41 degree pitching wedge.. "Longest irons ever". Grandma just smoked a 9 iron 200 yards. (***MERGED***)

[Red4282]

16 minutes ago, Feelingofgreatness said:

I see nobody that switched to game improvement or super gi irons going back to forged blades. 

 

I do see people switch to high moi mallet putters and go back to blade putters. 

I see people going back and forth between everything….

[Jim53]

9 hours ago, Red4282 said:

Not quite lol

Sorry, old and some what blind not to mention deaf. 

+.4 you still don't count ha ha you play a game of which I am not familiar.

 

I have my eye on the new Miura 502's they look perfect, but the reality is with my speed it is throwing money at the wall. Sure I can play them and might play them fairly well but I would need 3-pw to cover from 100-180 yds and frankly I doubt I can get a pretty tiny 3 iron off the ground.

[Red4282]

4 minutes ago, Jim53 said:

Sorry, old and some what blind not to mention deaf. 

+.4 you still don't count ha ha you play a game of which I am not familiar.

 

I have my eye on the new Miura 502's they look perfect, but the reality is with my speed it is throwing money at the wall. Sure I can play them and might play them fairly well but I would need 3-pw to cover from 100-180 yds and frankly I doubt I can get a pretty tiny 3 iron off the ground.

Would it help if we scratch out the 7 and etch in “9”? Because nothing is changing except what you call it…

Edited January 18, 2023 by Red4282

[Jim53]

I tend to slightly disagree, without the added weight low and back and the face tech of the new GI / SGI clubs it would not be the same loft for loft. A 25 degree blade is not going to work the same as a 25* hollow head no matter the number on the bottom for average golfers.

 

At your cap / skill level you can hit any club and adapt to it, the target group for these irons just cannot do that and the extra help is appreciated. You don't say your age and it only matters in the context of speed, I often golf with a 72 year old scratch player and he uses old wilson blades and club for club flys it by me. Just better contact and gets all he can out of his swing.

 

Well I am going to play this morning with my EPON's which while not really jacked have so much weight low and back even I can hit a 42* 9 iron 140 yds flushed..  

 

[nbar]

22 hours ago, dekez said:

For sure.  I'm curious though, does a slower swing have enough speed to hit the lower numbered irons?  With enough gaps between clubs?

A 5 iron is my lowest number iron. Next club is a 4 hybrid. My 5 if hit well carries about 150 plus roll out which gives me 160 range.

[dekez]

1 hour ago, nbar said:

A 5 iron is my lowest number iron. Next club is a 4 hybrid. My 5 if hit well carries about 150 plus roll out which gives me 160 range.

Do you get about 170 with the 4 hybrid (and 150 with the 6 iron)?

[Jim53]

8 hours ago, Red4282 said:

Would it help if we scratch out the 7 and etch in “9”? Because nothing is changing except what you call it…

Ha ha, well we are talking in circles and that is fine. You seem to want to discount the design of the clubs and that was my original point. You can put any number you like on the club it still has to perform as designed. 

 

I wish you well and many low rounds in the future

[Red4282]

8 hours ago, Jim53 said:

I tend to slightly disagree, without the added weight low and back and the face tech of the new GI / SGI clubs it would not be the same loft for loft. A 25 degree blade is not going to work the same as a 25* hollow head no matter the number on the bottom for average golfers.

 

At your cap / skill level you can hit any club and adapt to it, the target group for these irons just cannot do that and the extra help is appreciated. You don't say your age and it only matters in the context of speed, I often golf with a 72 year old scratch player and he uses old wilson blades and club for club flys it by me. Just better contact and gets all he can out of his swing.

 

Well I am going to play this morning with my EPON's which while not really jacked have so much weight low and back even I can hit a 42* 9 iron 140 yds flushed..  

 

This somehow turned into a blade vs gi argument and it shouldnt be. This is strickly about lofts and how you label your clubs. 25 years ago gi clubs had traditonal lofts.

Edited January 18, 2023 by Red4282

[Bubbtubbs]

On 1/11/2023 at 8:28 AM, 596 said:

Actually "loft" has never actually changed.   Lofts have always been from an ie. 9* driver to a 60* lob wedge.  The only thing that changes is the label on the club head.   

 

Makes no difference if your set is 4 (22*) to SW (56*) or 6(22*) to SW (56*) you'll still have exactly the same number of clubs in your bag.  Still have basically the same loft gaps (4*).  Unless of course you get into the new 6* gaps like some have.  To those that complain about having to add 2 wedges, it's still the same number of clubs from 22* to 56*.  Matters not whether you add 2 wedges or 2 long irons, still the same number of sticks in the bag covering 22* to 56*.   If your 4 iron is 28* , now you have to add the 2 longer irons to cover 22* and 25*.  

