It just me or are a lot of pros switching to Nippon Iron Shafts?

[hokieputter]

I was playing C-Taper S (straight in) before switching to Nippon. I'm in the camp of folks that like C-Tapers. Favorite shaft outside of what I'm in now. Always felt like a C-Taper R+ or ssx1 S would be a more ideal fit for me though. I switched to the ST Proto, X flex ssx1 and have never looked back. Great fit for me.

 

I have never hit the 125s (or 120s or 130s). Tried the ST solely based on what I read about them combined with what I was looking for (lighter weight without losing control). Fell in love with the ST Proto / 105. The 125 and 105 are supposed to be extremely similar, other than weight. 125s > 105s.

[32quattro]

I have Ap2 710 with 125 S. Tested some C Taper S and to me they fly lower and shorter than 125. As flex wise I can only report on my feelings. I can load both shaft easily but from transition forward nippon 125 kicks more while maintaining a stiff tip. It's like being on rails.

If you are on the S+ ball park maybe S is too soft for you.

I was playing the C Taper s+ before I switched to the nippons. Currently using 120X although the 125X maybe closer to the C Taper S+ IMO.

If you want to try the shafts out I suggest getting on the pay it forward thread http://www.golfwrx.c...yer-forwarding/

I bought full set of Nippon Modus Tour 125 S. I was just replying to ZP167

[markheardjr]

Way late to the Nippon Party but from what I breezed through in this forum I'm interested as I'm looking for a new set of irons. Went from Titleist ZM Blades with DG S300 to 712 MB's with C-taper S+ shafts. I'm looking at the 716 MB's and I'm happy with my C-tapers, love how they do not balloon and I can hit tight draws and I like them much better than the DG S300. I've been reading about the Tour Modus shafts and was wondering what would be a Nippon shaft close to the C-taper S+, that has a little better feel and maybe launch a touch higher in a similar weight? Tour 125S? Also I how to the Tour Modus play relative to flex? I've never played an X shaft, so should I hard step and S? Thanks for any input.

 

I'd probably have you try a 125X soft-stepped. CTaper is a pretty stout and boardy shaft. 120X possibly but if you prefer CTaper over DGS300 then 120X might be a step in the wrong direction. 125 will give you a little softer feel and a touch more kick. For sure should be a touch higher spin and launch but still controlled, would probably see that nice draw but more mid draw than low draw with CTapers. 125S hard-stepped maybe if you think Ctaper S+ is borderline the max stiffness you want to go.

[rodinho]

Ive been thinking for a little while that my PX 6.0's felt a little bit lifeless at the bottom end of the bag, so after reading lots of promising things about the modus line I decided to dive in and go for a set. I came across a set of b'stone J33's with modus 120 x's for a good price, so I pulled the trigger and bought them. If 120's are good enough for Stenson, they're good enough for me!

Anyway, they arrived at the tail end of last week and I've been to the range with them a few times, comparing them side by side to my mizuno's with PX 6.0's since then.

First of all, the feel is definitely different to the project x feel, a lot of people say "smooth" and I've never really understood the idea of that, but with these I think I get what they mean! You can really feel the shaft more than the PX, and I like that a lot. For little knock downs and punch shots they feel great. They also feel really nice on full shots too, but unfortunately it is the performance on full shots where the shafts start to let me down.

The ball takes off on a great flight at first, but for me they have a tendency to spin way up in to the air, and they also like to turn over - a lot!

It's been quite windy this week and the range I've been going too has been playing straight in to the wind, so this was a perfect test for them seeing as I play a lot of Links golf.

Alternating between my mizuno's and the bridgestone's it quickly became clear that the flight from the project x (for me) was much stronger than the Nippon's. Although I'm still not sure if I love the feel of the project x, for now I'll be sticking with them. I'm pretty disappointed to be honest because I wanted to love the modus after all I've read.

Maybe 130's would be better as people say they play a little bit more like the project x?

 

If anyone is looking for a set of 120x (4-p) then feel free to PM me.

[soundedgoodtho]

Do you guys think that I should go with s or x in the 125? I swing with a quick tempo around 95 mph and carry a 6 iron 185-190

[markheardjr]

Ive been thinking for a little while that my PX 6.0's felt a little bit lifeless at the bottom end of the bag, so after reading lots of promising things about the modus line I decided to dive in and go for a set. I came across a set of b'stone J33's with modus 120 x's for a good price, so I pulled the trigger and bought them. If 120's are good enough for Stenson, they're good enough for me!

Anyway, they arrived at the tail end of last week and I've been to the range with them a few times, comparing them side by side to my mizuno's with PX 6.0's since then.

