George Gankas

[northgolf]

Simple solution here: if you want to post discount codes and promote GG, then sponsor the thread.

[Golfbeat]

Probably better to ban the person that is giving out the discount codes than to kill this great thread.

[dpc]

Probably better to ban the person that is giving out the discount codes than to kill this great thread.

 

I agree. C'mon people, play by the rules. This is a great thread.

[cobra440]

The marketing with GG's membership site was turned up a notch this week. In the comment section of some of his instagram videos the marketing is quite aggressive and if I understood correctly, it is forbidden to post links to his instagram videos now if the comments section contains promotion codes like the video of Heath's swing. Also the reason why Gabe made a youtube video after a longish hiatus was obviously just marketing. I just hoped he would have respected his viewers and told them if he is affiliated with GG.

[ferreta]

Can someone describe what he means with the kick up?

[jurr80]

Can someone describe what he means with the kick up?

"Kicking up" is the same as getting extension of the pelvis and spine".

If you squatted before jumping, you'd be in hip flexion.

As you got into the air, you'd be extended.

There's a component of this with the pivot. You set up with not much flexion. Then as you perform the leg work into transition, you get some hip flexion. As the left leg is turning the corner, you will start to "kick up" towards the target.

[PutterKilledTheDream]

Does head moving forward in transition matter as much with this method? If you keep turning left like it is that just making the AoA more steeper?

 

He touches on head movement in video that was included in the first post of this thread.

 

Saw this over the weekend, I tend to lunge a bit but i am far from getting enough ER in transition so will keep working on this.

 

Do you have just just align to ball flight laws to get a draw with this method as well?

 

That's a fair question and along the lines of what I've been wondering. My assumption has been that the pattern that's been described in the threads is more for the better, typically junior, players who already dump under and get their hips way too far out front. Lft prone misses. It would seem that really going external with knees, turning left hard, feeling the right shoulder lead out to the ball, ect, would have the effect pulling path leftward ( relative to where it was previously) and steepening......only reason why I asked about Tman numbers. I'd think for me personally with this pattern it'd be hard to control start line and really turn one over left.

[drvrwdge]

It definitely gets the shoulder out and path left but steepin it doesn't do. My path has gone from 3-4 right to 1 eft but I have gone from 8 down with an 8i to 4.5 down. Shallower and left because I'm not EE'ing, but am now rotating and releasing club with body.

 

Edit: I guess for some he actually does get them to be steeper in transition because they do dump under plane but the majority seem to be too steep and he's looking to get them more shallow in transition. Just my take.

[PutterKilledTheDream]

Are you able to hit push draws?

[drvrwdge]

When I do it correctly yes. Right now though I'm primarily just hitting 150-200 balls. All "freezers". Ha you have no idea how hard it is to not just hit drivers haha. I'm concentrating on the movement currently not the result.

 

I also have been playing for 20+ yrs and was taught to pull the handle down down hard in transition, did drills with two balls setting up to outside ball and hitting inside ball, holding the angle as long as humanly possible so I have a very severe "hands" move to the ball I am trying to get rid of. I've played some very good golf in my day but some very bad golf as well. Just trying to tightening bell curve a bit and I believe this is the way as I get older and stop to lose a bit of my athletic ability and timing. When I was younger I could use my hand eye coordination and pure athleticism to bail me out.

[drvrwdge]

Top was a few weeks ago bottom was a few weeks ago. It doesn't look like a huge difference but to me it is. You can see how more rotated I am at impact and how much more shallow I am in transition and at impact.

[chigolfer1]

What are freezers exactly?

 

 

When I do it correctly yes. Right now though I'm primarily just hitting 150-200 balls. All "freezers". Ha you have no idea how hard it is to not just hit drivers haha. I'm concentrating on the movement currently not the result.

 

I also have been playing for 20+ yrs and was taught to pull the handle down down hard in transition, did drills with two balls setting up to outside ball and hitting inside ball, holding the angle as long as humanly possible so I have a very severe "hands" move to the ball I am trying to get rid of. I've played some very good golf in my day but some very bad golf as well. Just trying to tightening bell curve a bit and I believe this is the way as I get older and stop to lose a bit of my athletic ability and timing. When I was younger I could use my hand eye coordination and pure athleticism to bail me out.

