Blade users thread (NO DEBATING CLUBHEADS! NO Buy Sell Trade!)

[No_Catchy_Nickname]

I had a bit of a long-iron shootout today at the range. I've been getting back into using blade long irons, mostly for practice, but also when I take the persimmons out for some classic golf.

Today I took my RAM TW Custom 1-iron, which I recently reshafted with a Modus 115 S-flex, a Macgregor Muirfield 1-iron, which has what I am sure is a True Temper Dynamic Gold S300 (maybe just Dynamic S), the Muirfield 2i from the same set, and a Mizuno Original 2i with a Precision FM6.5 shaft. Along with these, I took the 3-PW of the Mizuno Originals, which are shafted with DG S300 at +0.5" over standard, so the 3i is the same length as that 2i with the FM6.5.

The two 2-irons

 

 

The two 1-irons

 

Mac 2i at address:

Mac 1i at address:

Mizuno Original at address:

RAM TW Custom 1i at address:

Mizuno Originals in the bag:

 

1-iron soles. The photo is a bit deceptive, as the RAM is maybe a smidge more compact than the Muirfield:

 

The 2i soles. The Muirfield makes the Mizuno look massive!

 

So, in both the 1 and 2 irons, the Mac Muirfields came out on top. Kinda surprising.

 

I didn't get on with the Modus shaft in the RAM, and hit most of my shots "slappy" with it. I was a bit surprised by this because it's not supposed to be that different from a DG shaft.

 

The Mizuno Original was also a struggle, but I put much of that down to the hard, slippery grip. I'm probably going to change the shaft out, so I didn't bother changing the grip it came with. After today's testing, I'm going to stick a regular DG S300 like I have in my Muirfields, at a length to match the rest of my Originals. Incidentally, I was hitting the 3i in the set beautifully.

 

The Muirfield 2i was surprisingly good off the deck (mat), and I even managed one excellent 1-iron off the deck...out of three attempts.

 

The best thing about practising like this is that it gives me more confidence when I hit the regular long irons, like the 3 and 4 irons, and also helps me with the Mizuno Fli-Hi I have in my modern setup. After practising with the old blade 1 and 2-irons today, I found the carbon-shafted Fli-hi so easy to hit. The shaft length is about the same as the 2i, and the loft is 22*; it flies higher and longer than the blades, but I expect the blades will get more rollout from their lower trajectory. 

 

 

[No_Catchy_Nickname]

Quick follow-up to the previous post. I had a chance to check the loft and lie of the Mizuno Original 2i today. 

 

No wonder I was struggling with it. The lie was 56 degrees. For reference, I set the 3i (which is the same length as the 2i) at 60 degrees.

After bending it more upright, I was finding the sweet spot, but still need to change the shaft. FM 6.5 is a little too much for me in a long iron.

[NRJyzr]

Spent a couple weeks, and several rounds, playing those Dual Length irons from Pinhawk that I mentioned earlier.  Decided to finish the season playing what I'm more accustomed to, put the Purefit 1020 blades back in my bag.  

 

Played a couple days ago, temperature was 40*F/5C at our tee time with an 8-10 mph wind from the northwest.  We went off on #10, which plays to the west.  First shot with irons, I'm hitting a 5i due to the cold, not being warmed up, and that breeze.  Hit a tiny little draw right at the flag.

 

I hadn't been seeing as much of that over the last couple weeks.  Boy did I miss them.  🙂

 

No, I didn't make the 15 footer for birdie.  LOL

 

I'd also brought along my two test 986 Tour clubheads, with Modus3 105 shafts.  I forced them into play a couple times, including some shots where I should have hit an extra club.  They're really quite sporty.  Lovely feel, and just love that set up with no offset.  

 

Supposed to be playing today, with high temp forecasted at 50F/10C, but the wind is supposed to pick up in the afternoon to 25 mph, with gusts to 40mph, if not more.  At least one of my group is considering not playing, but I may have to go, if only to get at least nine holes in before the wind goes to stupid levels.  I likely won't get much more in the way of chances this season.

 

I may take out my Ram TW282 set, though.  Haven't played them much this year.  Maybe even take the 1 iron out.  Oh my!

 

Edited November 6, 2022 by NRJyzr

[bobbyclampett!!]

