Letting a group play through

[RollingRocks]

On 6/3/2022 at 9:12 AM, SNIPERBBB said:

That statement is irrelevant to letting a group play through. It doesn't matter how fast YOU ARE. Its how fast THEY ARE, and if there is open course in front of you.  You could be playing at a 2hr pace for 18 which is blazing speed but if the group behind you is at 1.5hr pace, you have to let them go if there's room in front. 

Amen, brother. This reminds me of the "left lane Louie's" cruising in the passing lane that won't move over for faster traffic. I just don't understand why it's so hard to let faster players, or traffic on highways, go by you.

[Carl Spackler3]

On 6/2/2022 at 8:51 PM, Augster said:

Wow. 
 

Let them through. It’s that simple. You’re a 4, they are 2 in one cart. They’d be through in 2 minutes or

less. 
 

Here is how playing through works. 
 

If they are putting out on the previous green and your group has hit your tee shots, hang back, offer them to play through. Then they hit their tee balls and ALL of you head out and play as a 6-some (in this case). If everyone finds their ball at the same time, all 6, again, hit their approach shots to the green. Then let the other group putt out first and they are gone. 
 

In the middle of a hole, when your group is looking for a ball, you turn and face the tee box, raise your arm up high, then wave for them to hit up. If they decide to hit up, stand to the side. After they hit, your group hits their approach shots and then waits for the other group to hit theirs. Then you all go to the green. They putt out first, and are gone. 
 

We had a single on foot play through our foursome one time. I timed exactly how much “extra” we had to wait for him. It was 35 seconds. Mostly while he putted. 
 

I still have no idea why you didn’t let them swap tee times with you on the first tee. Seems pretty obvious that a 2-some in a cart is going to have to play through a group of 4 geezers at some point. 

 

My dad taught me this rhythm 40 yrs ago and it works perfectly. I never understood the difficulty in it.Another note. Playing through: don’t rush like a lunatic , play through quickly but in your rhythm ,BUT  as soon as you finish the hole get moving and off  the next tee so the group is really completely justified feeling for letting you play through 

[Imp]

12 hours ago, Carl Spackler3 said:

My dad taught me this rhythm 40 yrs ago and it works perfectly. I never understood the difficulty in it.Another note. Playing through: don’t rush like a lunatic , play through quickly but in your rhythm ,BUT  as soon as you finish the hole get moving and off  the next tee so the group is really completely justified feeling for letting you play through 

.... and say thanks, or maybe an arm wave as you walk off. 😉

One time, I just left my new Prov V1 in the cup as a present. 🙂

Edited June 16, 2022 by Imp

[acegolfer]

I have been playing golf for 30+ yrs. I noticed that less ppl these days let faster player play through. Seems like they think it's a race to finish 18. 

[Imp]

1 hour ago, acegolfer said:

I have been playing golf for 30+ yrs. I noticed that less ppl these days let faster player play through. Seems like they think it's a race to finish 18. 

Have you noticed that courses usually have a full tee sheet now? The only race there is, is to keep up with the group in front. And if everyone does that, there's no where for the "faster" player to go. 

[acegolfer]

7 minutes ago, Imp said:

Have you noticed that courses usually have a full tee sheet now? The only race there is, is to keep up with the group in front. And if everyone does that, there's no where for the "faster" player to go. 

 

The other day, the 4-some in front of me didn't let me play through even though they were 2 holes behind. I just decided to play a few balls while waiting behind them the whole round. 

[Pepperturbo]

When to let people play though?  When there's room in front of my group and the group up-front, and they have the skill to keep moving at a faster pace.  If all they can do is tee off then wait in the fairway, I am not letting anyone though.

 

One thing that annoys me is when we're courteous and let a two-some play though, then they lack golf skills to maintain their faster POP.  Just because they are a two-some doesn't mean they should be allowed to play though, then slow us down.

Edited June 30, 2022 by Pepperturbo

[Warrior42111]

1 minute ago, acegolfer said:

 

The other day, the 4-some in front of me didn't let me play through even though they were 2 holes behind. I just decided to play a few balls while waiting behind them the whole round. 

That I agree with, when there's room

 

I was taught you let someone through when there's room. A single trying to plow through stacked foursomes is just going to cause a chain reaction of delays

[acegolfer]

20 minutes ago, Warrior42111 said:

That I agree with, when there's room

 

I was taught you let someone through when there's room. A single trying to plow through stacked foursomes is just going to cause a chain reaction of delays

 

That's how I was taught too in the old days. But seems not everybody today knows this.  