[flatnstuck]

What are freezers exactly?

 

 

When I do it correctly yes. Right now though I'm primarily just hitting 150-200 balls. All "freezers". Ha you have no idea how hard it is to not just hit drivers haha. I'm concentrating on the movement currently not the result.

 

I also have been playing for 20+ yrs and was taught to pull the handle down down hard in transition, did drills with two balls setting up to outside ball and hitting inside ball, holding the angle as long as humanly possible so I have a very severe "hands" move to the ball I am trying to get rid of. I've played some very good golf in my day but some very bad golf as well. Just trying to tightening bell curve a bit and I believe this is the way as I get older and stop to lose a bit of my athletic ability and timing. When I was younger I could use my hand eye coordination and pure athleticism to bail me out.

 

A pause in the swing so that movements and positions can be worked on without the natural momentum of the golf swing and or bad habits distorting the intent of the drill.

[bNeill]

I've been working on his stuff for about a week now a few hours a day with much success. I still struggle with shallowing the club using the pivot.

 

I think I need to feel leaving the hands at the top for much longer. I'm going to pull the trigger on his sub site tomorrow.

[bNeill]

Does head moving forward in transition matter as much with this method? If you keep turning left like it is that just making the AoA more steeper?

 

He touches on head movement in video that was included in the first post of this thread.

 

Saw this over the weekend, I tend to lunge a bit but i am far from getting enough ER in transition so will keep working on this.

 

Do you have just just align to ball flight laws to get a draw with this method as well?

 

That's a fair question and along the lines of what I've been wondering. My assumption has been that the pattern that's been described in the threads is more for the better, typically junior, players who already dump under and get their hips way too far out front. Lft prone misses. It would seem that really going external with knees, turning left hard, feeling the right shoulder lead out to the ball, ect, would have the effect pulling path leftward ( relative to where it was previously) and steepening......only reason why I asked about Tman numbers. I'd think for me personally with this pattern it'd be hard to control start line and really turn one over left.

 

I have always had a tendency to pull it and keeping the right knee in ER longer has really helped the consistency of my path. I am still having issues shallowing the club with my pivot in order to get my path more right. When I do shallow the club enough I am able to hit a nice push draw.

[Golf nerd]

I've been working on his stuff for about a week now a few hours a day with much success. I still struggle with shallowing the club using the pivot.

 

I think I need to feel leaving the hands at the top for much longer. I'm going to pull the trigger on his sub site tomorrow.

 

As far as I understand the shallowing move in GG's model, he promotes rotation in transition while the hands/arms turn clockwise, which shallows the club.

There is a drill on his account which he did with one kid at the wall. First he asked for rotation and then he asked the boy to keep the alignment stick at the wall coming down. That move is actually clockwise arm/hand rotation and will lower the arms as well. Will not post a link as site owner gets angry.

[Poser]

What adjustments do you make with Driver?

[TB07]

I've been working on his stuff for about a week now a few hours a day with much success. I still struggle with shallowing the club using the pivot.

 

I think I need to feel leaving the hands at the top for much longer. I'm going to pull the trigger on his sub site tomorrow.

 

As far as I understand the shallowing move in GG's model, he promotes rotation in transition while the hands/arms turn clockwise, which shallows the club.

There is a drill on his account which he did with one kid at the wall. First he asked for rotation and then he asked the boy to keep the alignment stick at the wall coming down. That move is actually clockwise arm/hand rotation and will lower the arms as well. Will not post a link as site owner gets angry.

 

Already been posted. I think it's dangerous for people who aren't shallow to try and start shallowing with the pivot without proper supervision. Going to get them steep and OTT like that video you mention shows.

[sheldonjhacker]

I've been working on his stuff for about a week now a few hours a day with much success. I still struggle with shallowing the club using the pivot.

 

I think I need to feel leaving the hands at the top for much longer. I'm going to pull the trigger on his sub site tomorrow.

 

As far as I understand the shallowing move in GG's model, he promotes rotation in transition while the hands/arms turn clockwise, which shallows the club.

