RBC Heritage 2024 (*** NO LIV DISCUSSIONS ***)

[tiderider]

good grief, rory ... 

[Hawkeye77]

8 hours ago, jimecherry said:

the networks have been given permission to americanize the pronunciation by ludwig himself. i'm guessing he would rather them say "O berg" then "A berg"

If only the crew of the Titanic had been looking out for A berg instead of A bear.

Edited April 20 by Hawkeye77

[Hawkeye77]

44 minutes ago, Golfnutgalen said:

Scottie's consistency is disturbing. 

 

I'm beginning to think he may be a better iron player than TW. Maybe that's recency bias showing. 

 

 

 

 

 

Or peyote.

[Golfnutgalen]

41 minutes ago, redfirebird08 said:

Nah. Scheffler drives it straighter. Tiger played more often from the rough and trees, and still found a way to hit unbelievable iron shots and win a ton of events. The Haney years are pretty interesting when you look at his crooked driving and very strong win rate. 

 

No question he drives it straighter, but even Scottie's iron game is just ridiculous. 

 

I too find it surprising Tiger was able to win so often in the Haney era, a ludicrous 41% from 2005-2009. If you watched him back then he didn't look invincible. I remember being more than happy with watching him win 2/7 events and finishing top 5 in all the others mid 2005. But that little run has been all but forgotten in history because he went on a tear after MCing at the 2006 US Open with a winning stretch which can only be compared to Hogan and Nelson's over 50 years prior. 

 

Strokes gained stats will say Tiger was actually top 10 in driving most of those years (41st 2009) but you wouldn't think so if you watched him back then. Everything else though? Top notch. 

[redfirebird08]

5 minutes ago, Golfnutgalen said:

 

No question he drives it straighter, but even Scottie's iron game is just ridiculous. 

 

I too find it surprising Tiger was able to win so often in the Haney era, a ludicrous 41% from 2005-2009. If you watched him back then he didn't look invincible. I remember being more than happy with watching him win 2/7 events and finishing top 5 in all the others mid 2005. But that little run has been all but forgotten in history because he went on a tear after MCing at the 2006 US Open with a winning stretch which can only be compared to Hogan and Nelson's over 50 years prior. 

 

Strokes gained stats will say Tiger was actually top 10 in driving most of those years (41st 2009) but you wouldn't think so if you watched him back then. Everything else though? Top notch. 

Hell, 2018 PGA Tiger damn near beat Koepka’s A-game while Tiger was playing from the trees. Why? Because Tiger’s iron game was insanely good, even from difficult positions. Ultimately the crooked driving cost him the win, but it was a hell of a lot closer than you would expect. 

[Hawkeye77]

This should be a fun watch tomorrow.

[redfirebird08]

Just now, Hawkeye77 said:

This should be a fun watch tomorrow.

Or Scheffler will make it kinda boring. The guy is truly in The Zone right now. The other guys need to find some magic to keep pace with him and give us a close finish or Playoff. 

[jdl]

6 hours ago, peadar said:

It's not pronounced O-Ber or O-Berg... It's more like Oh-Bedy


 

 

 

 

[redfirebird08]

Åberg just not scoring anywhere near as well as he should. Poor putting and short game shots are killing him. 

[Justsomeguy]

10 minutes ago, redfirebird08 said:

Åberg just not scoring anywhere near as well as he should. Poor putting and short game shots are killing him. 

Meanwhile, Scottie w a slightly better than median putter is making it look like a video game.

[redfirebird08]

1 minute ago, Justsomeguy said:

Meanwhile, Scottie w a slightly better than median putter is making it look like a video game.

Scheffler gained at least 2 shots with the putter at the 9th hole compared to Åberg. Åberg missed a 9 foot birdie. Scheffler made a 35 foot birdie that had a ton of speed and would have ran 6+ feet past the hole.

[bajadock]

Watching the Tom Hoge "walkntalk" on 16 today and admiring the skill of the cameraman walking backwards at 3mph.  Guy had some hustle in his steps to stay ahead of Hoge and not fall.  Is that a "junior" cam position paying his dues to gain easier duty with seniority?

