It just me or are a lot of pros switching to Nippon Iron Shafts?

[MJisGOAT]

Contrary to popular belief the Modus is a golf shaft, not QM (quantum physics). I appreciate the candor though (not that I read any of it). You either play what feels, looks or sounds right. I'm more along the lines of it if it feels right, it feels right. And if it feels right then the other senses will gradually agree, and the numbers will typically justify (confirm) the experience.

[Deuce78]

If I'm going from s300 to 105s can I expect less spin and lower flight ?

 

Since the remark was made of really giving you any info in my last post. Here is the comparison values for the S300 vs 105S. They are from Tom Wishon's shaft software, so you can decide for yourself whether you trust the source of someone that has been doing this for decades.

 

As you can see, from the chart, the 105 is softer all the way through the profile(1 representing the butt section and running through point 6, which is taken 11" from the tip), and would be expected to both launch higher, and spin more, all else being equal for someone with a late enough release to cause a forward bending shaft at impact to effect the dynamic loft.

 

There is also 25g of shaft weight difference, which can also not be discounted. That is a huge difference in terms of weight.

 

 

Where can I look up the numbers and graphs like that. I would be curious to see them for a few shafts I am looking at....105x 130x 125x x100, kbs x, c taper s+. Seems like Everytime I go to a fitting, they don't have a lot of nippon and they put me in kbs x, which I have never played, but have gotten decent numbers in fittings, but I feel like my 130x ss, would be less spin than kbs x, and I just ordered a set with 105x hs, that is coming soon as an experiment.....

[Bogey_Fly_By]

If I'm going from s300 to 105s can I expect less spin and lower flight ?

 

Since the remark was made of really giving you any info in my last post. Here is the comparison values for the S300 vs 105S. They are from Tom Wishon's shaft software, so you can decide for yourself whether you trust the source of someone that has been doing this for decades.

 

As you can see, from the chart, the 105 is softer all the way through the profile(1 representing the butt section and running through point 6, which is taken 11" from the tip), and would be expected to both launch higher, and spin more, all else being equal for someone with a late enough release to cause a forward bending shaft at impact to effect the dynamic loft.

 

There is also 25g of shaft weight difference, which can also not be discounted. That is a huge difference in terms of weight.

 

 

Where can I look up the numbers and graphs like that. I would be curious to see them for a few shafts I am looking at....105x 130x 125x x100, kbs x, c taper s+. Seems like Everytime I go to a fitting, they don't have a lot of nippon and they put me in kbs x, which I have never played, but have gotten decent numbers in fittings, but I feel like my 130x ss, would be less spin than kbs x, and I just ordered a set with 105x hs, that is coming soon as an experiment.....

 

Just throwing it out there 130x is much stiffer than Kbs tour x. My opinion 130s hard stepped 1x is close if not stiffer than Kbs tour x. They are also different profiles as the 130 is much closer to the Kbs tour v.

[Golfrnut]

Where can I look up the numbers and graphs like that. I would be curious to see them for a few shafts I am looking at....105x 130x 125x x100, kbs x, c taper s+. Seems like Everytime I go to a fitting, they don't have a lot of nippon and they put me in kbs x, which I have never played, but have gotten decent numbers in fittings, but I feel like my 130x ss, would be less spin than kbs x, and I just ordered a set with 105x hs, that is coming soon as an experiment.....

 

 

It's from Tom's shaft profiling software that can be purchased from his website.

 

The 125 is not in the database, the others are.

 

 

[jj9000]

My goodness!! I hadn't seen the profile of the Modus3 130x...but, as suggested by several members here, that sucker is a big boy shaft.

 

On paper, it looks to be >2 flexes more stout than the 105x.

 

I've swung the 130s and thought it felt pretty good...but, you'd better eat your Wheaties if you're gonna game the 130x.

 

Anything in the database that compares? X7 maybe?

