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Someone get me up to speed here...….How do we know now for sure that the caddie was paid 5000.00...….Last I knew, this was here say from some dopy looking guy in plaid shorts.

 

Because Tom Gillis said so

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Craziest thread I've been a part of. Has to be.

 

Allenby kidnapping still the GOAT

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Craziest thread I've been a part of. Has to be.

 

Allenby kidnapping still the GOAT

 

Allenby and Gillis are probably at a bar drinking a beer together laughing at us all.

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Craziest thread I've been a part of. Has to be.

 

Allenby kidnapping still the GOAT

 

The Mother of All Threads started on

 

Thanksgiving 2009 ; )

 

That thread was almost too much. I remember the day man....was at work, read the headline on ESPN and came here, thread was already like 53 pages.

 

I mean you didn't even have time to post something, you'd respond to someone and it would be like 2 pages ago after 45 seconds. And we didn't even know what we were arguing yet.

 

The best part of the Woods saga back then was when the Ben Crane imposter did an interview and said Tiger was an immoral horrible person LOL....and then people found out it wasn't actually Ben Crane. Remember that?

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Triggered SJW is my new porn name.

 

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How to get a fictitious porn star name:

"Your first name is the name of your first childhood pet. Your last name is the name of the street you grew up on. If your pet was named Brutus and you grew up on Evergreen Lane; your name would be Brutus Evergreen."

 

I took some liberties with the above rules to arrive at Triggered SJW

 

I am, "Zeus Rubidoux"

 

Our first dog was a stray who was named because of a severe issue with his gait.

 

Sadly, this makes me Limper Biskett.

 

Explains a lot.

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Corrective ribbon? Geez you must have lived on the right side of town. That's on the dee-luxe model, too. We used this instead.

 

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Did you know that the mother of Michael Nesmith of The Monkees made a fortune after inventing what became Liquid Paper?

 

Thought we needed some useful info here!

 

Nesmith was the only guy in The Monkees who could actually play. Important news I know. :)

 

Yeah, but Davey Jones could SING, baby!!!!

 

Yup! And he got first pick of the chicks!

 

And he went to Prom with Marcia.

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Who is Cameron Percy

Apparently an SJW that dislikes Kucher. He also seems to play professional golf.

 

I'm old and naive...what's a SJW?

 

Me too, I just googled it. Social Justice Warrior.

 

If you were using the Chrome browser you coulda just double-clicked on it. :D

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I love how tipping (and all its associated trappings and etiquette and discussions thereof, etc.) is now something that people who hate SJW's are now including as an SJW "thing." Tipping!!!

 

People have been arguing about tipping and what is and is not acceptable for well over a hundred years.

 

Back in the day, my parents used to go out with a couple, and the husband of the couple was notoriously cheap and a poor tipper. He would do things like not order a meal but "share" with everybody. When it came time to "settle up," he was the "Emily had a salad and I just had a coke" guy, even though he ate half the nachos and asked for "a bite" of your Porterhouse (which turned into 4 bites).

 

I will never forget the discussions about the guy.

 

My point is not that these situations are perfectly analogous, my point is that turning this into a "social justice warrior" thing is a huge stretch. People on the right and left of the political spectrum have complained about (their own version of) "cheap" people for as long as people have been exchanging money.

 

Some people believe this is (hypothetically, of course) "cheap" behavior and others don't. That's it.

 

No need to get all "triggered" into SJW-labelling. (See how I turned that around?!?!) ;-)

 

People in this thread have been triggered for different reasons.

 

I'll admit that I was/am triggered by the fact that it seems many that have participated in this thread are fully willing to morally condemn Matt Kuchar based on - get this - zero evidence. If Matt was a cheap bastxxx in this case then he was a cheap bastxxx - but the point is that we do not know. We do not know.

 

As far as I'm concerned its wrong to pass moral judgement on Matt on this, a private matter. Again, as far as I'm concerned, its especially wrong in the absence of facts or evidence.

 

I'm willing to accept that I'm one of the triggered ones but there has been some "preening" going on here. Big time.

 

Get out of here with that honest, even handed logical post. It has no business here. ;)

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I love how tipping (and all its associated trappings and etiquette and discussions thereof, etc.) is now something that people who hate SJW's are now including as an SJW "thing." Tipping!!!