I track my stats on an app. Have gone from -1.6ish strokes gained approach relative to scratch to +1.5 strokes gained approach since changing from i200s to P7MBs. I am loving them. Love the look, the size, the thin soles, no offset. I just have a much better feel for where the club face is throughout the swing and I focus so much more on catching ball first with a negative angle of attack and compressing it. I also don’t understand combo sets. Have always loved bladed long irons. 

[Nard_S]

4 hours ago, bobbyclampett!! said:

I also don’t understand combo sets. Have always loved bladed long irons

I don't either. The MB long iron is an asset off the tee or from a good lie. Or from under trees, lol. Short par 4's, tight ones or doglegs, nothing better. Solid approach club on par 5's too.

Having really great success with old driver. MP 650. 10* w/ 76g shaft. Going deep into fairways. PXG tested shaft weights and Ian did better with 86g shaft over 45. He carries a 50g too.

Titles 681's are back in bag, just for fun, forgot how good they work for me.

Golf year was nothing special but nothing terrible too. Work has dominated my everyday for past year. I have had little time to enjoy the pursuit. Hope I can get back to that again,because playing "average" sucks. I need reps to play over my head, because I stink. A plus guy joined us this season, pretty impressive and fun. Has great ball speed but his distance control is crazy good. Can stiff it from anywhere.

[No_Catchy_Nickname]

MB long irons....fun to hit well playing well, but a disaster zone if not.

 

I've worked on my long iron play a lot this year, and have bagged my MP4 4i instead of my #4 Fli-hi a few times. I've even had some good results with it. BUT, the Fli-hi lets me get away with more.

 

When I play persimmon and blades, I bag a 1i or 2i for fun. For me, I have to say hitting a one-iron is NOT a smart play, but I still do it for fun and hope I can hit a shot for the memory bank.

 

Two-irons, on the other hand, aren't so bad. Hit a good one just yesterday off the tee on a tight par 4 which requires a lay up. Put me in the perfect spot to pitch on, and I went on to set up a birdie putt...which lipped out.

 

There are, I think, six big advances in golf technology over the last 30 years that have made the game easier (in ascending order):

6) Lighter shafts

5) Hollow-bodied long irons

4) More sole/bounce options with wedges 

3) Hybrids

2) Solid golf balls that actually spin

1) Massive driver heads

 

Now, I see a lot of dislike for hybrids on this site, but let's face it, the vast majority of golfers are going to fare better with a 22* hybrid than a 22* blade iron.

I'll also admit that hollow-bodied long irons are more forgiving than blades...but in testing I've found that it's not actually that much of a difference. The big difference is that a mishit with a hollow-body doesn't feel as bad as one with a blade.

 

I love nutting a blade long-iron...but off the turf I think it's one of the hardest shots in golf.

 

[NRJyzr]

Speaking of 1 irons...

 

I did take my Ram TW282 set to the course yesterday, and went full 1-SW.  I admit I don't hit a 1i well off the deck anymore, it's generally just a tee club for me these days.  I don't find it too tough to hit the 2i,  but its just 19* or 20*; in modern terms, it's a 4 iron.

 

There are two issues switching to these TW282s.  One is they are rather sharp with the leading edge.  I was making some lovely divots with them yesterday.  The other is that they are visually intimidating.  They have a *very* squared off toe, to the point it looks like someone cut off the toe of the clubhead with a chop saw.  It takes a bit to adjust to that.

 

Getting back to the 1 iron, I hit it several times yesterday.  Once or twice off the deck, one of which was with fat contact.  Off the tee, it was lovely.  Hit a quite good tee shot on our water-interrupted par 5 hole, and also on the into the wind long par 3, which was the very next hole.  

 

The only downside of the latter shot was that it went completely through the wind.  It was quartering in, 25-30 mph, and I aimed right of the green to allow for drift from the wind.  There was no drift, wound up in the greenside mini pot bunker.  Oh well.

 

Side note, I made yesterday's round a full 90s retro round.  Cobra Deep Face driver and J's Professional Weapon 3w.  It was great fun.  

 

[Nard_S]

I will say I try to max out #5i and #4i in practice & play. Use a #3i sparingly. Maybe 3X a round. Long irons need reps. They are a bit their own thing. I work to #4i  a lot but not #3i and never #2i. Gapping needs to be real down there. Comfortable getting full pop w/ 4i off deck and 3i off tee.  If conditions are right will use a 3i over a 5w all day. Still higher percentage play for me. But I'm weak with lofted fairways, always been.

