RECAPS: The TaylorMade #TwistFaceExperience. 7 GolfWRX members visit The Kingdom for an exclusive M3

[HipCheck]

Dewey with a 338 yard drive with his new TaylorMade M4 and then made the bird.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Ed Settle]

Dewey with a 338 yard drive with his new TaylorMade M4 and then made the bird.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Very nice ??

[bladehunter]

very nice indeed! whats he rolling the rock with ? looks like an original 8802?

[jpdx]

 

I think it will be interesting to see what amateurs are experiencing with twistface. Most pros are not going to be missing the sweet spot by a large margin, so I would guess that the effects of the tech will be small. I'm very curious to hear more about what happens if you hit one further off the toe or heel and how the tech responds. I wonder if it will almost be too much help, with balls starting further off line than we might like to see? I'm hoping some of this is addressed in the detailed write ups to come. It's interesting tech though!

 

my guess to the twistface is that it will reduce the gear affect (not sure if the terminology is correct) that we experience when we hit a ball off the toe or heel. how much it reduces that spin is the question imo. you hit a ball way off line because your face is wide open is still going to wipe across the ball and slice with twist face, just not as far offline.

[blink3665]

I'm still working on a detailed write up for you guys. For the people that are asking if Twist Face will help amateurs, I can tell you that it probably will. I'm sure it will help different people to different degrees. YMMV However, I hit it all over the face from high toe to low heel and everywhere in between. (On purpose... Of course... For... Um... Testing purposes... Yeah. Testing.)

 

I tried to get all the ball marks in 1 pic. We'll see how it looks on the internet with a watermark on it.

 

 

[Cruisin1966]

I'm still working on a detailed write up for you guys. For the people that are asking if Twist Face will help amateurs, I can tell you that it probably will. I'm sure it will help different people to different degrees. YMMV However, I hit it all over the face from high toe to low heel and everywhere in between. (On purpose... Of course... For... Um... Testing purposes... Yeah. Testing.)

 

I tried to get all the ball marks in 1 pic. We'll see how it looks on the internet with a watermark on it.

 

 

 

That club face looks well loved. Good on you for "testing" it the way you did lol

[drewtaylor21]

I think it will be interesting to see what amateurs are experiencing with twistface. Most pros are not going to be missing the sweet spot by a large margin, so I would guess that the effects of the tech will be small. I'm very curious to hear more about what happens if you hit one further off the toe or heel and how the tech responds. I wonder if it will almost be too much help, with balls starting further off line than we might like to see? I'm hoping some of this is addressed in the detailed write ups to come. It's interesting tech though!

 

my guess to the twistface is that it will reduce the gear affect (not sure if the terminology is correct) that we experience when we hit a ball off the toe or heel. how much it reduces that spin is the question imo. you hit a ball way off line because your face is wide open is still going to wipe across the ball and slice with twist face, just not as far offline.

 

My understanding of the tech is that it will have more of an impact on where the ball starts. For example, if you hit it off the toe, twistface will make it start further to the right, but the gear effect will now bring it back to the fairway or closer to it, rather than missing the fw left with standard bulge and roll.

 

I could be wrong, but that was how I interpreted things. Mostly just curious to hear feedback from the guys! :)

[JStang]

I'm still working on a detailed write up for you guys. For the people that are asking if Twist Face will help amateurs, I can tell you that it probably will. I'm sure it will help different people to different degrees. YMMV However, I hit it all over the face from high toe to low heel and everywhere in between. (On purpose... Of course... For... Um... Testing purposes... Yeah. Testing.)

 

I tried to get all the ball marks in 1 pic. We'll see how it looks on the internet with a watermark on it.

 

 

 

Yep, you've got every square inch covered LOL.

[Captain Morgan]

I’m just a tad jealous. I have to settle on getting fit for a new M3/M4 at a big box store. Walk in hand you a driver and disappear for a few minutes. Come back and ask do you like it. Another words I’m fitting myself. Enjoy guys. Awesome experience there.

[dpb5031]

very nice indeed! whats he rolling the rock with ? looks like an original 8802?

 

Arnold Palmer AP30r. They were all laughing at me with that relic. Looks like something you'd grab out of a bin at putt-putt, but it works for me...lol!!!?

[TheMoneyShot]

very nice indeed! whats he rolling the rock with ? looks like an original 8802?