There is a drill on his account which he did with one kid at the wall. First he asked for rotation and then he asked the boy to keep the alignment stick at the wall coming down. That move is actually clockwise arm/hand rotation and will lower the arms as well. Will not post a link as site owner gets angry.

 

Already been posted. I think it's dangerous for people who aren't shallow to try and start shallowing with the pivot without proper supervision. Going to get them steep and OTT like that video you mention shows.

Without proper supervision this method will damage most of our swings and frustrate us ALL season !

[jaydro]

I've been working on his stuff for about a week now a few hours a day with much success. I still struggle with shallowing the club using the pivot.

 

I think I need to feel leaving the hands at the top for much longer. I'm going to pull the trigger on his sub site tomorrow.

 

As far as I understand the shallowing move in GG's model, he promotes rotation in transition while the hands/arms turn clockwise, which shallows the club.

There is a drill on his account which he did with one kid at the wall. First he asked for rotation and then he asked the boy to keep the alignment stick at the wall coming down. That move is actually clockwise arm/hand rotation and will lower the arms as well. Will not post a link as site owner gets angry.

 

Already been posted. I think it's dangerous for people who aren't shallow to try and start shallowing with the pivot without proper supervision. Going to get them steep and OTT like that video you mention shows.

 

Honest question. Why? Its really easy to feel the shaft shallow when you get lower body moving right and the p6 checkpoint he gives is simple enough. Not saying it's for everyone but seems like his ideas on the lower body would help alot of people

[Golfbeat]

I've been working on his stuff for about a week now a few hours a day with much success. I still struggle with shallowing the club using the pivot.

 

I think I need to feel leaving the hands at the top for much longer. I'm going to pull the trigger on his sub site tomorrow.

 

As far as I understand the shallowing move in GG's model, he promotes rotation in transition while the hands/arms turn clockwise, which shallows the club.

There is a drill on his account which he did with one kid at the wall. First he asked for rotation and then he asked the boy to keep the alignment stick at the wall coming down. That move is actually clockwise arm/hand rotation and will lower the arms as well. Will not post a link as site owner gets angry.

 

Already been posted. I think it's dangerous for people who aren't shallow to try and start shallowing with the pivot without proper supervision. Going to get them steep and OTT like that video you mention shows.

Without proper supervision this method will damage most of our swings and frustrate us ALL season !

 

Fear mongering. I am hitting the ball better than ever with no supervision. Common sense, doing drills, checking positions, mirror work and good range sessions working on ball flight is all you need and will lead to success also if you do not have access to an instructor. A great instructor might definitely speed up the process in particular if you are a beginner but it is not so that without a live instructor you are doomed. A website like that of GG is a great, great help.

 

I also believe that there are people on this Forum who are not instructors and who are actually more knowledgeable than many so-called instructors in the average club. Also, many top instructors are actually changing their views and adopting new methodologies. Golf is always evolving both from a personal and from a overall point of view.

[Daniel Eason]

TBH

Does head moving forward in transition matter as much with this method? If you keep turning left like it is that just making the AoA more steeper?

 

He touches on head movement in video that was included in the first post of this thread.

 

Saw this over the weekend, I tend to lunge a bit but i am far from getting enough ER in transition so will keep working on this.

 

Do you have just just align to ball flight laws to get a draw with this method as well?

 

That's a fair question and along the lines of what I've been wondering. My assumption has been that the pattern that's been described in the threads is more for the better, typically junior, players who already dump under and get their hips way too far out front. Lft prone misses. It would seem that really going external with knees, turning left hard, feeling the right shoulder lead out to the ball, ect, would have the effect pulling path leftward ( relative to where it was previously) and steepening......only reason why I asked about Tman numbers. I'd think for me personally with this pattern it'd be hard to control start line and really turn one over left.

 

I have always had a tendency to pull it and keeping the right knee in ER longer has really helped the consistency of my path. I am still having issues shallowing the club with my pivot in order to get my path more right. When I do shallow the club enough I am able to hit a nice push draw.

 

I am but it's certainly a more manipulated shape.

 

"Freezers"...got to love marketing....Foley has a similar way to engrain changes.

