It just me or are a lot of pros switching to Nippon Iron Shafts?

[markheardjr]

[quote name='MJisGOAT' timestamp='1430217198' post='11456749']
I got the impression that the 125 U.S. release may not be as big as we were expecting (hence the limited release). It struck me oddly as isn't it suppose to be the 120 replacement.

[media=]http://youtu.be/7bW7QZnFoYk[/media]
[/quote]
Some of those comments were directed, I feel, at Mr. Wishon. That is my own thought, not anything Nippon said or told me, just my gut. I agree with them though. The Modus line is very unique, unlike any other shaft out there. The 120 primarily is the poster child for why frequencing shafts isn't the end all measurement tool. The butt is so soft the frequency machine gets tricked. The 120 has a stiff lower mid-section and tip. Many of us know to transition from DG I suggest going up a flex. But honestly, the shaft flexes were chosen for a reason, just people aren't ready to trust their swing and the shaft that much. S300 users should be trying 120S, and I know Wishon charts say 120X is like an R400, but that is only the butt section and a 120S is really comparable in total shaft performance to an S300 with the stiffer lower mid & tip section. But it is a radical change. I suggest a break-in period, or better yet, a break-out from your old equipment conceptions. I think 3-4 rounds with 3-4 range sessions in between to really change your expectation of feel from old to new.

I know a lot of people say steel is steel and you can only do so much, but Nippon is on the extreme cutting edge of steel shaft technology. DG is starting to play with wall thickness now too. They've been riding their standard too long IMO. I'm glad they are finally looking into more options like DG Pro & AMT. (Fair disclosure I was never a fan of the Black Gold or the TTTC or the Monaco's.) Beyond wall thickness, it is also using different processes so you can get a lighter material to be as strong as a heavier. I don't know where True Temper & Nippon's parent NHK lie on who has better processes/technologies.

[hayzooos]

[quote name='DTown3011' timestamp='1430233128' post='11458085']
[quote name='Hot Rod 71' timestamp='1430226191' post='11457289']
Maybe its just me, but I find the 120X performs very similar to the DG X100 soft stepped I had prior to installing the Modus 120, but with better feel at a lighter weight.

To me the 120 is KBS feel (but better) with DG performance. The 120 does launch a tad bit higher for me than DG, but spin seems about the same. Great performance in the wind with no ballooning.
[/quote]

If that's the case, I'll be REALLY happy with the 120x's softstepped.
[/quote]

I'm playing the 120X's soft-stepped right now, and I'll concur. Coming from C-Tapers, the feel (to me) is better and the spin is obviously higher, but that's to be expected. I don't recall anything ballooning in the wind unless it was a pretty stiff wind right into my face.

[Dscvrr St Louis]

[quote name='MJisGOAT' timestamp='1430239047' post='11458761']
[quote name='Dscvrr St Louis' timestamp='1430236688' post='11458433']
[quote name='DTown3011' timestamp='1430233128' post='11458085']
[quote name='Hot Rod 71' timestamp='1430226191' post='11457289']
Maybe its just me, but I find the 120X performs very similar to the DG X100 soft stepped I had prior to installing the Modus 120, but with better feel at a lighter weight.

To me the 120 is KBS feel (but better) with DG performance. The 120 does launch a tad bit higher for me than DG, but spin seems about the same. Great performance in the wind with no ballooning.
[/quote]

If that's the case, I'll be REALLY happy with the 120x's softstepped.
[/quote]

Coming from Ctaper S+ SS 1x, I find both the 120TX and 130 S, yeah, playing both, to be smoother and better feel and dispersion then the Ctapers. 120 TX are lower launch and higher spin than the Ctapers, whereas the 130 s is about the same launch and spin as the Ctaper, but both have better dispersion and easier to swing feel than Ctapers. Love them both, both are 126-127 weight class. I would say the 120 TX is not a 'true tx' feel or stiffness...just that in performance.
[/quote]Dscvrr, might as well add the 125 tou your repertoire.
[/quote]

Honestly, the 130s seem like a perfect marriage in the MB's and the 120TX in the Apex Pros and my Nike VP/VPC combo set...I may try a 125, but would be more in line for another set of irons in November before I do...these are great right now!

[Afraid2goLow]

After 50 some odd threads i still dont know if i should try the 120s or 120x, currently game PX 6.0.