 

Arnold Palmer AP30r. They were all laughing at me with that relic. Looks like something you'd grab out of a bin at putt-putt, but it works for me...lol!!!?

 

Wilson DBAP putter??

[jpdx]

I think it will be interesting to see what amateurs are experiencing with twistface. Most pros are not going to be missing the sweet spot by a large margin, so I would guess that the effects of the tech will be small. I'm very curious to hear more about what happens if you hit one further off the toe or heel and how the tech responds. I wonder if it will almost be too much help, with balls starting further off line than we might like to see? I'm hoping some of this is addressed in the detailed write ups to come. It's interesting tech though!

 

my guess to the twistface is that it will reduce the gear affect (not sure if the terminology is correct) that we experience when we hit a ball off the toe or heel. how much it reduces that spin is the question imo. you hit a ball way off line because your face is wide open is still going to wipe across the ball and slice with twist face, just not as far offline.

 

My understanding of the tech is that it will have more of an impact on where the ball starts. For example, if you hit it off the toe, twistface will make it start further to the right, but the gear effect will now bring it back to the fairway or closer to it, rather than missing the fw left with standard bulge and roll.

 

I could be wrong, but that was how I interpreted things. Mostly just curious to hear feedback from the guys! :)

 

admittedly, I haven't looked or read to far into the "tech" and very possibly wrong. either way, looking forward to the detailed feedback from everyone on the trip!

[blink3665]

very nice indeed! whats he rolling the rock with ? looks like an original 8802?

 

Arnold Palmer AP30r. They were all laughing at me with that relic. Looks like something you'd grab out of a bin at putt-putt, but it works for me...lol!!!?

 

I loved the putter. But 'the pickle'? (Sorry. You're going to have to explain what that is again to GolfWRX)

[dpb5031]

very nice indeed! whats he rolling the rock with ? looks like an original 8802?

 

Arnold Palmer AP30r. They were all laughing at me with that relic. Looks like something you'd grab out of a bin at putt-putt, but it works for me...lol!!!?

 

I loved the putter. But 'the pickle'? (Sorry. You're going to have to explain what that is again to GolfWRX)

 

Kasco K2K 33 circa 2000 with an Axivcore Tour Green shaft. Half hybrid, half fairway metal, ugly green color in an oblong shape. Looks just like a Vlasic dill but goes 230 and lands like a PW...lol!!!?

[jll62]

I think it will be interesting to see what amateurs are experiencing with twistface. Most pros are not going to be missing the sweet spot by a large margin, so I would guess that the effects of the tech will be small. I'm very curious to hear more about what happens if you hit one further off the toe or heel and how the tech responds. I wonder if it will almost be too much help, with balls starting further off line than we might like to see? I'm hoping some of this is addressed in the detailed write ups to come. It's interesting tech though!

 

my guess to the twistface is that it will reduce the gear affect (not sure if the terminology is correct) that we experience when we hit a ball off the toe or heel. how much it reduces that spin is the question imo. you hit a ball way off line because your face is wide open is still going to wipe across the ball and slice with twist face, just not as far offline.

 

My understanding of the tech is that it will have more of an impact on where the ball starts. For example, if you hit it off the toe, twistface will make it start further to the right, but the gear effect will now bring it back to the fairway or closer to it, rather than missing the fw left with standard bulge and roll.

 

I could be wrong, but that was how I interpreted things. Mostly just curious to hear feedback from the guys! :)

 

admittedly, I haven't looked or read to far into the "tech" and very possibly wrong. either way, looking forward to the detailed feedback from everyone on the trip!

 

As I understand it, TaylorMade's data showed that toe strikes tend to be low trajectory with less spin and end up left of target. So the toe is pulled back a bit to add loft (for spin) and the face is a little more open, meaning the ball will end up less left than with traditional bulge and roll. Heel strikes are pretty much the opposite. They're high spinners that end up right of target, so the face has less loft in the heel to reduce traj/spin, and it's a little more closed so the ball will not end as far right.

[dpb5031]

I'm freakin' exhausted and heading to dinner now, but I just want to say that the Twist Face tech really works and will provide tangible performance benefits to a wide range of players. The practice tee is one thing, but it was very cool to see it work on the course.

 

I'll provide more detail in my comprehensive write-up after I get home tomorrow, but this experience was first-class all the way!

[dpb5031]

very nice indeed! whats he rolling the rock with ? looks like an original 8802?

