Sandbagging in league play

[Forged4ever]

No different than kicking a ball out from behind a tree or sneaking into your opponents house when they are sleeping and stealing money off of their nightstand......Even having to ask this question tells me all I need to know.......Please remove the Penguin logo from your avatar......Gives my team a bad name.

 

OP is further proof that Yinzer's can't be trusted.

 

Let's go Flyers, 2027 Stanley Cup Champs! (far enough out that no one will remember this post)

Lets not lump everyone into the same kettle?

 

Some of us take the integrity of the game seriously, and no, I don't give a shat How much is on the line.

 

Who I feel sorry for are the legit caps that go out there and stand no chance, though if they tolerate this type of bullshat, it's hard to feel sorry for em.

 

Have a great season Bro?

 

My Best?

RP

[Bigarch]

You wouldn't be allowed to play in our league because we have one standing rule..."No F**king Cheatin". A handicap is not something you "manage" regardless of the stakes.

[Hawkeye77]

Nothing about any of the OP's posts suggests any real struggle with conscience.

 

It's like there is a whole bizarro world of golf out there. I need to get out more, or not.

[sailfishchris]

I don't understand how you would ask if sandbagging is okay? You clearly know you're going to get slammed for it.....and then you try to defend it. If you need to rationalize your cheating to us why ask if it's an issue since it clearly isn't an issue to you?

[evgolfer]

I have no idea why you posted this here. I would tell guys on this forum I screwed their sister before I would tell them I was a sandbagger.

[Hondabuff]

You wouldn't be allowed to play in our league because we have one standing rule..."No F**king Cheatin". A handicap is not something you "manage" regardless of the stakes.

 

So I would have to ask how you would handle playing in a league where you do have to manage your handicap and not about about shooting your best score each week. It's structured more shooting your handicap without going too high or too low. When you play against the ghost you must shoot your handicap. If you beat the ghost by say 4 strokes, the next time you play the ghost you must beat it by your last score. So if you had a career round and shoot 2 under you must shoot 2 under or better or risk loosing your points. In the first half of the season you play the ghost 4 times. Beat the ghost the first time and it screws you 3 times over.

[tatertot]

You wouldn't be allowed to play in our league because we have one standing rule..."No F**king Cheatin". A handicap is not something you "manage" regardless of the stakes.

 

So I would have to ask how you would handle playing in a league where you do have to manage your handicap and not about about shooting your best score each week. It's structured more shooting your handicap without going too high or too low. When you play against the ghost you must shoot your handicap. If you beat the ghost by say 4 strokes, the next time you play the ghost you must beat it by your last score. So if you had a career round and shoot 2 under you must shoot 2 under or better or risk loosing your points.

 

That's not golf. That's stupid. I'd find a new league.

[Hondabuff]

You wouldn't be allowed to play in our league because we have one standing rule..."No F**king Cheatin". A handicap is not something you "manage" regardless of the stakes.

 

So I would have to ask how you would handle playing in a league where you do have to manage your handicap and not about about shooting your best score each week. It's structured more shooting your handicap without going too high or too low. When you play against the ghost you must shoot your handicap. If you beat the ghost by say 4 strokes, the next time you play the ghost you must beat it by your last score. So if you had a career round and shoot 2 under you must shoot 2 under or better or risk loosing your points.

 

That's not golf. That's stupid. I'd find a new league.

 

It's a twist I didn't understand last year but get it this year. There is a reason why our sharks hang out around 8 handicaps but you see them dip down every once in awhile to post a score. I posted a 34 last year one round and everyone was asking if I was sure I wanted to post that low of a score. Index was around a 2 and I lost 5 weeks in a row by net scores and fell out of the rankings. Last round I finally tied the ghost, got my points and didn't screw myself for the next time I play it. I was told it was inspired from from racing where you chase the ghost.

[Matt J]

It's pretty easy, post everything.

 

And don't play a game with anyone who carries an index twice what you carry.

 

Sandbagging and League are synonyms in my region.

[fawley]

guys at my club who "manage" their scores are considered cheats, and they find it tough to get a game.