[Purple Toupee]

1 hour ago, acegolfer said:

 

That's how I was taught too in the old days. But seems not everybody today knows this.  

Not everyone knew it back in the “old days” either.

[Imp]

18 hours ago, Pepperturbo said:

When to let people play though?  When there's room in front of my group and the group up-front, and they have the skill to keep moving at a faster pace.  If all they can do is tee off then wait in the fairway, I am not letting anyone though.

 

One thing that annoys me is when we're courteous and let a two-some play though, then they lack golf skills to maintain their faster POP.  Just because they are a two-some doesn't mean they should be allowed to play though, then slow us down.

Novel thought... they should then let you play through. It goes to the faster group, not the number. 

 

Last night, playing the back 9 of our club, me and my buddy caught up to the 4some in front of us (all mutual friends) on 14. There was no one behind us this late in the afternoon that we had seen. We finished as 6. As we were teeing off on 15, we saw a single cross the path going to 11. He caught up to us on 16, but never really pressured us to let him through as we were teeing off on 16, he hung back on 15. As we were on the fairway of a long par 5 17th, he was teeing off. He "caught up" (got on the green) on 17 as we finished teeing off on 18. Should we have let him through just for the 18th hole? We still played the back in under 2 hours. 

[Pepperturbo]

5 hours ago, Imp said:

Novel thought... they should then let you play through. It goes to the faster group, not the number. 

 

Last night, playing the back 9 of our club, me and my buddy caught up to the 4some in front of us (all mutual friends) on 14. There was no one behind us this late in the afternoon that we had seen. We finished as 6. As we were teeing off on 15, we saw a single cross the path going to 11. He caught up to us on 16, but never really pressured us to let him through as we were teeing off on 16, he hung back on 15. As we were on the fairway of a long par 5 17th, he was teeing off. He "caught up" (got on the green) on 17 as we finished teeing off on 18. Should we have let him through just for the 18th hole? We still played the back in under 2 hours. 

I am not the God of POP etiquette.  But playing though is about tee groups in front.  Who's playing faster and reasonably accurate, and is there room for the faster person or group to play though and not hold up those golfers being passed.

 

Having been in pvt club leadership and dealt with the topic club wide.  If he's faster than you two, and nobody is in front of you to slow him, why not. 

Edited July 1, 2022 by Pepperturbo

[Mr. Bean]

On 6/30/2022 at 9:07 PM, acegolfer said:

 

That's how I was taught too in the old days. But seems not everybody today knows this.  

 

In the old days a single had no rights on the course as a single was not considered a group. That changed some years back.

[pingfool]

12 hours ago, Imp said:

Novel thought... they should then let you play through. It goes to the faster group, not the number. 

 

Last night, playing the back 9 of our club, me and my buddy caught up to the 4some in front of us (all mutual friends) on 14. There was no one behind us this late in the afternoon that we had seen. We finished as 6. As we were teeing off on 15, we saw a single cross the path going to 11. He caught up to us on 16, but never really pressured us to let him through as we were teeing off on 16, he hung back on 15. As we were on the fairway of a long par 5 17th, he was teeing off. He "caught up" (got on the green) on 17 as we finished teeing off on 18. Should we have let him through just for the 18th hole? We still played the back in under 2 hours. 

playing 6 and you have to ask if you should let a single through?

sounds like 15-16-17 all were options 

[Imp]

1 hour ago, pingfool said:

playing 6 and you have to ask if you should let a single through?

sounds like 15-16-17 all were options 

FYI, just to clear it up, I wanted to let him through, do the right thing. the others in the group were saying no. I took issue with it, but I wasn't going to press and make a stink. He was hanging back quite a bit on 15/16 and then on 17, like I said, we were hitting 2nd shots in fairway before he got to the tee box. Any time, he had time to finish up and press.... so I see the other guys points, not yell to "hey hurry up and play through!" But still, I wouldn't have minded hanging back just for a few min. 

[MountainKing]

On 6/16/2022 at 5:49 AM, Imp said:

.... and say thanks, or maybe an arm wave as you walk off. 😉

One time, I just left my new Prov V1 in the cup as a present. 🙂

 

I love this - I'm gonna buy a couple sleeves of ProV's so I can leave one for each guy in the group when this happens.  Sadly people really need to be thanked more than ever for doing things everybody should be doing....