[neilc]

X7 and px 7.0

[Golfrnut]

I'd have to look, but C-taper X might be comparable as well.

 

No info on the X7 so can't help there.

 

[PapaJohick]

Looking for some advise here please:

 

Current clubs have KBS Tour, SSx1, which I feel fit me well as far a swingspeed, tempo etc go.

 

Based on this thread, I want to try the Nippons- the new clubs I am going to order have the 120, 130 or 950 as options. I know the 130's are not for me, so that leaves the 120 or 950's- the 120's are a $25/upcharge, the 950 are no charge.

 

My thinking is the 120's are similar to my current KBS Tours as far as ballflight and stiffness correct? So I could go 120S SSx1 with no issues?

What about the 950's? Can I expect higher ballflight? and what about the flex: I can't find any info regarding this???

 

Thanks very much.

Mark or any one else who has experience.

 

Playing s300 currently in some blades. ball flight is what I like to see (could be slightly higher but then it's just spliting hairs), but the feel could be better. Never been a big fan of DG feel for the most part. What would the 105x straight in do?

 

would it lower my flight dramatically or would it roughly be the same since the weight is lower and would have a bit more spin?

Simple answer is 125's for both. I started playing the game with s300 and have since played kbs tour, spb, s300 and finally settling on the 125's ssx1 for feel preference. I had a recent stint with some aerotech AMI 99, but after a few weeks of that venture I didn't really see any advantage that graphite offered over steel. Everything is a market for something, but the modus is a legit shaft for the discerning shaftoid. There's really nothing left to be desired in the modus lineup unless you're extremely peculiar about what you think you may or may not feel.

 

Thing is, I am a high ball hitter but I don't have that much speed (95-98 driver) so I do like the lighter shaft. I have played the ST protos in stiff an I did hit those high for the most part. I bought a set of 105x just because of the price haha and I'm wondering if this will lower my flight a tad but not so low I'm losing yards/hitting bullets that won't stop haha

[drvrwdge]

If I want to put the 130s stiff flex in my wedges do I order wedge or 9i shafts?

[Deuce78]

If I want to put the 130s stiff flex in my wedges do I order wedge or 9i shafts?

 

The 130 irons have a wedge iron shaft.

[bhard315]

If I want to put the 130s stiff flex in my wedges do I order wedge or 9i shafts?

I did the 130 wedge shaft in my 52* wedge. I like the feel of it and don't think it is too firm. Hit some pitches and half-swing shots with your PW vs your 9 iron if you're not sure. I personally can't tell a difference in the feel or performance between the 2 but you might.

[drvrwdge]

I have the 130 stiff hsx1 in my irons so was trying to match in the wedges. I guess I could just go straight in for the added softness in the wedges.

[bhard315]

I hardstep mine as well. The slightly softer feel hasn't been anything that has bothered me. Even with hardstepped irons, a standard wedge shaft isn't gonna be too soft make you overspin anything. One thing that I'm considering trying here soon on another gap wedge of mine is putting the 125 stiff wedge shaft in. I like a little lower flight but slightly more spin in my wedges than I do my irons.

[drvrwdge]

I've heard though that the 125 wedge shaft is noticeably more soft with a more pronounced "kick".

[Deuce78]

Maybe you could put in 8 iron 130x? I have the 125 iron wedge shaft, and the WV 125, I would not want the 125 wedge shaft bases off of those two for sure, as I have plenty of spin in the wedges...

[drvrwdge]

Yeah I don't need any more spin.

[markheardjr]

Maybe you could put in 8 iron 130x? I have the 125 iron wedge shaft, and the WV 125, I would not want the 125 wedge shaft bases off of those two for sure, as I have plenty of spin in the wedges...

Even Tiger stepping a 130X is going to feel way stiffer than a 130S 37" shaft hardstepped IMO. 130X is a beast of a shaft.

