Edel Single Length Irons

[tyro]

Flop

 

This is about as bad as releasing Bubba Watson spec'd clubs to the public.

 

Aren't they like 10 degrees open or something?! I love it! Only Bubba... :)

[rgk5]

Flop

 

This is about as bad as releasing Bubba Watson spec'd clubs to the public.

 

Aren't they like 10 degrees open or something?! I love it! Only Bubba... :)

 

10 degrees open? :swoon: The grips are set up well open, not the heads on the irons.

[JGalls]

It's something I'd love to go through the fitting process for. The concept makes sense to me.

[ne26]

It's something I'd love to go through the fitting process for. The concept makes sense to me.

Same here. I'm at least going to see what it's like.

[Klap]

http://www.golf.com/...page=4&simple=1

 

"Edel has found a middle ground with the fitting system for single-length irons he is introducing at this week's PGA Show in Orlando. This will be the delivery system for bringing DeChambeau's clubs to the masses. Each kit will have 30 shafts weighing between 80 and 135 grams, in 4-, 6- and 8-iron lengths. There will be three heads and a dozen grips. Edel and Schy will start beta-testing the system after the show, in hopes of delivering to consumers their own sets as early as April. The tentative price is $225 a club. Edel hopes to train an army of qualified fitters, but for now he is moving cautiously."

 

Not only the concept of having the same swing for each iron makes this great, it actually is the first real fitting!

 

A normal set is build for one average body. Fitting is, in most cases, a compromise to that one design. Changing loft, lie and shaft messes with that original design. The MOI will change, the overal weight etc. If you change the common fitting parameters you'll have to change much more. Head weights will not match the new specs, the shafts will play different than designed for. The big companies, and to many so called fitters, don't take these things into acount.

 

With the different heads, matched to the different lengths this will be the first set available to the masses that can be a close fit for the really big and small players amongst us.

 

As a 7 footer, that single lenght set based on a 4 iron will be a no brainer, I am in;)

[Klap]

I'm a little curious about the yardage on the long irons with a SL concept. Looking at DeChambeau's 4-iron at the show, it just looked so unusual because it was so short. I wasn't used to seeing a low lofted club like that be so short in length.

 

 

 

 

 

 

RH

 

I play clubs at 1/4" increments (SL was not really possible with heads available today.) and was worried about this as well. When I started playing this set the gaps seemed about a yard smaller, not much. (I liked the extra precision) But somehow the gaps grew again as I got more used to the set.

 

I actually hit the longer wedges a bit shorter and the standard length 3 iron a bit longer compared with, same type, normal sets of the past. (I don't really understand that part but it happens.)

 

Ball contact did become more consistant, maybe that has to do with it.

 

So I hope Edel will trust our adaptive abilities and not make much bigger gappings between lofts;)

[Tcann32]

I wonder what distance loses on average I would lose on 3 thru 5 iron ? And my 9 iron now flies 150 yards so with the extra length how far does it fly now? I know Bryson is tall and he stands more upright than most so he makes it work phenomenally.

 

You don't really necessarily lose or gain anything.. The lofts are not going to be similar to what you'd find in a stock set. It'd be really difficult to buy a single length set otr and have it work I would have to think. Long irons are stronger loft and short irons are weaker lofts, and head weights are a good bit different with anything I've seen.

 

Even so, in my last set I played my 4-5-6 all at the same length as my 6i. Took some lead tape to get the sw and feel back to normal, but all things equal, maybe lost a half club on the 4i comparing a flushed shot to a flushed shot with the reg length shaft, but the consistency made up for the thought of lost distance. Didn't lose anything in the 5i.

[mvhoffman]

this past weekend my SW was my go to club... saved me 10 strokes. SW length set... lol

[neilc]

Look at www.sterlingirons.com

 

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[ronbo]

Look at www.sterlingirons.com

 

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Great Video, Cobra is going to kill it when they come out with there single length set....Makes sense...

[mvhoffman]

The length of play I believe will extend even more to the older population with a single length club. Less traumatic to the players body with a constant height/length/weight. A less complex look than Bryson had performed, but it seems to be a sign of things to come as long as there are proper fittings completed in order to purchase. These should not be an off the rack purchase in my opinion.

[Budman]

My 14 year old is just starting golf. Pretty sure I'm going to build him a set of the Wishons.

[bereagolfer08]

I wonder what distance loses on average I would lose on 3 thru 5 iron ? And my 9 iron now flies 150 yards so with the extra length how far does it fly now? I know Bryson is tall and he stands more upright than most so he makes it work phenomenally.