 

As for "Also keep in mind there is $2500 on the line for the 1st place finisher too", the first thing that came to mind for me was the Winston Churchill anecdote:

 

Churchill: "Madam, would you sleep with me for five million pounds?" Socialite: "My goodness, Mr. Churchill... Well, I suppose... we would have to discuss terms, of course... "

Churchill: "Would you sleep with me for five pounds?"

Socialite: "Mr. Churchill, what kind of woman do you think I am?!" Churchill: "Madam, we've already established that. Now we are haggling about the price

 

 

 

 

 

[wobgon]

You wouldn't be allowed to play in our league because we have one standing rule..."No F**king Cheatin". A handicap is not something you "manage" regardless of the stakes.

 

So I would have to ask how you would handle playing in a league where you do have to manage your handicap and not about about shooting your best score each week. It's structured more shooting your handicap without going too high or too low. When you play against the ghost you must shoot your handicap. If you beat the ghost by say 4 strokes, the next time you play the ghost you must beat it by your last score. So if you had a career round and shoot 2 under you must shoot 2 under or better or risk loosing your points.

 

That's not golf. That's stupid. I'd find a new league.

 

It's a twist I didn't understand last year but get it this year. There is a reason why our sharks hang out around 8 handicaps but you see them dip down every once in awhile to post a score. I posted a 34 last year one round and everyone was asking if I was sure I wanted to post that low of a score. Index was around a 2 and I lost 5 weeks in a row by net scores and fell out of the rankings. Last round I finally tied the ghost, got my points and didn't screw myself for the next time I play it. I was told it was inspired from from racing where you chase the ghost.

It's pretty simple....You didn't do well last year because the sandbaggers screwed you over......This year, you have decided to screw over the honest players in the league and you want us to tell you it is OK because other sandbaggers have told you it is the thing to do.......Tell me were I am going wrong here.

[knock it close]

If the social contacts are as good as you're saying I would focus on that and try to be a decent person that people enjoy being around instead of trying to massage my cap for 2500 while having the who's who whispering sandbagger every time I walk into the club. That's just my thought process though....

[kencanuck]

If the social contacts are as good as you're saying I would focus on that and try to be a decent person that people enjoy being around instead of trying to massage my cap for 2500 while having the who's who whispering sandbagger every time I walk into the club. That's just my thought process though....

 

++1!

[Mcgeeno]

Wtf is going on.

 

The fact that the words "managing my cap" can be said bums me out.

 

Beating a ghost, not shooting to low, ringers and baggers etc. Massaging your score from one week to the next instead of just putting the peg in the ground and trying to shoot low.

 

The whole point of the game is being missed here IMO.

 

 

[WBGolf]

HORRIBLE! You deserve a Crosby-type cheap shot. If anyone I play with did something like this, there'd probably be a confrontation. Then again, I tend to prefer to play with a different type of person.

[Hondabuff]

Wtf is going on.

 

The fact that the words "managing my cap" can be said bums me out.

 

Beating a ghost, not shooting to low, ringers and baggers etc. Massaging your score from one week to the next instead of just putting the peg in the ground and trying to shoot low.

 

The whole point of the game is being missed here IMO.

 

We even have the occasional 15" hole that pops up from time to time. The golf club is packed 7 days a week and after 3pm during the week is League play. Each of these 9 hole Leagues are around 70 players deep. Its not traditional golf but is a sure lot more fun to play. The guys who maintain their pace at 8 handicaps seem to have the most fun every week. Go out and make your 44-45 week in and week out. Two long drives per 9, two closest to the pin challenges, longest putt. No pressure to shoot anything better then what your practice round qualification scores were. I think its more fun when you play strong in the first part of the round and you can kick back and coast on the way in. Then when I'm 5 over through 6 I'm battling just to get 1 stroke back to hit my cap number and maintain my points and not worried about if I'm going to shoot a career low that day. The low cap guys are the fish in the barrel so to speak.

[KyGolf]

From the USGA handicapping manual:

 

 

"Two basic premises underlie the USGA Handicap System, namely that each player will try to make the best score at every hole in every round...."

 

 

Go out, shoot your best score and let the chips fall where they may. Sandbaggers are the lowest of the low, they ruin the game for the honest players.

