Tour Titleist TSi 2 & TSi 3 driver and 3 woods - 2020 Safeway Open

[tetraulj]

2 hours ago, ksavy17 said:

Looks like Fitzpatrick has ditched the trusty 2017 M2 for the TSi3!!

I just saw this! It has to be good with so many free agents making  the switch. I talked with my pro and he was very impressed with the TSI3 driver. He said he picked up 15 yards vs his previous gamer when he was fit last week. He said his ball speed went up around 6 mph. Sadly I am not sure what he is playing right now for a good comparison. 

[canonlbp430]

Hearing very good things from a local pro here that was fit on Tuesday. He said he was about the same yardage as TS3 but that all of his mishits were going the same distance as his square strikes. Also confirmed that the sounds is muted and much better.

[mizunoMX25]

7 hours ago, golffeen007 said:

Nothing new with that analogy. These shafts are real deal , same shafts that can be purchased aftermarket. The days of paint scheming the “made for” bland material shafts are an afterthought for manufacturers. 

 

Have you not seen the SIM with the Ventus shafts? That seems exactly what happened in that case. It is textbook "made for" that is basically indistinguishable from the aftermarket except for a tiny "Velocore" marking on the top of the real deal. That being said Titleist have been offering real aftermarket shafts for a while, although I don't remember them offering one as new as the Tensei Raw is...

[golffeen007]

2 hours ago, mizunoMX25 said:

 

Have you not seen the SIM with the Ventus shafts? That seems exactly what happened in that case. It is textbook "made for" that is basically indistinguishable from the aftermarket except for a tiny "Velocore" marking on the top of the real deal. That being said Titleist have been offering real aftermarket shafts for a while, although I don't remember them offering one as new as the Tensei Raw is...

Yes , had one with black Velo 6x.

They weren't a "made for shaft" , it was a Ventus made by Fuji that just didnt have the Velocore Tech. 

Edited October 8, 2020 by golffeen007

[Stetson]

14 minutes ago, golffeen007 said:

Yes , had one with black Velo 6x. It wasn't a "made for shaft" , it was a Ventus made by Fuji that just didnt have the Velocore Tech. 

There are no Ventus Black’s that lack Velocore. Blue and Red May have no Velocore but Black always has it. 

[golffeen007]

6 minutes ago, Stetson said:

There are no Ventus Black’s that lack Velocore. Blue and Red May have no Velocore but Black always has it. 

Yes , that’s correct. 

[Stetson]

Current TMade Ventus is the only blatantly misleading shaft I know of in current lineups. 

[x100]

8 hours ago, stockmd16 said:

Was fit yesterday along with some titleist staff members for the TSi3. Play a 7-10 yard fade typically. compared to my current gamer of mavrik SZ (9 turned down to 8*), ball speeds differences were 181 (SZ) to 186 (TSi3). Spin 2300 (SZ) and TSi3. Dispersion much tighter on TSi3. Gained approx 4 yards. Swing speed differences were 4 in favor of TSi3 but was on trackman so radar may have skewed based how it reads the different heads. Sound is pure and sets up perfect if you like slightly open to neutral. Fairway metals couldn't beat out my TM Ti SIM 3wood but very similar. 

New balls have updated dimple pattern but could not tell much of a difference between this year's version based on 18 holes of play. Should be starting to be shipped in January.

Hybrids start with fitting in late Jan and release in early Feb

You increased your ball speed by 5mph, and only gained 4 yards?  That doesn’t seem very efficient. 

[btyh]

12 minutes ago, x100 said:

You increased your ball speed by 5mph, and only gained 4 yards?  That doesn’t seem very efficient. 

With ball speeds 180+ you're not going to get big gains, the biggest gains was the consistency on miss hits and tighter dispersion.

[x100]

26 minutes ago, btyh said:

With ball speeds 180+ you're not going to get big gains, the biggest gains was the consistency on miss hits and tighter dispersion.

The distance gain per ballspeed mph doesn’t change as you go higher. Each mph should be around 2 yards

[btyh]

2 minutes ago, x100 said:

The distance gain per ballspeed mph doesn’t change as you go higher. Each mph should be around 2 yards

True but there could be other factors causing the 4 yards gained with 5mph added ball speed 

[JoeJoeJoeUrBoat]

Anyone hear of Ventus being a stock offering for the TSi3? If it is, sign me up for a pre-order. 9 degree please and thank you. 

[Stetson]

Just now, JoeJoeJoeUrBoat said:

Anyone hear of Ventus being a stock offering for the TSi3? If it is, sign me up for a pre-order. 9 degree please and thank you. 

 

Not.  Happening.

[JoeJoeJoeUrBoat]

1 minute ago, Stetson said:

 

Not.  Happening.

You’re sure of this? 

[stockmd16]

12 hours ago, x100 said:

You increased your ball speed by 5mph, and only gained 4 yards?  That doesn’t seem very efficient. 

