What is up with Rory McIlroy?

[Chopper Dave]

On 5/11/2023 at 1:15 AM, HomaComa said:

Bring back Fat Rory!

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[HomaComa]

3 hours ago, Chopper Dave said:

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[ALIF]

5 hours ago, Chopper Dave said:

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Dude looks like one of the hobbits in lord of the rings no doubt!

[PedronNiall]

On 5/10/2023 at 12:50 PM, Righty to Lefty said:

You didn't even quote the source but I'm sure it is from someone with skin in the game that sells wedges I'd be willing to bet. I also never claimed that Vokey said anything...I posted a video of how to properly used the bounce one a wedge.  What you aren't realizing is that sweeping the ball off the turf is not the correct way to play a partial wedge shot, the golfers should be engaging the turf behind the behind the ball activating the bounce and allowing the club to skid along the ground keeping the leading edge above the ground level which keeps it from digging so on a a properly played wedge shot there is no reason to try and pick the ball off the turf. Also as the leading edge rises off the ground the strike is moved to the lower part of the club face which will actually raise the spin on the shot.  You should not be taking a divot on partial wedge shots, you should be bruising the turf. 

If the bounce on your wedge is lower than your angle of attack then you are playing with fire because you will introduce the leading edge to the turf which is never good on any partial wedge shot.  There is no situation where 6 degrees of bounce has an advantage over a higher bounce option.  I will lay my wedges uncomfortably wide open on the tightest turf and hit pop the ball straight up in the air even because all that is required to get the leading edge of the ball below the equator of the ball prior to impact and keep the club moving through impact and the shot can be pulled off.  If you would like me to make a video using a wedge with more than 30 degrees of bounce off of tight turf I'd be more than willing to do that as it is better to have bounce available and not need it, than to need it and not have it on the course. 

I told you where the quote was from: the Titleist Vokey page. You posted a video from Vokey himself, so it seemed a fitting place to pull something mainstream from explaining exactly when a low bounce wedge is useful. That sits entirely contrary to your questioning of there ever being a time where high bounce isn't the end all, be all of wedge options. 

 

So again, to my question that I posed to you: is Bob Vokey wrong? Are Titleist and the Vokey line that his namesake is on just rubbish peddled by snake oil sales people, or are there situations in which different sole grinds and non high bounce wedges are the more optimal choice? 

 

Nowhere in your wall of text did you address my question that I posed in response to your claim that the various bounces offered now are just a bunch of malarkey.

[PlusGolferUk]

23 hours ago, jimecherry said:

i think this is what you meant to say ;}

Well when the open is on look at all the witb. We will see then won’t we.

[PlusGolferUk]

16 hours ago, PedronNiall said:

I told you where the quote was from: the Titleist Vokey page. You posted a video from Vokey himself, so it seemed a fitting place to pull something mainstream from explaining exactly when a low bounce wedge is useful. That sits entirely contrary to your questioning of there ever being a time where high bounce isn't the end all, be all of wedge options. 

 

So again, to my question that I posed to you: is Bob Vokey wrong? Are Titleist and the Vokey line that his namesake is on just rubbish peddled by snake oil sales people, or are there situations in which different sole grinds and non high bounce wedges are the more optimal choice? 

 

Nowhere in your wall of text did you address my question that I posed in response to your claim that the various bounces offered now are just a bunch of malarkey.

Hahah I wouldn’t worry about it that guy is clueless pal

[aenemated]

23 hours ago, Chopper Dave said:

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[Valtiel]

On 5/11/2023 at 8:35 AM, cardia10 said:

It is quite simple, he hasn't won a major in 10 years and he is too concerned about the guys playing 54 holes while he has only been playing 36 holes. All the talent in the world but the mental capacity of an amoeba lately. 100% mental.

Eh, speaking to his mental state is always a crap shoot, I doubt he is thinking about anything LIV related when he's practicing or out on the course. He's not shaking his fists at the sky and yelling "NORMAN!" everytime he misses a putt. 

His mechanics and his putting tell the whole story, we don't need to speculate about his head, although it does sometimes get in the way with some well documented course management blunders. He has super fast hips, he gets the club flatter and under plane, and he relies on fast rotation and more hands then some to square the club. As pretty as his swing is, it has some baked in drawbacks.

[Zitlow]

Time for Rory to get some therapy from the Doctor Lady in Tin Cup. He should bring his caddie, I hear she gives discounts to couples. 