Edited April 20 by bajadock
punctuation!

[goalie]

I just want to point out that, while I suck at golf, my footwork is on par with the world #1.......

[goalie]

On that note, an Ortho surgeon at work that's close to scratch says that it probably relieves a lot of joint stress, which isn't bad if he can keep making such pure contact

[FootWedge16]

2 minutes ago, goalie said:

I just want to point out that, while I suck at golf, my footwork is on par with the world #1.......

[Trippels]

If Scottie had a swing as pretty as Nelly's, would the pope sanctify him?

[black bnr32]

63?

 

jesus

[golferdude54]

Tiger in 2007 averaged a combined 2.227 strokes gained off the tee and approach shots. Last season Scheffler averaged 2.226 strokes gained and this season 2.225. This stat is different from strokes gained tee to green as it omits strokes gained around the green, making it a better measure of ball striking. 

 

Tiger's 2007 season wasn't even his best ballstriking year in the Shotlink era, it's 2006 when he averaged 2.875 strokes gained, that's almost 3 whole strokes better than Scheffler throughout 4 rounds. 

 

People forget how good Tiger was and basically any current players who hit the ball amazing for a week or month, odds are Tiger did that for multiple years.

[goalie]

19 minutes ago, golferdude54 said:

Tiger in 2007 averaged a combined 2.227 strokes gained off the tee and approach shots. Last season Scheffler averaged 2.226 strokes gained and this season 2.225. This stat is different from strokes gained tee to green as it omits strokes gained around the green, making it a better measure of ball striking. 

 

Tiger's 2007 season wasn't even his best ballstriking year in the Shotlink era, it's 2006 when he averaged 2.875 strokes gained, that's almost 3 whole strokes better than Scheffler throughout 4 rounds. 

 

People forget how good Tiger was and basically any current players who hit the ball amazing for a week or month, odds are Tiger did that for multiple years.

Yeah, he was so good for so long that if you were not there watching, it's hard to really comprehend.

[Golfnutgalen]

44 minutes ago, golferdude54 said:

Tiger in 2007 averaged a combined 2.227 strokes gained off the tee and approach shots. Last season Scheffler averaged 2.226 strokes gained and this season 2.225. This stat is different from strokes gained tee to green as it omits strokes gained around the green, making it a better measure of ball striking. 

 

Tiger's 2007 season wasn't even his best ballstriking year in the Shotlink era, it's 2006 when he averaged 2.875 strokes gained, that's almost 3 whole strokes better than Scheffler throughout 4 rounds. 

 

People forget how good Tiger was and basically any current players who hit the ball amazing for a week or month, odds are Tiger did that for multiple years.

 

Those are Tiger's best years (Strokes gained era 2004 and after) when he was winning close to 50% of his events and Scottie still compares favorably, that's insane. 

 

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Going by data golf numbers Scottie's combined number is at +2.58 right now, +2.50 last year

 

Scottie's numbers are better than Woods in 2004 (1.53), 2005 (2.03), 2009 (2.05), 2012 (2.16), and 2013 (+1.85)

 

Tiger is higher in 2006 (3.10), 2007 (+2.73), and 2008 (+2.81)

 

By the way is there an official stat which combines the two categories or did you just add the two yourself? I like it more than SG tee to green as well. 

 

Edited April 20 by Golfnutgalen

[golferdude54]

26 minutes ago, Golfnutgalen said:

By the way is there an official stat which combines the two categories or did you just add the two yourself? I like it more than SG tee to green as well. 

 

 

Datagolf has it but only by individual live tournament stats to the non-subscribers; they started doing it around a year ago and gave it an unfortunate acronym, which is BS literally!

 

When I look up season SG, I just go to PGA Tour SG tee to green and find the lowest SG around the green among the top 5 and add them all up, it's sorta tedious but it doesn't take that much time. If you want 2004 to 2023 season leaders, I started a thread in the past with my own compilation here, among other ball striking stats.

