Shoes and no deal

So I’ve been looking on WRX for some golf shoes. I only have 6 pairs so I needed another pair (or 2). I found a pair I liked, PM’d the dude and found out we were pretty close to each other. I asked what he’d be willing to take. No response. Messaged again a day later with an offer. No response. A day later, he responds with “sorry they sold”. I looked a few times to see if he logged in during the first couple messages and he did time multiple times I noticed.

Does this equate to a d ick move? I’m not going to shun the dude but if someone is conversing about it and makes an offer, I’d at least respond to the offer.

Did the shoes have an asking price? Make a full price offer or close to it and I'm sure you'd get a response. Many sellers won't respond to a "what's the lowest you'll take?" If they have other offers. Why would they?

Better than "I'll take it" and no response

Not a dick move. Your first response wasn't serious, how much will you take is a what a lot of low balling day dreamers use. Your second offer was likely lower than his asking price and thus ignored. His final response was a kind way of letting you know your offer wasn't realistic.

> @Krt22 said:

> Not a dick move. Your first response wasn't serious, how much will you take is a what a lot of low balling day dreamers use. Your second offer was likely lower than his asking price and thus ignored. His final response was a kind way of letting you know your offer wasn't realistic.

^^^^^

This. If you want to negotiate, start with an offer. What I am willing to take is already listed.

> @mister2cool said:

> > @Krt22 said:

> > Not a dick move. Your first response wasn't serious, how much will you take is a what a lot of low balling day dreamers use. Your second offer was likely lower than his asking price and thus ignored. His final response was a kind way of letting you know your offer wasn't realistic.

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> This. If you want to negotiate, start with an offer. What I am willing to take is already listed.

I am the same as you.

Whenever I get the message with what is the lowest you will take I reply with feel free to make an offer.

Whenever someone gives me the “what’s the lowest...” line, I’m tempted to reply back and raise the price.

> @gmangolf said:

> Whenever someone gives me the “what’s the lowest...” line, I’m tempted to reply back and raise the price.

I don't sell any on here for this exact reason, and the reason I only use Buy It Now on eBay. I do my research to see average selling price, then create an auction with a starting bid a little below that with a BIN price slightly higher. Usually someone uses the BIN. I get more than average and don't have to look at asinine offers. The buyer knows exactly what they are paying, not placing a bid and waiting it out to see if they win.

> @mister2cool said:

> > @Krt22 said:

> > Not a dick move. Your first response wasn't serious, how much will you take is a what a lot of low balling day dreamers use. Your second offer was likely lower than his asking price and thus ignored. His final response was a kind way of letting you know your offer wasn't realistic.

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> This. If you want to negotiate, start with an offer. What I am willing to take is already listed.

However most people are willing to take something lower. The price posted is normally what they want, not what they’ll accept.

> @ffmedicmatt said:

> > @mister2cool said:

> > > @Krt22 said:

> > > Not a dick move. Your first response wasn't serious, how much will you take is a what a lot of low balling day dreamers use. Your second offer was likely lower than his asking price and thus ignored. His final response was a kind way of letting you know your offer wasn't realistic.

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> > ^^^^^

> > This. If you want to negotiate, start with an offer. What I am willing to take is already listed.

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> However most people are willing to take something lower. The price posted is normally what they want, not what they’ll accept.

Yeah but these items are usually already discounted significantly. If you want a discount on top of that, make an offer. Don't expect the seller to tell you their bottom price.

@straightshot7 I think it’s easier to ask what they’d be willing to take. I haven’t had any issues doing that before. I have never, and will never low ball someone on something. You ask $100 for something I’m not going to message you and ask if you’ll take $30 for it. However most of the time, when I have messaged someone like that I get a response back that is a little less then what they posted. Rather than go back and forth with offers and what not, it’s it just easier to say hey I’m interested what’s the lowest you’ll go? If it’s good for you then good. If not then oh well

> @ffmedicmatt said:

> @straightshot7 I think it’s easier to ask what they’d be willing to take. I haven’t had any issues doing that before. I have never, and will never low ball someone on something. You ask $100 for something I’m not going to message you and ask if you’ll take $30 for it. However most of the time, when I have messaged someone like that I get a response back that is a little less then what they posted. Rather than go back and forth with offers and what not, it’s it just easier to say hey I’m interested what’s the lowest you’ll go? If it’s good for you then good. If not then oh well

There was a thread about that and some people don't mind the question but some do.

