Edel Single Length Irons

[mtgjr21]

According to Rick Shiels, Edel is planning on releasing the single length irons that Bryson Dechambeau uses. Could just be rumors, but cool if true.

 

[g-off]

saw the same thing on golf.com sounded like three different length options

[Ranman]

This has been tried before.

[DJR10]

This has been tried before.

 

Not really

[MakersMarsh3]

This has been tried before.

 

Not really

 

100% has. Didn't go well...

[soap1984]

Electric car was tried before too...doesn't mean it's a bad idea

 

[starsail85]

This has been tried before.

 

Not really

 

100% has. Didn't go well...

 

The two ball putter had been tried before odyssey made one

[cliche]

so did anyone ever hit PW-7-3 iron with the same length? sounds interesting.

those jumbo grips on those clubs are hideous

[mdgboxx]

I understand Wishon is also working on a set of single length irons.

[DJR10]

This has been tried before.

 

Not really

 

100% has. Didn't go well...

 

A single length fitting system has been done before? Never heard of it. I know the set has been tried.

[sea-golfer]

I wonder what distance loses on average I would lose on 3 thru 5 iron ? And my 9 iron now flies 150 yards so with the extra length how far does it fly now? I know Bryson is tall and he stands more upright than most so he makes it work phenomenally.

[avg_joseph]

This has been tried before.

 

Not really

 

Tommy Armour EQL

 

TOTALLY DONE BEFORE

[mgholda]

Bryson can make it work, but he will be the exception and not the rule.

[ijustgolf]

If replicated and fit properly like Bryson, this could work 100%. Only issue is your method of swinging the club would need to mirror Bryson's. Definitely wouldn't work with all swings.

[jeepman]

Totally different way of swinging. It's a chicken and egg conundrum. Can't try it without a single-length set but single-length set doesn't sell without folks who want to actually invest in the experiment.

[vangator1]

I've been playing SL irons for two years. My game has improved tremendously. I'll never go back to varying length irons again.

 

Here is a post I made in another SL thread....

 

I lose a little length with the 4 iron, but not much. Maybe 5 yards? With a conventional 4 iron, I felt in order to make good contact, I had to take just a little off. Full swing like a shorter iron would be too erratic. However, since I've been playing them for so long, I may actually have increased my yardage due to better ball striking, so it may be a wash.

 

My normal shape is a draw. I would draw my conventional 7 iron. But, with the conventional longer irons, I would sometimes hit a draw, sometimes straight, sometimes a fade. Not with the SL irons. I play a draw just like my 7 iron because the swing plane is always the same. With conventional irons, every swing plane is a little different (each is 1/2 " longer).

 

Also, conventional irons add the 1/2 " in length to the tip. Nominally, every 2 inches of additional shaft tip reduces the shaft by one flex. If the shaft is normally a stiff, adding 2 inches to the tip makes it a regular. With conventional irons, only the 7 iron is really fitted properly for the golfer (done by WTF measurement). So, if your set has stiff shafts, the 7 iron is stiff, the 8 iron is 1/2 inch shorter, so it is slightly more stiff. If you reduce each shaft by 1/2 ", your gap wedge is really an extra stiff. On the other end, since a 3 iron is 2 inches longer than the 7 iron, the shaft flex is really a regular. So the set you thought was stiff really has every shaft with a different flex. I think that is one reason I used to predominately draw my wedges, hit my mid irons straight and hit my long irons with a fade. It was frustrating. However, SL irons have the same flex throughout.

 

Also, by adding 1/2 to the tip, you lower the flex point in the shaft by 1/2 inch. More variation. SL irons have the same flex point.

Conventional irons try to compensate for all this by gradually increasing the lie angle of the club. increasing the offset of each club and reducing the weight of the head by 7 grams each. Therefore, each conventional iron has a different length, lie angle, offset, stiffness, flex point, head weight, swing plane and potential shot shape. SL irons are the same, same, same, same, same, same, same and same.

 

I do hit my wedges a little higher (I like that) and my "long" irons a little lower. For the "long" SL irons, some of the lower trajectory may be simply due to lower lofts, but some is due to having the ball back in my stance more. The long irons are easier to hit. I can play the ball slightly more forward to get a higher trajectory but still basically keep the same swing plane.