[Golfbeat]

I've been working on his stuff for about a week now a few hours a day with much success. I still struggle with shallowing the club using the pivot.

 

I think I need to feel leaving the hands at the top for much longer. I'm going to pull the trigger on his sub site tomorrow.

 

As far as I understand the shallowing move in GG's model, he promotes rotation in transition while the hands/arms turn clockwise, which shallows the club.

There is a drill on his account which he did with one kid at the wall. First he asked for rotation and then he asked the boy to keep the alignment stick at the wall coming down. That move is actually clockwise arm/hand rotation and will lower the arms as well. Will not post a link as site owner gets angry.

 

Already been posted. I think it's dangerous for people who aren't shallow to try and start shallowing with the pivot without proper supervision. Going to get them steep and OTT like that video you mention shows.

 

Seems to me that you should take a subscription for GG' website or take a lesson from him. The only thing you seem to do is asking questions about his methods and questioning the method without knowing what it is all about.

[games]

Seems to me that you should take a subscription for GG' website or take a lesson from him. The only thing you seem to do is asking questions about his methods and questioning the method without knowing what it is all about.

 

Hey Golfbeat. I saw you were once active in the Tathata Golf thread. Are you integrating GG with Tathata? Seems you are pretty happy with your game. Just curious what you see as the benefits of Tathata and GG are.

[Golfbeat]

Seems to me that you should take a subscription for GG' website or take a lesson from him. The only thing you seem to do is asking questions about his methods and questioning the method without knowing what it is all about.

 

Hey Golfbeat. I saw you were once active in the Tathata Golf thread. Are you integrating GG with Tathata? Seems you are pretty happy with your game. Just curious what you see as the benefits of Tathata and GG are.

 

I would summarize it like this. I always felt and was told that my swing was too hands and arms oriented. Some instructors told me that I should just speed up my arms and the body would "just get out of the way". However hard I tried, I could not make this work. This is why I started Tathata because it is very focused on the lower and upper body and I always had the feeling that this was the element I was missing. I made great progress with Tathata and I am still referring back to it for some elements. I did not like the short game, putting and mental part so much. When I bumped into GG's Instagram, I realized that I was still sliding too much with the lower body versus rotating. I then started to experiment with the GG pivot and after a few weeks felt that a break through was coming. I am still discovering new things but I am confident that have conquered the next plateau in my golf journey.

 

Don't believe people that say you should not tinker with your swing. Tinkering is what brings you to the next level.

[bph7]

I've been working on his stuff for about a week now a few hours a day with much success. I still struggle with shallowing the club using the pivot.

 

I think I need to feel leaving the hands at the top for much longer. I'm going to pull the trigger on his sub site tomorrow.

 

As far as I understand the shallowing move in GG's model, he promotes rotation in transition while the hands/arms turn clockwise, which shallows the club.

There is a drill on his account which he did with one kid at the wall. First he asked for rotation and then he asked the boy to keep the alignment stick at the wall coming down. That move is actually clockwise arm/hand rotation and will lower the arms as well. Will not post a link as site owner gets angry.

 

Already been posted. I think it's dangerous for people who aren't shallow to try and start shallowing with the pivot without proper supervision. Going to get them steep and OTT like that video you mention shows.

 

So you are saying watching random Instagram videos and asking random people on an Internet forum how to implement an instructor's methodology that most of them have literally never met isn't a good way to improve? Isn't that the way jack and arnie learned the game? Instagram and asking randos for swing tips from another instructor?

[Golfbeat]

I've been working on his stuff for about a week now a few hours a day with much success. I still struggle with shallowing the club using the pivot.

 

I think I need to feel leaving the hands at the top for much longer. I'm going to pull the trigger on his sub site tomorrow.

 

As far as I understand the shallowing move in GG's model, he promotes rotation in transition while the hands/arms turn clockwise, which shallows the club.

There is a drill on his account which he did with one kid at the wall. First he asked for rotation and then he asked the boy to keep the alignment stick at the wall coming down. That move is actually clockwise arm/hand rotation and will lower the arms as well. Will not post a link as site owner gets angry.

