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GPS vs Rangefinder in 2020

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YzmerfYzmerf Lake Elsinore, CAMembers  800WRX Points: 166Handicap: 3.2Posts: 800 Golden Tee
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Ive gotten to where i cant seem to trust my current rangefinder anymore (7 yr old Bushnell) so i want to upgrade. My question is why do you use a rangefinder now with the GPS units giving so much data? I’m even thinking abut just going for a S62 an making that my everyday watch as well. I’m ab analyst by natures so having the shot tracking makes it that much more appealing. Anyone gone away from Rangefinders only to find they missed them?

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  • BlackDiamondPar5BlackDiamondPar5 Quitting WRX may be in my future... Members  5849WRX Points: 1,162Posts: 5,849 Titanium Tees
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    I have both a Garmin GPS and a laser. This midcapper uses the GPS 10:1 over the laser. With that said I really like having both tools.


    With the reasonable price of many Garmin GPS devices and various lasers, you may want to consider getting both. No need to go with something like a pricey S62. There's less expensive Garmin watches that would leave you with plenty of extra money to buy a decent laser. Example a Callaway laser for $200 paired with a $200-$300 Garmin watch. That way you'd have the best of both worlds.

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  • ThinkingPlusThinkingPlus South TexasClubWRX  2577WRX Points: 1,567Handicap: +2.2Posts: 2,577 ClubWRX
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    I always want the most accurate distance to the flag I can get. GPS once you include all the factors is maybe good to 4 - 5 yards. A laser rangefinder is good to 1 - 2 yards. Better range value will give you better proximity to the hole which lowers score.

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  • PhilomathesqPhilomathesq Legal EagleMembers  920WRX Points: 1,072Handicap: My tolerance for stupidity.Posts: 920 Golden Tee
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    I wear a Garmin Fenix 6 Sapphire DLC when I play, and I also use a new Bushnell laser. Both the watch and laser provide slope-adjusted distances. Over the last several rounds, I’ve used them both for each shot. The biggest difference in distance I’ve seen between the two is two yards for bunkers and other course features. Shooting pins is a bit different because the watch obviously doesn’t know where the pin is natively. However, the watch allows me to move the pin marker to where it actually is. While this is guesswork, I am usually able to place the pin within 3 yards of the distance I get with the laser.

    I’m a 6, and while my iron play is the best part of my game, I’m not at the point where a difference of 2-3 yards will affect my game. I wish I could hit my irons within the same 2-3 yard circle every time, but I’m just not there.

    Now that I’m confident that my watch is more accurate than I require, I’ll likely use that exclusively. The only time I will likely use the laser is on the driving range and any time I play a new course when hitting into the green (as I won’t have institutional knowledge of pin locations, size of greens, etc. that allow me to properly place the pin on my watch).

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  • awtryau89awtryau89 Hoschton, GAMembers, ClubWRX  1530WRX Points: 309Posts: 1,530 ClubWRX
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    I used the S62 exclusively but recently went back and purchased a very inexpensive NX7 refurb. For me and my play (7 HC), knowing the distances to front and back of green are what I use most. If the pin is in the back I choose a club based on the back of our greens that will not fly too far. Ditto with the front, a club that will cover. The additional information I can get from the hazards and blind shots over the laser make it where if I had to choose one, I would go GPS. I do not believe you have to have both but at some of the very inexpensive prices of the lasers, it made it much easier decision. I use the S62 as my everyday watch as well for fitness. My recommendation would be going with the S62 as I think you were already leaning that way. It will do everything you need. If you feel the need for a laser afterwards, look for something inexpensive.

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  • BirdieBobBirdieBob Member of the 1 iron Club! Members  4697WRX Points: 539Posts: 4,697 Titanium Tees
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    Try the Garmin Approach Z82...GPS + Rangefinder. The Rangefinder will provide the slope like the GPS does but it will also calculate the horizontal distance from the slope which makes it more practical for the correct playing distance.


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  • BlackDiamondPar5BlackDiamondPar5 Quitting WRX may be in my future... Members  5849WRX Points: 1,162Posts: 5,849 Titanium Tees
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    How about the Vivoactive 4 for $270? This covers fitness and golf and much more. He could also buy a $200 laser and still have spent less than the S62.

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  • cristphotocristphoto Members  4011WRX Points: 399Handicap: 7Posts: 4,011 Titanium Tees
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    The watch provides slope adjustment? This must be fairly new. I have a watch and a laser and tend to use the laser more often. On a course I've never played before I favor the watch. As you said they both give accurate enough yardages for most amateur's, but I find I can get more info from the laser as I can measure most any point on the course. Yardage to the inside of a dogleg. Yardage to a tree I might want to go over. Yardage to the group in front - can I hit? Etc.

