Ric Shiels- Lumine pro am score

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  • OutlierOutlier OUTLIER Members Posts: 1,201 ✭✭✭✭✭✭

    jacobEDGE wrote:
    Hawkeye77 wrote:


    I don't get how some are suggesting vanity cap, whatever handicap he has is taken from the comps he plays in (not sure this one would count for his system) and he's posted up his scores in the area tournaments he's played in, so whatever handicap he has should be legit.




    Well in his intro video before the tournament began, he claimed he doesn't even have a handicap, because he's a Pro. (Which doesn't even make any sense).



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    Also, when looking up "Shiels" on GHIN's website, nothing comes up. So maybe he actually doesn't hold a handicap for some odd reason?


    Alot pros dont




    I thought GHIN was a US based system? The UK uses something different no?
  • pandrijczakpandrijczak Members Posts: 29 ✭✭
    Some pro's here in Australia maintain a handicap, but it's because they a financial member of a club and they play in the normal members club comps ie. midweek or Sat/Sun comps.



    Marc Leishman comes to mind, not sure about posting a link here whether it will stay here or not (sorry forums rules guy!)

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    He's a member at Warrnambool, on the SW coast of Vic. Windy as **** a lot of the time, hence why he's so good in the windy conditions.



    Played off +7 for the day (I had his golf H/C # to look up his actual, I remember it being around +5.5) had 36 points, wins a ball in the ball sweep/down the line.



    Google "leishman ball down the line port fairy" if the link doesnt make it.



    I've seen or played with a few other Aussie pros who maintain a cap as well, though they dont get to play too much club golf necessarily. And obviously they dont use the caps in pro tournaments.



    A lot of the US pros will have a handicap that is used for when they play in club comps for the home course, I remember Bubba being of +7.7 at Isleworth (google "bubba watson handicap isleworth") and click the first link and you'll see some other notables.
  • OutlierOutlier OUTLIER Members Posts: 1,201 ✭✭✭✭✭✭
    tyorke1 wrote:


    If playing golf is not your living then we are all capable of bad weeks . Also how many tourny's has he played this year and when you know the internet world is watching then it might be hard to focus on golf. I would be really surprised if other tourny golfers would criticize how anyone played a weekend and certainly no offence to higher caps or non tourny players but these are the ones usually criticizing. I missed the cut at nationals that was for me 9rds in nine days after losing a tourny by a shot the previous 4 days and all some people could say is did you choke were you nervous, the fact that I played 9rds in nine days and 3 months later would get a total hip replacement , no the only thing was that they couldn't understand the 79-77. Rick is excellent at what he does , I enjoy his video's and I could care less what his tourny scores are, his swing looks just fine.




    You are correct- nobody cares about anything but the scorecard. Pending hip replacement, too many rounds, **** itches.....personal problems. That week he/you sucked.
  • Santiago GolfSantiago Golf I Strive to make you Better Members Posts: 5,035 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    Hawkeye77 wrote:

    jacobEDGE wrote:
    Hawkeye77 wrote:


    I don't get how some are suggesting vanity cap, whatever handicap he has is taken from the comps he plays in (not sure this one would count for his system) and he's posted up his scores in the area tournaments he's played in, so whatever handicap he has should be legit.




    Well in his intro video before the tournament began, he claimed he doesn't even have a handicap, because he's a Pro. (Which doesn't even make any sense).



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    Also, when looking up "Shiels" on GHIN's website, nothing comes up. So maybe he actually doesn't hold a handicap for some odd reason?


    Alot pros dont




    Thanks and there you are - he apparently doesn't.



    Having said that, it's not hard to search his event results for those that are curious. Some good, some not good - inconsistent as you might expect.


    Rahm hasnt shot under par in his last 3 sundays. Super inconsistent! He must suck too!



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  • herbygolf21herbygolf21 Members Posts: 1,338 ✭✭✭✭✭✭
    edited Feb 12, 2018 #66
    jacobEDGE wrote:


    Also, he's definitely not a "hack". I think he's just not been focusing on tournament golf as of late. Here are his stats from 2016.



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    Making 11 cuts from 12 events. Averaging 72.4 in tournament conditions. Yeah, I doubt many people on here can do the same.




    Um, those appear to be one day events. 12 events, 12 rounds.