 

Also depends on type of course or even conditions. Dry and windy, iron, soggy and soft, metal. Play a course that demands a money 225 shot, carry three clubs that can cover that yet I have not nailed that down.

[BagofToast]

4 hours ago, No_Catchy_Nickname said:

MB long irons....fun to hit well playing well, but a disaster zone if not.

 

I've worked on my long iron play a lot this year, and have bagged my MP4 4i instead of my #4 Fli-hi a few times. I've even had some good results with it. BUT, the Fli-hi lets me get away with more.

 

When I play persimmon and blades, I bag a 1i or 2i for fun. For me, I have to say hitting a one-iron is NOT a smart play, but I still do it for fun and hope I can hit a shot for the memory bank.

 

Two-irons, on the other hand, aren't so bad. Hit a good one just yesterday off the tee on a tight par 4 which requires a lay up. Put me in the perfect spot to pitch on, and I went on to set up a birdie putt...which lipped out.

 

There are, I think, six big advances in golf technology over the last 30 years that have made the game easier (in ascending order):

6) Lighter shafts

5) Hollow-bodied long irons

4) More sole/bounce options with wedges 

3) Hybrids

2) Solid golf balls that actually spin

1) Massive driver heads

 

Now, I see a lot of dislike for hybrids on this site, but let's face it, the vast majority of golfers are going to fare better with a 22* hybrid than a 22* blade iron.

I'll also admit that hollow-bodied long irons are more forgiving than blades...but in testing I've found that it's not actually that much of a difference. The big difference is that a mishit with a hollow-body doesn't feel as bad as one with a blade.

 

I love nutting a blade long-iron...but off the turf I think it's one of the hardest shots in golf.

 

Blades are fun, have tried multiple long irons to replace the 3 and 4 with only the 3 replacement sticking. I've tried a couple hyrbids over the years just for the heck of it as I'm not too big a fan of them. 

 

I can't speak for everyone on hybrids but I think the main reason for the dislike of hybrids is lack of control. There is a sense with an iron that you know where its going to go as opposed to a hybrid. Hybrids feel like they could go anywhere if I mishit it.

[Pastit]

8 minutes ago, BagofToast said:

Blades are fun, have tried multiple long irons to replace the 3 and 4 with only the 3 replacement sticking. I've tried a couple hyrbids over the years just for the heck of it as I'm not too big a fan of them. 

 

I can't speak for everyone on hybrids but I think the main reason for the dislike of hybrids is lack of control. There is a sense with an iron that you know where its going to go as opposed to a hybrid. Hybrids feel like they could go anywhere if I mishit it.

 I recommend you get a hold of an old Adams Hybrid, XD Ti in 18, 20 or 23 D, with a stiff Matrix Altus. I’ve used numerous hybrid types, nothing to touch these and cheap too as obsolete. Look for a good head with some grooves left.  

[NRJyzr]

51 minutes ago, BagofToast said:

I can't speak for everyone on hybrids but I think the main reason for the dislike of hybrids is lack of control. There is a sense with an iron that you know where its going to go as opposed to a hybrid. Hybrids feel like they could go anywhere if I mishit it.

 

There's something to what you're saying.  Personally, I've felt like a large portion of that lack of control is due to the club length, as hybrids are longer than the irons they replace, and the shafts generally used, which tend to be fairly light.

 

I found one way around the shaft issue was to use graphite iron shafts of a similar weight to the iron set I'd been using.  I would also try to play them shorter than "standard" hybrid lengths, though not to the point of the irons they might be replacing.  Considerable lead tape would be in play, but it's less easy to apply than on the back of an iron clubhead, or a driver.

 

[Nard_S]

57 minutes ago, BagofToast said:

There is a sense with an iron that you know where its going to go as opposed to a hybrid. Hybrids feel like they could go anywhere if I mishit it.

How I feel about fairways in general too. Iron, I know the path and can hold it, woods, I'm starting to gain that but still not enough. 