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  • LeoLeo99LeoLeo99 Members  5016WRX Points: 842Posts: 5,016 Titanium Tees
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    I know it's mental but I'm in the opposite camp. Knowing exacter yardages makes me think too much. Should I swing at 95%, maybe goose it a little...All things slightly beyond my skill level that get me into trouble. Just knowing approximate yardage to the middle and hitting the right club to get me there has done wonders for my GIR rate. I use a GPS watch. It's close enough for my skill level and more accuracy impacts my mental game.

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  • BirdieBobBirdieBob Member of the 1 iron Club! Members  4697WRX Points: 539Posts: 4,697 Titanium Tees
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    It says it will calculate "PlaysLike" Distance! Amazing....but of course it will not give you the exact distance to the pin like a rangefinder.

    "More than 41,000 preloaded golf courses provide on-device mapping that can help you improve your game. Get precise distances to each location on the course as well as the PlaysLike Distance feature, which adjusts yardages to account for uphill and downhill shots so you can select the best club for the situation."



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  • BlackDiamondPar5BlackDiamondPar5 Quitting WRX may be in my future... Members  5849WRX Points: 1,162Posts: 5,849 Titanium Tees
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    As a midcapper I definitely agree. Also GPS is great for front /back distance which is particularly important for medium to small greens like I often play.


    I still like a laser as well; flag distance on par 3, distances to features especially on unfamiliar courses and huge deep greens. Therefore if I have a budget then I'd split it between a modest priced GPS watch and laser rather than buy 1 expensive of either with all bells and whistles (which I don't find necessary).


    Also if someone really prefers laser they could always add a phone GPS app to supplement. They've gotten really good. I prefer a watch but I've seen some and they've gotten quite good.

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  • ThinkingPlusThinkingPlus South TexasClubWRX  2577WRX Points: 1,567Handicap: +2.2Posts: 2,577 ClubWRX
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    The math says better range accuracy will give better proximity to the hole, however, that is based on the idea that you use the better information in a constructive way. I don't really understand, but have seen others here make similar comments. I suspect it depends on how you adjust club choice and swing for non-stock distances. I grip down on the club different amounts to take distance off. I try to minimize the partial swing approach. Too touchy for me.

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  • YzmerfYzmerf Lake Elsinore, CAMembers  800WRX Points: 166Handicap: 3.2Posts: 800 Golden Tee
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    Truth be told i dont need a S62 but if we only cared about what we need GolfWRX wouldn’t exist! In any case I’ve tried using my Apple Watch and phone for yardages and tracking but it just end up being more than i want to deal with. I like the S62 because its designed for it from the get go. I dabble in Triathalons as well so I can get a Multisport app for that. My only concern is up until recently i never wore a watch at all. Ive gotten used to the Apple Watch, just have to see how much i notice this one. I know its huge but i have a feeling after a while i wont notice.

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  • flaghunting1987flaghunting1987 Members  99WRX Points: 54Posts: 99 Fairways
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    Laser Rangefinders are far more accurate. I like them better because you can shoot and point to any target off into the distance you want (tree, edge of bunker, water etc). GPS are usually 4-7 yards off.

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  • BirdieBobBirdieBob Member of the 1 iron Club! Members  4697WRX Points: 539Posts: 4,697 Titanium Tees
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    While SkyCaddie (gps satellites) and a Rangefinder (laser reflection) measure line-of-sight, it would more valuable to also provide "PlaysLike" distances. Not sure if SkyGolf has the data available regarding elevation differences to allow for this improvement? Seems like Garmin does so I expect it is available via maps.

    Rangefinder with slope correction is perfect example of how this slope adjusted distance compares with just line-of-sight distance.

    In this example, Rangefinder gives you the line-of-sight distance: 150 yards; While the "PlaysLike" distance corrected for the slope is about 180 yards!


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  • Dan13Dan13 Members  39WRX Points: 24Handicap: 7Posts: 39 Bunkers
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    For those of you using Garmin gps watches do I have it right that they give you F/M/B from the angle you are approaching the green from?

    I have an old gps watch (Neo) that still works fine (admittedly ugly). I use it along with a TGW slope laser. Gives me most everything I need. If I could get dynamic F/M/B Instead of fixed points then I could maybe justify upgrading.

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  • anythingfiniteanythingfinite Members  327WRX Points: 169Posts: 327 Greens
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    The Garmin S20 is perfect for me (except when it bugs out 1/30 rds). I'm a 5 and really just need F,M,B yardage for my play. I can tell if the shot is uphill or downhill and adjust accordingly.