 

People have been arguing about tipping and what is and is not acceptable for well over a hundred years.

 

Back in the day, my parents used to go out with a couple, and the husband of the couple was notoriously cheap and a poor tipper. He would do things like not order a meal but "share" with everybody. When it came time to "settle up," he was the "Emily had a salad and I just had a coke" guy, even though he ate half the nachos and asked for "a bite" of your Porterhouse (which turned into 4 bites).

 

I will never forget the discussions about the guy.

 

My point is not that these situations are perfectly analogous, my point is that turning this into a "social justice warrior" thing is a huge stretch. People on the right and left of the political spectrum have complained about (their own version of) "cheap" people for as long as people have been exchanging money.

 

Some people believe this is (hypothetically, of course) "cheap" behavior and others don't. That's it.

 

No need to get all "triggered" into SJW-labelling. (See how I turned that around?!?!) ;-)

 

People in this thread have been triggered for different reasons.

 

I'll admit that I was/am triggered by the fact that it seems many that have participated in this thread are fully willing to morally condemn Matt Kuchar based on - get this - zero evidence. If Matt was a cheap bastxxx in this case then he was a cheap bastxxx - but the point is that we do not know. We do not know.

 

As far as I'm concerned its wrong to pass moral judgement on Matt on this, a private matter. Again, as far as I'm concerned, its especially wrong in the absence of facts or evidence.

 

I'm willing to accept that I'm one of the triggered ones but there has been some "preening" going on here. Big time.

 

Get out of here with that honest, even handed logical post. It has no business here. ;)

 

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I'm old and naive...what's a SJW?

 

Me too, I just googled it. Social Justice Warrior.

 

Seriously, SNTPOAFLOWATIM.

 

Someone needs to put out a * list of what all these initials mean. I'm also trade marking that so don't anyone get any ideas.

 

That’s a lot of letters, you’re going to wear out your typewriter keys!

 

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I love how tipping (and all its associated trappings and etiquette and discussions thereof, etc.) is now something that people who hate SJW's are now including as an SJW "thing." Tipping!!!

 

People have been arguing about tipping and what is and is not acceptable for well over a hundred years.

 

Back in the day, my parents used to go out with a couple, and the husband of the couple was notoriously cheap and a poor tipper. He would do things like not order a meal but "share" with everybody. When it came time to "settle up," he was the "Emily had a salad and I just had a coke" guy, even though he ate half the nachos and asked for "a bite" of your Porterhouse (which turned into 4 bites).

 

I will never forget the discussions about the guy.

 

My point is not that these situations are perfectly analogous, my point is that turning this into a "social justice warrior" thing is a huge stretch. People on the right and left of the political spectrum have complained about (their own version of) "cheap" people for as long as people have been exchanging money.

 

Some people believe this is (hypothetically, of course) "cheap" behavior and others don't. That's it.

 

No need to get all "triggered" into SJW-labelling. (See how I turned that around?!?!) ;-)

 

People in this thread have been triggered for different reasons.

 

I'll admit that I was/am triggered by the fact that it seems many that have participated in this thread are fully willing to morally condemn Matt Kuchar based on - get this - zero evidence. If Matt was a cheap bastxxx in this case then he was a cheap bastxxx - but the point is that we do not know. We do not know.

 

As far as I'm concerned its wrong to pass moral judgement on Matt on this, a private matter. Again, as far as I'm concerned, its especially wrong in the absence of facts or evidence.

 

I'm willing to accept that I'm one of the triggered ones but there has been some "preening" going on here. Big time.

 

Since when are third hand accounts via some no name twitter person not verifiable evidence???

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I love how tipping (and all its associated trappings and etiquette and discussions thereof, etc.) is now something that people who hate SJW's are now including as an SJW "thing." Tipping!!!

 

People have been arguing about tipping and what is and is not acceptable for well over a hundred years.

 

Back in the day, my parents used to go out with a couple, and the husband of the couple was notoriously cheap and a poor tipper. He would do things like not order a meal but "share" with everybody. When it came time to "settle up," he was the "Emily had a salad and I just had a coke" guy, even though he ate half the nachos and asked for "a bite" of your Porterhouse (which turned into 4 bites).