[DTown3011]

[quote name='Afraid2goLow' timestamp='1430252697' post='11460549']
After 50 some odd threads i still dont know if i should try the 120s or 120x, currently game PX 6.0.
[/quote]

If you play PX 6.0 I'd say X or X SS1x would be the way to go. SS if you want to err on the side of softness.

[markheardjr]

[quote name='Afraid2goLow' timestamp='1430252697' post='11460549']
After 50 some odd threads i still dont know if i should try the 120s or 120x, currently game PX 6.0.
[/quote]
You did read all the pages, there is a translator around page 7-11 somewhere. Maybe I'll dig it up and repost it for the lazy people.

Page 7...

Modus / Rifle / DG / KBS
120 R / 4.0-4.5 / R200 / KBS Tour R
120 S ssx1 / 4.5-5.0 / R300 / C-Taper Lite R
130 R / 5.0-5.4 / S400 SSx1 / C-Taper Lite R HSx1, Tour V R
120 S / 5.5 / S300 / SSx1 / C-Taper R, C-Taper Lite S SSX1, KBS Tour S
120 X / 6.0-6.4 / S300 / C-taper S+ / KBS Tour X
130 S / 6.3-6.8 / S400 HSx1, X100, X200 SSx1 / Tour V S HSx1
120 TX / 6.5-7.0 / X100 HSx1, X200 / C-Taper X
130 X SSx1 / 7.0-7.1 / DG Tour X7 SSx1 / Tour V 120&125 X
130 X / 7.2+ / X300, DG Tour X7 / C-Taper X

SSx1 = Soft Step 1 timeHSx1 = Hard Step 1 time.

[Ed Settle]

[quote name='markheardjr' timestamp='1430253756' post='11460655']
[quote name='Afraid2goLow' timestamp='1430252697' post='11460549']
After 50 some odd threads i still dont know if i should try the 120s or 120x, currently game PX 6.0.
[/quote]
You did read all the pages, there is a translator around page 7-11 somewhere. Maybe I'll dig it up and repost it for the lazy people.

Page 7...

Modus / Rifle / DG / KBS
120 R / 4.0-4.5 / R200 / KBS Tour R
120 S ssx1 / 4.5-5.0 / R300 / C-Taper Lite R
130 R / 5.0-5.4 / S400 SSx1 / C-Taper Lite R HSx1, Tour V R
120 S / 5.5 / S300 / SSx1 / C-Taper R, C-Taper Lite S SSX1, KBS Tour S
120 X / 6.0-6.4 / S300 / C-taper S+ / KBS Tour X
130 S / 6.3-6.8 / S400 HSx1, X100, X200 SSx1 / Tour V S HSx1
120 TX / 6.5-7.0 / X100 HSx1, X200 / C-Taper X
130 X SSx1 / 7.0-7.1 / DG Tour X7 SSx1 / Tour V 120&125 X
130 X / 7.2+ / X300, DG Tour X7 / C-Taper X

SSx1 = Soft Step 1 timeHSx1 = Hard Step 1 time.
[/quote]

Mark, I know you have posted this chart several times in this thread. It would be a good thing for any of us to capture a screen shot or copy and paste for future reference.

I have said it before, most informative thread/discussion I have been a involved in.

[Hot Rod 71]

That chart needs to be a sticky at the top of the clubmaking forum.

[3_Putt_Par]

Mark should just have it as his signature and 95% of the questions on this thread are answered. Wonder where the 125 series fits on this chart?

[Ed Settle]

[quote name='3_Putt_Par' timestamp='1430273124' post='11462627']
Mark should just have it as his signature and 95% of the questions on this thread are answered. Wonder where the 125 series fits on this chart?
[/quote]

Mark has covered that also. I am sure he will plug it in.

[Sooner1]

yesterday my Bridgestone J15's with 120x hardstepped arrived. wind was out of the north and blowing pretty good. i was a bit skeptical because the last set of Bstones i had with this shaft (not hardstepped) balloned a bit and didn't flight well. These j15's on the other hand put on a show. the ball flight was spot on and the feel was really good. not super soft / mushy but very smooth and like i could control them. the wind didn't touch a solid shot and the distance was right on par with my other irons. Thanks for all the info in this forum. it certainly helped.

[markheardjr]

125 is basically equal to DG, maybe just a touch softer, like a smidge.

