RECAPS: The TaylorMade #TwistFaceExperience. 7 GolfWRX members visit The Kingdom for an exclusive M3

[Pure745]

Twist face will help the most with better players for sure

 

If I understand the idea behind the Twist Face, the idea is that the heel and toe areas are a little sharper angle away from the target, which will help to start heel & toe strikes start a little farther left/right of the line so it counteracts the gear effect somewhat (I'd think this would exacerbate sidespin and cancel out, but I'm no physicist). Regardless of how effective it is, it seems like this will be more helpful for higher handicappers versus Tour pros and better players who hit the sweet spot more often than not.

 

In actual numbers from center, 15mm higher and 15mm toward the toe has .5* open and .5* more loft. Going the other direction, 15mm lower and 15mm toward the heel has .5* less loft and .5* closed.

 

TM data showed 75-80% of golfers misses on the high toe resulted in low spinning hooks and misses on the low heel resulted in high spinning fades.

 

Twist Face gives the diving hook more loft and spin and the heel fade less loft and spin. Everyone was very clear that this is not a miracle that will save really poor strikes and for the misses that don't fall into these categories the results would be different.

 

I know several people brought up the toe fade. That miss will most likely go a touch further right, for a right handed golfer, than it otherwise would. I had two of them late in the round today, but it never got me in trouble and there was no noticeable difference to me with that miss than with the G400.

 

Low spinning hooks is the main problem I had and catastrophic miss with the Epic that the 917 doesn't have. With my SS hitting that toe hook miss is going to end up in a really bad place 95% of the time unless it hits something :) Good to know, interested to try this driver now. Also, did you guys notice the sweet spot was bigger? That's another interesting thing to me.

 

Thanks!

[gambit]

Is the twist face more effective on misses toward the toe or heel? High/low on the face? Does the twist feel weird when it actually does what it's supposed to do?

 

It's the difference of roughly a half degree, on certain parts of the face, from the standard bulge and roll... and it's actually done to slightly minimize the effect that bulge and roll create. Toe and heel strikes are still going to feel like toe and heel strikes.

 

Well that sucks for me lol

 

And, in your case, crown strikes will feel like crown strikes, as well. LOL

 

I hate you

[dpb5031]

Twist face will help the most with better players for sure

 

If I understand the idea behind the Twist Face, the idea is that the heel and toe areas are a little sharper angle away from the target, which will help to start heel & toe strikes start a little farther left/right of the line so it counteracts the gear effect somewhat (I'd think this would exacerbate sidespin and cancel out, but I'm no physicist). Regardless of how effective it is, it seems like this will be more helpful for higher handicappers versus Tour pros and better players who hit the sweet spot more often than not.

 

In actual numbers from center, 15mm higher and 15mm toward the toe has .5* open and .5* more loft. Going the other direction, 15mm lower and 15mm toward the heel has .5* less loft and .5* closed.

 

TM data showed 75-80% of golfers misses on the high toe resulted in low spinning hooks and misses on the low heel resulted in high spinning fades.

 

Twist Face gives the diving hook more loft and spin and the heel fade less loft and spin. Everyone was very clear that this is not a miracle that will save really poor strikes and for the misses that don't fall into these categories the results would be different.

 

I know several people brought up the toe fade. That miss will most likely go a touch further right, for a right handed golfer, than it otherwise would. I had two of them late in the round today, but it never got me in trouble and there was no noticeable difference to me with that miss than with the G400.

 

Low spinning hooks is the main problem I had and catastrophic miss with the Epic that the 917 doesn't have. With my SS hitting that toe hook miss is going to end up in a really bad place 95% of the time unless it hits something :) Good to know, interested to try this driver now. Also, did you guys notice the sweet spot was bigger? That's another interesting thing to me.

 

Thanks!

 

Yes, I perceived the sweet spot to be bigger and certainly friendlier. I was swinging horribly during my fitting yesterday and was not producing my normal shot shapes and/or strikes. My smash factor was terrible (for me) averaging 1.42 without eliminating a few real clunkers. That's pretty poor for my HC.

 

Anyway, all of the new M3/M4 heads produced better patterns than my Epic SZ during this session. The nose-diving pull hook was most noticeably mitigated. Very cool to hit one out of the toe, feel the face torque at impact, yet see the ball resist diving hard left as you might normally expect.

 

Thankfully I hit it reasonably well on the course today and felt like I had more of what would be my normal swing going. I just wish I beat Jory for that $300 bottle of Caymus Special Select... (he birdied 18 and we halved, so no blood...lol?) but Rob and I lost to Ryan (Ham) and Matt (Eggs).

 

Good thing I had that insurance bet with Chris (Gamble Gamble)!?