 

I will never forget the discussions about the guy.

 

My point is not that these situations are perfectly analogous, my point is that turning this into a "social justice warrior" thing is a huge stretch. People on the right and left of the political spectrum have complained about (their own version of) "cheap" people for as long as people have been exchanging money.

 

Some people believe this is (hypothetically, of course) "cheap" behavior and others don't. That's it.

 

No need to get all "triggered" into SJW-labelling. (See how I turned that around?!?!) ;-)

 

People in this thread have been triggered for different reasons.

 

I'll admit that I was/am triggered by the fact that it seems many that have participated in this thread are fully willing to morally condemn Matt Kuchar based on - get this - zero evidence. If Matt was a cheap bastxxx in this case then he was a cheap bastxxx - but the point is that we do not know. We do not know.

 

As far as I'm concerned its wrong to pass moral judgement on Matt on this, a private matter. Again, as far as I'm concerned, its especially wrong in the absence of facts or evidence.

 

I'm willing to accept that I'm one of the triggered ones but there has been some "preening" going on here. Big time.

 

Since when are third hand accounts via some no name twitter person not verifiable evidence???

 

Maybe I should reconsider my entire view on meta-ethics.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

(Yes, I just used the term meta-ethics. I am very smart.)

 

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I love how tipping (and all its associated trappings and etiquette and discussions thereof, etc.) is now something that people who hate SJW's are now including as an SJW "thing." Tipping!!!

 

People have been arguing about tipping and what is and is not acceptable for well over a hundred years.

 

Back in the day, my parents used to go out with a couple, and the husband of the couple was notoriously cheap and a poor tipper. He would do things like not order a meal but "share" with everybody. When it came time to "settle up," he was the "Emily had a salad and I just had a coke" guy, even though he ate half the nachos and asked for "a bite" of your Porterhouse (which turned into 4 bites).

 

I will never forget the discussions about the guy.

 

My point is not that these situations are perfectly analogous, my point is that turning this into a "social justice warrior" thing is a huge stretch. People on the right and left of the political spectrum have complained about (their own version of) "cheap" people for as long as people have been exchanging money.

 

Some people believe this is (hypothetically, of course) "cheap" behavior and others don't. That's it.

 

No need to get all "triggered" into SJW-labelling. (See how I turned that around?!?!) ;-)

 

People in this thread have been triggered for different reasons.

 

I'll admit that I was/am triggered by the fact that it seems many that have participated in this thread are fully willing to morally condemn Matt Kuchar based on - get this - zero evidence. If Matt was a cheap bastxxx in this case then he was a cheap bastxxx - but the point is that we do not know. We do not know.

 

As far as I'm concerned its wrong to pass moral judgement on Matt on this, a private matter. Again, as far as I'm concerned, its especially wrong in the absence of facts or evidence.

 

I'm willing to accept that I'm one of the triggered ones but there has been some "preening" going on here. Big time.

 

As far as I see it. (And read obee's post carefully)

 

Those accusing others of being sjws

 

Are the most whiny sjws I have seen in some time ; )

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I love how tipping (and all its associated trappings and etiquette and discussions thereof, etc.) is now something that people who hate SJW's are now including as an SJW "thing." Tipping!!!

 

People have been arguing about tipping and what is and is not acceptable for well over a hundred years.

 

Back in the day, my parents used to go out with a couple, and the husband of the couple was notoriously cheap and a poor tipper. He would do things like not order a meal but "share" with everybody. When it came time to "settle up," he was the "Emily had a salad and I just had a coke" guy, even though he ate half the nachos and asked for "a bite" of your Porterhouse (which turned into 4 bites).

 

I will never forget the discussions about the guy.

 

My point is not that these situations are perfectly analogous, my point is that turning this into a "social justice warrior" thing is a huge stretch. People on the right and left of the political spectrum have complained about (their own version of) "cheap" people for as long as people have been exchanging money.

 

Some people believe this is (hypothetically, of course) "cheap" behavior and others don't. That's it.

 

No need to get all "triggered" into SJW-labelling. (See how I turned that around?!?!) ;-)

 

People in this thread have been triggered for different reasons.