Modus / Rifle / DG / KBS
120 R / [b]125 R ssx1[/b] / 4.0-4.5 / R200 / KBS Tour R
120 S ssx1 / [b]125 R[/b] / 4.5-5.0 / R300 / C-Taper Lite R
130 R / [b]125 R hsx1[/b] / [b]125 S ssx1 [/b]/ 5.0-5.4 / S400 SSx1 / C-Taper Lite R HSx1, Tour V R
120 S / [b]125 S[/b] / 5.5 / S300 / SSx1 / C-Taper R, C-Taper Lite S SSX1, KBS Tour S
120 X / [b]125 S hsx1[/b] / [b]125 X ssx1[/b] / 6.0-6.4 / S300 / C-taper S+ / KBS Tour X
130 S / [b]125 X [/b]/ 6.3-6.8 / S400 HSx1, X100, X200 SSx1 / Tour V S HSx1
120 TX / [b]125 X hsx1[/b] / 6.5-7.0 / X100 HSx1, X200 / C-Taper X
130 X SSx1 / 7.0-7.1 / DG Tour X7 SSx1 / Tour V 120&125 X
130 X / 7.2+ / X300, DG Tour X7 / C-Taper X

SSx1 = Soft Step 1 timeHSx1 = Hard Step 1 time.

[Bamicus]

Was just fit today for DG s 300. Fitter didn't have modus but tried 1150 and the fitter said I wouldn't be happy with Nippon shafts. Would anyone like to comment?

[mumuland]

How can I determine if a set of 120 are hard stepped? They are pulls with the grip still on. Can I measure the length of the last segment like the DGs? Any ideas? Thanks!

[MJisGOAT]

[quote name='Bamicus' timestamp='1430339752' post='11467891']
Was just fit today for DG s 300. Fitter didn't have modus but tried 1150 and the fitter said I wouldn't be happy with Nippon shafts. Would anyone like to comment?
[/quote]Nippon has an array of options to fit any player. Sounds like the fitter has an agenda.

[hayzooos]

[quote name='MJisGOAT' timestamp='1430340710' post='11467973']
[quote name='Bamicus' timestamp='1430339752' post='11467891']
Was just fit today for DG s 300. Fitter didn't have modus but tried 1150 and the fitter said I wouldn't be happy with Nippon shafts. Would anyone like to comment?
[/quote]Nippon has an array of options to fit any player. Sounds like the fitter has an agenda.
[/quote]

Agree. One of the guys on here I know pretty well didn't like any of the Modus (120/130) options but did like the 1150s quite a bit. I don't know about a DG bias, but since he doesn't carry the shaft you want to hit, it's not a surprise he wanted to put you in something else and not suggest anything about something he doesn't carry.

[markheardjr]

[quote name='Bamicus' timestamp='1430339752' post='11467891']
Was just fit today for DG s 300. Fitter didn't have modus but tried 1150 and the fitter said I wouldn't be happy with Nippon shafts. Would anyone like to comment?
[/quote]
Probably translates to "I don't' know how to get you Nippon or I don't want to try to figure it out, so just buy the cardboard box I have available."

I don't see any reason someone that likes DG won't find a Nippon they like, Nippon pretty much has all swing types covered. DGS300 should be plug in play for a Super Peening orange, 1150GH Tour, Modus Tour125S. All of which are not easily located except maybe eBay or a few online sites. Any official Nippon rep could get you SPO or 1150's, Modus Tour 125's you just need to be patient with or order from Japan.

[markheardjr]

[quote name='mumuland' timestamp='1430340391' post='11467939']
How can I determine if a set of 120 are hard stepped? They are pulls with the grip still on. Can I measure the length of the last segment like the DGs? Any ideas? Thanks!
[/quote]
Sorry, I don't have a set of 120's avaiable. If you take the grip off, there may be the original print with the shaft length. Nippon uses 37" PW, 37.5" 9i and .5" increments up.

[kchase]

I have a set of 120x I can measure for you if that's the flex you have.

These should be on the BST soon also.

[Bamicus]

Hi Mark , what about 120s as a replacement for DG 300s? Thanks

[kchase]

[quote name='mumuland' timestamp='1430340391' post='11467939']How can I determine if a set of 120 are hard stepped? They are pulls with the grip still on. Can I measure the length of the last segment like the DGs? Any ideas? Thanks![/quote]

37.0 or wedge shaft at 37" is 12.5" from tip to first step. It goes 1/2" on each from there. 120x

[av1084]

54 pages in and I am still contemplating.