 

You don't really necessarily lose or gain anything.. The lofts are not going to be similar to what you'd find in a stock set. It'd be really difficult to buy a single length set otr and have it work I would have to think. Long irons are stronger loft and short irons are weaker lofts, and head weights are a good bit different with anything I've seen.

 

Even so, in my last set I played my 4-5-6 all at the same length as my 6i. Took some lead tape to get the sw and feel back to normal, but all things equal, maybe lost a half club on the 4i comparing a flushed shot to a flushed shot with the reg length shaft, but the consistency made up for the thought of lost distance. Didn't lose anything in the 5i.

 

they would fix the distance gaps by adjusting the loft of the clubs

[neilc]

Its not something you can do in a couple weeks

 

Tom took 2 years plus to get it right.

 

Would not be surprised if Cobra make something very similar.

 

Would love to see Dechambau playing Wishon irons!

 

 

 

[rmonz]

Why is everyone saying the swing needs to mirror bryson.. that is false. Bryson has 74* lie angle on all clubs. That is why he swings so upright. Take your 6 iron and see what the specs are. All they are doing is matching those specs with different lofts to get the proper gapping. This can and will work with iron. Now that sand wedge is a different story. It is amazing how good his short game is using that method on his sw.

The swing weight can be adjusted in a similar fashion to pxg's tungsten screws or plain old lead tape

[mvhoffman]

This, AGAIN, is why I believe that you should have to get fitted before just purchasing a set of single length. Maybe if someone came up with a universal fitting dynamic (like getting fit for a tux, go anywhere, call in specs, boom done) people can get fitted for these anywhere as long as the specific details are filled out.

[RichieHunt]

I just got a Wishon Sterling Single Length 5-iron and assembled it and hit it yesterday.

 

I figured that if the 5-iron wasn't that good, then I don't need to bother with the rest of the set. I had a spare S400 shaft 8-iron shaft laying around and I installed that into the club and it came out to 37" long.

 

The 5-iron is really a 4-iron as it is at 23 degrees loft (4-iron loft).

 

The 5-iron (and I'm presuming the 6 and 7-irons) is more or less a GI style design. I play to a +2/+3 and I'm a blades player. However, I don't have a problem with having CB's in a longer iron.

 

The Wishon 5-iron was very clicky like you get out of GI irons. Big head. About 3-1/4" from heel to toe (my Srixon Z945 4-iron is 3" from heel-to-toe), it's also a taller clubhead, about 2-1/8" (Sirxon is 2").

 

There's a good amount of offset in the Wishon Sterling 5-iron as well. The spec sheet says 4mm offset in the 5-iron and then it reduces.

 

My assumption is that as the Sterling irons progress, the club looks less like a GI and more like a player's CB.

 

The most common complaints I've heard about the Single Length concept is that the long irons don't carry far enough and have too low of a trajectory. And that affects the yardage gapping.

 

Trajectory was not an issue in the slightest with the 5-iron. In fact, I was amazed at how easy it was to hit the 5-iron.

 

Going into it, I thought that the Single Length Concept would make it easier to be more consistent with your swing mechanics. That may be true, but what I found as beneficial was how straight the ball went and it was difficult to get too much curve on it.

 

I just bought the Srixon Z945's (got them the day before I got the 5-iron). I hit the Srixon's about 1-club longer than my old clubs. But despite that, I am now going to have to give the Wishon Sterling irons serious consideration.

 

I think I hit my Srixon 4-iron further than the 23-degree loft Wishon Sterling iron. How much more, I'm not sure since I was hitting it on the range with range balls. So, I will have to test them out on the course, soon. But, it's so much easier to hit and control the Wishon Sterling iron. I'll have to take them both out on the course and see what's going on yardage wise with Titleist Pro V1x. As long as I'm not losing too much yardage, the Wishon Sterling irons are worth investigating even more because of how easy they are to hit and to control.

 

 

 

 

 

RH

[Tcann32]

I just got a Wishon Sterling Single Length 5-iron and assembled it and hit it yesterday.

 

I figured that if the 5-iron wasn't that good, then I don't need to bother with the rest of the set. I had a spare S400 shaft 8-iron shaft laying around and I installed that into the club and it came out to 37" long.

 

The 5-iron is really a 4-iron as it is at 23 degrees loft (4-iron loft).

 

The 5-iron (and I'm presuming the 6 and 7-irons) is more or less a GI style design. I play to a +2/+3 and I'm a blades player. However, I don't have a problem with having CB's in a longer iron.

 

The Wishon 5-iron was very clicky like you get out of GI irons. Big head. About 3-1/4" from heel to toe (my Srixon Z945 4-iron is 3" from heel-to-toe), it's also a taller clubhead, about 2-1/8" (Sirxon is 2").