You would be correct in saying that 5mph doesn't equal 4 yards. But remember, I am comparing averages and not unicorn swings. I have plenty of unicorn ball flights with the mavrik SZ that launch at 14* and spin at 1900 but it is a pull or something that I cannot reproduce consistently with occasional fairway but also a spinny (3200) heel miss that is right and makes numbers pull back to avg 2300. This distorts the averages considerably with a small sample size of 20 swings per shaft(3 shafts-Tensei raw white TX, ventus black, GD IZ) plus current gamer setup of SZ with black ventus. 

[Stetson]

7 minutes ago, JoeJoeJoeUrBoat said:

You’re sure of this? 

 

Yes.  Depending on whom you order from anywhere from $225-$350 upgrade (Please don't pay $350, call someone else ha)

Edited October 9, 2020 by Stetson

[mizunoMX25]

2 hours ago, JoeJoeJoeUrBoat said:

You’re sure of this? 

Dead positive. They're the hottest shaft out right now. Except TM's "made for" version nobody is offering it without a major upcharge. And yes the Ventus Black has no made for from TM but you're not getting it stock either.

[Deuce78]

I feel bad for anyone thinking they are getting a $350 shaft in a stock offering driver.  They have to be making their products dirt cheap to pay all employees, costs, and over head to sell them at a profit to retailers, and pay investors of the corporation.  Then they are resold at retail for enough money for retailers to have enough profit to pay salaries, commissions, and their own overhead costs.  Those shafts in stock drivers are not what you get aftermarket period....

 

Is the sleeve the same in TSI?

[molecularman]

The TSi3 is such a fantastic looking driver.  Probably the best looking driver I have seen in years.   Can't wait for some reviews to start flowing out from folks here hitting it. 

[Brooks_Cupcake]

5 hours ago, Deuce78 said:

I feel bad for anyone thinking they are getting a $350 shaft in a stock offering driver.  They have to be making their products dirt cheap to pay all employees, costs, and over head to sell them at a profit to retailers, and pay investors of the corporation.  Then they are resold at retail for enough money for retailers to have enough profit to pay salaries, commissions, and their own overhead costs.  Those shafts in stock drivers are not what you get aftermarket period....

 

Is the sleeve the same in TSI?

Why would you feel bad?

 

Just compare buying the stock shafts retail from Will or JD, adding the grip and adapter, and you’ll see there’s a reason why the MSRP is the highest of any driver right now.

 

They’re the real shafts, just not the TX iterations which have a higher tolerance for build materials and production detail.

[Stetson]

17 minutes ago, therealjonzone said:

Why would you feel bad?

 

Just compare buying the stock shafts retail from Will or JD, adding the grip and adapter, and you’ll see there’s a reason why the MSRP is the highest of any driver right now.

 

They’re the real shafts, just not the TX iterations which have a higher tolerance for build materials and production detail.

I believe he wa srederring to the poster that asked if Ventus Black was stock. When I indicated it was not stock that same posted asked “are you sure”. So he was simply stating the Ventus Black is not stock. 
 

 

[HackinNut]

I don't get fit for this until November.  I just hope the Rep at least lets me try out other shafts than just what is offered stock.  The last two iterations that I was fit for, not one time was I offered anything else other than stock.  I always feel like the Rep's are always pushing the stock shafts when I think it would be the other way around.  

[Lemonde]

The 60x ventus black is a beast. It won’t go left and it’s feel isn’t wonderful.  It feels like an aldila Proto or the Phenom nl tx, both of which I gamed.

 

 I am looking for holy grail of some feel and anti left. Still haven’t found it after 20+ years of searching and probably never will. Maybe the original rip alpha red eyes was close. So I’ll give the new rip x a shot.  

 

I have owned many tx’s in my time, commonality is that anything tx in a mid or higher launch shaft is reduced to low launch with the tx label. The tx is legit, torque is reduced by at least a half degree by better materials but turns the original spirit of the shaft into a low launch monster. All you have to look is at the Maltby bend profiles. Tx = anti hook and low launch.  The difference between a tensei pro blue x vs tx is night and day.  
 

 

 
 

 

[youngunz5840]

Just placed an order with DD. Ordered with tensei raw white 60x but will probably put my tour ad xc in it. Hopefully since I’m ordering now I’ll get lucky and get it before the release date. 

[Valtiel]

On 10/9/2020 at 2:57 PM, therealjonzone said:

Why would you feel bad?

 

Just compare buying the stock shafts retail from Will or JD, adding the grip and adapter, and you’ll see there’s a reason why the MSRP is the highest of any driver right now.

 

They’re the real shafts, just not the TX iterations which have a higher tolerance for build materials and production detail.