Got a chance to get on a monitor with some limited shafts, long story short is I came from I20 with CFS stiff which was too high and too much spin. (Driver SS 108-111)

Picked up some S55s (which I had wanted to get for sometime) with KBS Tour V stiff shafts (thought it would be a good fit as I spun KBS Tour S too much)

Bottom line is I love the results with the Tour V, but not the feel. Results were also essentially similar with DG and KBS Tour X, but feel was better. Modus 120S spun too much for me, but LOVED the feel.

So it seems like an easy answer - modus 120X, right?

The complicating factor is that I also have SPB stiff in my 3 iron, and LOVE that feel and the ball flight. But, I am scared to get SPBs for all my irons because of the weight and issues if I was playing more than 18 a day or practicing a bunch or something.

Are my fears unfounded, and should I just go with the SPB? Or would anyone have insight on SPB comparables that were maybe more lightweight or smoother?

Mark, I know SPB are different from Modus, but where do you see them sitting on the 120-125-130 Modus spectrum?

Thanks in advance to all.

[DTown3011]

[quote name='av1084' timestamp='1430349302' post='11468859']
54 pages in and I am still contemplating.

Got a chance to get on a monitor with some limited shafts, long story short is I came from I20 with CFS stiff which was too high and too much spin. (Driver SS 108-111)

Picked up some S55s (which I had wanted to get for sometime) with KBS Tour V stiff shafts (thought it would be a good fit as I spun KBS Tour S too much)

Bottom line is I love the results with the Tour V, but not the feel. Results were also essentially similar with DG and KBS Tour X, but feel was better. Modus 120S spun too much for me, but LOVED the feel.

So it seems like an easy answer - modus 120X, right?

The complicating factor is that I also have SPB stiff in my 3 iron, and LOVE that feel and the ball flight. But, I am scared to get SPBs for all my irons because of the weight and issues if I was playing more than 18 a day or practicing a bunch or something.

Are my fears unfounded, and should I just go with the SPB? Or would anyone have insight on SPB comparables that were maybe more lightweight or smoother?

Mark, I know SPB are different from Modus, but where do you see them sitting on the 120-125-130 Modus spectrum?

Thanks in advance to all.
[/quote]

Not knowing your swing but at 108-111, why are you playing S flex? You should be in X all day assuming you don't have a totally early release.

[markheardjr]

[quote name='av1084' timestamp='1430349302' post='11468859']
54 pages in and I am still contemplating.

Got a chance to get on a monitor with some limited shafts, long story short is I came from I20 with CFS stiff which was too high and too much spin. (Driver SS 108-111)

Picked up some S55s (which I had wanted to get for sometime) with KBS Tour V stiff shafts (thought it would be a good fit as I spun KBS Tour S too much)

Bottom line is I love the results with the Tour V, but not the feel. Results were also essentially similar with DG and KBS Tour X, but feel was better. Modus 120S spun too much for me, but LOVED the feel.

So it seems like an easy answer - modus 120X, right?

The complicating factor is that I also have SPB stiff in my 3 iron, and LOVE that feel and the ball flight. But, I am scared to get SPBs for all my irons because of the weight and issues if I was playing more than 18 a day or practicing a bunch or something.

Are my fears unfounded, and should I just go with the SPB? Or would anyone have insight on SPB comparables that were maybe more lightweight or smoother?

Mark, I know SPB are different from Modus, but where do you see them sitting on the 120-125-130 Modus spectrum?

Thanks in advance to all.
[/quote]
130 has the butt/mid section of the SPB, but way softer tip. Double hard-stepping a 130 might get you close to a SPB type feel, really shorten up that soft tip section. 130 is also closer to KBS Tour V, but supposedly just a touch firmer feeling & lower spin performance. 120 is going to feel like a noodle compared to SPB because of the softer butt section, also overall the 120 is softer and weighted heavily towards the tip. 125 would be closest I feel. More balanced weighting like the SPB, but will feel lighter. Spin just a bit higher, launch a bit higher.
IMO, the C10 and 2S14 prototypes play very similar to SPB, 125 is closer to SPO or 1150GH Tour with stiffer tip/grip, softer mid.. 130 is kind of like a 1050 but stiffer in butt/middle. 120, I don't know which older model it is like, a far softer butt section than their other shafts. Maybe a heavier 850 type? 850 is said to have a friendlier "more-comfortable" butt seciont. Close to DG I guess.
You may want to check out some Super Peening Oranges or ORA prototypes which are gonna be just a touch higher spin/launch than SPB but lower than Modus125. They are kind of like a SPB lite, but not that much lighter ~5g.