    Not too many 1 day events have cuts. I've yet to play in one. Maybe that's something they do over on that side of the pond.
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  • PowderedToastManPowderedToastMan Members Posts: 4,008 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭


    Can anyone shed light on the pro's (one pro further up) who has a handicap? I was under the illusion that no pro on the planet has a handicap?




    Many enter their scores into the system like everyone else. It’s how we know Tiger’s 2007 handicap at Isleworth was +11, Bubba +7, etc.. They aren’t super accurate, as most don’t enter all their rounds, but we can all agree the guys on tour play alright in tournaments.



    What this comes down to is the difference between not having a handicap and not needing a handicap. Professionals don’t need a handicap for pro events, but they can still have one. I’m sure Rick knows exactly what his handicap is, but said he didn’t have one as a way to relieve pressure.
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  • Jackhammer993Jackhammer993 Members Posts: 886 ✭✭✭✭✭
    So is there one internet guru who has shown to be better at golf than the others? The only one I have ever even heard of is Mark Crossfield. Also, good teachers are often times only adequate golfers. If you took the top 50 teachers in the world how many could shoot even close to par.
  • Danm2501Danm2501 Members Posts: 258 ✭✭
    jacobEDGE wrote:


    Also, he's definitely not a "hack". I think he's just not been focusing on tournament golf as of late. Here are his stats from 2016.



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    Making 11 cuts from 12 events. Averaging 72.4 in tournament conditions. Yeah, I doubt many people on here can do the same.




    As stated above - none of the events he played in had a cut. 1 round in the 60s from 12, hardly the performances of a guy likely to qualify for The Open.
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    I think he's much better than the scores he shot in this event. Most here have no idea how much time and work goes into keeping a social media profile like his. People who don't understand it criticize it as "fake" business but I assure you that it's real work. My daughter does the same for her business on several platforms and the poor kid works 14 hours a day, seven days a week at it....with six employees/interns also working at it. She, like Shiels, has a very successful business but her real social/family life does suffer as a result. It's what it takes these days to run a successful internet based business. That doesn't even consider the actual logistics of running the business and all that entails. Who has time to play serious golf? I give Shiels props for putting himself out there for criticism. He could just stay away from competition and let everyone just assume that he's a great player but he doesn't. I admire the **** out of him for creating international recognition and a big business out of absolute thin air....how can you criticize that? It's remarkable.
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  • jacobEDGEjacobEDGE Members Posts: 2,005 ✭✭✭✭✭✭
    bogeypro wrote:




    My usual group of playing partners are 4 pga pros from my area... none carry handicaps because they are pros. When pros sign up for tournament, they don't ask for handicaps so why have one...




    I don't play in any events that require a handicap, and I have one. It's a real nice, simple, easy way to know where your game is at. If someone asks how good you are at golf, you can shoot off a simple number that most people will understand. Also, bragging rights, my dude.


    Outlier wrote:


    I thought GHIN was a US based system? The UK uses something different no?




    That I'm not sure. On GHIN's website, when you go to the lookup function it asks for a State and Last Name. It allowed me to choose Europe/England as the State. They actually have most foreign countries listed. Which makes me assume you can have a GHIN outside of America.
  • cvhookem63cvhookem63 Fujikura Ventus Experience ETXClubWRX Posts: 4,776 ClubWRX
    He said on social media that for some reason he gets very nervous when playing competitive golf. It sounds like that may have affected him again.
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  • North ButteNorth Butte Members Posts: 10,966 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭


    I think he's much better than the scores he shot in this event. Most here have no idea how much time and work goes into keeping a social media profile like his. People who don't understand it criticize it as "fake" business but I assure you that it's real work. My daughter does the same for her business on several platforms and the poor kid works 14 hours a day, seven days a week at it....with six employees/interns also working at it. She, like Shiels, has a very successful business but her real social/family life does suffer as a result. It's what it takes these days to run a successful internet based business. That doesn't even consider the actual logistics of running the business and all that entails. Who has time to play serious golf? I give Shiels props for putting himself out there for criticism. He could just stay away from competition and let everyone just assume that he's a great player but he doesn't. I admire the **** out of him for creating international recognition and a big business out of absolute thin air....how can you criticize that? It's remarkable.




    I mentioned upthread that it must be very time-consuming to be a YouTube 'celebrity". Which is probably one reason why he isn't much of a player.