 

Arnold Palmer AP30r. They were all laughing at me with that relic. Looks like something you'd grab out of a bin at putt-putt, but it works for me...lol!!!?

 

I loved the putter. But 'the pickle'? (Sorry. You're going to have to explain what that is again to GolfWRX)

 

See above!

[JStang]

Wow, someone sold a tour issue M3 head for $1,200 on eBay.

 

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F162847187824

[3_Jack_Par]

 

Twist face will help the most with better players for sure

 

If I understand the idea behind the Twist Face, the idea is that the heel and toe areas are a little sharper angle away from the target, which will help to start heel & toe strikes start a little farther left/right of the line so it counteracts the gear effect somewhat (I’d think this would exacerbate sidespin and cancel out, but I’m no physicist). Regardless of how effective it is, it seems like this will be more helpful for higher handicappers versus Tour pros and better players who hit the sweet spot more often than not.

[Pure745]

Well, hoping the lack of pics means you guys were really dialed in and heavily consuming adult beverages while playing for denominations on the course :beach:

 

Interested to read all the write ups!

[Gamble Gamble]

Did Brian Bazzel or any of the engineers go more into the twist face tech?

 

I've heard different people give their thoughts, but from what I gather, simply put, twist face is done by changing the axis of the bulge clockwise (looking at the face) a number of degrees to better account for the strike pattern on the face and to reduce the side spin from off Center strikes? Is this off base??

 

I'm not looking for trade secrets, but I haven't seen a very good explanation that people can understand.

 

I would also like to hear them talk a little bit more about the technical aspects of TwistFace and how it differs from Cobra's tech, for example. I was under the impression that TwistFace is more than just tilting the axis of the bulge & roll, which is what Cobra has been doing. I know they're addressing a similar problem, but I thought they were doing it in different ways. But it would be nice to hear TM differentiate them to answer this common question.

 

I had the good fortune to play my round with Tim (blink), Mark and Scott from TM. While my play during this round was at the low end of my early season range, it was still fun to play golf with good people while wearing shorts in January.

 

Mark is TM’s R&D manager and we broached the subject of cobra’s face manipulation that people here claim TM copies from Cobra. He wanted to know more so he reached out with their competitive analysis expert.

 

(NOTE: I do not have a mechanical engineering or materials degree so this may not be worded perfectly but I’ll try to recapitulate what he said as accurately as possible)

 

What the researcher said was that Cobra did an assymetrical bulge and roll. Assymetrical bulge and roll did not twist the face, it made those Cobra drivers deliver better launch conditions for better distance NOT directional control and tighter dispersion.

 

TF tech is there to help minimize the toe hook and the heel wipe slice. Twist face can neutralize a 5 yd toe hook into a 1 yd fade. Also, my swing speed on the M3 was up on average 4 mph over the G400.

[scottaz]

Well, hoping the lack of pics means you guys were really dialed in and heavily consuming adult beverages while playing for denominations on the course :beach:

 

Interested to read all the write ups!

 

We had a stud photographer with us. Some of us weren't even bothering since we knew Calvin would do it better. I'm sure he nailed it.

[scottaz]

Just left Dallas. 2 hours 40 minutes to Philly. My plan was to do the write while flying home but I don't think I 'd do a good job of it right now.

 

I have a lot of stuff written down and I'm sure, with the others, we can answer most questions, but don't over think it. High toe is a 1/2 degree open and low heel 1/2 half closed. It'll work for you or it won't. I saw too many toe shots that felt awful stay in play over the past few days to question it.

[Gamble Gamble]

Well, hoping the lack of pics means you guys were really dialed in and heavily consuming adult beverages while playing for denominations on the course :beach:

 

Interested to read all the write ups!

 

 

 

 

[RonSwanson]

My two photos from today.

 

#3 at Aviara is a gorgeous par 3.

 

 

 

“Make it a double?” “Why not.”

 

 

[WHC888]

what a day!!! Sorry that I didn't keep up with the LIVE updates like others, more details and hi-res pictures are coming I promise.

I do want to mention/brag :sorry: about the skills challenge thou.

 

Scott - longest drive (310+ yards) - won a Hi-Toe wedge

 

Kenton - longest DJ 4 iron shot (260+ yards) - won Hi-Toe wedge

 

Me - straightest drive (2.6 yards off center line) - won TaylorMade putter

 

Me - closest to the pin from 70 yards (the only guy that hit the green unfortunately) - won TaylorMade M3/M4 fairway wood.