 

125 Wedge is a little softer in the lower part of the midsection which gives it a little extra pop but is easy to hit low. So you get a low trajectory with a bunch of spin. Like creating ballooning on purpose. For people that don't naturally or with skill create a lot of spin, this might be a good shaft.

 

Tour125 Iron shaft has a little firmer midsection and tip than the wedge shaft so it has a bit more solid feel, tad higher flight and lower spin in my experience. It is a touch firmer on chips/pitches and has a bit more of a "clunky" feel to it. But it is no where near as dead and clunky as the original WV 125.

 

The original WV 125 IMO is a cross between a Tour130X and a Tour125X 37" iron shaft. Very little bend in that wedge shaft, closer to an X100 type feel IMO. I never cared for the weighting or the feel of it. Some do, especially those pairing it with Super Peening Blue shafts.

[drvrwdge]

So Mark, if I want to just use the 130 iron shaft should I just order the 37"? What would be the benefit or doing the 38", that would be soft stepping right?

[ludeatude]

Recently, the shaft in my 8 iron broke when I hit a root that I could not see in front of my ball. I have been curious about Nippons Modus shafts for a while now. Currently I play KBS Tour V xflex. I have played PX 6.5's in the past. I tried them in my TM's but they did not work for me. So, I ordered a Modus 120 xflex for my 8 iron. I was surprised at where the last step in the shaft ended. It was quite a was up towards the grip. I heard they were a little counterbalanced which usually works well for me. Compared to the Tour V the balance point does feel more towards the grip with the Modus. So far the feel of the shaft is great. I have hit some on the range and only a couple of times in a round. I think I might get one in a 4 iron length for more testing.

[markheardjr]

So Mark, if I want to just use the 130 iron shaft should I just order the 37"? What would be the benefit or doing the 38", that would be soft stepping right?

 

Many prefer a softer wedge since they play a lot of shots less than full swing. Softer usually helps elevate with more spin so you get a higher softer shot that has a bit more grab. If you tend to play a lot of full wedge shots, 100% swing, maybe go 37". I do not usually soft-step wedge shafts. My 52° matched my irons as I use it for full swings a lot. My 56 is a Stiff, not an X as I rarely use it 100%.

[RH82]

What would be most comparable to a KBS 120 stiff and a DG Pro S300, a 120S or a 120x?

[pheenomz4774]

I just switched from 950GH to DG Pros and then ultimately Modus 120. Perfect ballflight. Smooth feel and Just at the right weight for my swing. Will be hardpressed to go with another shaft for a long time.

[Hellsing]

I just switched from 950GH to DG Pros and then ultimately Modus 120. Perfect ballflight. Smooth feel and Just at the right weight for my swing. Will be hardpressed to go with another shaft for a long time.

 

I just switched from 950GH to DG Pros and then ultimately Modus 120. Perfect ballflight. Smooth feel and Just at the right weight for my swing. Will be hardpressed to go with another shaft for a long time.

 

What flex in the DG Pro? And 120?

[GC70]

I know this has been answered 100 times! I was looking at the Titleist shaft chart and they have the 105's launching and spinning a lot more then the 120's? Is this true? They even had the 130's launching lower, I'm so confused! I thought they were pretty much the same except weight.

[bluerrpilot]

I know this has been answered 100 times! I was looking at the Titleist shaft chart and they have the 105's launching and spinning a lot more then the 120's? Is this true? They even had the 130's launching lower, I'm so confused! I thought they were pretty much the same except weight.

 

I'm starting to ignore any of these shaft charts...I think that swing differences play a huge part in the characteristics of a shaft. According to that Titleist chart and others, a DGs300 should be low spin and low launch. For me, its the highest spinning shaft I have ever hit.

[Golfrnut]

I know this has been answered 100 times! I was looking at the Titleist shaft chart and they have the 105's launching and spinning a lot more then the 120's? Is this true? They even had the 130's launching lower, I'm so confused! I thought they were pretty much the same except weight.