    But the fact remains, he does not actually play the game at an especially high level of accomplishment. Which is why I keep wondering why anyone cares what he says about golf clubs (which mostly consists of regurgitated marketing gobbledegook anyway) or why anyone would want to learn from him as a golf teacher.



    There are a hundred guys on GolfWRX who know more about golf equipment than Rick Shiels and there are at least 20 guys at my golf club who are better players. Obviously YouTube fame as a golf pseudo-authority requires no particular equipment knowledge nor does it require being able to, you know, shoot around par once in a while from the back tees.
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  • Jordan SpeethJordan Speeth ClubWRX Posts: 1,091 ClubWRX
    edited Feb 12, 2018 #74
    I don’t know why Shiels should be held to a higher standard than any of these other teachers or “authorities”. I’m pretty sure that if you threw Butch Harmon, Hank Haney, Rick Smith, et al out there, they wouldn’t fare any better. That wouldn’t diminish their credentials as teachers. Nor do David Duval’s poor showings lately hurt his credibility, at all. Shiels is doing what he’s doing at a very high level, just like those guys are. You can only do so much with the time you’ve got and he’s using his time to present a very high quality product to his followers. Is he the last word?...probably not, but he’s reliable and interesting to watch and listen to for many. It’s as much entertainment as educational. He’s got a huge audience...hard to argue with his success. Personally, I don’t expect him to be the greatest player there is. None of my great teachers have been great players. In fact, many of them rarely even have the time to play, much less practice.
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  • North ButteNorth Butte Members Posts: 10,966 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    It you find him entertaining, great. Not saying he doesn't or shouldn't have his audience.



    I just can't figure why anyone would be surprised he shoots a million in some tournament. If you've seen his videos where he plays, it's no surprise at all.



    And I sure as heck can't imagine anyone considers him an "authority" on golf clubs. Of course the fact I can't imagine it doesn't mean it ain't true...
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  • Double GeeDouble Gee Members Posts: 1,081 ✭✭
    I would imagine that his 'no handicap' statement means he is playing off zero, scratch like all club pros play off here in the UK.
  • North ButteNorth Butte Members Posts: 10,966 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    The only Pro-Am I've played in, the three of us Ams each got our handicap strokes (one of us was scratch as it turned out) and the Pro played off scratch. So I guess in theory some of the Pros were better players and some were worse but there was no handicapping to equalize them.



    I'll also say my teams Pro was suffering through a bout of the shanks and we were playing a links course in rain and a 20-30mph wind. So his round was very Rick Shiels-esque on that particular day!
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  • phen0men0nphen0men0n Members Posts: 88
    Man_O_War wrote:
    now i am really worried about all the internet swing gurus...so many of them creep up from everywhere and off we go with their latest craze.


    Well, Rick Shiels is less of a swing guru and more of a YouTube golf magazine. He's in the same category as Me and My Golf.
  • Hawkeye77Hawkeye77 Countdown to The Open Championship! IowaClubWRX Posts: 18,283 ClubWRX
    edited Feb 12, 2018 #80

    jacobEDGE wrote:


    Also, he's definitely not a "hack". I think he's just not been focusing on tournament golf as of late. Here are his stats from 2016.



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    Making 11 cuts from 12 events. Averaging 72.4 in tournament conditions. Yeah, I doubt many people on here can do the same.




    Um, those appear to be one day events. 12 events, 12 rounds.



    Not too many 1 day events have cuts. I've yet to play in one. Maybe that's something they do over on that side of the pond.




    They also appear to be actual scores.



    And yes, Monday events. Over on this side of the pond PGA sections have Monday events, at least where we live, all throughout the season - that's when folks have some time to actually play.
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    His spin rates must have been off. Give the guy a break.
  • BreakingParBreakingPar Recovering golf club and golf ball hoarder... Members Posts: 2,341 ✭✭✭✭✭✭
    His snap hooks must've not been "just missing the fairway" like they do in his reviews image/butcher.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':butcher:' />

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    His snap hooks must've not been "just missing the fairway" like they do in his reviews image/butcher.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':butcher:' />



    As Lockey would say "How embarrassing"




    One reason I'm surprised people pay for lessons from him. 40 yards left or right is "just missing fairway."



    Half that distance left or right at my course and you'd be three off the tee.
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    His snap hooks must've not been "just missing the fairway" like they do in his reviews image/butcher.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':butcher:' />



    As Lockey would say "How embarrassing"




    One reason I'm surprised people pay for lessons from him. 40 yards left or right is "just missing fairway."