Generally speaking, so far the "TX" label with Aldila, Mitsubishi, and True Temper denotes what is basically a different shaft, not just tolerance and detail. The attempt to legitimize the OEM shafts as "real" by selling them aftermarket is just that, a marketing attempt. The quality of OEM shafts has arguably increased over the last decade for sure, but we are still seeing the same or similar differences now between the TX and non-TX shafts with those companies that we used to see between the "OEM" and "Real Deal" aftermarket shafts. HZRDUS Green TX, Aldila Rogue White TX, Tensei AV Raw TX....all completely different shafts from a design, profile, material, and construction standpoint (I can support this claim with profile data if interested). 

It's a bean counting move, plain and simple. An entire shaft line that utilizes the same premium construction from X-flex all the way down to Regular/Senior is ultimately inefficient from a money making standpoint. Most people that want/need a premium product are going to be in at least a stiff flex, and i'd imagine a majority of the slower swinging golfing public aren't so interested in spending $350+ on a shaft. So we are now seeing a move towards a sort of bifurcation within shaft lines with the premium product only being the stiffest flex in most cases. 

[Lemonde]

5 minutes ago, Valtiel said:

Generally speaking, so far the "TX" label with Aldila, Mitsubishi, and True Temper denotes what is basically a different shaft, not just tolerance and detail. The attempt to legitimize the OEM shafts as "real" by selling them aftermarket is just that, a marketing attempt. The quality of OEM shafts has arguably increased over the last decade for sure, but we are still seeing the same or similar differences now between the TX and non-TX shafts with those companies that we used to see between the "OEM" and "Real Deal" aftermarket shafts. HZRDUS Green TX, Aldila Rogue White TX, Tensei AV Raw TX....all completely different shafts from a design, profile, material, and construction standpoint (I can support this claim with profile data if interested). 

It's a bean counting move, plain and simple. An entire shaft line that utilizes the same premium construction from X-flex all the way down to Regular/Senior is ultimately inefficient from a money making standpoint. Most people that want/need a premium product are going to be in at least a stiff flex, and i'd imagine a majority of the slower swinging golfing public aren't so interested in spending $350+ on a shaft. So we are now seeing a move towards a sort of bifurcation within shaft lines with the premium product only being the stiffest flex in most cases. 

+1 

 

Would love to try the rogue white tx.  Arguably the black ventus x should be a “tx”

 

 

 

[Valtiel]

9 minutes ago, Lemonde said:

+1 

 

Would love to try the rogue white tx.  Arguably the black ventus x should be a “tx”

 

 

 

The Rogue White TX is strange to me because it seems to be the same profile as the Rogue Silver, just a tiny bit stiffer and with a tiny bit higher balance point. 

As far as Fujikura is concerned, they seem to only use "TX" as a designation for something that is tour only/tour issued, usually at a heavier than retail weight e.g. Atmos Black 9TX. So in terms of that and what Fujikura have said in the past, TX for them is not a design or material difference, just a weight/availability one. 

Graphite Design however uses it in the only way that actually makes sense; simply a flex above "X". 

Edited October 11, 2020 by Valtiel

[golffeen007]

23 minutes ago, youngunz5840 said:

Just placed an order with DD. Ordered with tensei raw white 60x but will probably put my tour ad xc in it. Hopefully since I’m ordering now I’ll get lucky and get it before the release date. 

DD is taking preorders now? 

[Brooks_Cupcake]

16 minutes ago, Valtiel said:

Generally speaking, so far the "TX" label with Aldila, Mitsubishi, and True Temper denotes what is basically a different shaft, not just tolerance and detail. The attempt to legitimize the OEM shafts as "real" by selling them aftermarket is just that, a marketing attempt. The quality of OEM shafts has arguably increased over the last decade for sure, but we are still seeing the same or similar differences now between the TX and non-TX shafts with those companies that we used to see between the "OEM" and "Real Deal" aftermarket shafts. HZRDUS Green TX, Aldila Rogue White TX, Tensei AV Raw TX....all completely different shafts from a design, profile, material, and construction standpoint (I can support this claim with profile data if interested). 

It's a bean counting move, plain and simple. An entire shaft line that utilizes the same premium construction from X-flex all the way down to Regular/Senior is ultimately inefficient from a money making standpoint. Most people that want/need a premium product are going to be in at least a stiff flex, and i'd imagine a majority of the slower swinging golfing public aren't so interested in spending $350+ on a shaft. So we are now seeing a move towards a sort of bifurcation within shaft lines with the premium product only being the stiffest flex in most cases. 

please provide any information on the difference. Including details on if any are more linear feeling vs mid soft or load/unload.

[OcRockRoller]

On 9/7/2020 at 10:09 PM, rollingrock said:

 I call them like I see them!  I thought I could always count on Titleist to deliver classy looks, but I guess those days are over. 

It's all class at address on the TSi3 imo. I dont understand why the way the sole and face looks bothers people. The alignment aid on drivers becomes background music for me so no issue there. This thing performs, thats evident with how many staffers switched the week of a major and now a hand full of free agents have made the switch. A bunch of people on here that have had the opportunity to hit have all talked about gains. Seems like it would be vanity and stubbornness would be the only reason to bash it, could that be the case?