 

Is it any wonder most golfers are ditching their long irons in favor of easy hitting hybrids? For me, a long iron is simply more accurate that a hybrid. On a long par 3, with a hybrid I's accept being on the green. With an iron, I would like to be able to target a particular part of the green. I'm just not as accurate with a hybrid. It has a roll face for a reason. Because it is really a type of fairway wood. Irons have straight faces for more accuracy.

[Ajlepisto]

Disagree with the part about shaft flex changing. They are difference lengths, but the step patterns are also different, which means the kick point is changing between each club. It's inaccurate to say that standard sets aren't built to incorporate weight, kick point and flex changes throughout the set.

 

Glad your single length set works though.

[gsea33]

The Tommy Armour EQLs didn't customize to the player big reason they didn't work as expected. The EDL irons will be custom made (specialized fitters are trying to be train through out the US) obviously because there is no one swing/physique. This idea is based on a single plane swing and incorporates the teachings of Homer Kelley's book. And they will be very expensive $200 plus an iron.

[Noke]

Why would someone need to change to Dechambeau's swing methodology to make single-length irons work?

 

I think Wishon's Sterling irons make sense and combat some of the yardage problems inherent in SL iron design. I'd need to see more info about the Edel stuff to make a judgement on that set.

[rgk5]

The Tommy Armour EQLs didn't customize to the player big reason they didn't work as expected. The EDL irons will be custom made (specialized fitters are trying to be train through out the US) obviously because there is no one swing/physique. This idea is based on a single plane swing and incorporates the teachings of Homer Kelley's book. And they will be very expensive $200 plus an iron.

 

Good luck to them.

[jeepman]

 

Also, conventional irons add the 1/2 " in length to the tip. Nominally, every 2 inches of additional shaft tip reduces the shaft by one flex. If the shaft is normally a stiff, adding 2 inches to the tip makes it a regular. With conventional irons, only the 7 iron is really fitted properly for the golfer (done by WTF measurement). So, if your set has stiff shafts, the 7 iron is stiff, the 8 iron is 1/2 inch shorter, so it is slightly more stiff. If you reduce each shaft by 1/2 ", your gap wedge is really an extra stiff. On the other end, since a 3 iron is 2 inches longer than the 7 iron, the shaft flex is really a regular. So the set you thought was stiff really has every shaft with a different flex. I think that is one reason I used to predominately draw my wedges, hit my mid irons straight and hit my long irons with a fade. It was frustrating. However, SL irons have the same flex throughout.

 

Also, by adding 1/2 to the tip, you lower the flex point in the shaft by 1/2 inch. More variation. SL irons have the same flex point.

Conventional irons try to compensate for all this by gradually increasing the lie angle of the club. increasing the offset of each club and reducing the weight of the head by 7 grams each. Therefore, each conventional iron has a different length, lie angle, offset, stiffness, flex point, head weight, swing plane and potential shot shape. SL irons are the same, same, same, same, same, same, same and same.

 

 

So your statment stands true, as long as everyone is playing tapered tip shafts in their irons. Seeing as the vast majority of golfers are not playing TTs, the flex is accurate throughout the bag.

[easylittle5wood]

Why would someone need to change to Dechambeau's swing methodology to make single-length irons work?

 

I think Wishon's Sterling irons make sense and combat some of the yardage problems inherent in SL iron design. I'd need to see more info about the Edel stuff to make a judgement on that set.

 

http://wishongolf.com/designs/sets/sterling-irons-single-length-set/

 

These also seem very reasonably priced. Wishon clubs are super underrated.

[vangator1]

 

So your statment stands true, as long as everyone is playing tapered tip shafts in their irons. Seeing as the vast majority of golfers are not playing TTs, the flex is accurate throughout the bag.

 

Disagree with the part about shaft flex changing. They are difference lengths, but the step patterns are also different, which means the kick point is changing between each club. It's inaccurate to say that standard sets aren't built to incorporate weight, kick point and flex changes throughout the set.

 

Glad your single length set works though.

 

I've never built irons with tapers, so I can't speak to those, but when tip length is added to a parallel shaft, it changes the flex. There are so many compensations made for conventional irons to make them somewhat playable.

[BigEarly]

Saw his personal set at the show. They all looked about 10* upright. Very strange. The lie angles on the clubs, especially the short irons, would have to be flattened quite a bit to accommodate a more traditional swing. Interesting concept though. Would be easy to set up any clubs like this. Just get a set of steel shafts and cut them to all one length. Then adjust lie angles accordingly

[Ajlepisto]

Also - anyone else think it's weird that he looks like Hogan but instead of playing what most would consider really flat lies, he's playing really upright lies, it appears? Just goes to show you - you can't trust what things look like to make fitting choices about lie angles, etc. It really is very individual.

