Tour Kris Kim - WITB - 2024 CJ Cup Byron Nelson

[GolfWRX_Spotted]

[Yieeman]

Are there any tour guys NOT playing the “dot” version of the core Qi10?

[Valtiel]

The top of that bag is so aggressive that the 3w grip just couldn’t hang. 

Edited May 1 by Valtiel

[CKaneb]

14 hours ago, Yieeman said:

Are there any tour guys NOT playing the “dot” version of the core Qi10?

The Dot Version of the Qi10 is a Qi10 Core with enough Hot Melt towards the front of the head that gives it the identical CG of the Qi10 LS but with the same "forgiveness" profile as a Qi10 core. Seems like everyone hates the LS because the actual RPM difference between the two models isn't significant enough to warrant playing the less forgiving head but guys seem to like the launch characteristics of the LS better

 

This is straight from a TM Tour Rep btw

Edited April 30 by CKaneb

[Ben Berube]

On 4/30/2024 at 11:55 AM, CKaneb said:

The Dot Version of the Qi10 is a Qi10 Core with enough Hot Melt towards the front of the head that gives it the identical CG of the Qi10 LS but with the same "forgiveness" profile as a Qi10 core. Seems like everyone hates the LS because the actual RPM difference between the two models isn't significant enough to warrant playing the less forgiving head but guys seem to like the launch characteristics of the LS better

 

This is straight from a TM Tour Rep btw

awesome info!

[ac6]

On 4/29/2024 at 11:43 PM, Valtiel said:

The top of that bag is so aggressive that the 3w just couldn’t hang. 

I didn't know who this guy was and just found out he's 16. Good lord

[Valtiel]

On 4/30/2024 at 8:55 AM, CKaneb said:

The Dot Version of the Qi10 is a Qi10 Core with enough Hot Melt towards the front of the head that gives it the identical CG of the Qi10 LS but with the same "forgiveness" profile as a Qi10 core. Seems like everyone hates the LS because the actual RPM difference between the two models isn't significant enough to warrant playing the less forgiving head but guys seem to like the launch characteristics of the LS better

 

This is straight from a TM Tour Rep btw

 

5 hours ago, Ben Berube said:

awesome info!

Minor correction, you can't have identical CG with the same "forgiveness profile"  because where the CG is determines said forgiveness. If the CG was the same, the MOI/forgiveness would be too. The Dot head is just a tweener that sits between the Core and LS heads.

Apparently Scheffler was the catalyst for this version based on that recent article that came out, and if you look back at his TM drivers he was doing this with the previous "LS" models in reverse. His original Stealth driver had a lighter front weight and a heavier back weight, and the Stealth2+ basically sat much closer to that spot out of the box, hence getting very comfortable with it and taking longer to shift away. The Qi10 LS then went a little more extreme like the original Stealth with tons of weight forward, but for whatever reason they didn't go with the same formula again, maybe because that front weight on the LS didn't have lighter versions yet available, or maybe some other reason. Regardless, the Dot head was born as a slightly lower spinning Core model to fill the rather large gap between the LS and Core in terms of CG.

[Ty_Webb]

48 minutes ago, ac6 said:

I didn't know who this guy was and just found out he's 16. Good lord

 

Yep - he plays out of my club back home and goes to my old school. He's quite good. Beat Miles Russell in the junior Ryder Cup last year I believe. His dad's a pro and his mum was on the LPGA Tour for a while I think. I'm intrigued to see how he gets on.

[jt2gt]

How do we post this bag and not tell us this is a 16 yr old and how he is in this tourney. 🤪

[third-times-a-charm]

4 hours ago, Valtiel said:

 

Minor correction, you can't have identical CG with the same "forgiveness profile"  because where the CG is determines said forgiveness. If the CG was the same, the MOI/forgiveness would be too. The Dot head is just a tweener that sits between the Core and LS heads.

Apparently Scheffler was the catalyst for this version based on that recent article that came out, and if you look back at his TM drivers he was doing this with the previous "LS" models in reverse. His original Stealth driver had a lighter front weight and a heavier back weight, and the Stealth2+ basically sat much closer to that spot out of the box, hence getting very comfortable with it and taking longer to shift away. The Qi10 LS then went a little more extreme like the original Stealth with tons of weight forward, but for whatever reason they didn't go with the same formula again, maybe because that front weight on the LS didn't have lighter versions yet available, or maybe some other reason. Regardless, the Dot head was born as a slightly lower spinning Core model to fill the rather large gap between the LS and Core in terms of CG.

Hence why Callaway has had this type of tour-only model (Paradym Tour, TD max, ST TD, ST Max LS +, etc). I dont know why its such a "secret" that tour guys want the forgiveness (spin retention and MOI to an extent), too.