 

Congrats.

 

Since you were the only one playing the M2 previously, what stood out to you with the M4? Primarily interested in any dispersion improvements.

 

thanks

so M4 was the first head that my fitter wanted me to try due to me playing a M2, and to be honest the number just didn't stand out, M4 vs my 16' M2 same shaft and setting, spin rates dropped on average of 200 rpm, launch angle increased about 1 degree, 4 total yards gain on average. And as far as dispersion goes, it was almost identical to my M2 as well. BUT......to be fair, the sample size was extremely small, I hit about 10 shots at the most with the M4 head, so I'd still encourage you or anybody else to give it a try yourself.

[RonSwanson]

 

Twist face will help the most with better players for sure

 

If I understand the idea behind the Twist Face, the idea is that the heel and toe areas are a little sharper angle away from the target, which will help to start heel & toe strikes start a little farther left/right of the line so it counteracts the gear effect somewhat (I’d think this would exacerbate sidespin and cancel out, but I’m no physicist). Regardless of how effective it is, it seems like this will be more helpful for higher handicappers versus Tour pros and better players who hit the sweet spot more often than not.

 

In actual numbers from center, 15mm higher and 15mm toward the toe has .5* open and .5* more loft. Going the other direction, 15mm lower and 15mm toward the heel has .5* less loft and .5* closed.

 

TM data showed 75-80% of golfers misses on the high toe resulted in low spinning hooks and misses on the low heel resulted in high spinning fades.

 

Twist Face gives the diving hook more loft and spin and the heel fade less loft and spin. Everyone was very clear that this is not a miracle that will save really poor strikes and for the misses that don’t fall into these categories the results would be different.

 

I know several people brought up the toe fade. That miss will most likely go a touch further right, for a right handed golfer, than it otherwise would. I had two of them late in the round today, but it never got me in trouble and there was no noticeable difference to me with that miss than with the G400.

[scottaz]

Ok, I'm going to try to post some pics of what went down 5 minutes into our fitting.

 

First of, Perry is just flat out cool. Not just hype.

 

He also gave it to me straight and called me out on a few things. I'll get more into the full experience later but wanted to share this one alone, since it was pretty neat.

 

He had me fat a few irons and duck hook a few drivers and then we got started. I did manage to hit some good ones eventually with my Ping G400 LST on the big minus. So then I try the M3, with I don't even know what shaft. He said I don't have what we're going to need here. Come with me.

 

He took me back to what I imagine the inside of a tour van would look like. And put together my shaft from scratch.

 

He then ripped off an engineers super spicy, core tested 440 head. I'll get some pics up of the dots and T's on the face. But they were low on 440 heads (lucky for Calvin) and some poor engineers weekend got ruined because of me. I was swinging that pup 2 minutes after the build.

 

edit....pics coming soon battery at 14%.

[WHC888]

Twist face will help the most with better players for sure

 

If I understand the idea behind the Twist Face, the idea is that the heel and toe areas are a little sharper angle away from the target, which will help to start heel & toe strikes start a little farther left/right of the line so it counteracts the gear effect somewhat (I’d think this would exacerbate sidespin and cancel out, but I’m no physicist). Regardless of how effective it is, it seems like this will be more helpful for higher handicappers versus Tour pros and better players who hit the sweet spot more often than not.

 

In actual numbers from center, 15mm higher and 15mm toward the toe has .5* open and .5* more loft. Going the other direction, 15mm lower and 15mm toward the heel has .5* less loft and .5* closed.

 

TM data showed 75-80% of golfers misses on the high toe resulted in low spinning hooks and misses on the low heel resulted in high spinning fades.

 

Twist Face gives the diving hook more loft and spin and the heel fade less loft and spin. Everyone was very clear that this is not a miracle that will save really poor strikes and for the misses that don’t fall into these categories the results would be different.

 

I know several people brought up the toe fade. That miss will most likely go a touch further right, for a right handed golfer, than it otherwise would, I had two of them late in the round today, but it never got me in trouble and there was no noticeable difference to me with that miss than with the G400.

 

lol, funny you mention that. after 6 holes today I was telling Jory that instead of "twist face" what I really need is "miracle face"!!

[RonSwanson]

High Toe. To my eye, this has the best shape of the “high toe” wedge designs out there. More compact look and a fun wedge around the greens. Look for this line to expand in the future.