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Single HCP - improve mental Game for low Single hcp

Lip1337Lip1337 Advanced Members Posts: 453
edited March 11 in Instruction & Academy
Hello,



I broke into Single HCP in my third year and right now i am at 9.



Whats the Secret for going low? Play even par rounds or even better. (beside Technique and Lessons)



Is it just enjoiing the Sport we all Love and not beeing in the Office and don’t care about mistakes that Happen oncourse....



The last Point is pretty Hard for me, because i am ambitious and Love to compete. I try my best to forget about mistakes oncourse as fast as I can.



To be focused during the pre shot routine and the actual shot should be the most important part... and them execute



What are your experiences and tipps...
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  • BB28403BB28403 Advanced Members Posts: 2,723 ✭✭
    I have heard a lot of people say your short game should be perfect before you think of anything else.
  • SNIPERBBBSNIPERBBB Hit Ball Hard Advanced Members Posts: 2,006 ✭✭
    Big thing for me is if you are in trouble, DO NOT BRING DOUBLE BOGEY INTO PLAY. Double is a round wrecker and unless your good enough on the par 5s and short, short par 4's to birdie, its hard to make it up.



    Similarly dont let par go. A hard earned, grind-it-out par can do more for your confidence during the round than an easy birdie.
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  • OTTOTT Advanced Members Posts: 186
    Spend 80% of your practice from 120yrds and in and love your putter.

    Get as good as you can from 10ft in on the greens.

    That's providing your swing is consistent enough to keep doubles off the card from bad tee shots.
  • PepsiDuckPepsiDuck Advanced Members Posts: 1,838 ✭✭
    I’ve heard the best way is to improve your golf swing. I don’t believe mental game will take you from high single to low single digits...
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  • Go_TimeGo_Time _ Advanced Members Posts: 2,238
    don't worry yourself with making birdies, focus on eliminating double and minimizing bogeys. Birdies are just gravy.
  • lookylookitzadamlookylookitzadam Advanced Members Posts: 364 ✭✭
    Don't focus on trying to shoot a low score. Go out and have fun. Try and hit the best shot possible and don't take hero shots.
  • BB28403BB28403 Advanced Members Posts: 2,723 ✭✭
    edited March 11
    Just wanted to add confidence is key. I mean 100%. One day after a lesson my coach gave me THE best motivational talk. I’m guessing cuz it was really hot and he was sitting in a golf cart , lol!

    He told me that my swing looked awesome and to go play.

    I go play and have the best round ever.

    Motivation is a **** of a thing.



    Also I remember the round and my swing was pretty rough, I bagged driver and used only hybrids and irons . Still best ever due to wedges. Lots of birds pars and GIRs
  • Nard_SNard_S Advanced Members Posts: 3,013 ✭✭
    Low lying fruit is short game, so 100 feet then 120 yards to scratch level. Go heavy on driver plus emphasis of rhythm & tempo for every shot and club. Do not wait too long on full swing lessons, if you're 3 years in, swing is still malleable, after 5 or more sclerosis of faults starts setting in.
  • davep043davep043 Advanced Members Posts: 2,958 ✭✭
    Lip1337 wrote:


    Hello,



    I broke into Single HCP in my third year and right now i am at 9.



    Whats the Secret for going low? Play even par rounds or even better. (beside Technique and Lessons)



    Is it just enjoiing the Sport we all Love and not beeing in the Office and don't care about mistakes that Happen oncourse....



    The last Point is pretty Hard for me, because i am ambitious and Love to compete. I try my best to forget about mistakes oncourse as fast as I can.



    To be focused during the pre shot routine and the actual shot should be the most important part... and them execute



    What are your experiences and tipps...


    You're kind of limited if you exclude actual improvement. Then it becomes confidence, but its hard to have confidence if your swing produces erratic results. Kind of a chicken-or-egg situation. The other factor is decision making. Pay attention, learn and understand your shot patterns. Once you've done that, play shots that give you acceptable results 70% of the time. That means do NOT chase flags on the edge of the green, unless you're in wedge range. Don't take on risky carries. Aim towards the side of a fairway AWAY from OB or water. There are systems you can read about, one is presented in a book called Lowest Score Wins, and I know there are others.



    But really, the best way to shoot lower scores is to improve your skills.
  • msgmsg Advanced Members Posts: 305 ✭✭
    edited March 12
    I have dipped into the single digits three years ago. I think what changed my game was two things, my driving and my short game. My driver before was erratic but when I embraced the fade, everything became predictable. My short game, I practiced chipping and putting a lot. I have become confident with 100 yards below and lag putting is one of my favorite things, wherein before I hated it.



    Like you, I want to improve more. And one of the things that I have noticed when I got the chance to play with very low single handicap players is that their routine never changes, regardless of what happens. They stick to their psr, they do not rush or become overly cautious. You can see in their faces the commitment to the shot and the concentration. And after they hit, they are back to normal. I guess in this way, their body and mind become more familiar with what will happen since it's the same every time before they execute their shots. Their swing tempo, it is always the same.