 

 

See the charts I posted on page 87. 105s are very close to the 950s, which are fairly "soft" in comparison to the other shafts. 120s are in the middle. 130s are pretty stout.

[Golfrnut]

I know this has been answered 100 times! I was looking at the Titleist shaft chart and they have the 105's launching and spinning a lot more then the 120's? Is this true? They even had the 130's launching lower, I'm so confused! I thought they were pretty much the same except weight.

 

I'm starting to ignore any of these shaft charts...I think that swing differences play a huge part in the characteristics of a shaft. According to that Titleist chart and others, a DGs300 should be low spin and low launch. For me, its the highest spinning shaft I have ever hit.

 

 

In the end, very true. The charts(EI and bend profile, not the basic ones from the OEMs) are only good for showing the physical properties of the shafts. They say nothing about how the person swinging it will react to it.

[pheenomz4774]

I just switched from 950GH to DG Pros and then ultimately Modus 120. Perfect ballflight. Smooth feel and Just at the right weight for my swing. Will be hardpressed to go with another shaft for a long time.

 

I just switched from 950GH to DG Pros and then ultimately Modus 120. Perfect ballflight. Smooth feel and Just at the right weight for my swing. Will be hardpressed to go with another shaft for a long time.

 

What flex in the DG Pro? And 120?

 

Stiff in both.

[markheardjr]

I haven't updated this in a while. Figured I'd add in Tour105 and I added a few new tweaks in green.

 

Again there are no numbers to back this up. This is just my personal testing/feeling of these shafts and is meant to align to how I feel the flex of the shaft stiffness is. Performance is not going to necessarily be the same. S400 ssx1 vs. Tour V R flex is going to be pretty different, but the way they feel in my hands are similar in flex. s400 ssx1 should be lower launch and mid spin while Tour V R would be more higher launch and mid spin if I used them. For you, could be different. Just a caveat.

 

Modus / Rifle / DG / KBS

120 R / 105 R ssx1 / 125 R ssx1 / 4.0-4.5 / R200 / KBS Tour R

120 S ssx1 / 105R / 125 R / 4.5-5.0 / R300 / C-Taper Lite R

130 R / 120 S / 125 R hsx1 / 105R hsx1 / 105S ssx1 / 125 S ssx1 / 5.0-5.4 / S200 SSx1 / C-Taper Lite R HSx1, Tour V R

120 S hsx1 / 105 S / 125 S / 5.5 / S200 / S400 ssx1 & S300 ssx1 / C-Taper R, C-Taper Lite S SSX1, KBS Tour S

120 X /105 S hsx1 / 125 S hsx1 / 125 X ssx1 / 6.0-6.4 / S300 & S400 / S200 hsx1 / C-taper S+ / KBS Tour X

130 S / 105 X /125 X / 6.3-6.8 / S400 hsx1, X100, X200 ssx1 / Tour V S hsx1

120 TX / 105 X hsx1 / 125 X hsx1 / 6.5-7.0 / X100 hsx1, X200 / C-Taper X

130 X SSx1 / 7.0-7.1 / DG Tour X7 ssx1 / Tour V 120&125 X

130 X / 7.2+ / X300, DG Tour X7 / C-Taper 130 X

 

 

ssx1 = Soft Step 1 time hsx1 = Hard Step 1 time.

[av1084]

My goodness!! I hadn't seen the profile of the Modus3 130x...but, as suggested by several members here, that sucker is a big boy shaft.

 

On paper, it looks to be >2 flexes more stout than the 105x.

 

I've swung the 130s and thought it felt pretty good...but, you'd better eat your Wheaties if you're gonna game the 130x.

 

Anything in the database that compares? X7 maybe?

 

Possibly a telephone pole.

 

In all seriousness, those shafts really are stout. A buddy of mine didn't trust me and went ahead and got them, only to get rid of them less than two weeks later. One more week and he was going to have elbow replacement surgery.