1 instead of Pro V1x. 

 

All this talk about the "switch" is just an example of how obsessed people are with launch monitor measures of driver performance. And in particular low spin off the driver. In terms of what really matters about a ball the Pro V1x was higher spin than Pro V1 long, long before 2017. But as soon as the driver spin on Pro V1 went from slightly higher than Pro V1x to slightly lower than Pro V1 everyone got excited like the entire product line had fundamentally changed. 

 

100%...2017 ProV1 was the first year the V made it in my bag over the X, much improved driver performance. all previous iterations of V vs X has been higher spin with X on irons down to wedges.

[Vlade15]

On 10/29/2022 at 8:23 AM, tomjohn10 said:

Without getting into RPMs it’s been consistent “lower spin” messaging from titleist in the last several ProV1 releases. Back to the “switch” where they finally started saying the X spins more they were talking about especially in the long game how they were able to get ProV1 to spin less. 
 

https://www.pgatour.com/equipmentreport/2019/02/26/know-the-differences-titleist-pro-v1-pro-v1x-golf-ball-equipment.html

“Before the 2017 Pro V1 came out, it really did spin less than the Pro V1x with irons. Maybe it spun a little more off the tee. But the new process in the 2017 Pro V1 really lowered that driver spin and increased speed to where throughout the bag, the Pro V1 spun less than the Pro V1x.” 

 

article also mentions left dot influences. 
 

equipment changes, speed increases (ie avg golfer more athletic now) etc since the original ProV1 too. Too many variables to say how much different they actually are - that could vary golfer to golfer - but to say that proV1 hasn’t gotten lower spin by design over the years in the long game is a little ridiculous. 

 

Over the course of the 20 years now that the ProV has been available - you would likely see about a 200rpm difference in the original to now.  Maybe 1 mph in ball speed.  Not to say those numbers aren't potentially impactful - but about 99% of golfers would not be able to tell the difference.  And I am including everyone on this forum when I say that.

[Tommyboi95]

Has anyone had a chance to compare the Left dot to the ‘22 AVX and Bridgestone BX?

[Airjenks]

3 hours ago, Tommyboi95 said:

Has anyone had a chance to compare the Left dot to the ‘22 AVX and Bridgestone BX?

I have/had 2 dozen of the left dots and played a lot of the BX as my gamer last year and AVX in the wind. 

 

I'd say the feel is right in the middle, not hard not soft. I feel much more confident swinging aggressively in the wind with the left dot over the AVX. On a smooth swing i would say they are very comparable getting through the wind. 

 

I didnt like the newest BX... I thought that was more spinny off my driver and 3 wood than with the left dot. The older BX was more similar off the driver but not as much greenside spin as the left dot.

 

 

Overall... in the winter and cold/crappy conditions i think the AVX is going to be very comparable. I live in the NW so when the greens are soft, spin isnt as much of a factor. In the summer time and hard ground conditions you definitely need the left dots spin... or at least i do. My SS is around 105-110 and i feel like when im swinging good in warm weather the AVX knuckles a little too much for me.

 

Compared to the BX...  the left dot has less spin off the long clubs but more on the short shots. It's also a touch softer. Very similar to prov1 to me. 

 

The closest comparable ball for me is the Chrome soft X LS newest version, which is my gamer (last year it was the previous version of BX). But if left dot was more available that would be my gamer for sure.

[Tommyboi95]

49 minutes ago, Airjenks said:

I have/had 2 dozen of the left dots and played a lot of the BX as my gamer last year and AVX in the wind. 

 

I'd say the feel is right in the middle, not hard not soft. I feel much more confident swinging aggressively in the wind with the left dot over the AVX. On a smooth swing i would say they are very comparable getting through the wind. 

 

I didnt like the newest BX... I thought that was more spinny off my driver and 3 wood than with the left dot. The older BX was more similar off the driver but not as much greenside spin as the left dot.

 

 

Overall... in the winter and cold/crappy conditions i think the AVX is going to be very comparable. I live in the NW so when the greens are soft, spin isnt as much of a factor. In the summer time and hard ground conditions you definitely need the left dots spin... or at least i do. My SS is around 105-110 and i feel like when im swinging good in warm weather the AVX knuckles a little too much for me.

 

Compared to the BX...  the left dot has less spin off the long clubs but more on the short shots. It's also a touch softer. Very similar to prov1 to me. 

 

The closest comparable ball for me is the Chrome soft X LS newest version, which is my gamer (last year it was the previous version of BX). But if left dot was more available that would be my gamer for sure.

So the left dot are NOT coming to retail right?

[Airjenks]

On 1/15/2023 at 1:55 PM, Tommyboi95 said:

So the left dot are NOT coming to retail right?

As far as I know there are no plans on Titleist selling it. 

[dwboston]

In reading the launch materials for the new Pro V1, it sounds like they incorporated some of the Left Dot characteristics (high gradient core) into the Pro V1.  Supposedly retains the long game characteristics of the Left Dot with more spin and control around the green.  Titleist say they have several Tour pros who play the Left Dot in the Pro V1 now.

[StillNoAce]

If Tony Finau switches from left dot into new Prov1 that would say a lot. He's been in left dot for years.