 

I'll admit that I was/am triggered by the fact that it seems many that have participated in this thread are fully willing to morally condemn Matt Kuchar based on - get this - zero evidence. If Matt was a cheap bastxxx in this case then he was a cheap bastxxx - but the point is that we do not know. We do not know.

 

As far as I'm concerned its wrong to pass moral judgement on Matt on this, a private matter. Again, as far as I'm concerned, its especially wrong in the absence of facts or evidence.

 

I'm willing to accept that I'm one of the triggered ones but there has been some "preening" going on here. Big time.

 

As far as I see it. (And read obee's post carefully)

 

Those accusing others of being sjws

 

Are the most whiny sjws I have seen in some time ; )

 

Hmmm. I say we circle back and start at the beginning as if the last 30 pages of this thread never happened. Maybe no one will be complaining then!

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I love how tipping (and all its associated trappings and etiquette and discussions thereof, etc.) is now something that people who hate SJW's are now including as an SJW "thing." Tipping!!!

 

People have been arguing about tipping and what is and is not acceptable for well over a hundred years.

 

Back in the day, my parents used to go out with a couple, and the husband of the couple was notoriously cheap and a poor tipper. He would do things like not order a meal but "share" with everybody. When it came time to "settle up," he was the "Emily had a salad and I just had a coke" guy, even though he ate half the nachos and asked for "a bite" of your Porterhouse (which turned into 4 bites).

 

I will never forget the discussions about the guy.

 

My point is not that these situations are perfectly analogous, my point is that turning this into a "social justice warrior" thing is a huge stretch. People on the right and left of the political spectrum have complained about (their own version of) "cheap" people for as long as people have been exchanging money.

 

Some people believe this is (hypothetically, of course) "cheap" behavior and others don't. That's it.

 

No need to get all "triggered" into SJW-labelling. (See how I turned that around?!?!) ;-)

 

People in this thread have been triggered for different reasons.

 

I'll admit that I was/am triggered by the fact that it seems many that have participated in this thread are fully willing to morally condemn Matt Kuchar based on - get this - zero evidence. If Matt was a cheap bastxxx in this case then he was a cheap bastxxx - but the point is that we do not know. We do not know.

 

As far as I'm concerned its wrong to pass moral judgement on Matt on this, a private matter. Again, as far as I'm concerned, its especially wrong in the absence of facts or evidence.

 

I'm willing to accept that I'm one of the triggered ones but there has been some "preening" going on here. Big time.

 

As far as I see it. (And read obee's post carefully)

 

Those accusing others of being sjws

 

Are the most whiny sjws I have seen in some time ; )

 

lol!!! the only rational people in the thread are the ones advocating we mind our own business and not run with the word of a self righteous clown and stay out of other peoples pockets.Pretty simple really. I dont care if anyone calls kuchar "cheap" but to suggest/state without a shred of evidence that he stiffed/scammed or wronged someone is a smear plain and simple. Ive had a bunch of fun in the thread because like with everything else in life theres alot of levity if you look hard enough for it

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I love how tipping (and all its associated trappings and etiquette and discussions thereof, etc.) is now something that people who hate SJW's are now including as an SJW "thing." Tipping!!!

 

People have been arguing about tipping and what is and is not acceptable for well over a hundred years.

 

Back in the day, my parents used to go out with a couple, and the husband of the couple was notoriously cheap and a poor tipper. He would do things like not order a meal but "share" with everybody. When it came time to "settle up," he was the "Emily had a salad and I just had a coke" guy, even though he ate half the nachos and asked for "a bite" of your Porterhouse (which turned into 4 bites).

 

I will never forget the discussions about the guy.

 

My point is not that these situations are perfectly analogous, my point is that turning this into a "social justice warrior" thing is a huge stretch. People on the right and left of the political spectrum have complained about (their own version of) "cheap" people for as long as people have been exchanging money.

 

Some people believe this is (hypothetically, of course) "cheap" behavior and others don't. That's it.

 

No need to get all "triggered" into SJW-labelling. (See how I turned that around?!?!) ;-)

 

People in this thread have been triggered for different reasons.

 

I'll admit that I was/am triggered by the fact that it seems many that have participated in this thread are fully willing to morally condemn Matt Kuchar based on - get this - zero evidence. If Matt was a cheap bastxxx in this case then he was a cheap bastxxx - but the point is that we do not know. We do not know.