First of all, the feel is definitely different to the project x feel, a lot of people say "smooth" and I've never really understood the idea of that, but with these I think I get what they mean! You can really feel the shaft more than the PX, and I like that a lot. For little knock downs and punch shots they feel great. They also feel really nice on full shots too, but unfortunately it is the performance on full shots where the shafts start to let me down.

The ball takes off on a great flight at first, but for me they have a tendency to spin way up in to the air, and they also like to turn over - a lot!

It's been quite windy this week and the range I've been going too has been playing straight in to the wind, so this was a perfect test for them seeing as I play a lot of Links golf.

Alternating between my mizuno's and the bridgestone's it quickly became clear that the flight from the project x (for me) was much stronger than the Nippon's. Although I'm still not sure if I love the feel of the project x, for now I'll be sticking with them. I'm pretty disappointed to be honest because I wanted to love the modus after all I've read.

Maybe 130's would be better as people say they play a little bit more like the project x?

 

If anyone is looking for a set of 120x (4-p) then feel free to PM me.

 

120X IMO is lower launching and higher spinning. Golfers tend to react to the feel in a way that they deloft the face and hit with a descending blow for a low launch and higher spin. I've never seen 120X get along well with steeper swings with lag. Better for a bit shoulder turn guy with a defined set at the top and wide downswing.

 

130 hits the ball high with low spin, call me nuts, but that is what it does and that is what many people experience. Hard to hit low. You won't balloon it because it's already on a pretty high trajectory. This shaft is for people that naturally hit the ball very low. Not for most folks IMO. But closer to the PX profile. Sergio used PX for years and uses 130X now for a few years.

 

125 Is kind of the happy medium and I would HIGHLY suggest you try out a Tour125. At 6.0 PX I might suggest 125X soft-stepped once, or just straight in to see how you like it. 125S, even hard-stepped may spin just a touch more than you want. You should get the lower trajectory you're looking for while maintaining great feel and controlled spin.

[markheardjr]

Do you guys think that I should go with s or x in the 125? I swing with a quick tempo around 95 mph and carry a 6 iron 185-190

 

How are you with spin and do your misses tend to be hooks? 125X, possibly softstepped but should be fine with X is my initial thought. Quick Tempo will probably overpower the 125S IMO.

[BearQ]

Do you guys think that I should go with s or x in the 125? I swing with a quick tempo around 95 mph and carry a 6 iron 185-190

 

How are you with spin and do your misses tend to be hooks? 125X, possibly softstepped but should be fine with X is my initial thought. Quick Tempo will probably overpower the 125S IMO.

 

Nippon needs to hire you as their official spokesman for the 125 series. You've tempted me from switching on many occasions, I can only resist so much longer.

[markheardjr]

Do you guys think that I should go with s or x in the 125? I swing with a quick tempo around 95 mph and carry a 6 iron 185-190

 

How are you with spin and do your misses tend to be hooks? 125X, possibly softstepped but should be fine with X is my initial thought. Quick Tempo will probably overpower the 125S IMO.

 

Nippon needs to hire you as their official spokesman for the 125 series. You've tempted me from switching on many occasions, I can only resist so much longer.

Sign up for the free trial in the link in my signature. All it costs you is shipping the club to the next person.

 

I wouldn't mind trying those PX LZ's That Loading Zone sounds a lot like the softer middle of the Tour125. I haven't hit the PX LZ yet.

[Oknows]

Definitely felt heavier with the 125's but they may be a tad counterbalanced, so swingweight was only 1 point more, and neither were an issue for me. I suppose it's what you're used to or can get used to.

 

How's your transition to the 125s going? Possibly looking for a heavier alternative to the Tour V 110s and remembered you are/were making the same change. Thanks for any info.

[GC70]

Do you guys think that I should go with s or x in the 125? I swing with a quick tempo around 95 mph and carry a 6 iron 185-190

 

How are you with spin and do your misses tend to be hooks? 125X, possibly softstepped but should be fine with X is my initial thought. Quick Tempo will probably overpower the 125S IMO.

 

Nippon needs to hire you as their official spokesman for the 125 series. You've tempted me from switching on many occasions, I can only resist so much longer.

Sign up for the free trial in the link in my signature. All it costs you is shipping the club to the next person.

 

I wouldn't mind trying those PX LZ's That Loading Zone sounds a lot like the softer middle of the Tour125. I haven't hit the PX LZ yet.

Mark, I hope you get your hands on a PX LZ to compare with the 125? I'd love to hear what you think!