[RolandofGilead]

I recently educated myself about the classic Wilson Staff blade history. This came on after I bought a set of ‘76 Staff blades for $40 at a local Play It Again Sports. I had been wanting a slightly older backup set for awhile and liked the Staffs so much that I decided to pick out a W/S model to buy. I settled on the 1987-88 Fluid Feels because they are a birth year set for me (1987) and I love that the muscle pad is higher than the models that immediately precedes them (Line Over Staff blades, FG-17). 
 

 

I am going to play the FF’s this winter once I’ve had time to check swing weight and make any necessary adjustments. They are great irons with a more solid, powerful thud feel than my ‘99 Hogan Apex set. The Hogans are still my primary set for now, and I just stripped the paint fill on them. The clean look really suits my eye (for now). I hit 13 GIRs with this bag last Friday. Looking forward to winter golf - the courses stop watering and the grounds really firms up.

 

[bobbyclampett!!]

14 hours ago, RolandofGilead said:

I recently educated myself about the classic Wilson Staff blade history. This came on after I bought a set of ‘76 Staff blades for $40 at a local Play It Again Sports. I had been wanting a slightly older backup set for awhile and liked the Staffs so much that I decided to pick out a W/S model to buy. I settled on the 1987-88 Fluid Feels because they are a birth year set for me (1987) and I love that the muscle pad is higher than the models that immediately precedes them (Line Over Staff blades, FG-17). 
 

 

I am going to play the FF’s this winter once I’ve had time to check swing weight and make any necessary adjustments. They are great irons with a more solid, powerful thud feel than my ‘99 Hogan Apex set. The Hogans are still my primary set for now, and I just stripped the paint fill on them. The clean look really suits my eye (for now). I hit 13 GIRs with this bag last Friday. Looking forward to winter golf - the courses stop watering and the grounds really firms up.

 

Those Hogans look sweet. 

[Christen_The_Sloop]

I pulled these guys out and cleaned them up a little. Found a nice white sponge thing that gets the brown off the face, you can see it in the second pic. As for performance., these are right up there. The long irons are really accurate. They pair pretty well with the s300. 

 

As for hybrids in the last few posts, man I feel it. The struggle is real. Filling the spot between my 4-iron and my 4-wood has been really difficult. Part of me thinks the hybrid is the way to go, just for ease. But, then the devil on the other side whispers "what about the feeling of a pure long iron.' And then i start making compromises, "What is there between the hybrid and the long iron?" So, I've picked up a few more options recently - A Royal Collection BBD Ti 20 degree hybrid. But, just the head... I need to find a .350 hosel graphite shaft for it. It is .350... I am sure I can get a .355 that fits too, so thinking Diamana Thump. I also picked up a Honma TW727 and it's great, but it might go a little too far, so then I have to look at changing my 4wood out. That club (another Royal Collection BBD TI) is pretty much a fixture.... And then there are the new JPX fli-hi hybrids... Mostly I will be hitting the 20 degree off a tee. I can see once maybe twice a round where I would need to hit it off a fairway. 

 

look at those Tommy Armours though...  Custom? I don't know. I've never seen another set in the wild...

 

the final pick there is from the TOTO Japan Classic last week. Great course, nice day... I think Ariya Jutanagarn was hitting her approach there.

 

 

Edited November 11, 2022 by Christen_The_Sloop

[NRJyzr]

Custom grind 986 Tours?

[Nard_S]

Sweet baby Jesus.

[No_Catchy_Nickname]

On 11/8/2022 at 10:32 PM, BagofToast said:

Blades are fun, have tried multiple long irons to replace the 3 and 4 with only the 3 replacement sticking. I've tried a couple hyrbids over the years just for the heck of it as I'm not too big a fan of them. 

 

I can't speak for everyone on hybrids but I think the main reason for the dislike of hybrids is lack of control. There is a sense with an iron that you know where its going to go as opposed to a hybrid. Hybrids feel like they could go anywhere if I mishit it.

 

I can understand that, but I still think the majority of golfers are going to get better results more of the time hitting a hybrid than a long iron. For what it's worth, I'm thinking of hybrid versus 3 or 4 iron (20~25 degree range).

I also agree a lot with what @NRJyzr said about the weight of the shaft being a factor. Years ago, I put a 115X Thump in a 24* hybrid, a Titleist 910, and that was a very good combination (may have been 105X. It was a good few years ago now).

 

I have one hybrid, a RoMaro 23* with a 80-something gram shaft. I find it's a great club when I'm not playing well. When I'm playing well, I swap it out for a Mizuno Fli-hi #4, or, if I'm feeling lucky the 4i from the set I'm using.