    I guess by doing this over and over again, they seem to grind unknowingly? They just stick to what they do and execute and hope for the best. If it does not work out, then repeat the process until they get it on the course. Unlike myself, I get discouraged by bad shots, I give up when I get a double bogey. I am mentally weak until a buddy of mine told me to copy what those good players do.



    I think if I am able to do that, I will get a little bit better. I mean I can get lessons and practice a ton but I don't have the money and I don't have the time to do that. Plus the guys that I played with, they have very unique swings, not textbook but functional, so that gave me hope that I can be as consistent as they are if I apply those mental thoughts.



    Last year before the end of our season, I tried my best to apply these mental thoughts. And it seems it worked because I shot in the high 70's at the easier courses we play and low 80's in three of the last courses we played that were difficult for my standards. I was able to enjoy the round more because I knew within myself that I have tried my best and never did I give up once while playing.
  • crapulacrapula Golf! Advanced Members Posts: 1,743 ✭✭
    Competition. Start playing against and with people better than you.



    Figure out how to play depending on format.
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  • Krt22Krt22 Advanced Members Posts: 6,035 ✭✭
    PepsiDuck wrote:


    I've heard the best way is to improve your golf swing. I don't believe mental game will take you from high single to low single digits...




    Agreed. The stats don't lie.



    http://www.thegrint.com/range/2013/03/golf-tips-gir/



    Im not sure how to mentally improve such that you consistently hit 2-3 more GIRs per round.
  • Nard_SNard_S Advanced Members Posts: 3,013 ✭✭
    Krt22 wrote:

    PepsiDuck wrote:


    I've heard the best way is to improve your golf swing. I don't believe mental game will take you from high single to low single digits...




    Agreed. The stats don't lie.



    http://www.thegrint..../golf-tips-gir/



    Im not sure how to mentally improve such that you consistently hit 2-3 more GIRs per round.




    What's real deceptive on that stat is that FIR and good positioning matters a bunch. Tee game prowess goes hand in hand with it.
  • SNIPERBBBSNIPERBBB Hit Ball Hard Advanced Members Posts: 2,006 ✭✭
    Krt22 wrote:

    PepsiDuck wrote:


    I've heard the best way is to improve your golf swing. I don't believe mental game will take you from high single to low single digits...




    Agreed. The stats don't lie.



    http://www.thegrint.com/range/2013/03/golf-tips-gir/



    Im not sure how to mentally improve such that you consistently hit 2-3 more GIRs per round.




    That's not really hard...some guys aim for the shot they hope to hit more than shot they hit 90+% of the time then either missing the green short and/or left or right
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  • Krt22Krt22 Advanced Members Posts: 6,035 ✭✭
    SNIPERBBB wrote:

    Krt22 wrote:

    PepsiDuck wrote:


    I've heard the best way is to improve your golf swing. I don't believe mental game will take you from high single to low single digits...




    Agreed. The stats don't lie.



    http://www.thegrint..../golf-tips-gir/



    Im not sure how to mentally improve such that you consistently hit 2-3 more GIRs per round.




    That's not really hard...some guys aim for the shot they hope to hit more than shot they hit 90+% of the time then either missing the green short and/or left or right




    I can see why this might be valid, but I would think getting to single digits in the first place generally requires the same approach of hitting the higher percentage shot. I would also agree with the above that being in better position off the tee directly impacts your likely hood of hitting the green. The reality is the biggest difference between index levels is ball striking ability. Everything about the game gets easier when you hit the ball better. Mental mistakes might be 1-2 strokes a round but if you want to drop 5+ strokes I'd imagine you need to strike the ball better/more consistently
  • SNIPERBBBSNIPERBBB Hit Ball Hard Advanced Members Posts: 2,006 ✭✭
    It's not really even about being a better ball striker. It's about consistency. You can play scratch or better golf playing wipe slices or sling hooks all day long most courses that are fairly open.
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  • Ty_WebbTy_Webb Advanced Members Posts: 2,905 ✭✭
    BB28403 wrote:


    Just wanted to add confidence is key. I mean 100%. One day after a lesson my coach gave me THE best motivational talk. I’m guessing cuz it was really hot and he was sitting in a golf cart , lol!

    He told me that my swing looked awesome and to go play.

    I go play and have the best round ever.

    Motivation is a **** of a thing.



    Also I remember the round and my swing was pretty rough, I bagged driver and used only hybrids and irons . Still best ever due to wedges. Lots of birds pars and GIRs




    My first coach taught me from when I started until I was about 17 (3 years in). Then he left my club and went somewhere else. I ran into him a couple of years later and he asked me what my handicap was. I said 5. He said, and I quote, "it's too high, get it down". That was it. And I did. He was right.



    with respect to the OP, if you want a good starting point on the mental game, I'd suggest Zen Golf. I've always found that pretty good stuff. As to course strategy, pick your battles. On tough holes, play for pars, not birdies. Trying to make birdie is how people make double. Birdies will come from par fives and occasionally hitting it close. There are few people out there who can force birdies, especially on tougher holes.