 

As far as I'm concerned its wrong to pass moral judgement on Matt on this, a private matter. Again, as far as I'm concerned, its especially wrong in the absence of facts or evidence.

 

I'm willing to accept that I'm one of the triggered ones but there has been some "preening" going on here. Big time.

 

As far as I see it. (And read obee's post carefully)

 

Those accusing others of being sjws

 

Are the most whiny sjws I have seen in some time ; )

 

lol!!! the only rational people in the thread are the ones advocating we mind our own business and not run with the word of a self righteous clown and stay out of other peoples pockets.Pretty simple really. I dont care if anyone calls kuchar "cheap" but to suggest/state without a shred of evidence that he stiffed/scammed or wronged someone is a smear plain and simple. Ive had a bunch of fun in the thread because like with everything else in life theres alot of levity if you look hard enough for it

 

But thats the joke.

 

Kuch makes 5-10MM a year.

 

What does he care if anybody calls him cheap?

 

The joke is actually the people who feel they have to

 

SJW their keyboards and defend him ; )

 

Its like when we make fun of Rory or TW or Phil. They dont care. They sittin in a Ferrari in a 6 car garage lookin at they bank and laughin ; )

 

 

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Bsc, thats the issue i raised.I dont care and obviously Kuchar isnt losing any sleep over being called cheap. its the slandering of him being basically a criminal and ripping off this poor guy. How many people in this thread used terms like "fair" "righting a wrong" and so on?

 

Well if you had honed in your meta ethics better youd KNOW what's socially acceptable in terms of what's right and wrong, especially when it comes to private financial manners.

 

My neighbor called me cheap once. He asked me why I don't hire a gardener while I was mowing my lawn. I mow my lawn because I like it, the smell of gas, fresh clipped grass, fresh air, sunshine, it's soothing given the crap I deal with at work. He was like you have a Tesla, a BMW, and a high revving naturally aspirated V8 sports car (I'll let you guess which one), why are you mowing you lawn??

 

I was confused by his question, how am I supposed to mow grass with a BMW?

 

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Bsc, thats the issue i raised.I dont care and obviously Kuchar isnt losing any sleep over being called cheap. its the slandering of him being basically a criminal and ripping off this poor guy. How many people in this thread used terms like "fair" "righting a wrong" and so on?

 

Well if you had honed in your meta ethics better youd KNOW what's socially acceptable in terms of what's right and wrong, especially when it comes to private financial manners.

 

My neighbor called me cheap once. He asked me why I don't hire a gardener while I was mowing my lawn. I mow my lawn because I like it, the smell of gas, fresh clipped grass, fresh air, sunshine, it's soothing given the crap I deal with at work. He was like you have a Tesla, a BMW, and a high revving naturally aspirated V8 sports car (I'll let you guess which one), why are you mowing you lawn??

 

I was confused by his question, how am I supposed to mow grass with a BMW?

 

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I love how tipping (and all its associated trappings and etiquette and discussions thereof, etc.) is now something that people who hate SJW's are now including as an SJW "thing." Tipping!!!

 

People have been arguing about tipping and what is and is not acceptable for well over a hundred years.

 

Back in the day, my parents used to go out with a couple, and the husband of the couple was notoriously cheap and a poor tipper. He would do things like not order a meal but "share" with everybody. When it came time to "settle up," he was the "Emily had a salad and I just had a coke" guy, even though he ate half the nachos and asked for "a bite" of your Porterhouse (which turned into 4 bites).

 

I will never forget the discussions about the guy.

 

My point is not that these situations are perfectly analogous, my point is that turning this into a "social justice warrior" thing is a huge stretch. People on the right and left of the political spectrum have complained about (their own version of) "cheap" people for as long as people have been exchanging money.

 

Some people believe this is (hypothetically, of course) "cheap" behavior and others don't. That's it.

 

No need to get all "triggered" into SJW-labelling. (See how I turned that around?!?!) ;-)

 

People in this thread have been triggered for different reasons.

 

I'll admit that I was/am triggered by the fact that it seems many that have participated in this thread are fully willing to morally condemn Matt Kuchar based on - get this - zero evidence. If Matt was a cheap bastxxx in this case then he was a cheap bastxxx - but the point is that we do not know. We do not know.