 

Already been posted. I think it's dangerous for people who aren't shallow to try and start shallowing with the pivot without proper supervision. Going to get them steep and OTT like that video you mention shows.

 

So you are saying watching random Instagram videos and asking random people on an Internet forum how to implement an instructor's methodology that most of them have literally never met isn't a good way to improve? Isn't that the way jack and arnie learned the game? Instagram and asking randos for swing tips from another instructor?

 

Baking bread in the dark ages was also different. New age with new technologies and new knowledge. Pro's then and now take tip's from other pro's and other instructors. There is no substitute for real, rough talent though. Ask Bubba Watson.

[TB07]

I've been working on his stuff for about a week now a few hours a day with much success. I still struggle with shallowing the club using the pivot.

 

I think I need to feel leaving the hands at the top for much longer. I'm going to pull the trigger on his sub site tomorrow.

 

As far as I understand the shallowing move in GG's model, he promotes rotation in transition while the hands/arms turn clockwise, which shallows the club.

There is a drill on his account which he did with one kid at the wall. First he asked for rotation and then he asked the boy to keep the alignment stick at the wall coming down. That move is actually clockwise arm/hand rotation and will lower the arms as well. Will not post a link as site owner gets angry.

 

Already been posted. I think it's dangerous for people who aren't shallow to try and start shallowing with the pivot without proper supervision. Going to get them steep and OTT like that video you mention shows.

 

Seems to me that you should take a subscription for GG' website or take a lesson from him. The only thing you seem to do is asking questions about his methods and questioning the method without knowing what it is all about.

 

He literally shows in a video how JUST pivoting without keeping the stick on the wall will get you steep and OTT. Keeping the stick on the wall is an additional move to the pivot, that a lot of good players probably already do and don't have to think about, but most average golfers don't do.

[TB07]

I've been working on his stuff for about a week now a few hours a day with much success. I still struggle with shallowing the club using the pivot.

 

I think I need to feel leaving the hands at the top for much longer. I'm going to pull the trigger on his sub site tomorrow.

 

As far as I understand the shallowing move in GG's model, he promotes rotation in transition while the hands/arms turn clockwise, which shallows the club.

There is a drill on his account which he did with one kid at the wall. First he asked for rotation and then he asked the boy to keep the alignment stick at the wall coming down. That move is actually clockwise arm/hand rotation and will lower the arms as well. Will not post a link as site owner gets angry.

 

Already been posted. I think it's dangerous for people who aren't shallow to try and start shallowing with the pivot without proper supervision. Going to get them steep and OTT like that video you mention shows.

 

Honest question. Why? Its really easy to feel the shaft shallow when you get lower body moving right and the p6 checkpoint he gives is simple enough. Not saying it's for everyone but seems like his ideas on the lower body would help alot of people

 

Because he demonstrates it in the video. There has to be a separate move of the arms to say shallow OR a separation of lower body from upper body. So for most good players yes, they can handle that. Most average players won't come close to separating.

[QB74]

I've been working on his stuff for about a week now a few hours a day with much success. I still struggle with shallowing the club using the pivot.

 

I think I need to feel leaving the hands at the top for much longer. I'm going to pull the trigger on his sub site tomorrow.

 

As far as I understand the shallowing move in GG's model, he promotes rotation in transition while the hands/arms turn clockwise, which shallows the club.

There is a drill on his account which he did with one kid at the wall. First he asked for rotation and then he asked the boy to keep the alignment stick at the wall coming down. That move is actually clockwise arm/hand rotation and will lower the arms as well. Will not post a link as site owner gets angry.

 

Already been posted. I think it's dangerous for people who aren't shallow to try and start shallowing with the pivot without proper supervision. Going to get them steep and OTT like that video you mention shows.

 

Seems to me that you should take a subscription for GG' website or take a lesson from him. The only thing you seem to do is asking questions about his methods and questioning the method without knowing what it is all about.

 

He literally shows in a video how JUST pivoting without keeping the stick on the wall will get you steep and OTT. Keeping the stick on the wall is an additional move to the pivot, that a lot of good players probably already do and don't have to think about, but most average golfers don't do.

 

And now they know how to do it. Period. Everyone happy, except the haters - because the haters gonna hate, no matter what.