 

So who really cares?  Any intelligent human knows that a 25* 5 iron will go further than a 31* 5 iron.  And it makes zero difference in the game of golf. 

Depending on what you're buying, individual wedges might be substantially more expensive than just having more numbered irons with reasonable lofts.

[subrew]

TXG just did a quick intro video, hitting the Ping G430 7-iron.  The Ping guy talked about a random test they did of the G425 that was missing its fairly stiff backing badge/plate that was primarily used for acoustics.  With the badge off, they saw higher balls speeds.  Then he described how the club is designed to "hinge" at it's cut line to produce higher loft/launch.  And they designed the back badge on the G430 to be flexible, having learned from their test.

 

End result was a stronger lofted 7-iron that was still launching high, mid to high 6,000rpm spin, seeing 112ft peak height, and 48-50* land angle.  

[Red4282]

2 hours ago, subrew said:

TXG just did a quick intro video, hitting the Ping G430 7-iron.  The Ping guy talked about a random test they did of the G425 that was missing its fairly stiff backing badge/plate that was primarily used for acoustics.  With the badge off, they saw higher balls speeds.  Then he described how the club is designed to "hinge" at it's cut line to produce higher loft/launch.  And they designed the back badge on the G430 to be flexible, having learned from their test.

 

End result was a stronger lofted 7-iron that was still launching high, mid to high 6,000rpm spin, seeing 112ft peak height, and 48-50* land angle.  

Translation, end result was a slightly higher launching 6 iron with a 7 stamped on it

[Liveonce]

Never understood the obsession with the numbers on the club by folks. Only numbers that matter are the ones on the scorecard. You don’t have to label which clubs you used to achieve the score 

[Red4282]

9 minutes ago, Liveonce said:

Never understood the obsession with the numbers on the club by folks. Only numbers that matter are the ones on the scorecard. You don’t have to label which clubs you used to achieve the score 

Nobody is obsessed with it, its just a discussion

[klebs01]

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1 hour ago, Liveonce said:

Never understood the obsession with the numbers on the club by folks. Only numbers that matter are the ones on the scorecard. You don’t have to label which clubs you used to achieve the score 

 

i would be fine if it was just a number change, the theme also made the clubs longer and changed the lie angles. 
 

I buy new irons for fresh grooves and to replace damaged clubs (usually stones), it would be much easier if the specs stayed the same. Each set I buy has to have more custom adjustments to get back to stock specs from 20 years ago. 

[MrCook]

16 hours ago, klebs01 said:

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i would be fine if it was just a number change, the theme also made the clubs longer and changed the lie angles. 
 

I buy new irons for fresh grooves and to replace damaged clubs (usually stones), it would be much easier if the specs stayed the same. Each set I buy has to have more custom adjustments to get back to stock specs from 20 years ago. 

 

What does lie angle have to do with this? My GI 7 iron is 62,5° Stock at 37" length. Pretty standard if you ask me, right around where a lot of players type irons sit.

 

Just took a look at the i430 irons, since they're what this thread is about. 7i is 37" and 62° lie, which I would say is even on the flatter side.

Edited January 19, 2023 by MrCook

[jorellanes]

19 hours ago, klebs01 said:

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i would be fine if it was just a number change, the theme also made the clubs longer and changed the lie angles. 
 

I buy new irons for fresh grooves and to replace damaged clubs (usually stones), it would be much easier if the specs stayed the same. Each set I buy has to have more custom adjustments to get back to stock specs from 20 years ago. 

There are plenty of new club sets with traditional L/L/L......you will be fine.

[klebs01]

4 hours ago, MrCook said:

 

What does lie angle have to do with this? My GI 7 iron is 62,5° Stock at 37" length. Pretty standard if you ask me, right around where a lot of players type irons sit.

 

Just took a look at the i430 irons, since they're what this thread is about. 7i is 37" and 62° lie, which I would say is even on the flatter side.

Holy moly that’s a 5 iron. So I could stamp it with a 5 get it .75” long and 2* flat and then have to shave some weight to get the swing weight right. 
 

the set has 5 wedges. The club numbers are all just off by 2. But with somewhat messed up lengths and weight. 

[I'_rather_be_golfing]

21 hours ago, Red4282 said:

Nobody is obsessed with it, its just a discussion

Just obsessed about discussing "jacked lofts". Seems to be a popular topic to discuss in the golfwrx world.

[8thehardway]

The numbers on a golfer's irons are there to quick-ify his club selection, identifying a club's relative distance along his short-to-long continum (a continuous sequence in which adjacent elements are not perceptibly different from each other, although the extremes are quite distinct).  That's it, only concerned with its own composition, self-referential, nothing to do with any other golfer. 