[Yarra]

I have been trying to get my hands on a set of NS Pro Prototype ORA. If anyone has one for sale, kindly let me know. Thanks you in advance. :)

[jonn443]

Fantastic shafts...the 125S are the best I've ever used. However,One thing I see as a peculiar trait,if I get too quick,for some odd reason I tend to hit VERY close to the hosel,if not perform the dreaded hosel rocket. This happens more often with the 125S compared to my DG S300 (closest specs to the 125S).

 

Do you guys find this to be true with yours?

[MJisGOAT]

Do you guys think that I should go with s or x in the 125? I swing with a quick tempo around 95 mph and carry a 6 iron 185-190

 

How are you with spin and do your misses tend to be hooks? 125X, possibly softstepped but should be fine with X is my initial thought. Quick Tempo will probably overpower the 125S IMO.

 

Nippon needs to hire you as their official spokesman for the 125 series. You've tempted me from switching on many occasions, I can only resist so much longer.

Sign up for the free trial in the link in my signature. All it costs you is shipping the club to the next person.

 

I wouldn't mind trying those PX LZ's That Loading Zone sounds a lot like the softer middle of the Tour125. I haven't hit the PX LZ yet.

Mark, I hope you get your hands on a PX LZ to compare with the 125? I'd love to hear what you think!

 

Are the LZ leaving something to be desired?

[GC70]

MJ-

No I think it's just the hoe in me! The LZ are everything I wanted in a shaft! Sometimes I think my elbow starts to ache at night, but I think it's in my head. Never hurts during a round like the original PX do! I've never tried the 125's, because the 120 where so great and lighter.

[MJisGOAT]

I know the feeling. I had a poor ball striking day the other day and felt like man need new shafts. I had a great ball striking day yesterday and was like man I could be better with new shafts. It's not within the tangible to satisfy/quench the thirst of the human soul.

 

But it can be an interesting endeavor if you can afford it.

[Harob11]

For a guy who swings like a savage I use the 120 in TX. Anyone know if I would I be better off switching to the 125 in X?

 

Haven't read this whole thread but can anyone compare these Modus lines to the X7 and Shimada offerings?

 

Thanks.

[MJisGOAT]

Fantastic shafts...the 125S are the best I've ever used. However,One thing I see as a peculiar trait,if I get too quick,for some odd reason I tend to hit VERY close to the hosel,if not perform the dreaded hosel rocket. This happens more often with the 125S compared to my DG S300 (closest specs to the 125S).

 

Do you guys find this to be true with yours?

 

And so it begins; I do find that I have to get them just right in the slot to get optimal results, but that's nearly the same with any shaft.

[MJisGOAT]

Do you guys think that I should go with s or x in the 125? I swing with a quick tempo around 95 mph and carry a 6 iron 185-190

 

How are you with spin and do your misses tend to be hooks? 125X, possibly softstepped but should be fine with X is my initial thought. Quick Tempo will probably overpower the 125S IMO.

 

Nippon needs to hire you as their official spokesman for the 125 series. You've tempted me from switching on many occasions, I can only resist so much longer.

Sign up for the free trial in the link in my signature. All it costs you is shipping the club to the next person.

 

I wouldn't mind trying those PX LZ's That Loading Zone sounds a lot like the softer middle of the Tour125. I haven't hit the PX LZ yet.

Mark, I hope you get your hands on a PX LZ to compare with the 125? I'd love to hear what you think!

 

I'm interested to read Mark's thoughts on the 125 vs LZ as well. My gamers are 125 and I demoed the LZ 7 iron shaft for about 3+ weeks or so. I found a bit better distance and dispersion and higher flight in the LZ than the 125s. At first I felt the LZ felt better, but when I'm in the groove the Modus feels stellar. I was actually a bit more consistent with the LZ and thought I had found a new shaft, but then I had that inkling of what I "thought" may have been elbow pain with the LZ usage. I haven't felt that sensation since I parted with the LZ. I could easily do a full set of the LZ in the 5 iron to my lob, as they are/were near perfect in what I think I may or may not be looking for. Mid weight, high flight, low spin and good feel with a tight dispersion. Just talking about it makes me want to give them another try! Modus are great shafts, and if they decide to release that 115ish Modus proto then I would certainly be tempted to try those. A lot of great options out there for the discerning golfer.

[jj9000]

Modus are great shafts, and if they decide to release that 115ish Modus proto then I would certainly be tempted to try those. A lot of great options out there for the discerning golfer.

 

They already have.

 

ST Proto...X Flex...Straight in, or, stepped as necessary.