[Cwing]

Really, nothing new here. It is just getting a little exposure

 

http://1irongolf.com/

[Breaking Par]

http://www.golf.com/tour-and-news/bryson-dechambeau-custom-clubmaker-and-teaching-pro-might-be-start-golfing-revolution?page=4&simple=1

 

"Edel has found a middle ground with the fitting system for single-length irons he is introducing at this week's PGA Show in Orlando. This will be the delivery system for bringing DeChambeau's clubs to the masses. Each kit will have 30 shafts weighing between 80 and 135 grams, in 4-, 6- and 8-iron lengths. There will be three heads and a dozen grips. Edel and Schy will start beta-testing the system after the show, in hopes of delivering to consumers their own sets as early as April. The tentative price is $225 a club. Edel hopes to train an army of qualified fitters, but for now he is moving cautiously."

[Noke]

DeChambeau used to/might again putt sidesaddle? Aw man, I guess I'm going to have to start liking him (despite his religious proclivities).

 

And I hear he makes really good vacuum cleaners that never lose suction.

[cwolfe888]

I've been playing SL irons for two years. My game has improved tremendously. I'll never go back to varying length irons again.

 

Here is a post I made in another SL thread....

 

I lose a little length with the 4 iron, but not much. Maybe 5 yards? With a conventional 4 iron, I felt in order to make good contact, I had to take just a little off. Full swing like a shorter iron would be too erratic. However, since I've been playing them for so long, I may actually have increased my yardage due to better ball striking, so it may be a wash.

 

My normal shape is a draw. I would draw my conventional 7 iron. But, with the conventional longer irons, I would sometimes hit a draw, sometimes straight, sometimes a fade. Not with the SL irons. I play a draw just like my 7 iron because the swing plane is always the same. With conventional irons, every swing plane is a little different (each is 1/2 " longer).

 

Also, conventional irons add the 1/2 " in length to the tip. Nominally, every 2 inches of additional shaft tip reduces the shaft by one flex. If the shaft is normally a stiff, adding 2 inches to the tip makes it a regular. With conventional irons, only the 7 iron is really fitted properly for the golfer (done by WTF measurement). So, if your set has stiff shafts, the 7 iron is stiff, the 8 iron is 1/2 inch shorter, so it is slightly more stiff. If you reduce each shaft by 1/2 ", your gap wedge is really an extra stiff. On the other end, since a 3 iron is 2 inches longer than the 7 iron, the shaft flex is really a regular. So the set you thought was stiff really has every shaft with a different flex. I think that is one reason I used to predominately draw my wedges, hit my mid irons straight and hit my long irons with a fade. It was frustrating. However, SL irons have the same flex throughout.

 

Also, by adding 1/2 to the tip, you lower the flex point in the shaft by 1/2 inch. More variation. SL irons have the same flex point.

Conventional irons try to compensate for all this by gradually increasing the lie angle of the club. increasing the offset of each club and reducing the weight of the head by 7 grams each. Therefore, each conventional iron has a different length, lie angle, offset, stiffness, flex point, head weight, swing plane and potential shot shape. SL irons are the same, same, same, same, same, same, same and same.

 

I do hit my wedges a little higher (I like that) and my "long" irons a little lower. For the "long" SL irons, some of the lower trajectory may be simply due to lower lofts, but some is due to having the ball back in my stance more. The long irons are easier to hit. I can play the ball slightly more forward to get a higher trajectory but still basically keep the same swing plane.

 

Is it any wonder most golfers are ditching their long irons in favor of easy hitting hybrids? For me, a long iron is simply more accurate that a hybrid. On a long par 3, with a hybrid I's accept being on the green. With an iron, I would like to be able to target a particular part of the green. I'm just not as accurate with a hybrid. It has a roll face for a reason. Because it is really a type of fairway wood. Irons have straight faces for more accuracy.

 

The flex changing would only be true for .370 heads with parallel shafts. A good set of taper tip shafts will have the same equivalent flex throughout the set. Hence why most companies went this route. Parallel shafts can be made to have same flex but a lot of calculation must be done. Take a look at an old rifle shaft building guide

[SwingBlues]

Curious, whats the Wishon irons cost?