[markheardjr]

[quote name='Bamicus' timestamp='1430344746' post='11468401']
Hi Mark , what about 120s as a replacement for DG 300s? Thanks
[/quote]
Technically yes, the 120S is supposed to be a straight over flex. However, due to the soft butt of the 120, most find that it just feels too soft for them. So I have always recommended going up 1 flex. Many here, that liked the feel of the Nippon, have commented that was the correct shift. 120 is not low launch and low spin though, don't move from DG expecting to get lower flight & spin with better feel. You should expect lower initial launch, but if you have a late release or are aggressive with your transition, you may (probably will) spin then more than you want. If you are a early releaser and more of a swinger, not a hitter, then it maybe be a good fit.

[av1084]

[quote name='DTown3011' timestamp='1430351604' post='11469053']
[quote name='av1084' timestamp='1430349302' post='11468859']
54 pages in and I am still contemplating.

Got a chance to get on a monitor with some limited shafts, long story short is I came from I20 with CFS stiff which was too high and too much spin. (Driver SS 108-111)

Picked up some S55s (which I had wanted to get for sometime) with KBS Tour V stiff shafts (thought it would be a good fit as I spun KBS Tour S too much)

Bottom line is I love the results with the Tour V, but not the feel. Results were also essentially similar with DG and KBS Tour X, but feel was better. Modus 120S spun too much for me, but LOVED the feel.

So it seems like an easy answer - modus 120X, right?

The complicating factor is that I also have SPB stiff in my 3 iron, and LOVE that feel and the ball flight. But, I am scared to get SPBs for all my irons because of the weight and issues if I was playing more than 18 a day or practicing a bunch or something.

Are my fears unfounded, and should I just go with the SPB? Or would anyone have insight on SPB comparables that were maybe more lightweight or smoother?

Mark, I know SPB are different from Modus, but where do you see them sitting on the 120-125-130 Modus spectrum?

Thanks in advance to all.
[/quote]

Not knowing your swing but at 108-111, why are you playing S flex? You should be in X all day assuming you don't have a totally early release.
[/quote]

I actually have no idea. I guess I was always scared to try steel X shafts. When I was at the fitting the fitter put me in X everything (KBS Tour, CFS) and he did recommend going to X if I was to change out shafts.

[markheardjr]

[quote name='av1084' timestamp='1430352611' post='11469171']
[quote name='DTown3011' timestamp='1430351604' post='11469053']
[quote name='av1084' timestamp='1430349302' post='11468859']
54 pages in and I am still contemplating.

Got a chance to get on a monitor with some limited shafts, long story short is I came from I20 with CFS stiff which was too high and too much spin. (Driver SS 108-111)

Picked up some S55s (which I had wanted to get for sometime) with KBS Tour V stiff shafts (thought it would be a good fit as I spun KBS Tour S too much)

Bottom line is I love the results with the Tour V, but not the feel. Results were also essentially similar with DG and KBS Tour X, but feel was better. Modus 120S spun too much for me, but LOVED the feel.

So it seems like an easy answer - modus 120X, right?

The complicating factor is that I also have SPB stiff in my 3 iron, and LOVE that feel and the ball flight. But, I am scared to get SPBs for all my irons because of the weight and issues if I was playing more than 18 a day or practicing a bunch or something.

Are my fears unfounded, and should I just go with the SPB? Or would anyone have insight on SPB comparables that were maybe more lightweight or smoother?

Mark, I know SPB are different from Modus, but where do you see them sitting on the 120-125-130 Modus spectrum?

Thanks in advance to all.
[/quote]

Not knowing your swing but at 108-111, why are you playing S flex? You should be in X all day assuming you don't have a totally early release.
[/quote]

I actually have no idea. I guess I was always scared to try steel X shafts. When I was at the fitting the fitter put me in X everything (KBS Tour, CFS) and he did recommend going to X if I was to change out shafts.
[/quote]
If he recommended X in those models, and you are interested in 120, I'd suggest 120TX (which is hard to find) So maybe 120X hard-stepped.

[av1084]

[quote name='markheardjr' timestamp='1430352090' post='11469109']
[quote name='av1084' timestamp='1430349302' post='11468859']
54 pages in and I am still contemplating.