 

There's a good amount of offset in the Wishon Sterling 5-iron as well. The spec sheet says 4mm offset in the 5-iron and then it reduces.

 

My assumption is that as the Sterling irons progress, the club looks less like a GI and more like a player's CB.

 

The most common complaints I've heard about the Single Length concept is that the long irons don't carry far enough and have too low of a trajectory. And that affects the yardage gapping.

 

Trajectory was not an issue in the slightest with the 5-iron. In fact, I was amazed at how easy it was to hit the 5-iron.

 

Going into it, I thought that the Single Length Concept would make it easier to be more consistent with your swing mechanics. That may be true, but what I found as beneficial was how straight the ball went and it was difficult to get too much curve on it.

 

I just bought the Srixon Z945's (got them the day before I got the 5-iron). I hit the Srixon's about 1-club longer than my old clubs. But despite that, I am now going to have to give the Wishon Sterling irons serious consideration.

 

I think I hit my Srixon 4-iron further than the 23-degree loft Wishon Sterling iron. How much more, I'm not sure since I was hitting it on the range with range balls. So, I will have to test them out on the course, soon. But, it's so much easier to hit and control the Wishon Sterling iron. I'll have to take them both out on the course and see what's going on yardage wise with Titleist Pro V1x. As long as I'm not losing too much yardage, the Wishon Sterling irons are worth investigating even more because of how easy they are to hit and to control.

 

 

 

 

 

RH

 

Great post!

 

I didn't notice anything in your post, or any of the other higher level overviews on this type of set having to do with the tipping of the shafts. All is well and good in the area of length, but wouldn't an 8i shaft in a 5i be like hard-stepping 3x?

 

I suppose that'd be somewhere in the realm of playing an X100 anyways, maybe a little less than half a flex stiffer than an x100. Obviously don't quote me on that. I'm just guessing that's what the stiffness would come close to.

 

Outside of that, I think you found what I found when playing my 4,5, & 6i at the same length. Any loss in distance was well worth the gain in accuracy. Until I can flush a 4i every time, playing the long irons a bit shorter will always be something I am on the fence of doing again.

[RichieHunt]

I didn't notice anything in your post, or any of the other higher level overviews on this type of set having to do with the tipping of the shafts. All is well and good in the area of length, but wouldn't an 8i shaft in a 5i be like hard-stepping 3x?

 

I suppose that'd be somewhere in the realm of playing an X100 anyways, maybe a little less than half a flex stiffer than an x100. Obviously don't quote me on that. I'm just guessing that's what the stiffness would come close to.

 

Outside of that, I think you found what I found when playing my 4,5, & 6i at the same length. Any loss in distance was well worth the gain in accuracy. Until I can flush a 4i every time, playing the long irons a bit shorter will always be something I am on the fence of doing again.

 

You don't hard step. You just take 8-iron shafts and put them in all of the clubs.

 

Hard Stepping and Soft Stepping is a bit of a myth anyway. But, you are just putting in 8-iron shafts.

 

 

 

 

 

RH

[Tcann32]

I didn't notice anything in your post, or any of the other higher level overviews on this type of set having to do with the tipping of the shafts. All is well and good in the area of length, but wouldn't an 8i shaft in a 5i be like hard-stepping 3x?

 

I suppose that'd be somewhere in the realm of playing an X100 anyways, maybe a little less than half a flex stiffer than an x100. Obviously don't quote me on that. I'm just guessing that's what the stiffness would come close to.

 

Outside of that, I think you found what I found when playing my 4,5, & 6i at the same length. Any loss in distance was well worth the gain in accuracy. Until I can flush a 4i every time, playing the long irons a bit shorter will always be something I am on the fence of doing again.

 

You don't hard step. You just take 8-iron shafts and put them in all of the clubs.

 

Hard Stepping and Soft Stepping is a bit of a myth anyway. But, you are just putting in 8-iron shafts.

 

 

 

 

 

RH

 

I was just curious if you felt like the outcome could've been different had it been a cut down 5i shaft.

 

The entire thing is very complex haha. If enough weight was added to the 5i then I could see how the results would be somewhat similar with an 8i shaft. If the x100s were tip trimmed per manufacturers recommendations you'd be left with a very low launching 5i as I believe there's well over an inch of difference in tipping between the two, however the extra weight would negate that to some extent.

 

Im not being argumentative, I really like the idea and look forward to giving it a go eventually!

[sirphilliam]

Interesting concept. I wonder how these single length irons play. It seems like a good idea in theory, but I wonder how they perform though.

[Noke]

I just got a Wishon Sterling Single Length 5-iron and assembled it and hit it yesterday.

 

I figured that if the 5-iron wasn't that good, then I don't need to bother with the rest of the set. I had a spare S400 shaft 8-iron shaft laying around and I installed that into the club and it came out to 37" long.