    Sometimes I think about getting a laser but realize I will only shoot the pins on the range which isn't helpful with crappy range balls anyway.

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  • Nels55Nels55 Members  409WRX Points: 210Handicap: 9Posts: 409 Greens
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    I have an older garmen watch and a leupold laser which also has a few years on it. The watch is nice but I don't use much at all. I find it a lot simpler to use the laser as it in my bag all the time and I don't have to fuss with it at all other then changing out the battery. The one time the gps is really nice is when I cannot see the flag but that does not happen all that often and it is possible to get around that with a bit of effort if I really want to.

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  • Dan13Dan13 Members  39WRX Points: 24Handicap: 7Posts: 39 Bunkers
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    The only reason I got a laser is because I play in a league and there are a couple elevated greens or greens in shadow. Knowing exactly where the pin means more birdie chances. It is probably worth at least a stroke a side for me.

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    I have the bushnell xp pro. The clarity on it the best I’ve seen. So glad I went with this one.

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  • BlackDiamondPar5BlackDiamondPar5 Quitting WRX may be in my future... Members  5849WRX Points: 1,162Posts: 5,849 Titanium Tees
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    Garmin is near center far, measured by approach angle. Had a neo as well, liked the product but it had several shortcomings and one was the fixed front back as measured from the fairway instead of approach angle.

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    Thanks BlackDiamond. Provided the green shape is recorded accurately that is helpful information to have. Sounds like it’s worth the upgrade.🙂

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    Yes it was a nice upgrade from the neo-x to the vivoactive 3. The 4 is out now. Yes the VA3 had its quirks but overall a great combo of golf and fitness. I wouldn't hesitate to upgrade from your neo to the VA4. Good luck.

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  • RoejyeRoejye Members  82WRX Points: 54Handicap: 18Posts: 82 Fairways
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    I have the golfpad app on my phone and a laser. I use the app a lot more but I think that's mainly down to it's also my scorecard. It's accurate enough for my abilities and playing style. When I'm not keeping track of my round I use the laser, I bought an inxpensive one off of amazon. The one thing I would do in the future is spend a little more to get one with optical stabilization and flag lock vibration.

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  • Mikey5eMikey5e michMembers  1391WRX Points: 351Handicap: 15Posts: 1,391 Platinum Tees
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    What I like most about a GPS watch is that is always on my left wrist and is so simple to use. When I have the F C & R I am happy.

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  • brew4eaglebrew4eagle VAMembers  3698WRX Points: 692Handicap: 8.2Posts: 3,698 Titanium Tees
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    GPS is better than 4-7 yds. Had a laser and gps at same time, they were always very similar when I checked both at the same target. I did this at first to test the gps. Ended up ditching the laser as gps gives me more info in less time and less fiddling around.

    It ultimately depends on the target. For example, gps will be more accurate for front/middle/back and most hazards, laser will be more accurate for pin. Laser can give random targets that gps can't, similarly gps can give distances to targets that laser can't due to lack of line of sight. It comes down to personal preference.

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  • ThinkingPlusThinkingPlus South TexasClubWRX  2577WRX Points: 1,567Handicap: +2.2Posts: 2,577 ClubWRX
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    Actually it depends. GPS by itself with differential correction provided by local transmitters can get fairly close to 1 - 2 meters under good weather conditions. However, not all courses are in areas where the differential correction is available. You also have to RSS the variation in pin position vs. whatever was mapped as back, middle, or front. That alone adds in a few more yards depending on green shape and size.

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  • golfpros1golfpros1 Members  7869WRX Points: 302Handicap: 0.3Posts: 7,869 Titanium Tees
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    Garmin® GPS receivers are accurate to within 15 meters (49 feet or less) 95% of the time. Generally, users will see accuracy within 5 to 10 meters (16 to 33 feet) under normal conditions.

    Lasers are accurate to within +/- 1 yard (3 feet).

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  • brew4eaglebrew4eagle VAMembers  3698WRX Points: 692Handicap: 8.2Posts: 3,698 Titanium Tees
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    I don't buy those #s. Using a laser and gps side-by-side shows minimal differences in my experience.

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    If the flag is in the exact center of the green I can see the GPS giving the same yardage as the laser. But if there is a front or rear flag position why would the GPS and laser read the same since a pin is never on the exact front or rear seam of the green?

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    Just for the heck of it I often stand on fairway markers that give the yardage to the center of the green and my Bushnell GPS watch is always within one yard of the marker and a lot of times right on the yardage. GPS is very accurate and I don't see how anybody can say it is off 5 to 10 yards. It just isn't so.

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