 

As far as I'm concerned its wrong to pass moral judgement on Matt on this, a private matter. Again, as far as I'm concerned, its especially wrong in the absence of facts or evidence.

 

I'm willing to accept that I'm one of the triggered ones but there has been some "preening" going on here. Big time.

 

As far as I see it. (And read obee's post carefully)

 

Those accusing others of being sjws

 

Are the most whiny sjws I have seen in some time ; )

 

lol!!! the only rational people in the thread are the ones advocating we mind our own business and not run with the word of a self righteous clown and stay out of other peoples pockets.Pretty simple really. I dont care if anyone calls kuchar "cheap" but to suggest/state without a shred of evidence that he stiffed/scammed or wronged someone is a smear plain and simple. Ive had a bunch of fun in the thread because like with everything else in life theres alot of levity if you look hard enough for it

 

Wait....do you think we landed on the moon and the earth is round?

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I've been out of the loop on this thread for 36 hrs, but did anyone ever consider that maybe the caddy just carried the clubs and nothing else? If that's the case then $5k doesn't seem bad for a resort caddy. It's not like he had to do a fraction of the work a tour caddy does with travel and all the other usual logistics.

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Kuchar didn't find the caddy...course did. The course was likely involved in communicating to Kuchar what the cost for the caddy would be (little English for caddy) for the tournament (Let's assume $3,000). So, a fee of $3,000 and a tip of $2,000 is over a 65% tip!

  • This is not a normal Player/Caddy situation where it's part of the job to usually get a percentage of the winnings on top of the daily salary.
  • El Tucan did not likely do anything more than he would in his regular job.
  • Kuchar and El Tucan were not business partners in this venture.
  • El Tucan was a casual laborer arranged by the Golf Course.

When looked at under the normal Player/Caddy partnership, yah this looks bad. Kuchar could have gave more, but is it not similar to this?

 

I arrange to have an important business meeting at a high end steak house. I call the restaurant ahead of time and explain the situation. I would like a private room and best waiter you have so that everything can go well. Night goes great, I sign a business deal for over $1 million and I'm happy with the work the restaurant and waiter did. Bill came to $3,000. I leave a $5,000...that's over a 65% tip. But now my colleges look down on me because I didn't give the waiter/restaurant 10% of my $1 Million dollar deal? The waiter made the night go smooth, made the clients feel at ease and even told me to relax and take a breath at one point during my presentation. To some here, I know owe the waiter $100,000???

 

Same analogy fits for me playing in a big money game on the golf course while using a resort course caddy. Does he now get a percentage of my winnings?

Well said! A resort caddy does not equal a tour caddy. Unless the caddy played some role in the victory other than tending the clubs the fee described is decent. But don't let logic get in the way of internet social justice warriors whom use the credo, guilty unless we decide otherwise.

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Yes we all have it wrong...... The title of the thread should have been......

 

"Kuch is a great tipper - Gives Caddy a 66.7% Tip after winning @ Mayakoba"!!!!!!

 

I apologize for questioning Matt's largesse and will be shouting "******...... Oops meant Kuch" at the top of my lungs the next time I'm in the gallery watching him.

 

BTW wasn't hard to find Kuch's comments about the work El Tucan did....

 

https://www.golf.com...ddie-cashes-in/

 

https://www.thecaddi...r-ends-drought/

 

Best in this article they claim El Tucan will cash in approximately $2,000,000 ($104,000 US)...... So again a big difference between $3,000, $5,000 & $104,000.

 

And from another article....

 

The solution? Use a local guy. The tournament director hooked Kuch up with David Ortiz, aka “El Toucan,” a local caddy legend in Mexico. Kuch ended up winning by a stroke with El Toucan on the bag, and the rest is history.

El Toucan works at the Mayakoba Camaleon Golf Course as the Caddy Director, and has carried bags in this event before. Last year he carried for Alex Cejka, whom he guided to a top-10 finish. After the win, Kuch gave praise to El Toucan for helping him navigate the course, although the two didn’t talk much. Kuch claimed that help him clear his head, play more relaxed, and that Ortiz even brought him a little luck as his “lucky charm.”

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