Edited May 2 by third-times-a-charm

[Yieeman]

36 minutes ago, third-times-a-charm said:

Hence why Callaway has had this type of tour-only model (Paradym Tour, TD max, ST TD, ST Max LS +, etc). I dont know why its such a "secret" that tour guys want the forgiveness (spin retention and MOI to an extent), too.

I don’t think it’s a secret, but whereas you see all those models in play of Callaway bags - I think I’ve ONLY seen the dot/version 2 of the Qi10 core driver and a handful of LS heads.  

[TiScape]

I Googled Kris Kim and this came up

Edited May 3 by TiScape

[CKaneb]

On 5/1/2024 at 5:57 PM, jt2gt said:

How do we post this bag and not tell us this is a 16 yr old and how he is in this tourney. 🤪

He won British Boys last year and I assume he has some Korean heritage because shortly after he got sponsored by CJ (CJ Logistics, Bibigo, etc.) which is why he is in the field

[hsup11]

He shot 3 under today for those wondering. Just incredible 

[Ben Berube]

On 5/1/2024 at 5:49 PM, Valtiel said:

 

Minor correction, you can't have identical CG with the same "forgiveness profile"  because where the CG is determines said forgiveness. If the CG was the same, the MOI/forgiveness would be too. The Dot head is just a tweener that sits between the Core and LS heads.

Apparently Scheffler was the catalyst for this version based on that recent article that came out, and if you look back at his TM drivers he was doing this with the previous "LS" models in reverse. His original Stealth driver had a lighter front weight and a heavier back weight, and the Stealth2+ basically sat much closer to that spot out of the box, hence getting very comfortable with it and taking longer to shift away. The Qi10 LS then went a little more extreme like the original Stealth with tons of weight forward, but for whatever reason they didn't go with the same formula again, maybe because that front weight on the LS didn't have lighter versions yet available, or maybe some other reason. Regardless, the Dot head was born as a slightly lower spinning Core model to fill the rather large gap between the LS and Core in terms of CG.

Dang. Seems like the new Qi has that tendency to go left on the guys.

I will say the Stealth sits a little upright.

But also talking retail vs TI

[easylittle5wood]

Anyone ever seen a P770 2-iron before?

[corky]

He made the cut! Spieth didn’t…….

 

he must be on cloud 9…….  In for the weekend, what a great performance.
 

 

[scottyc15]

17 hours ago, easylittle5wood said:

Anyone ever seen a P770 2-iron before?

https://www.taylormadegolf.com/2020-P770-2-Iron/DW-TC543.html?lang=en_US

[Ty_Webb]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C6jLftkOgZU/?igsh=MTczYmlmbnprd3cweQ%3D%3D

[TiScape]

Just showed a lil feature of him during the CJ coverage. SIK putter HC in the bag???

 

*guessing footage prior to TM signing. 

Edited May 4 by TiScape

[phizzy30]

On 5/1/2024 at 2:06 PM, ac6 said:

I didn't know who this guy was and just found out he's 16. Good lord

Yeah, and plays stout low/low shafts and Modus 120TX.  Better genetics, nutrition and workout routines.  There's something the water these days, lol. 

[easylittle5wood]

14 hours ago, scottyc15 said:

https://www.taylormadegolf.com/2020-P770-2-Iron/DW-TC543.html?lang=en_US

Thank you. Was this in the Vault or something? Never saw this. 

[scottyc15]

6 hours ago, easylittle5wood said:

Thank you. Was this in the Vault or something? Never saw this. 

 

I think so - or at least it was a limited type offering. It was around the time TW threw one in the bag.

[pdaero]

On 5/4/2024 at 2:50 AM, corky said:

He made the cut! Spieth didn’t…….

 

he must be on cloud 9…….  In for the weekend, what a great performance.
 

 

Jordan was completely lost with an iron or wedge in his hand.. hit great tee shots and pretty good putts, but I've never seen him 40+ feet from the hole after a wedge, from the fairway, multiple times. It was shocking. 

[pdaero]

On 5/4/2024 at 10:38 AM, scottyc15 said:

https://www.taylormadegolf.com/2020-P770-2-Iron/DW-TC543.html?lang=en_US

I've played with a guy who had one with a Hzrdus 105 6.5, and no joke hit it 285. It was stupid. Skinny, lanky, like the righty version of Akshay Bhatia.

[MrCook]

On 5/4/2024 at 10:01 PM, phizzy30 said:

Yeah, and plays stout low/low shafts and Modus 120TX.  Better genetics, nutrition and workout routines.  There's something the water these days, lol. 

 

I mean, in a time where even 40 year olds are ripped and healthy on average (common sight in big european cities), it's kind of expected for a testosterone loaded teenager to be some kind of super solider.