 

[Righty to Lefty]

On 5/12/2023 at 1:54 AM, PedronNiall said:

I told you where the quote was from: the Titleist Vokey page. You posted a video from Vokey himself, so it seemed a fitting place to pull something mainstream from explaining exactly when a low bounce wedge is useful. That sits entirely contrary to your questioning of there ever being a time where high bounce isn't the end all, be all of wedge options. 

 

So again, to my question that I posed to you: is Bob Vokey wrong? Are Titleist and the Vokey line that his namesake is on just rubbish peddled by snake oil sales people, or are there situations in which different sole grinds and non high bounce wedges are the more optimal choice? 

 

Nowhere in your wall of text did you address my question that I posed in response to your claim that the various bounces offered now are just a bunch of malarkey.

The fact is that most don't even understand the proper use of bounce in the first place and that the bounce angle is measured with the hosel of the wedge in a 90 degree vertical position and that most believe that partial wedge shots are supposed be struck ball first when that is not the proper technique, and I was using the Vokey video to show the proper technique of how to use the club on a partial wedge shot.  That being said, if most don't even know the proper use of the wedge in the first place then how in the world are different bounce configurations of a benefit in the first place?  The fact is, they are not, because if you strike ball first the bounce wouldn't contact the ground until after the ball had already exited the club face so it wouldn't even be necessary in the first place.  Bounce / sole configuration is an insurance policy on irons, hybrids, and woods where you are supposed to strike ball then turf,  but it is supposed to be used on wedges because you are supposed to engage the turf prior to striking the ball on partial wedge shots.   It then becomes pretty damn easy to market to millions of amateur golfers that they need 2 or 3 sets of wedges every year because they have no clue what they need, and don't even know how to use them. Just like every year we run out and buy new clubs thinking that the tech has advanced so much in just the past year when we all know it hasn't.  So yes, the marketing is mostly hype as if you truly understand bounce then you would simply get as much as you can and then manipulate the amount that you use on a given shot depending on how much you open the face and the thought that differing course conditions can't easily be navigated with a high bounce wedge is incorrect, and I even demonstrated that on video, mostly because I was having the same questions about trying to understand bounce. A low bounce wedge is useless in wet conditions but a high bounce wedge is not rendered useless on firm turf as the club doesn't actually "bounce" into the ball unless your low point is behind the ball. Higher bounce wedges encourage strike lower on the face, thus creating higher spin with a lower launch, while low bounce wedges encourage strike higher on the face with less spin and that is the fact of the matter.  Rory needs more bounce, but to each his / her own as he is free to play what he wants.  

 

On 5/12/2023 at 6:13 PM, PlusGolferUk said:

Hahah I wouldn’t worry about it that guy is clueless pal

Once again, the shorter the response, the less knowledge on the subject I am convinced you have.    

 

But don't take my word for it: 

 

 

[PedronNiall]

16 hours ago, Righty to Lefty said:

The fact is that most don't even understand the proper use of bounce in the first place and that the bounce angle is measured with the hosel of the wedge in a 90 degree vertical position and that most believe that partial wedge shots are supposed be struck ball first when that is not the proper technique, and I was using the Vokey video to show the proper technique of how to use the club on a partial wedge shot.  That being said, if most don't even know the proper use of the wedge in the first place then how in the world are different bounce configurations of a benefit in the first place?  The fact is, they are not, because if you strike ball first the bounce wouldn't contact the ground until after the ball had already exited the club face so it wouldn't even be necessary in the first place.  Bounce / sole configuration is an insurance policy on irons, hybrids, and woods where you are supposed to strike ball then turf,  but it is supposed to be used on wedges because you are supposed to engage the turf prior to striking the ball on partial wedge shots.   It then becomes pretty damn easy to market to millions of amateur golfers that they need 2 or 3 sets of wedges every year because they have no clue what they need, and don't even know how to use them. Just like every year we run out and buy new clubs thinking that the tech has advanced so much in just the past year when we all know it hasn't.  So yes, the marketing is mostly hype as if you truly understand bounce then you would simply get as much as you can and then manipulate the amount that you use on a given shot depending on how much you open the face and the thought that differing course conditions can't easily be navigated with a high bounce wedge is incorrect, and I even demonstrated that on video, mostly because I was having the same questions about trying to understand bounce. A low bounce wedge is useless in wet conditions but a high bounce wedge is not rendered useless on firm turf as the club doesn't actually "bounce" into the ball unless your low point is behind the ball. Higher bounce wedges encourage strike lower on the face, thus creating higher spin with a lower launch, while low bounce wedges encourage strike higher on the face with less spin and that is the fact of the matter.  Rory needs more bounce, but to each his / her own as he is free to play what he wants.  

 

Once again, the shorter the response, the less knowledge on the subject I am convinced you have.    