[markheardjr]

For a guy who swings like a savage I use the 120 in TX. Anyone know if I would I be better off switching to the 125 in X?

 

Haven't read this whole thread but can anyone compare these Modus lines to the X7 and Shimada offerings?

 

Thanks.

 

X7 is a beast and Tour130X would be more in line with the flex, and feel of weight to X7 but the 130 has a softer tip so it has a very soft feel at impact. It will hang with ANY swing out there.

 

125X has a bit more kick and is softer, for someone that is crazy aggressive you can probably overpower them. Keegan uses 125X hard-stepped once. There are some unicorns out there, the ORA X, C10 X, 2S14 X, etc that are all firmer than 125, especially in the midsection I feel and get real heavy.

[markheardjr]

Modus are great shafts, and if they decide to release that 115ish Modus proto then I would certainly be tempted to try those. A lot of great options out there for the discerning golfer.

 

They already have.

 

ST Proto...X Flex...Straight in, or, stepped as necessary.

Think he's referring to the LSL which is like a Tour105 and Tour125 crossover that is lower spin and lower launch (Slightly firmer mid-section) in the 118g area. Maybe more of a Tour105/Tour120 actually. Haven't heard much on them since January and haven't seen a set on eBay at all which means they must be keeping the stock pretty tight.

[markheardjr]

I have been trying to get my hands on a set of NS Pro Prototype ORA. If anyone has one for sale, kindly let me know. Thanks you in advance. :)

 

I have a set of X flex pulls but you're gonna have to tempt me with some Benjamins to get rid of another set of Nippon Protos from my closet.

[bladehunter]

For a guy who swings like a savage I use the 120 in TX. Anyone know if I would I be better off switching to the 125 in X?

 

Haven't read this whole thread but can anyone compare these Modus lines to the X7 and Shimada offerings?

 

Thanks.

 

X7 is a beast and Tour130X would be more in line with the flex, and feel of weight to X7 but the 130 has a softer tip so it has a very soft feel at impact. It will hang with ANY swing out there.

 

125X has a bit more kick and is softer, for someone that is crazy aggressive you can probably overpower them. Keegan uses 125X hard-stepped once. There are some unicorns out there, the ORA X, C10 X, 2S14 X, etc that are all firmer than 125, especially in the midsection I feel and get real heavy.

 

 

 

absolutely.... if you told me you overpowered 130x i would call you a liar to your face.... i dont think it can be done...not to the point of having the lefts etc.... i love the 130x and hated the 120x... 120TX i could do but probably would hardstep .....would love to try the 125...but dont need to really ...the 130 is top notch for me

[stage1350]

For a guy who swings like a savage I use the 120 in TX. Anyone know if I would I be better off switching to the 125 in X?

 

Haven't read this whole thread but can anyone compare these Modus lines to the X7 and Shimada offerings?

 

Thanks.

 

X7 is a beast and Tour130X would be more in line with the flex, and feel of weight to X7 but the 130 has a softer tip so it has a very soft feel at impact. It will hang with ANY swing out there.

 

125X has a bit more kick and is softer, for someone that is crazy aggressive you can probably overpower them. Keegan uses 125X hard-stepped once. There are some unicorns out there, the ORA X, C10 X, 2S14 X, etc that are all firmer than 125, especially in the midsection I feel and get real heavy.

 

 

 

absolutely.... if you told me you overpowered 130x i would call you a liar to your face.... i dont think it can be done...not to the point of having the lefts etc.... i love the 130x and hated the 120x... 120TX i could do but probably would hardstep .....would love to try the 125...but dont need to really ...the 130 is top notch for me

 

I would not call 120TX that stiff. I know people that are hard transition S400 players that can handle them. Having come from X7, they weren't even close. They were good on partial shots and knockdowns, but full shots would balloon and get killed in the wind. For an X-100 player needing a little spin, the 120TX would be a good call.

 

Even 2S14 X seems higher launching than X7, though I am observing lower spin rates. I'm waiting for a set of heads to get back from the platers to try a set of C10 X protos. I'll be interested to see how they fare compared to X7.

[Oknows]

Okay, got my 125 stiffs in yesterday. I have an extra Ap2 7 iron head laying around for just these occasions. Went out and hit the 125s against my Tour V 110s and man, this going to be a tough decision.

 

Distance and dispersion with both was about the same. The Tour Vs were probably a little tighter. On my REALLY good ones, the Tour Vs might have had an extra 5 yards on them. The difference was flight and feel. The Tour Vs definitely launch higher which is a little bit of an issue simply because I'm a high ball hitter as is. Wish I could have looked at spin numbers, but my concern with the Tour Vs is into wind. 125s had a more penetrating flight that I don't see getting knocked down. To be determined if the 125s will hold a green well, but it looked good on the range.