[Mr. Bean]

17 hours ago, Imp said:

FYI, just to clear it up, I wanted to let him through, do the right thing. the others in the group were saying no. I took issue with it, but I wasn't going to press and make a stink. He was hanging back quite a bit on 15/16 and then on 17, like I said, we were hitting 2nd shots in fairway before he got to the tee box. Any time, he had time to finish up and press.... so I see the other guys points, not yell to "hey hurry up and play through!" But still, I wouldn't have minded hanging back just for a few min. 

 

Those other guys had no clue how to behave. What a bunch of j**ks!

[Chunkitgood]

I believe it is rude and wrong to in essence demand to be let through by being annoying.  It’s also good mental practice to have a couple of noisy jerks playing behind you.

[chisag]

... What an interesting topic. Once you clear away the trappings of most things in life it usually boils down to: are you a considerate person or an inconsiderate person? Pretty well covered if the course is full, nobody plays through unless you are consistently behind, not just one hole where someone blows up. 

... I would always let a 2 some play through if the hole is open in front of us. The logic of they might be jerks makes no sense as it that is the case, the last thing I want is jerks right behind me the whole round. 

... And finally we have no idea what is going on with others. Perhaps the phone call was an emergency, a child needing parental help or a spouse with an important question. I was cured of being judgmental about 20 years ago when I had just not been able to find handicap parking for my Mom after knee surgery and finally had someone jog up to their car with a handicap plate, jump in and drive off. The very next day I am at a Target and two young girls pul into the handicap spot, laughing and hugging and skipping toward the front door and I just stood their "eye balling" them, pi$$ed they were taking up a much needed spot. One of them saw me and they both stopped, then just went off "What the f**k are you looking at? You don't know me you piece of sh!t! Go F**K yourself!!!" I almost confronted them about my Mom when they went inside and rolled out their paraplegic brother in a wheel chair and as they passed me they gave me the finger ... which I certainly deserved. I was about to follow them and explain but figured they had their hands full and I learned a very valuable lesson. Never assume I know what someone else is going through. 

[MountainKing]

Did the OP bail on this thread like he bailed on his round of golf? Looks like baililng is a theme in his life....

[chippa13]

On 6/2/2022 at 3:25 PM, Jvoom30 said:

Got into an argument the other day with a buddy about when to let a group pass. It ended with him and I both leaving the course early. I still feel confident in my position but was looking here and could not find a post. When is the best time to let a group play through.

 

Full context:

 

We are a 4some, course is not really busy at all. We are teeing off and as we are teeing off a twosome pulls up right behind our carts. This is typically a big no no as most courses have an on deck spot. While we are still teeing off one of the twosome members phone starts ringing and he answers it. Nothing else happens and we play the hole. On the second hole some in my group are saying we should let them through. I say let's keep playing as we were playing fast as a 4 and they had already had me heated. 

 

Third hole same debate, we keep playing we tee off on next hole which is a par 5 which is followed by a short par 4. I say let's keep playing as the twosome is still on the last hole on the green instead of just waiting on the tee box for them to finish the hole and arrive. We had to do some looking for a tee shot and the person had to drop and is like lets wave the 2 through, and I am like no why would you wave a group through in the middle of a hole. He then felt rushed on his next couple of shots which did not go well. 

 

I can't help his feeling rushed as I tell him all the time to take his time and not rush. That's a different problem altogether. 

 

My feeling is if it was me I wouldn't want a group to wave me through in the middle of a hole and much rather on a start of a hole and I knew the next hole was a shorty.

 

They felt differently.

 

So when do you let a group through; during a hole or at a start of one, and should I have even let them through after their poor form on the first tee. I had felt if you let them through in the middle of a hole it is the same feeling of rushed and not really knowing what was behind them. 

 

I of course would just let my buddy win next time as they are the type of player that can feel pressure in these type of situations. But as I said the 2some put be in a bad place right off the bat and I was not in the mood to be so kind to them especially when we were on pace or faster. 

Not much annoys me more than when a group holding me up rushes from green to tee and hurries off the tee in order to stay ahead rather than let me through. The 2-some was still on the previous green because they had to wait for you to clear it. 