 

But don't take my word for it: 

 

 

So is this your long-winded way of saying that Bob Vokey, Titleist, Taylormade, Cleveland, Callaway, Mizuno, other brands, club fitters in general, TXG, professional golfers, top amateurs, and the club techs here on the forum know less than you and are misleading people when they recommend different bounces & grinds for different players, course conditions, and shot types? You seem to have trouble answering directly. 

[PlusGolferUk]

On 5/15/2023 at 1:05 PM, Righty to Lefty said:

The fact is that most don't even understand the proper use of bounce in the first place and that the bounce angle is measured with the hosel of the wedge in a 90 degree vertical position and that most believe that partial wedge shots are supposed be struck ball first when that is not the proper technique, and I was using the Vokey video to show the proper technique of how to use the club on a partial wedge shot.  That being said, if most don't even know the proper use of the wedge in the first place then how in the world are different bounce configurations of a benefit in the first place?  The fact is, they are not, because if you strike ball first the bounce wouldn't contact the ground until after the ball had already exited the club face so it wouldn't even be necessary in the first place.  Bounce / sole configuration is an insurance policy on irons, hybrids, and woods where you are supposed to strike ball then turf,  but it is supposed to be used on wedges because you are supposed to engage the turf prior to striking the ball on partial wedge shots.   It then becomes pretty damn easy to market to millions of amateur golfers that they need 2 or 3 sets of wedges every year because they have no clue what they need, and don't even know how to use them. Just like every year we run out and buy new clubs thinking that the tech has advanced so much in just the past year when we all know it hasn't.  So yes, the marketing is mostly hype as if you truly understand bounce then you would simply get as much as you can and then manipulate the amount that you use on a given shot depending on how much you open the face and the thought that differing course conditions can't easily be navigated with a high bounce wedge is incorrect, and I even demonstrated that on video, mostly because I was having the same questions about trying to understand bounce. A low bounce wedge is useless in wet conditions but a high bounce wedge is not rendered useless on firm turf as the club doesn't actually "bounce" into the ball unless your low point is behind the ball. Higher bounce wedges encourage strike lower on the face, thus creating higher spin with a lower launch, while low bounce wedges encourage strike higher on the face with less spin and that is the fact of the matter.  Rory needs more bounce, but to each his / her own as he is free to play what he wants.  

 

Once again, the shorter the response, the less knowledge on the subject I am convinced you have.    

 

But don't take my word for it: 

 

 

Edited May 16, 2023 by PlusGolferUk

[PlusGolferUk]

20 hours ago, Righty to Lefty said:

The fact is that most don't even understand the proper use of bounce in the first place and that the bounce angle is measured with the hosel of the wedge in a 90 degree vertical position and that most believe that partial wedge shots are supposed be struck ball first when that is not the proper technique, and I was using the Vokey video to show the proper technique of how to use the club on a partial wedge shot.  That being said, if most don't even know the proper use of the wedge in the first place then how in the world are different bounce configurations of a benefit in the first place?  The fact is, they are not, because if you strike ball first the bounce wouldn't contact the ground until after the ball had already exited the club face so it wouldn't even be necessary in the first place.  Bounce / sole configuration is an insurance policy on irons, hybrids, and woods where you are supposed to strike ball then turf,  but it is supposed to be used on wedges because you are supposed to engage the turf prior to striking the ball on partial wedge shots.   It then becomes pretty damn easy to market to millions of amateur golfers that they need 2 or 3 sets of wedges every year because they have no clue what they need, and don't even know how to use them. Just like every year we run out and buy new clubs thinking that the tech has advanced so much in just the past year when we all know it hasn't.  So yes, the marketing is mostly hype as if you truly understand bounce then you would simply get as much as you can and then manipulate the amount that you use on a given shot depending on how much you open the face and the thought that differing course conditions can't easily be navigated with a high bounce wedge is incorrect, and I even demonstrated that on video, mostly because I was having the same questions about trying to understand bounce. A low bounce wedge is useless in wet conditions but a high bounce wedge is not rendered useless on firm turf as the club doesn't actually "bounce" into the ball unless your low point is behind the ball. Higher bounce wedges encourage strike lower on the face, thus creating higher spin with a lower launch, while low bounce wedges encourage strike higher on the face with less spin and that is the fact of the matter.  Rory needs more bounce, but to each his / her own as he is free to play what he wants.  

 

Once again, the shorter the response, the less knowledge on the subject I am convinced you have.    

 

But don't take my word for it: 

 

 

Why you sending me two choppers on a parkland course who advertise brands?