 

The 5-iron is really a 4-iron as it is at 23 degrees loft (4-iron loft).

 

The 5-iron (and I'm presuming the 6 and 7-irons) is more or less a GI style design. I play to a +2/+3 and I'm a blades player. However, I don't have a problem with having CB's in a longer iron.

 

The Wishon 5-iron was very clicky like you get out of GI irons. Big head. About 3-1/4" from heel to toe (my Srixon Z945 4-iron is 3" from heel-to-toe), it's also a taller clubhead, about 2-1/8" (Sirxon is 2").

 

There's a good amount of offset in the Wishon Sterling 5-iron as well. The spec sheet says 4mm offset in the 5-iron and then it reduces.

 

My assumption is that as the Sterling irons progress, the club looks less like a GI and more like a player's CB.

 

The most common complaints I've heard about the Single Length concept is that the long irons don't carry far enough and have too low of a trajectory. And that affects the yardage gapping.

 

Trajectory was not an issue in the slightest with the 5-iron. In fact, I was amazed at how easy it was to hit the 5-iron.

 

Going into it, I thought that the Single Length Concept would make it easier to be more consistent with your swing mechanics. That may be true, but what I found as beneficial was how straight the ball went and it was difficult to get too much curve on it.

 

I just bought the Srixon Z945's (got them the day before I got the 5-iron). I hit the Srixon's about 1-club longer than my old clubs. But despite that, I am now going to have to give the Wishon Sterling irons serious consideration.

 

I think I hit my Srixon 4-iron further than the 23-degree loft Wishon Sterling iron. How much more, I'm not sure since I was hitting it on the range with range balls. So, I will have to test them out on the course, soon. But, it's so much easier to hit and control the Wishon Sterling iron. I'll have to take them both out on the course and see what's going on yardage wise with Titleist Pro V1x. As long as I'm not losing too much yardage, the Wishon Sterling irons are worth investigating even more because of how easy they are to hit and to control.

 

 

 

 

 

RH

 

From the pics the Sterling long irons remind me of a slightly slimmer 870ti with the high COR face and overall shape. One thing I've noticed with the 870 long irons is how easy they are to elevate, and I think the thin face contributes to that. Looks like Wishon put more mass behind the ball in the shorter irons.

[rockinar]

Saw his personal set at the show. They all looked about 10* upright. Very strange. The lie angles on the clubs, especially the short irons, would have to be flattened quite a bit to accommodate a more traditional swing. Interesting concept though. Would be easy to set up any clubs like this. Just get a set of steel shafts and cut them to all one length. Then adjust lie angles accordingly

 

You think you can just bend and set of irons and cut them to 36" and it would work like DeChambeaus's ? LOLOLOLOL.....You have NO idea what you are talking about. You swing weights would be all over the map and I doubt you would even be able to hit the long irons. Probably would lose about 45 % of your distance if you could get the ball up in the air at all. There's more too it than a bend and a haircut.

[DJR10]

Well it works. Takes some time and it's always ongoing ........

 

http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/topic/1316940-djrs-witb-11-of-them-are-the-same-lenght-tmedel/#entry13362886

[rockinar]

This has been tried before.

 

Yup. And 100+ years later, millions of lessons and still nobody can hit their traditinal progressive sets. They are a much bigger failure than single length. But players keep drinking the marketing Kool Aid.

 

And the original light bulb was a failure too. I wonder what ever happened to those stupid things?

[mdgboxx]

This has been tried before.

 

Yup. And 100+ years later, millions of lessons and still nobody can hit their traditinal progressive sets. They are a much bigger failure than single length. But players keep drinking the marketing Kool Aid.

 

And the original light bulb was a failure too. I wonder what ever happened to those stupid things?

 

Look everywhere around you, they became **LED**

[beight]

How would they adjust the offset? Uhmm

[B-wall]

This has been tried before.

 

Not really

Moe Norman anyone????

 

Moe Norman never played with SL irons. He experimented with them, but never put them in play. This is something that david lake of 1 iron pushes to sell clubs, but he doesn't know anything about Moe. Barney Adams used to build sets for Moe, and never once did he build him a set that was single length.

[Santiago Golf]

I have thought about trying

 

Driver, 43.5"

3 wood, 42"

Hybrid, 40.5"

3 iron, 39"

4-6, 37.5"

7-9, 36.5"

PW, GW, SW, 35.5"

Putter, 35"

 

Any thoughts?

[BestGrips]

 

 

Just saw this on twitter. Pretty interesting partnership. I saw a super small pic of the heads they hid in a tweet and thought it could be a Paderson shaft. Never imagined it would be a special single length shaft.