[Hondabuff]

From the USGA handicapping manual:

 

 

"Two basic premises underlie the USGA Handicap System, namely that each player will try to make the best score at every hole in every round...."

 

 

Go out, shoot your best score and let the chips fall where they may. Sandbaggers are the lowest of the low, they ruin the game for the honest players.

 

So are you one of those poker players that walk into the back room of the bar and lay the WPT manual on the table before you play even though the house rules are different? USGA rules make the game hard and boring and that's why no one wants to play it. I have the opportunity on 1 of the 6 holes to have my round paid for each week, just like red pin bowling. I'm sure that's not in the PBA manual. Money makes this game go round. You must play a lot of free golf.

[Gem]

Cheating, plain and simple.

[KyGolf]

From the USGA handicapping manual:

 

 

"Two basic premises underlie the USGA Handicap System, namely that each player will try to make the best score at every hole in every round...."

 

 

Go out, shoot your best score and let the chips fall where they may. Sandbaggers are the lowest of the low, they ruin the game for the honest players.

 

So are you one of those poker players that walk into the back room of the bar and lay the WPT manual on the table before you play even though the house rules are different? USGA rules make the game hard and boring and that's why no one wants to play it. I have the opportunity on 1 of the 6 holes to have my round paid for each week, just like red pin bowling. I'm sure that's not in the PBA manual. Money makes this game go round. You must play a lot of free golf.

 

 

I don't play poker.

 

I don't bowl either, so I have no clue what "red pin bowling" is.

 

I have plenty of money, I don't have to sacrifice my integrity to make a few bucks.

 

I play plenty of golf, some casual, a lot of tournament golf where you must play by the boring USGA rules. I enjoy myself either way.

[Hondabuff]

Cheating, plain and simple.

 

Its defiantly cheating under USGA rules. Our rules are structured so your virtual par is your handicap. New guys come in, pay your entrance fee, pay all your skins go out and shoot par and all the seasoned guys laugh at you while your dump your wallet out on the table each week. They wink at you and tell you good job "Johhny Tour Pro"! They tell you, "lose enough money and you will figure it out". Just looked at the league standings and we have 48 players with 7 handicaps or better.

[TPG1971]

From the USGA handicapping manual:

 

 

"Two basic premises underlie the USGA Handicap System, namely that each player will try to make the best score at every hole in every round...."

 

 

Go out, shoot your best score and let the chips fall where they may. Sandbaggers are the lowest of the low, they ruin the game for the honest players.

 

So are you one of those poker players that walk into the back room of the bar and lay the WPT manual on the table before you play even though the house rules are different? USGA rules make the game hard and boring and that's why no one wants to play it. I have the opportunity on 1 of the 6 holes to have my round paid for each week, just like red pin bowling. I'm sure that's not in the PBA manual. Money makes this game go round. You must play a lot of free golf.

 

If you're worried about 2,500 dollars and having your golf paid for, the whos' whos' are gonna drop you faster than fresh dog waste when they find out you really can't hang with them anyway. What's the point?

[deadsolid...shank]

I think that there is probably a lot more "handicap management" going on than people want to admit. Probably even some here who are chastising the loudest.

 

Anytime there is a competition going on, and especially if money is involved, it's happening. And most people, if they want to continue to play, without simply donating over and over again, will "accidentally" let a shot get away here and there in order to help down the road.

 

People eventually get tired of the same results over and over, so the old adage "if you can't beat them, join them" comes into play.

 

I'll give props to Hondabuff, at least he's up front about what's going on.

[Hondabuff]

From the USGA handicapping manual:

 

 

"Two basic premises underlie the USGA Handicap System, namely that each player will try to make the best score at every hole in every round...."

 

 

Go out, shoot your best score and let the chips fall where they may. Sandbaggers are the lowest of the low, they ruin the game for the honest players.

 

So are you one of those poker players that walk into the back room of the bar and lay the WPT manual on the table before you play even though the house rules are different? USGA rules make the game hard and boring and that's why no one wants to play it. I have the opportunity on 1 of the 6 holes to have my round paid for each week, just like red pin bowling. I'm sure that's not in the PBA manual. Money makes this game go round. You must play a lot of free golf.