[iBanesto]

This explains a bit...

 

[capking]

Good to know all Rory has to do to fix his wedges is read the last 2 pages of this thread.

Someone please let him know,

Thanks.

[oughtaquit]

In semi-seriousness, I wonder if getting too chummy with Tiger Woods is wise for anyone.  Not questioning TW’s golf prowess, but otherwise, he consistently demonstrates that he’s an emotionally messed-up immature man-child. Rich and popular and good at sports, sure, but not the kind of guy your parents or wife would want you hanging around with. 

[Righty to Lefty]

8 hours ago, PlusGolferUk said:

Why you sending me two choppers on a parkland course who advertise brands?

They are mentioning a technique and this is what I'm talking about that most don't even know who to use their wedges properly in the first place as these are instructors basically admitting that they had it wrong all these years. You are doing exactly what people who just want to be right at all costs do instead of taking in the content and rethinking your stance on the issue.  If you think that partial wedge shots should be struck ball first, then you aren't using your wedge most efficiently...period and it isn't even up for debate.  If Rory putted with the toe of his putter and I mentioned that it was not the most effective way to use the putter you would be on here talkin bout how Rory is correct since he is a pro and won golf tournaments using the toe of his putter instead of saying that he can putt however he wants, but that there is a more efficient way.  

 

5 hours ago, capking said:

Good to know all Rory has to do to fix his wedges is read the last 2 pages of this thread.

Someone please let him know,

Thanks.

Well it is either his equipment, his technique, or a combination of both.  Bottom line is he shouldn't be ripping up a foot long divot on a partial wedge. 

 

Hmm...so he found improvement out of increasing the bounce so why not keeping increasing it until you breach your limit then back off.  He has also never tried a high bounce wedge before...a guy that has access to literally everything had never even tried a high bounce wedge before. So why not try it out on tight turf because you shouldn't be taking a divot on any partial wedge shot and he was ripping up beaver pelts off of tight turf from 60 yards.  DJ needs more bounce also while we're at it!! 

Edited May 16, 2023 by Righty to Lefty

[Ferguson]

Guys,

 

It's time.  He needs professional assistance. That marriage must be in trouble.  I was late with Fleetwood and Spieth, dammit, I am not going to let another one slip away. I posted Liz's contact information on Rory's website. 

 

 

[Righty to Lefty]

10 hours ago, PedronNiall said:

So is this your long-winded way of saying that Bob Vokey, Titleist, Taylormade, Cleveland, Callaway, Mizuno, other brands, club fitters in general, TXG, professional golfers, top amateurs, and the club techs here on the forum know less than you and are misleading people when they recommend different bounces & grinds for different players, course conditions, and shot types? You seem to have trouble answering directly. 

What are you talking about "having trouble answering directly?  I posted a video of ME hitting a C3i wedge off of firm links turf with the face wide open proving that if you understand the technique then you can manipulate a high bounce wedge just fine, but sure, anyone suggesting different bounce, grinds and such, when most don't even know how to even use it properly are simply selling clubs and dreams. But if you weren't paying attention then here you go:

 

 

Or what about my Son learning how to use the bounce within 7 hours of focused work as a rank beginner 2 weeks in to playing golf: 

 

Any other questions? Most don't even fit wedges outside on turf unless you pay for that service, and anyone saying that a wedge can be fit off a mat are flat out misleading people.  I'm posting in a public forum and invite anyone to post their findings so that we can piece it together and figure out the truth and if I'm incorrect I will gladly admit it and adopt the newer, more accurate information but if you come on here and put up a reply that is only a couple sentences then you most likely don't know what they are talking about. Did you even go and test what I am talkin about and come back with your findings or ask further questions for me to explain that will prove I do or don't know what I'm talkin about, as that also shows your level of comprehension? Nah, you took the lazy route of spouting off an insult and believing it proves your point because someone else who doesn't know liked it.   Unlike all those companies and people you mentioned, I'm not selling anything, so what would be my benefit to come on here and put out bad information?  