 

The biggest difference was probably "feel". The 125s felt smooth and I felt like I could feel a little kick toward the end of the swing. I'm not used to that, as most shafts I've played seem to just get the club to the ball if that makes sense. I've never really felt a kick on any irons I've played.

The Tour Vs feel that way. I think it's the stiff middle. I don't know. When I hit a little off center, the Tour Vs definitely give more vibration.

 

Tour Vs - great dispersion, hair better distance, more mishits that might be attributed to the lighter weight and my tempo, a little more "harsh" for lack of a better term.

 

Modus 125 - good dispersion and distance, better weight for me I think, better feel. Don't see myself having any joint issues with them.

 

Think I'm going to build up the rest of the set and see how they play and make my decision there.

[jokerusn]

On a whim, and after seeing a bunch of the reviews in this thread, I bought an extra 6i head (same J40 as my gamers) and a Tour 125 X shaft for it to compare to the S400s in my irons now. I took 1 swing with the Nippon and went "Wow!" Impact was dead on the sweet spot and the ball went like a laser on such a beautiful trajectory. The feel was so smooth I barely felt the shaft flex but I could tell it rebounded. I grabbed another ball and took another swing. The exact same shot, exact same impact point. I have never hit 2 identical shots in a row before. Took another ball and 3 in a row. I was amazed at how consistent the shots were and the shaft felt. Picked up my DG 6i and didn't get the same results. Balls were veering a little bit from the target line, not a lot but not laser straight like the 125. I did get more distance with the DG, though. It also looked like the DG launched a little higher but spun less because it flattened out a lot more than the 125.

[MJisGOAT]

On a whim, and after seeing a bunch of the reviews in this thread, I bought an extra 6i head (same J40 as my gamers) and a Tour 125 X shaft for it to compare to the S400s in my irons now. I took 1 swing with the Nippon and went "Wow!" Impact was dead on the sweet spot and the ball went like a laser on such a beautiful trajectory. The feel was so smooth I barely felt the shaft flex but I could tell it rebounded. I grabbed another ball and took another swing. The exact same shot, exact same impact point. I have never hit 2 identical shots in a row before. Took another ball and 3 in a row. I was amazed at how consistent the shots were and the shaft felt. Picked up my DG 6i and didn't get the same results. Balls were veering a little bit from the target line, not a lot but not laser straight like the 125. I did get more distance with the DG, though. It also looked like the DG launched a little higher but spun less because it flattened out a lot more than the 125.

 

I would love to hear more. I played dgs300 and s400 ssx1 before switching to the 125's. I did hit the dg about 3-5 yards further. I kinda like the dg feel though.

 

125s have a snappy impact while the dg had a thump (iirc).

[jokerusn]

On a whim, and after seeing a bunch of the reviews in this thread, I bought an extra 6i head (same J40 as my gamers) and a Tour 125 X shaft for it to compare to the S400s in my irons now. I took 1 swing with the Nippon and went "Wow!" Impact was dead on the sweet spot and the ball went like a laser on such a beautiful trajectory. The feel was so smooth I barely felt the shaft flex but I could tell it rebounded. I grabbed another ball and took another swing. The exact same shot, exact same impact point. I have never hit 2 identical shots in a row before. Took another ball and 3 in a row. I was amazed at how consistent the shots were and the shaft felt. Picked up my DG 6i and didn't get the same results. Balls were veering a little bit from the target line, not a lot but not laser straight like the 125. I did get more distance with the DG, though. It also looked like the DG launched a little higher but spun less because it flattened out a lot more than the 125.

 

I would love to hear more. I played dgs300 and s400 ssx1 before switching to the 125's. I did hit the dg about 3-5 yards further. I kinda like the dg feel though.

 

125s have a snappy impact while the dg had a thump (iirc).

 

I'd say that's a pretty good comparison. The DGs feel pretty solid to me especially the pured shots. The 125 had a much lighter impact feel. I came from PX before the DG and really like the way the DG feels and performs in comparison. I get a very similar flight from the 125 as PX but I spun PX a lot more. Where PX requires some aggression to acheive a proper flex, to me the DG and 125 can be properly flexed with a softer, more deliberate transition and downswing. I haven't been able to really put the shaft to the test against the DG so that's about as close as I can get for now. I'll probably do more testing over the next couple of weeks and will report more then.

[MJisGOAT]

We look forward to it.