 

 

I don't play poker.

 

I don't bowl either, so I have no clue what "red pin bowling" is.

 

I have plenty of money, I don't have to sacrifice my integrity to make a few bucks.

 

I play plenty of golf, some casual, a lot of tournament golf where you must play by the boring USGA rules. I enjoy myself either way.

 

Red pin bowling is where there is one pin that's painted red and if it drops as the head pin you page the front desk. Most of the alley stops to watch and if you make a strike your round is free. I have played for 35 years now and golf is boring. You put your money on the line and now golf is not so boring. I ran into our one of our F1 guys last night at my sons baseball game that I'm tied with and I play him next week. He even said he circled the date cause he has to spot me 4 strokes. Last time I played him he dropped a 31 on me and he plays to -1 and completely ducked my best shot at him even after net scores were tallied in.

[Mr. Herbert]

Cheating, plain and simple.

 

Its defiantly cheating under USGA rules. Our rules are structured so your virtual par is your handicap. New guys come in, pay your entrance fee, pay all your skins go out and shoot par and all the seasoned guys laugh at you while your dump your wallet out on the table each week. They wink at you and tell you good job "Johhny Tour Pro"! They tell you, "lose enough money and you will figure it out". Just looked at the league standings and we have 48 players with 7 handicaps or better.

 

Remember, we're internet posters. It's our job to be outraged about everything.

[Hondabuff]

Cheating, plain and simple.

 

Its defiantly cheating under USGA rules. Our rules are structured so your virtual par is your handicap. New guys come in, pay your entrance fee, pay all your skins go out and shoot par and all the seasoned guys laugh at you while your dump your wallet out on the table each week. They wink at you and tell you good job "Johhny Tour Pro"! They tell you, "lose enough money and you will figure it out". Just looked at the league standings and we have 48 players with 7 handicaps or better.

 

Remember, we're internet posters. It's our job to be outraged about everything.

 

That's the funniest thing I have read in awhile!! lol

[mark m]

Hondabuff: what handicap system does this league use?

 

Does your league issue USGA Handicap Indexes? Or does your league use some other system/program?

[Hondabuff]

Hondabuff: what handicap system does this league use?

 

Does your league issue USGA Handicap Indexes? Or does your league use some other system/program?

 

League Handicap divided by 2 equals strokes given. We play mens tees and Handicap is calculated from tips. Screwy twist that took me awhile to figure out last year. So when I play a 8 hcp guy I give him 4. Since I'm a little under 4 I must shoot +1 to duck him if he shots his number to take the Stroke points, Match Count and Match Points. Then 4 times per half season you play the Ghost. Rule is to match the Ghost but don't beat him. So If I normally shoot a 40 and I beat the Ghost with a 38, The next time I play the ghost I have to match a 38 or the ghost wins and you lose all extra points. 2 points awarded for just showing up to play it. You are your own worse enemy at this point.

[mark m]

Hondabuff: what handicap system does this league use?

 

Does your league issue USGA Handicap Indexes? Or does your league use some other system/program?

 

League Handicap divided by 2 equals strokes given. We play mens tees and Handicap is calculated from tips. Screwy twist that took me awhile to figure out last year. So when I play a 8 hcp guy I give him 4. Since I'm a little under 4 I must shoot +1 to duck him if he shots his number to take the Stroke points, Match Count and Match Points.

 

You did not really answer my question(s). From your response, it looks like your league does not issue USGA Handicap Indexes. Is that correct?

[Hondabuff]

Hondabuff: what handicap system does this league use?

 

Does your league issue USGA Handicap Indexes? Or does your league use some other system/program?

 

League Handicap divided by 2 equals strokes given. We play mens tees and Handicap is calculated from tips. Screwy twist that took me awhile to figure out last year. So when I play a 8 hcp guy I give him 4. Since I'm a little under 4 I must shoot +1 to duck him if he shots his number to take the Stroke points, Match Count and Match Points.

 

You did not really answer my question(s). From your response, it looks like your league does not issue USGA Handicap Indexes. Is that correct?

 

The clubhouse has a GHIN computer but our league doesn't use it. Some home brew thing made by one of the web developers that's in our league.