Edited May 16, 2023 by Righty to Lefty

[PedronNiall]

Ah, another wall of text from the one man in the world who has it all figured out. Regarding your word salad: 

[PlusGolferUk]

6 hours ago, Righty to Lefty said:

What are you talking about "having trouble answering directly?  I posted a video of ME hitting a C3i wedge off of firm links turf with the face wide open proving that if you understand the technique then you can manipulate a high bounce wedge just fine, but sure, anyone suggesting different bounce, grinds and such, when most don't even know how to even use it properly are simply selling clubs and dreams. But if you weren't paying attention then here you go:

 

 

Or what about my Son learning how to use the bounce within 7 hours of focused work as a rank beginner 2 weeks in to playing golf: 

 

Any other questions? Most don't even fit wedges outside on turf unless you pay for that service, and anyone saying that a wedge can be fit off a mat are flat out misleading people.  I'm posting in a public forum and invite anyone to post their findings so that we can piece it together and figure out the truth and if I'm incorrect I will gladly admit it and adopt the newer, more accurate information but if you come on here and put up a reply that is only a couple sentences then you most likely don't know what they are talking about. Did you even go and test what I am talkin about and come back with your findings or ask further questions for me to explain that will prove I do or don't know what I'm talkin about, as that also shows your level of comprehension? Nah, you took the lazy route of spouting off an insult and believing it proves your point because someone else who doesn't know liked it.   Unlike all those companies and people you mentioned, I'm not selling anything, so what would be my benefit to come on here and put out bad information?  

This explains everything. A ten handicapper on links turf 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂. If you think that’s links turf then no wonder. 

[PlusGolferUk]

6 hours ago, Righty to Lefty said:

What are you talking about "having trouble answering directly?  I posted a video of ME hitting a C3i wedge off of firm links turf with the face wide open proving that if you understand the technique then you can manipulate a high bounce wedge just fine, but sure, anyone suggesting different bounce, grinds and such, when most don't even know how to even use it properly are simply selling clubs and dreams. But if you weren't paying attention then here you go:

 

 

Or what about my Son learning how to use the bounce within 7 hours of focused work as a rank beginner 2 weeks in to playing golf: 

 

Any other questions? Most don't even fit wedges outside on turf unless you pay for that service, and anyone saying that a wedge can be fit off a mat are flat out misleading people.  I'm posting in a public forum and invite anyone to post their findings so that we can piece it together and figure out the truth and if I'm incorrect I will gladly admit it and adopt the newer, more accurate information but if you come on here and put up a reply that is only a couple sentences then you most likely don't know what they are talking about. Did you even go and test what I am talkin about and come back with your findings or ask further questions for me to explain that will prove I do or don't know what I'm talkin about, as that also shows your level of comprehension? Nah, you took the lazy route of spouting off an insult and believing it proves your point because someone else who doesn't know liked it.   Unlike all those companies and people you mentioned, I'm not selling anything, so what would be my benefit to come on here and put out bad information?  

And your son scooping it out a perfect lie in semi rough. I could play that shot with a 3 wood

[jimecherry]

6 minutes ago, PlusGolferUk said:

And your son scooping it out a perfect lie in semi rough. I could play that shot with a 3 wood

could you guys take this conversation to the academy section i'm here to sh** on rory not talk about links courses and sand wedges.

[PlusGolferUk]

Just now, jimecherry said:

could you guys take this conversation to the academy section i'm here to sh** on rory not talk about links courses and sand wedges.

Poor Rory. I’m not replying to that guy any more. He wears two gloves, posts offensive golf swings and tees his ball up on fairways. 
Rory wins this week.

[Jim53]

1 hour ago, jimecherry said:

could you guys take this conversation to the academy section i'm here to sh** on rory not talk about links courses and sand wedges.

Post of the week

[JungleJimbo]

 

https://www.golfdigest.com/story/rory-mcilroy-tiger-woods-golf-swing-2023-pga-championship

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited May 17, 2023 by JungleJimbo

[Pastit]

On 5/13/2023 at 10:16 AM, Valtiel said:

Eh, speaking to his mental state is always a crap shoot, I doubt he is thinking about anything LIV related when he's practicing or out on the course. He's not shaking his fists at the sky and yelling "NORMAN!" everytime he misses a putt. 

His mechanics and his putting tell the whole story, we don't need to speculate about his head, although it does sometimes get in the way with some well documented course management blunders. He has super fast hips, he gets the club flatter and under plane, and he relies on fast rotation and more hands then some to square the club. As pretty as his swing is, it has some baked in drawbacks.

 

Certainly, about £100m worth. 

[MUNIGRIT]

Is it possible that being Batman for the PGA Tour was too much and he is more of a Robin? He went from saying FU Phil to I need to step down for mental reasons. He did come accross a bit contrived in Full Swing IMO.

[GGTTH]

He really needs to ditch all brand deals - clubs and clothing and just do his own thing.

He also needs a better caddie who will help him mentally on the course.

He needs to step away from the media and keep his mouth shut and just play golf, if that means stepping away from the PGA board or whatever then fine.

 

 

[Mp14forlife]

Rory is setting up more and more open and that left shoulder appears more and more laid off and looks like it's getting stuck.