LIV Tour Discussion Thread (*** NO POLITICS ***)

[Rapidcat]

On 6/11/2023 at 4:11 AM, CaymanS said:

I'm hearing conflicting views on whether LIV will continue to exist and hold tournaments.  What are you guys thinking?  Do you want LIV to continue?

Yes, hell yes.

 

It's a fun watch and far superior coverage with virtually no filler.

 

Go Ripper GC.

[dcleftie]

Have LIV golfers over-estimated their own value? Let's face it most of them knew their careers would probably never reach great heights again in the real competitive world game. Only 10 LIV golfers made the cut at The Open. Their arguably best player, Dustin Johnson doesn't seem to have much desire or fight left in him, shootting 81 in relatively easy conditions. Garcia, Poulter and Westwood couldn't muster the effort to play.

Why Cam Smith and Koepka went I'll never know but they are likely the only two that would be missed by the PGA Tour and frankly - two players? I think they could have managed and I don't know why they caved in.

[BNGL]

13 hours ago, dcleftie said:

Have LIV golfers over-estimated their own value? Let's face it most of them knew their careers would probably never reach great heights again in the real competitive world game. Only 10 LIV golfers made the cut at The Open. Their arguably best player, Dustin Johnson doesn't seem to have much desire or fight left in him, shootting 81 in relatively easy conditions. Garcia, Poulter and Westwood couldn't muster the effort to play.

Why Cam Smith and Koepka went I'll never know but they are likely the only two that would be missed by the PGA Tour and frankly - two players? I think they could have managed and I don't know why they caved in.

I think 16 LIV played, 6 missed the cut. So of 156 total, then cut to 70 (ties? Not sure if that includes ties) so that means 86 are sent packing. So I know not all of those 80 (subtracting 6 for the LIV players) are full fledged PGA/Euro Tour (sure some are qualifiers and US or British amateur champions) but it ends up being about equal the percentages (10/16 62 percent for LIV, 60/80 75 percent for everyone else). But good point though…

[pingbling23]

On 7/23/2023 at 7:28 AM, dcleftie said:

Have LIV golfers over-estimated their own value? Let's face it most of them knew their careers would probably never reach great heights again in the real competitive world game. Only 10 LIV golfers made the cut at The Open. Their arguably best player, Dustin Johnson doesn't seem to have much desire or fight left in him, shootting 81 in relatively easy conditions. Garcia, Poulter and Westwood couldn't muster the effort to play.

Why Cam Smith and Koepka went I'll never know but they are likely the only two that would be missed by the PGA Tour and frankly - two players? I think they could have managed and I don't know why they caved in.

while the liv golfers didnt have strong open, this year they accounted for 1 win, 2 runner up's, 5 top 5's, and 8 top 10's in the majors.  thats pretty good.

[smashdn]

Not sure I would say DJ is the best player firstly.  Cam Smith and Koepka I would put right up there.  Talor Gooch has played the LIV event extremely well.

 

If we are in the mood for comparison, the PGAT bell cows didn't exactly light the world on fire.

 

Where the US Open generally identifies the best golfer, The Open generally identifies the golfer that best navigates the unique (to PGAT venues) course and weather (if/when it shows up).

[Rob G 89]

I don’t know about liv crushers hats been sold out for nearly 2 months same with 4 aces. 

[TiScape]

5 hours ago, Rob G 89 said:

I don’t know about liv crushers hats been sold out for nearly 2 months same with 4 aces. 

They stopped manufacturing them after LIV served its purpose and the merger was announced. 

[Pastit]

Shocked to see on our local TV station that ten LIV players are competing in an Asian Tour event only 30 mins from me. It’s c £15 per day ticket. Mr Reed is here so I thought I ought to go along for a rules lesson. But I’d rather go fishing. 
 

Venue is the course that is owned by Westwood’s girlfriend’s in laws.  The British Masters was held there not too long ago. It’s too hilly for me. 

[subrew]

2 hours ago, Pastit said:

Shocked to see on our local TV station that ten LIV players are competing in an Asian Tour event only 30 mins from me. It’s c £15 per day ticket. Mr Reed is here so I thought I ought to go along for a rules lesson. But I’d rather go fishing. 
 

Venue is the course that is owned by Westwood’s girlfriend’s in laws.  The British Masters was held there not too long ago. It’s too hilly for me. 

 

It's part of the International Series, which is kinda the LIV feeder series.  They tend to have events around the world, sometimes in conjunction with the main LIV events.  IIRC, they are also playing the following week at St. Andrews Torrance Course, so this is a two-week stretch.  

 

FYI, the winner of the year-end Order of Merit for the International series gets a full season on LIV.  Scott Vincent won it last year, so he has been playing all the LIV events this year.  

[Pastit]

3 hours ago, subrew said:

 

It's part of the International Series, which is kinda the LIV feeder series.  They tend to have events around the world, sometimes in conjunction with the main LIV events.  IIRC, they are also playing the following week at St. Andrews Torrance Course, so this is a two-week stretch.  

 

FYI, the winner of the year-end Order of Merit for the International series gets a full season on LIV.  Scott Vincent won it last year, so he has been playing all the LIV events this year.  

Thanks kindly. I can’t get excited about any event involving Westwood. He’d plenty of chances to play up here prior to carving slices off some local biscuit but declined. The fish are running so I’ll try the river  instead. 

[Pastit]

Well, how about this: 

 

Poulter’s and Westwood’s sons are playing in the LIV associated event at Close House scoring 2 and 5 over their parents respectively in R1. Conditions typical of northern U.K., gloomy with drizzle bit of wind. 

[jaffabell]

On 8/16/2023 at 1:38 PM, Pastit said:

Shocked to see on our local TV station that ten LIV players are competing in an Asian Tour event only 30 mins from me. It’s c £15 per day ticket. Mr Reed is here so I thought I ought to go along for a rules lesson. But I’d rather go fishing. 
 