 

Edit: just looked up Diamana Thump specs. I think what I had was the Thump h100 hybrid shaft. I definitely remember it being a three-figure number.

Edited November 11, 2022 by No_Catchy_Nickname

[bobfoster]

I always get puzzled at these threads. When I started playing (60s) there wasn't blades v. GI v. SGI, there were just clubs. Pretty much all of which these days would be referred to as blades. Have no idea what those terms mean anymore, there are so many nuances. I currently game MP-20 MMCs. No idea how to categorize that. Is it a GI (don't think anyone would call it that). Is it a pure blade? (Don't think any purist would call it that.)                             

 

I think golf technology has advanced far beyond the simplistic blade/GI/SGI categories. A few clubs fit cleanly there, but many just do not.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              

[bobfoster]

48 minutes ago, No_Catchy_Nickname said:

 

I can understand that, but I still think the majority of golfers are going to get better results more of the time hitting a hybrid than a long iron. For what it's worth, I'm thinking of hybrid versus 3 or 4 iron (20~25 degree range).

I also agree a lot with what @NRJyzr said about the weight of the shaft being a factor. Years ago, I put a 115X Thump in a 24* hybrid, a Titleist 910, and that was a very good combination (may have been 105X. It was a good few years ago now).

 

I have one hybrid, a RoMaro 23* with a 80-something gram shaft. I find it's a great club when I'm not playing well. When I'm playing well, I swap it out for a Mizuno Fli-hi #4, or, if I'm feeling lucky the 4i from the set I'm using.

 

 

In practical terms, I think more in terms of shot shape than distance. I have a 21* Hybrid, and a 22* 3i. Seems redundant. But they are very different clubs in terms of ball flight. They are my 180* - 200* clubs. I find it really easy to fade it right off the fairway with the Hybrid. But if I'm in rough (same distance) I can draw in left around a corner with far more precision with an iron.

[Christen_The_Sloop]

31 minutes ago, No_Catchy_Nickname said:

 

I can understand that, but I still think the majority of golfers are going to get better results more of the time hitting a hybrid than a long iron. For what it's worth, I'm thinking of hybrid versus 3 or 4 iron (20~25 degree range).

I also agree a lot with what @NRJyzr said about the weight of the shaft being a factor. Years ago, I put a 115X Thump in a 24* hybrid, a Titleist 910, and that was a very good combination (may have been 105X. It was a good few years ago now).

 

I have one hybrid, a RoMaro 23* with a 80-something gram shaft. I find it's a great club when I'm not playing well. When I'm playing well, I swap it out for a Mizuno Fli-hi #4, or, if I'm feeling lucky the 4i from the set I'm using.

 

Edit: just looked up Diamana Thump specs. I think what I had was the Thump h100 hybrid shaft. I definitely remember it being a three-figure number.

 

I have a 90 or 95 gram Diamana Thump X in a Mizuno CLK. It's a 4u 22 degrees. It's almost perfect, but it goes about the same as my 24 degree four iron... I ought to leave it and come back, but I might pull the shaft and put it in the RC Hybrid.

[No_Catchy_Nickname]

40 minutes ago, bobfoster said:

In practical terms, I think more in terms of shot shape than distance. I have a 21* Hybrid, and a 22* 3i. Seems redundant. But they are very different clubs in terms of ball flight. They are my 180* - 200* clubs. I find it really easy to fade it right off the fairway with the Hybrid. But if I'm in rough (same distance) I can draw in left around a corner with far more precision with an iron.

 

Earlier this year, I was bagging both my 23* hybrid and Fli-Hi #4, for slightly similar reasons. The hybrid was easier off the fairway, and a good rescue club; the Fli-hi was a better tee-shot club. 

However, I found I wasn't using the Fli-hi much, so I dropped it for an extra wedge. Then, I started hitting the Fli-hi better in practice than the hybrid, so out went the hybrid and in went the Fli-hi.

But, yes, if I drop the lob wedge, I can quite happily play both the hybrid and Fli-hi, though it's unlikely that I will hit both in the same round.

 

24 minutes ago, Christen_The_Sloop said:

 

I have a 90 or 95 gram Diamana Thump X in a Mizuno CLK. It's a 4u 22 degrees. It's almost perfect, but it goes about the same as my 24 degree four iron... I ought to leave it and come back, but I might pull the shaft and put it in the RC Hybrid.