    Half that distance left or right at my course and you'd be three off the tee.


    think its about $200 a lesson also image/swoon.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':swoon:' />



    I see he's now on the Golf Channel panel testing drivers with the aim of coming up with a new design which will be built!





    I'm not a fan, HOWEVER, he has created a decent living for his family from thin air- y'all gotta respect that.
  • TheInfidelTheInfidel Gotta let the Big Dog eat.... Members Posts: 1,540 ✭✭✭✭✭✭
    To be fair he did say on his instagram it was some of his worst competitive golf ever. Good honesty I thought.



    The guy does a good job producing relevant content for golfers who frequent forums like GolfWRX.



    For me, he's a lot more value add than people like Paige S, who fights cyber bullying in her bikini from magazine covers while shooting 100. Just my take.

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  • ByeBye EnglandMembers Posts: 1,339 ✭✭✭✭✭✭
    Outlier wrote:


    jacobEDGE wrote:
    Hawkeye77 wrote:


    I don't get how some are suggesting vanity cap, whatever handicap he has is taken from the comps he plays in (not sure this one would count for his system) and he's posted up his scores in the area tournaments he's played in, so whatever handicap he has should be legit.




    Well in his intro video before the tournament began, he claimed he doesn't even have a handicap, because he's a Pro. (Which doesn't even make any sense).



    pQfbN8U.png



    Also, when looking up "Shiels" on GHIN's website, nothing comes up. So maybe he actually doesn't hold a handicap for some odd reason?


    Alot pros dont




    I thought GHIN was a US based system? The UK uses something different no?




    We use Congu, link attached in case anyone is interested.



    http://www.congu.co.uk



    There are rumours of a world wide handicap system coming in but who knows.



    You only have to be a 4 handicap to turn pro over here, I think the playing test is now similar to the US one.



    Pros over here are generally not allowed to play in the club competitions so he won't have a handicap of any sort officially.
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  • pendodavependodave Members Posts: 83 ✭✭✭
    ^^^



    This is a fair summary.



    Also, for reference, in the UK the white tees are normally the comp tees at our clubs. So not the 'middle' tees like they would be in other countries. I think he normally plays off these in his vlogs unless course conditions (winter setups) dictate otherwise.
  • playaplaya Members Posts: 8,750 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    edited Feb 13, 2018 #88
    Hawkeye77 wrote:

    Londoner wrote:

    Hawkeye77 wrote:


    On vacation with his family, little or no play or practice in winter, not all that surprising. I'll bet anyone he played with had a great time.




    I understand all that but my pal plays off 1 and has a day job. I can't see him scoring like that.




    Okay, so is this or isn't it a bash? Your responses haven't really seemed to provide much in the way of support. Let's have a "get 'em next time, Rick!"


    Stating facts isn't a bash. For someone who makes his living based on his alleged golf knowledge and skill, that's a very poor score.
  • RichieHuntRichieHunt Members Posts: 3,722 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    Londoner wrote:




    I understand all that but my pal plays off 1 and has a day job. I can't see him scoring like that.




    It does happen.



    +2 over par winning it at a 6,300 yard course either tells me the field stinks or the conditions were horrendous. I tend to take the latter. And I don't know about over in Europe, but in the states you can get on a lot of gimmicky courses.



    I don't think Shiels is Tour level caliber talent, but I think it's fair to say that he's far better than shooting 88 on a 6,300 yard course.













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  • North ButteNorth Butte Members Posts: 10,966 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    Richie,



    I believe someone upthread stated that it was 6,300 meters. Which is a somewhat different thing!
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    1pt bitter beer
    every 6 hours.
    1 ten-mile walk every morning.
    1 bed at 11 sharp every night.
    And don't stuff your head with things you don't understand.” 
  • North ButteNorth Butte Members Posts: 10,966 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    Let me ask this of the Rick Shiels followers.



    Can you think of anything you learned from one of his equipment reviews that



    a) you didn't already know

    b) you couldn't have found out by reading the company's marketing material for the club

    c) you consider being correct and authoritative rather than just numbers from a handful of random swings off a mat with a GC2
    “1lb beefstak, with
    1pt bitter beer
    every 6 hours.
    1 ten-mile walk every morning.
    1 bed at 11 sharp every night.
    And don't stuff your head with things you don't understand.” 

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