Venue is the course that is owned by Westwood’s girlfriend’s in laws.  The British Masters was held there not too long ago. It’s too hilly for me. 

I was there on Thursday, I actually got one of the free tickets that were going early on! Just had to pay a fiver for the parking.

 

Followed some LIV players in the morning - Uilhein etc, nothing startling from them.

 

In the afternoon I followed Perez, Danny Lee and Sihwan Kim as crowds started to dwindle. You could literally walk anywhere, it wasnt roped off much.

 

Anyways Perez was hating every minute of being there, already had flight booked home Friday night. He played great golf in spurts but was really disinterested.

 

They were having great banter though. It got really backed up at the 8th with about 3 groups on the tee and there was loads of banter with hardly any spectators, mainly LIV players.

 

Perez was going at the international tour, saying half the players cant even afford to eat etc, calling it embarrassing. Easy to say for someone who is now rolling in dough I suppose.

 

Brendan Steele was saying that some of the LIV players have to play 2 international series events as part of their contracts, for exposure..

 

I noticed Westwood had a nightmare after a decent 1st day, looked solid when I followed him. He and Poults looked very uninterested mind, didn't smile all day!

[golfheaven69]

Ceremonial Tour with a handful of good players and the rest washed up or halfway decent. 

[smashdn]

LIV released their schedule.

 

https://www.livgolf.com/events

 

Long way away time wise but I am excited to see that they are coming to Nashville and playing the GN designed The Grove.  Will have to see what else is going on both in my life and the world of golf at that time to decide whether to go or not.  One thing I will say though, Nashville knows how to throw a party so if you care about that aspect of LIV it should be turned up a notch over most every place but Vegas.

[Creedo77]

[Rob G 89]

I’m guessing there would be sanctions for any current pga member as I don’t see anybody with any real status trying out. 

[jdl]

7 hours ago, Creedo77 said:

What's your take here?

[SnowbirdTom]

12 hours ago, Creedo77 said:

Sayonara, adios, adieu, don’t let the door hit ya…, etc. 

[Creedo77]

11 hours ago, jdl said:

What's your take here?

Coming from a very pro LIv account. Colt Knost came out yesterday and said not to draw conclusions. He spends some time with Rahm in AZ. It’s hard to say, it doesn’t look good but we’ve seen instances of rumored money and it not materializing in the end.

Edited December 1, 2023 by Creedo77

[Creedo77]

11 hours ago, Rob G 89 said:

I’m guessing there would be sanctions for any current pga member as I don’t see anybody with any real status trying out. 

Bauchou got through 2nd stage the other week of KFT so he’ll be at final stage next week. Interested to see what the tour does to him if he gets through this Q school and has status on either KFT or PGA

[woodriff]

A number of sources on Jon Rahm now. Just not too sure. Most of the sources are LIV reporters. 

[leezer99]

1 hour ago, woodriff said:

A number of sources on Jon Rahm now. Just not too sure. Most of the sources are LIV reporters. 

 

There are a lot of moving parts. Jon wants to captain / own his own team and as you know, there aren't any teams up for sale. Rumor has it that Sergio might step aside so he can take over the Firenuts. 

[Pops99]

Will kind of suck if Rahm goes to LIV as I'll only see him 4x a year now. But LIV also took Bubba, Dechambeau, HVIII, Phil, Patrick Reed, so on the whole I'd still say it's a net positive for me. 

 

Really hoping the Cleeks have a special hat that will fit Cantlay's head. 

[CDM]

1 hour ago, Pops99 said:

Will kind of suck if Rahm goes to LIV as I'll only see him 4x a year now. But LIV also took Bubba, Dechambeau, HVIII, Phil, Patrick Reed, so on the whole I'd still say it's a net positive for me. 

 

Really hoping the Cleeks have a special hat that will fit Cantlay's head. 

 

HAHAHA that made me laugh....!

[Rob G 89]

So will the Rahm announcement be Saturday or Sunday prior to the hero world challenge to upstage it?

[leezer99]

6 hours ago, Pops99 said:

Will kind of suck if Rahm goes to LIV as I'll only see him 4x a year now. But LIV also took Bubba, Dechambeau, HVIII, Phil, Patrick Reed, so on the whole I'd still say it's a net positive for me. 

 

Really hoping the Cleeks have a special hat that will fit Cantlay's head. 

 

Cantlay is on the PGA Tour policy board working towards making the PGA Tour better for everyone.

[Shilgy]

On 11/30/2023 at 2:05 PM, Creedo77 said:

Funny thing is…as I mentioned probably dozens of pages ago…these signings can work against them in their pursuit of OWGR recognition.  Phil opened his mouth a while back and proclaimed that if they make some expected(to him) moves adding players there may not be room for the players that qualify in their play-in tournament .  LOL can you define a closed shop any moe succinctly?🤩

[Foley589]

12 hours ago, woodriff said:

A number of sources on Jon Rahm now. Just not too sure. Most of the sources are LIV reporters. 

I would love to see Rahm on LIV with his own team!

[idrive]

Liv has what. four spots open? Or is it two after signing the huge needle movers McDowell and Perez for another year.

 

Rahm takes one leaving one?

 

Leaves one no-name to join which is not what liv wants as their premises is/was to take the top 50.

 

If Rahm joins there will most likely be a couple of other "names" that might jump leaving this qualifying tournament of no names nothing more than more exhibition golf in a fabulous attempt to lose even more money.

[woodriff]

19 hours ago, Rob G 89 said:

So will the Rahm announcement be Saturday or Sunday prior to the hero world challenge to upstage it?

If .. if it happens it’s next week.