[kfarley]

Hey guys, my name is Kris Farley and I work for Taylormade in Calgary. I run the Taylormade Performance Centre at Blue Devil in Calgary. We have the entire line of products and the entire custom line of shafts. During the winter we run out of the golf dome on 32nd ave. I would love to have you guys out when the weather is better (hopefully before July) and you could do a write up on the forums. Send me a pm and hopefully we can set something up.

[DNice26]

Anyone else notice that Xander S. is now sponsored by Callaway, but appears to be gaming an M4 at the Sony?

 

#comeonletstwistagainlikewedidlastsummer

 

Just found that interesting as I watch golf at 4am.... :russian_roulette:

[CheckJV]

Any chance TM will offer a high loft version of the M3 or M4 Driver?

 

12* on the Taylormade website now. So yes. If you look at my signature I have HL clubs everywhere. Cant wait to hit the M4.

 

I see that now. I was hoping they would issue a 14-degree too.

[getair23]

Amazing trip, glad to see you had the times of your life! Hope you are all well rested and ready to spend some time on WRX today. Can we see some more wedges too. Thanks.

[DNice26]

Great updates lads! Weather looks like it was fantastic. Lucky dogs. Looks like they rolled out the red carpet. Get those write ups done! lol....no pressure.

[DNice26]

BTW, sadly, due to the split of TM and Adidas, you guys missed out on getting on course photos from the legend Ollie.

 

Really enjoy looking back at the photos he took for us on the course.

 

Highly recommend following him on Instagram: ollieneglerio

[SwooshLT]

Any chance TM will offer a high loft version of the M3 or M4 Driver?

 

12* on the Taylormade website now. So yes. If you look at my signature I have HL clubs everywhere. Cant wait to hit the M4.

 

I see that now. I was hoping they would issue a 14-degree too.

 

 

Seems like launch is much easier as alot of guys are under current lofts unlike SLDR

[TheMoneyShot]

Hey guys, my name is Kris Farley and I work for Taylormade in Calgary. I run the Taylormade Performance Centre at Blue Devil in Calgary. We have the entire line of products and the entire custom line of shafts. During the winter we run out of the golf dome on 32nd ave. I would love to have you guys out when the weather is better (hopefully before July) and you could do a write up on the forums. Send me a pm and hopefully we can set something up.

 

Count me in!

[GC70]

Dewey with a 338 yard drive with his new TaylorMade M4 and then made the bird.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Nice, but I believe Drew hit it in the Fairway longer and with last years old technology. ;) I’m just saying.

[jll62]

Anyone else notice that Xander S. is now sponsored by Callaway, but appears to be gaming an M4 at the Sony?

 

#comeonletstwistagainlikewedidlastsummer

 

Just found that interesting as I watch golf at 4am.... :russian_roulette:

 

From what I saw, Xander is still playing his M2 and his P750s. Not a great look for Callaway when they touted the switch as being done for the equipment. At least Sergio switched into the new gear quickly.

 

And Wes Bryan took driver out of his bag and, according to Jerry Foltz, said he might not put it back in until after the FL swing because he had no control with it. Sounds like he needs Twist Face :D

[jll62]

BTW, sadly, due to the split of TM and Adidas, you guys missed out on getting on course photos from the legend Ollie.

 

Really enjoy looking back at the photos he took for us on the course.

 

Highly recommend following him on Instagram: ollieneglerio

 

Ollie is a TaylorMade employee, not adidas.

[CheckJV]

Any chance TM will offer a high loft version of the M3 or M4 Driver?

 

12* on the Taylormade website now. So yes. If you look at my signature I have HL clubs everywhere. Cant wait to hit the M4.

 

I see that now. I was hoping they would issue a 14-degree too.

 

 

Seems like launch is much easier as alot of guys are under current lofts unlike SLDR

 

I tried the M1/M2 in 12-degree and they were too low launch for me. So yes, the M3/M4 is a new product, perhaps they are higher launching than both the SLDR and the M1/M2. Will be interested to see once these are available.

[DNice26]

BTW, sadly, due to the split of TM and Adidas, you guys missed out on getting on course photos from the legend Ollie.

 

Really enjoy looking back at the photos he took for us on the course.

 

Highly recommend following him on Instagram: ollieneglerio

 

Ollie is a TaylorMade employee, not adidas.

 

My bad. Reversed them. Well maybe he took some pics for them then! Hope so for their sake, as his pics are great.

[GC70]

Ok. Help :help: me out here, I'll try to explain this the best I can. I will wear out the toe be for any sweat spot.. So its like 15mm on the toe that has the twist face? You'll get different results when hitting it in different parts of the 15mm, yes?

[GC70]

Hey, where is Gamble? Did he make it home yet? :telephone:

[HipCheck]

Hey, where is Gamble? Did he make it home yet? :telephone:

 

Last I heard he was on a 10pm redeye last night. Hopefully got in and some shuteye.

[Gamble Gamble]

Hey, where is Gamble? Did he make it home yet? :telephone:

 

Last I heard he was on a 10pm redeye last night. Hopefully got in and some shuteye.