 

And don't expect things to change as long as there's televised golf; caddys only have so many fingers for signalling announcers what club their pro is about to hit.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[bekgolf]

3 minutes ago, I'_rather_be_golfing said:

Just obsessed about discussing "jacked lofts". Seems to be a popular topic to discuss in the golfwrx world.

 

We are all obsessed with golf, we come to wrx for the discussions.  Sometimes just to comment on why the discussions make sense/don't make sense. 

 

This time of year the discussions can get superficial but it's better than watching reruns of Gunsmoke.

[I'_rather_be_golfing]

On 1/16/2023 at 9:51 PM, TheOverratedPhotog said:

 

You'll have to learn new distances anyway if you get new clubs. With materials getting betters, distances are going to change, with you getting older etc.

See, they already sold you on the snake oil BS. And you didn't even realize it. Doesn't matter what new space age material they find. Distance is only gonna be based off of what the loft is. You aren't gaining 5mph ball speed cause of the type of metal was used. 

[I'_rather_be_golfing]

3 minutes ago, bekgolf said:

 

We are all obsessed with golf, we come to wrx for the discussions.  Sometimes just to comment on why the discussions make sense/don't make sense. 

 

This time of year the discussions can get superficial but it's better than watching reruns of Gunsmoke.

I know, I'm just saying.

[Red4282]

1 hour ago, I'_rather_be_golfing said:

Just obsessed about discussing "jacked lofts". Seems to be a popular topic to discuss in the golfwrx world.

Yes many of us wake up in the morning itching to argue about jacked lofts

[bekgolf]

1 hour ago, Red4282 said:

Yes many of us wake up in the morning itching to argue about jacked lofts

So I'm not the only one?  Love me a jacked lofts discussion.

[TheOverratedPhotog]

2 hours ago, I'_rather_be_golfing said:

See, they already sold you on the snake oil BS. And you didn't even realize it. Doesn't matter what new space age material they find. Distance is only gonna be based off of what the loft is. You aren't gaining 5mph ball speed cause of the type of metal was used. 

 

So the fact that my new driver consistently and verifiably hits longer than my 15 year old driver is a myth? How does that work? Is someone secretly running on the fairway while I am not looking at taking the ball 25 yards further down the fairway?

[Swingingk]

3 hours ago, TheOverratedPhotog said:

 

So the fact that my new driver consistently and verifiably hits longer than my 15 year old driver is a myth? How does that work? Is someone secretly running on the fairway while I am not looking at taking the ball 25 yards further down the fairway?

I heard TaylorMade is gonna do this for the Stealth III...

[MrCook]

10 hours ago, klebs01 said:

Holy moly that’s a 5 iron. So I could stamp it with a 5 get it .75” long and 2* flat and then have to shave some weight to get the swing weight right. 
 

the set has 5 wedges. The club numbers are all just off by 2. But with somewhat messed up lengths and weight. 

 

What do you mean 'that's 5 iron'? There's zero correlation between lie angle and loft. Lie needs to fit the length of the club, not the loft.

[I'_rather_be_golfing]

8 hours ago, TheOverratedPhotog said:

 

So the fact that my new driver consistently and verifiably hits longer than my 15 year old driver is a myth? How does that work? Is someone secretly running on the fairway while I am not looking at taking the ball 25 yards further down the fairway?

Bet you aren’t consistently doing that every time? If you are doing that consistently every time. Then yes, I’d agree and say I’m wrong.  I’d put money on that you aren’t though. Being around friends that pay money every year for new things. And not seeing much difference each time tells me other wise. 

[TheOverratedPhotog]

1 hour ago, I'_rather_be_golfing said:

Bet you aren’t consistently doing that every time? If you are doing that consistently every time. Then yes, I’d agree and say I’m wrong.  I’d put money on that you aren’t though. Being around friends that pay money every year for new things. And not seeing much difference each time tells me other wise. 

 

I am hitting it both longer on good shots and longer on bad shots. You cannot honestly tell me there have been zero improvements in shaft technology alone that would allow a club to hit further and straighter? Never mind the improvement in the face of clubs that would create a bigger sweet spot, or potentially increase the distance you get out of the sweet spot? Over 15 years? If you believe nothing has improved you're kidding yourself

[jerebear21]

for those playing a 42 degree PW, what did you actually pair with wedges, like a 48 degree GAP wedge and how was distances dispersion? I'm usually a traditional loft guy(AP2-T100) but the new fourteen blades offerings (TB-7) is screaming for me, or rather my heart is aching for them. O.o