 

[Golfnutgalen]

8 minutes ago, golferdude54 said:

 

Datagolf has it but only by individual live tournament stats to the non-subscribers; they started doing it around a year ago and gave it an unfortunate acronym, which is BS literally!

 

When I look up season SG, I just go to PGA Tour SG tee to green and find the lowest SG around the green among the top 5 and add them all up, it's sorta tedious but it doesn't take that much time. If you want 2004 to 2023 season leaders, I started a thread in the past with my own compilation here, among other ball striking stats.

 

 

Very cool. Thanks!

 

Rory's numbers in 2012 and 2014 are pretty outstanding as well. Makes sense why he was winning majors back then. 

 

Scottie's number stands out as expected. He is not normal. 

 

[Hawkeye77]

53 minutes ago, Golfnutgalen said:

 

Those are Tiger's best years (Strokes gained era 2004 and after) when he was winning close to 50% of his events and Scottie still compares favorably, that's insane. 

 

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Going by data golf numbers Scottie's combined number is at +2.58 right now, +2.50 last year

 

Scottie's numbers are better than Woods in 2004 (1.53), 2005 (2.03), 2009 (2.05), 2012 (2.16), and 2013 (+1.85)

 

Tiger is higher in 2006 (3.10), 2007 (+2.73), and 2008 (+2.81)

 

By the way is there an official stat which combines the two categories or did you just add the two yourself? I like it more than SG tee to green as well. 

 

 

Scheffler's iron play is great and he's on a good run - but let's not jump to even trying to suggest he's comparable to Tiger in terms of skill with irons at this point in any way more than Scottie is really good the past year vs. Tiger the best iron player ever.  Don't need all sorts of gyrations with various stats to know that. 

[golferdude54]

19 minutes ago, Golfnutgalen said:

Scottie's number stands out as expected. He is not normal. 

 

 

It's not hard to see why. Just look at his swing compared to Nicklaus in 1980, both get super wide with very late wrist hinge and upright with right forearm parallel to their spine at the top of their backswing, and their ball striking stats show that it works.

[Ferguson]

I need to stop watching Saturday rounds. 

So frustrated. 

 

 

[tiderider]

2 hours ago, goalie said:

On that note, an Ortho surgeon at work that's close to scratch says that it probably relieves a lot of joint stress, which isn't bad if he can keep making such pure contact

that's been my thinking ever since i saw his footwork ... would think it relieves some back stress and left knee stress the most ... 

[Ferguson]

4 hours ago, dashanks said:

I get you, Ferg.  So many things about Scotty to hate that it's hard to pick out just one.  Such a despicable person on so many levels!

 

You and I should have lunch.   

 

[ChrisL52188]

6 hours ago, Golfnutgalen said:

Scottie's consistency is disturbing. 

 

I'm beginning to think he may be a better iron player than TW. Maybe that's recency bias showing. 

 

 

 

 

No one is as good as Jack Nicklaus when it comes to irons. Nobody.  His shots in 1972 US Open truly speak for itself. That legendary one iron shot in the wind with a soft balata ball? Truly awesome. Jack had an average short game compared to Tiger. Just ask Lee Trevino on Jack's ability for irons.

 

No disrespect to Scottie but he nowhere near Jack Nicklaus when it comes to irons but then again nobody else was...

Edited April 21 by ChrisL52188

[iBanesto]

Life is good.

 

[bekgolf]

55 minutes ago, ChrisL52188 said:

No one is as good as Jack Nicklaus when it comes to irons. Nobody.  His shots in 1972 US Open truly speak for itself. That legendary one iron shot in the wind with a soft balata ball? Truly awesome. Jack had an average short game compared to Tiger. Just ask Lee Trevino on Jack's ability for irons.

 

No disrespect to Scottie but he nowhere near Jack Nicklaus when it comes to irons but then again nobody else was...

 

I wasn't aware of JN being in the field.  Weird.