    Lastly, find some scratch players and play with them. Take an honest look at their game and yours and see where you fall short. Then practice the **** out of it. There is a big difference between 9 and scratch. 9 in three years is decent progress. Stick at it and put the work in and you'll get there.
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  • b.mattayb.mattay New WRX'er Advanced Members Posts: 455 ✭✭
    edited March 13
    PepsiDuck wrote:


    I’ve heard the best way is to improve your golf swing. I don’t believe mental game will take you from high single to low single digits...




    I went from a 8 to a 1 a few years ago by improving my preshot routine and picking smarter targets. Helped eliminate the triples and quads. Maybe this is a rare case though.
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  • DaveGoodrichDaveGoodrich Advanced Members Posts: 975 ✭✭
    b.mattay wrote:
    PepsiDuck wrote:
    I’ve heard the best way is to improve your golf swing. I don’t believe mental game will take you from high single to low single digits...
    I went from a 8 to a 1 a few years ago by improving my preshot routine and picking smarter targets. Helped eliminate the triples and quads. Maybe this is a rare case though.




    If you were an 8 because of a couple/few triples/quads per round, then I could see how you could get to a 1 without actually hitting it better. However, your typical 8 doesn't make many triples or quads, they make too many 5's that should have been 4's. That will need better ball striking to fix. So yes, I think you are a rare case.
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  • b.mattayb.mattay New WRX'er Advanced Members Posts: 455 ✭✭
    edited March 15

    b.mattay wrote:
    PepsiDuck wrote:
    I’ve heard the best way is to improve your golf swing. I don’t believe mental game will take you from high single to low single digits...
    I went from a 8 to a 1 a few years ago by improving my preshot routine and picking smarter targets. Helped eliminate the triples and quads. Maybe this is a rare case though.




    If you were an 8 because of a couple/few triples/quads per round, then I could see how you could get to a 1 without actually hitting it better. However, your typical 8 doesn't make many triples or quads, they make too many 5's that should have been 4's. That will need better ball striking to fix. So yes, I think you are a rare case.




    You don't think that a better pre-shot routine and having a target you are comfortable hitting to can significantly impact the quality of your shots? I certainly think it can! Swing certainly plays a part, but you can get to a low single digit with a **** swing and lots of confidence in what you are doing!
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  • DaveGoodrichDaveGoodrich Advanced Members Posts: 975 ✭✭
    I do. I am an example of you you can get to a mid-single digit cap with a less than perfect swing with a good psr and course management. I just don't think I'm going to get to scratch without actually improving my ballstriking.
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  • larrybudlarrybud Members, Advanced Members Posts: 11,220 ✭✭
    I was a 4-5 cap hitting only 1/3 of the green in reg a few years ago because I played it safe and can chip and putt.



    If it hit it into the trees, I hit it out. If you can't get to the green, there's no point into doing anything else than getting it back into play.



    While all of that is well and good, and that generally takes a really high score out of play, really only started going low when my full swing improved, almost never hit it into trees to begin with, and rarely make a double bogey, and doubled my birdie percentage. Course management and the mental game only takes you so far.



    Granted, there will always be outliers, which is why you need to understand your game and do some in-depth stats to see where you're losing shots. Back then I averaged a 3 putt once every 11 holes... am I really saving that much to try to get that once every 13 holes, or would I be better off improving my driving so that I'm hitting 2 more fairways, and improving my iron game so it translates into 3 more GIRs?
  • msgmsg Advanced Members Posts: 305 ✭✭
    I know this does not count but since it is winter here and golf is just around the corner, I tried messing around with my simulator. I improved my PSR and my routine and my mind set of never giving up and just repeat the whole process on each and every shot, even if I don't get the result I wanted.



    In the last 5 games that I have played at the same course, I have shot an average of 2 over par in 9 holes.



    It was less stressful golf for me.



    I can't wait to bring this on the course and see if it improves my game.
  • b.mattayb.mattay New WRX'er Advanced Members Posts: 455 ✭✭


    I do. I am an example of you you can get to a mid-single digit cap with a less than perfect swing with a good psr and course management. I just don't think I'm going to get to scratch without actually improving my ballstriking.




    Fair!! I guess it depends on the player. For me, it was a lack of commitment that was leading to off the planet shots a few times per round! To me, a reduction in those shots is better ball striking! Everyone has their own issues and recipes for success, it is what makes golf great!
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  • 596596 Lakeland, FLAdvanced Members Posts: 3,581 ✭✭
    I was a 2 handicap after playing for 18 months. I started playing golf at age 54. Did I have a good swing? no, but it was good enough. I never practiced putting and seldom practiced chipping. I had Zero short game inside 100 yards. I didn't even know that part of the game existed. I've still never had a lesson. So how did I get to a 2? Staying out of trouble and learning that every shot does not have to be perfect. In fact some can be ugly as long as they don't add strokes.



    I don't understand the "mental" side of the game at all. I play the game of golf. I don't worry about the mental stuff, so I don't need to solve the mental side of the game.



    To score low 70's you need to stay away from trouble and play consistent golf. Does not need to be perfect. Just play the game on every shot.



    One other thing that helps and I guess you could say this is a mental drill......move up a few tee boxes every once in a while. Its fun and you'll learn to play for birdies. It really does train you mentally to plan, expect and make birdies.
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