[Imp]

League last night, playing our annual Ryder Cup 18 hole tourney. 9 tee times, 4 in each spot. I was part of the 1st group off (since I would be doing the scoring as everyone came in), and following the public. By the 8th green, we see the group behind us is only on the 6th green. By the time we are on the 10th green, we see they are on the 8th green. Ugh. Some public groups jumped in the middle after us, which was fine and we let one group through thinking the group behind would catch up as the public was slowing down (and we just finished up foursomes, which allows us to really keep up). We were on the 15th tee when the group that started right behind us, was getting on 12 (and that's letting one public group of 3 through). We finished about 45 min before the 2nd group and there were about 3-4 public groups that got in the middle of us all. Not that I care, there was room. Words were said about them being so slow, and one of the people in the 2nd group was the league prez. It was ugly for all the groups stacked up behind him and his group. 

Edited July 8, 2022 by Imp

[chippa13]

That is the danger of tournaments. Some guys take way too much time over shots and reading putts from every conceivable angle because that is what they see the pros do. We need more Snedekers and less Days.

[pingfool]

27 minutes ago, Imp said:

League last night, playing our annual Ryder Cup 18 hole tourney. 9 tee times, 4 in each spot. I was part of the 1st group off (since I would be doing the scoring as everyone came in), and following the public. By the 8th green, we see the group behind us is only on the 6th green. By the time we are on the 10th green, we see they are on the 8th green. Ugh. Some public groups jumped in the middle after us, which was fine and we let one group through thinking the group behind would catch up as the public was slowing down (and we just finished up foursomes, which allows us to really keep up). We were on the 15th tee when the group that started right behind us, was getting on 12 (and that's letting one public group of 3 through). We finished about 45 min before the 2nd group and there were about 3-4 public groups that got in the middle of us all. Not that I care, there was room. Words were said about them being so slow, and one of the people in the 2nd group was the league prez. It was ugly for all the groups stacked up behind him and his group. 

next week prez goes in last group

[tatertot]

52 minutes ago, chippa13 said:

Not much annoys me more than when a group holding me up rushes from green to tee and hurries off the tee in order to stay ahead rather than let me through. The 2-some was still on the previous green because they had to wait for you to clear it. 

BUT YOU NEVER CAUGHT US!

[nsxguy]

On 7/4/2022 at 11:10 AM, MountainKing said:

Did the OP bail on this thread like he bailed on his round of golf? Looks like baililng is a theme in his life....

 

 

Well, to be fair, he hasn't signed on in a month (June 6).

[Imp]

17 hours ago, nsxguy said:

 

 

Well, to be fair, he hasn't signed on in a month (June 6).

[Pastit]

On 6/30/2022 at 6:45 PM, Pepperturbo said:

When to let people play though?  When there's room in front of my group and the group up-front, and they have the skill to keep moving at a faster pace.  If all they can do is tee off then wait in the fairway, I am not letting anyone though.

 

One thing that annoys me is when we're courteous and let a two-some play though, then they lack golf skills to maintain their faster POP.  Just because they are a two-some doesn't mean they should be allowed to play though, then slow us down.

This may not be correct though I’ve not looked at the new R & A wording. 
 

The R&A made a huge error IMO in the last but one booklet when they stated that a singleton had the status of a group - reversing the no-status position. 
 

They left it up to Clubs to rule locally on priority. 

[Wham49]

On 6/3/2022 at 8:12 AM, SNIPERBBB said:

That statement is irrelevant to letting a group play through. It doesn't matter how fast YOU ARE. Its how fast THEY ARE, and if there is open course in front of you.  You could be playing at a 2hr pace for 18 which is blazing speed but if the group behind you is at 1.5hr pace, you have to let them go if there's room in front. 

exactly, people seem to think it is not manly to let groups through. It just makes it more enjoyable for  everybody. I heard the comment last year which I think sums up the people who do not understand the letting groups through thing is, "I payed my money just like you, this is my tee time, your after me." this makes no sense. so we argued on the 10 tee box,  we waited till then becasue they were not letting or even acknowledged us behind them even though we were waiting for 10 minutes to hit on almost every shot. . I just said we are going through that's the end of the story and we went as they were yelling at us as we teed off. we went off and finished at least an hour before them.

 

some days I go through, and when I play with my dads groups we let groups through. just on Sunday I was playing with them as a 4 some, we let 3 groups go through, and finished in 3.5. yesterday I played by myself walking and went through about 6 groups and played in 2 hours. 

 

who is anybody to decide how long somebody has to take to play golf, you play as long as you want, I will do the same, if it makes sense to let somebody through. I do it

[PALS-SSA]

On 6/2/2022 at 3:25 PM, Jvoom30 said:

I say let's keep playing as we were playing fast as a 4 and they had already had me heated. 

 

They could have been out of your hair and through you right here.  But your ego wasn't going to allow it.