 

Haha thanks for your concern.

 

I just got back due to a few delays with AA. I have an outline of the trip I worked on at the airport but I’m deliriously tired and I doubt I could put together a coherent sentence

[Sean2]

Did anyone on the trip view the new drivers as real game changers? And if so, why?

[Jungleland]

High Toe. To my eye, this has the best shape of the "high toe" wedge designs out there. More compact look and a fun wedge around the greens. Look for this line to expand in the future.

 

 

 

 

 

Maybe I missed it but did anyone say what lofts the Hi-Toe Wedge will come in?

[Gamble Gamble]

Did anyone on the trip view the new drivers as real game changers? And if so, why?

 

My swing felt really rusty/tense during our round but the usual toe hook that I fight went from a hook to a mini fade during fittings.

 

For me that aspect is huuuuuge.

 

If I can keep hooks off the menu I can score 77-83, if the hooks show up... pick a number between 85-95 on my current course. Also because of the new aerodynamics and that I wasn’t as concerned about missing a little off center, I was able to swing 4 mph faster with the m3 v g400.

 

 

High Toe. To my eye, this has the best shape of the "high toe" wedge designs out there. More compact look and a fun wedge around the greens. Look for this line to expand in the future.

 

 

 

 

 

Maybe I missed it but did anyone say what lofts the Hi-Toe Wedge will come in?

 

I hit both the 60 and 64

[Sean2]

Did anyone on the trip view the new drivers as real game changers? And if so, why?

 

My swing felt really rusty/tense during our round but the usual toe hook that I fight went from a hook to a mini fade during fittings.

 

For me that aspect is huuuuuge.

 

If I can keep hooks off the menu I can score 77-83, if the hooks show up... pick a number between 85-95 on my current course. Also because of the new aerodynamics and that I wasn't as concerned about missing a little off center, I was able to swing 4 mph faster with the m3 v g400.

 

 

High Toe. To my eye, this has the best shape of the "high toe" wedge designs out there. More compact look and a fun wedge around the greens. Look for this line to expand in the future.

 

 

 

 

 

Maybe I missed it but did anyone say what lofts the Hi-Toe Wedge will come in?

 

I hit both the 60 and 64

 

Thanks Gamble. :-)

[specimania]

Hey guys, my name is Kris Farley and I work for Taylormade in Calgary. I run the Taylormade Performance Centre at Blue Devil in Calgary. We have the entire line of products and the entire custom line of shafts. During the winter we run out of the golf dome on 32nd ave. I would love to have you guys out when the weather is better (hopefully before July) and you could do a write up on the forums. Send me a pm and hopefully we can set something up.

 

Fantastic experience with Kris in the past. Highly recommend going to see him if you are around the Calgary area or not. Well worth the time!

[Cruisin1966]

Hey guys, my name is Kris Farley and I work for Taylormade in Calgary. I run the Taylormade Performance Centre at Blue Devil in Calgary. We have the entire line of products and the entire custom line of shafts. During the winter we run out of the golf dome on 32nd ave. I would love to have you guys out when the weather is better (hopefully before July) and you could do a write up on the forums. Send me a pm and hopefully we can set something up.

 

Count me in!

 

Fantastic experience with Kris in the past. Highly recommend going to see him if you are around the Calgary area or not. Well worth the time!

 

I've sent a PM. I would love to find someone capable with all the proper equipment to do it right.

[TheMoneyShot]

High Toe. To my eye, this has the best shape of the "high toe" wedge designs out there. More compact look and a fun wedge around the greens. Look for this line to expand in the future.

 

 

 

 

 

Maybe I missed it but did anyone say what lofts the Hi-Toe Wedge will come in?

 

58, 60, 62 and 64.

[drewtaylor21]

Dewey with a 338 yard drive with his new TaylorMade M4 and then made the bird.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Nice, but I believe Drew hit it in the Fairway longer and with last years old technology. ;) I'm just saying.

 

Unfortunately I fatted a wedge to 40' and 3-putted :cry:

 

But....D-Type forever!! lol

[scottaz]

Here's a few close ups of the M3 440 they found for me and a some with the g400 8.5 LST for head comparisons.

 

I've always liked deep face, smaller profile heads.

[Ed Settle]

Any chance TM will offer a high loft version of the M3 or M4 Driver?

 

12* on the Taylormade website now. So yes. If you look at my signature I have HL clubs everywhere. Cant wait to hit the M4.

 

I see that now. I was hoping they would issue a 14-degree too.

 

 

Seems like launch is much easier as alot of guys are under current lofts unlike SLDR

 

Noticed that also. SLDR/R15 was 12° for me. But my ’17 M1was a 10.5 that I played 2 notches higher. I’m wondering if I could play at 10.5 straight in. Kind a looking forward to testing that