Got a chance to get on a monitor with some limited shafts, long story short is I came from I20 with CFS stiff which was too high and too much spin. (Driver SS 108-111)

Picked up some S55s (which I had wanted to get for sometime) with KBS Tour V stiff shafts (thought it would be a good fit as I spun KBS Tour S too much)

Bottom line is I love the results with the Tour V, but not the feel. Results were also essentially similar with DG and KBS Tour X, but feel was better. Modus 120S spun too much for me, but LOVED the feel.

So it seems like an easy answer - modus 120X, right?

The complicating factor is that I also have SPB stiff in my 3 iron, and LOVE that feel and the ball flight. But, I am scared to get SPBs for all my irons because of the weight and issues if I was playing more than 18 a day or practicing a bunch or something.

Are my fears unfounded, and should I just go with the SPB? Or would anyone have insight on SPB comparables that were maybe more lightweight or smoother?

Mark, I know SPB are different from Modus, but where do you see them sitting on the 120-125-130 Modus spectrum?

Thanks in advance to all.
[/quote]
130 has the butt/mid section of the SPB, but way softer tip. Double hard-stepping a 130 might get you close to a SPB type feel, really shorten up that soft tip section. 130 is also closer to KBS Tour V, but supposedly just a touch firmer feeling & lower spin performance. 120 is going to feel like a noodle compared to SPB because of the softer butt section, also overall the 120 is softer and weighted heavily towards the tip. 125 would be closest I feel. More balanced weighting like the SPB, but will feel lighter. Spin just a bit higher, launch a bit higher.
IMO, the C10 and 2S14 prototypes play very similar to SPB, 125 is closer to SPO or 1150GH Tour with stiffer tip/grip, softer mid.. 130 is kind of like a 1050 but stiffer in butt/middle. 120, I don't know which older model it is like, a far softer butt section than their other shafts. Maybe a heavier 850 type? 850 is said to have a friendlier "more-comfortable" butt seciont. Close to DG I guess.
You may want to check out some Super Peening Oranges or ORA prototypes which are gonna be just a touch higher spin/launch than SPB but lower than Modus125. They are kind of like a SPB lite, but not that much lighter ~5g.
[/quote]

Thanks Mark as always. I think I am definitely going to pull the KBS Tour V. The performance is there, just not the feel, which I am surprised about cause I know a couple of folks who love it.

Ultimately going to decide on SPB stiff or Modus 120X or TX or split the difference.

I could always go back to ghetto DG and move up to X100, but then what would have been the point of following this thread for 54 pages?

[markheardjr]

[quote name='av1084' timestamp='1430353121' post='11469215']

Thanks Mark as always. I think I am definitely going to pull the KBS Tour V. The performance is there, just not the feel, which I am surprised about cause I know a couple of folks who love it.

Ultimately going to decide on SPB stiff or Modus 120X or TX or split the difference.

I could always go back to ghetto DG and move up to X100, but then what would have been the point of following this thread for 54 pages?
[/quote]
Tour V and 130 like it can be a bit "squishy" feeling because the soft tip section. Especially if you go softer, like X100 guys trying 130S. I would suggest, when you can, try the 125's. They will come to retail eventually, I'm pretty sure. They are just so smooth compared to DG. No major rejection kick-back feel DG gives me. My elbows & wrists hurt after just a few swings with DG. Full rounds with both 130 & 125 and nothing. No pain. ORA X flex I felt was even closer to DG and I could feel a little bit of wrist fatigue, but I could manage it if 125's weren't my ticket.

[Bamicus]

[quote name='markheardjr' timestamp='1430352551' post='11469153']
[quote name='Bamicus' timestamp='1430344746' post='11468401']
Hi Mark , what about 120s as a replacement for DG 300s? Thanks
[/quote]
Technically yes, the 120S is supposed to be a straight over flex. However, due to the soft butt of the 120, most find that it just feels too soft for them. So I have always recommended going up 1 flex. Many here, that liked the feel of the Nippon, have commented that was the correct shift. 120 is not low launch and low spin though, don't move from DG expecting to get lower flight & spin with better feel. You should expect lower initial launch, but if you have a late release or are aggressive with your transition, you may (probably will) spin then more than you want. If you are a early releaser and more of a swinger, not a hitter, then it maybe be a good fit.
[/quote]