 

Interesting that you're getting the same distance from the higher lofted 4i. I found my hybrid to be if anything slightly longer than my Fli-hi, though there's not much in it. Lofts are about the same: 23 degrees in the hybrid, 22.5 in the Fli-hi. 

[Christen_The_Sloop]

14 minutes ago, No_Catchy_Nickname said:

 

Earlier this year, I was bagging both my 23* hybrid and Fli-Hi #4, for slightly similar reasons. The hybrid was easier off the fairway, and a good rescue club; the Fli-hi was a better tee-shot club. 

However, I found I wasn't using the Fli-hi much, so I dropped it for an extra wedge. Then, I started hitting the Fli-hi better in practice than the hybrid, so out went the hybrid and in went the Fli-hi.

But, yes, if I drop the lob wedge, I can quite happily play both the hybrid and Fli-hi, though it's unlikely that I will hit both in the same round.

 

 

Interesting that you're getting the same distance from the higher lofted 4i. I found my hybrid to be if anything slightly longer than my Fli-hi, though there's not much in it. Lofts are about the same: 23 degrees in the hybrid, 22.5 in the Fli-hi. 

The hybrid flies higher, stops quicker. 4 iron runs out a little more. Altogether it's around a 5-10 yard difference depending on conditions. I'd like it to be 10-15. So, were splitting hairs quite a bit. I find I have to be extremely precise in the clubs I use off the tee a lot of times, as I am sure you know well.

[No_Catchy_Nickname]

7 hours ago, Christen_The_Sloop said:

The hybrid flies higher, stops quicker. 4 iron runs out a little more. Altogether it's around a 5-10 yard difference depending on conditions. I'd like it to be 10-15. So, were splitting hairs quite a bit. I find I have to be extremely precise in the clubs I use off the tee a lot of times, as I am sure you know well.

 

Oh, yeah! The accurate 220~240 tee shot club is essential around here, too.

 

The run-out is a good point. When I was testing the hybrid vs Fli-hi, the fairways were soft (rainy season), and the hybrid carried further. With the fine, dry spell we've had recently, I suspect the Fli-hi will go further.

[NRJyzr]

Random comment time  🙂

 

Was surfing 2nd Swing, as one does when it's officially the golf-offseason in Minnesota.  Was looking at Cobra blade options, saw they have a few sets of the Pro MB from 2008.

 

 

Explored farther down the path of randomness, went to the USGA Club database, and sure enough, this particular set is conforming under the (needless) groove rule.

 

How about that?  🙂

 

[boggyman]

27 minutes ago, NRJyzr said:

Random comment time  🙂

 

Was surfing 2nd Swing, as one does when it's officially the golf-offseason in Minnesota.  Was looking at Cobra blade options, saw they have a few sets of the Pro MB from 2008.

 

 

Explored farther down the path of randomness, went to the USGA Club database, and sure enough, this particular set is conforming under the (needless) groove rule.

 

How about that?  🙂

 

If those are as sweet as the CB from that era, they’ll be awesome sticks…..

[Kingcat990]

Cobra has always had a dark horse set iteration after iteration over the years. The pro MB's we're no exception, as well as the amp cells that came after them. 

[Christen_The_Sloop]

7 hours ago, NRJyzr said:

Random comment time  🙂

 

Was surfing 2nd Swing, as one does when it's officially the golf-offseason in Minnesota.  Was looking at Cobra blade options, saw they have a few sets of the Pro MB from 2008.

 

 

Explored farther down the path of randomness, went to the USGA Club database, and sure enough, this particular set is conforming under the (needless) groove rule.

 

How about that?  🙂

 

 

That data base and the groove rule is (your choice of expletives).

 

Although, I have a reason to buy a new set soon.

[SollyinGA]

I picked up a new fitted set of Mizuno 221s with Modus Tour 115 X flex shafts 3-P. 
 

My gamers are Mizuno 223s which feel really nice, the the 221s are even better.

 

The 221s are harder to hit constantly, but it’s not a huge difference from 7-P. 
 

They’ll stay in my sim room until the spring most likely as I adjust, but I can see me combing them with my 223s.

[Nard_S]

Haha!