If you were the seller and the item was listed at $100, and you got three messages: the first one offered $90, the second one offered $85, and the third said "what's the lowest you'll take?"...which of these people are you going to prioritize?

Don't be surprised that you are ignored if you ask that question and others are making offers.

No one owes you a negotiation, you want it then pay asking, if not be prepared to lose out to someone that is less of a hassle than you are.

The "what's the lowest you will go?" question is not something I would respond to with any priority, especially if other buyers are messaging with real offers. I'm not going to negotiate with myself. If someone wants to offer less then offer less and I would accept or counter.

I’m likely to ignore the “what’s the lowest you’ll take?” question. It generally becomes the new starting point for the guy to offer you less. No thanks.

He was probably in the process of selling them already. You got a response, he didn't ignore you, I don't see what the dick move would be. Negotiating against yourself gets annoying, especially when you knock the price down and the guy ghosts on you anyways.

I really don’t know the seller’s reasoning for the way he acted, we only have the details you provided from your point of view. I’d probably have to know more from the seller’s end before I’d give you a strong opinion on this particular situation. Maybe he wasn’t ready to play the “what’s the lowest you’ll take” game yet, maybe he sold the shoes and had stopped paying attention to his messages.

Here’s a conversation I started this past fall that had some back-and-forth on the “what’s the lowest you’ll take” strategy; you will see that while some may use it and see no harm, there are some others that get slightly irritated/ annoyed by it. There’s no right or wrong, and folks can sell their stuff however they’d like, but you should be aware that tactics you find perfectly acceptable and part of the game, might offend or upset others:

https://forums.golfwrx.com/discussion/1702388/how-do-you-respond-to-this

Can I also say that I think it’s gross buying used shoes? To each their own.

“What’s the lowest price you’re willing to sell for?”

“Thanks for your interest. What’s the MOST you’re willing to pay?”

> @SubaruWRX said:

> “What’s the lowest price you’re willing to sell for?”

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> “Thanks for your interest. What’s the MOST you’re willing to pay?”

^^^ we have a winner ^^^

That’s pretty much my standard response.

> @SubaruWRX said:

> “What’s the lowest price you’re willing to sell for?”

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> “Thanks for your interest. What’s the MOST you’re willing to pay?”

Brilliant...absolutely brilliant!

I’m definitely gonna use that line the next time! LOL! Giving you full credit of course!

> @ffmedicmatt said:

> @straightshot7 I think it’s easier to ask what they’d be willing to take. I haven’t had any issues doing that before. I have never, and will never low ball someone on something. You ask $100 for something I’m not going to message you and ask if you’ll take $30 for it. However most of the time, when I have messaged someone like that I get a response back that is a little less then what they posted. Rather than go back and forth with offers and what not, it’s it just easier to say hey I’m interested what’s the lowest you’ll go? If it’s good for you then good. If not then oh well

It's easier for _you_. I typically ignore those responses, especially if I have actual offers. That's probably what happened.

> @SubaruWRX said:

> “What’s the lowest price you’re willing to sell for?”

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> “Thanks for your interest. What’s the MOST you’re willing to pay?”

Brilliant.

> @LPSISCO said:

> I’m likely to ignore the “what’s the lowest you’ll take?” question. It generally becomes the new starting point for the guy to offer you less. No thanks.

I very seldom respond to "whats the lowest you'll take?" question either. Im over selling on the BST. I pretty much try to give my stuff away and still get a ton of lowball offers. There are def some good buyers on here that realize a good deal when they see one, but the cheapskates outnumber the good ones!

They've already put out the price they want. They started the process and made the first step in the negotiation. If you feel like you want to pay less, offer what you're willing to pay. They've already told you want they want to sell for.

As a seller, this can be seen as a cheap cop out to get the bartering started in a more advantages position for the buyer. I've played this game with buyers before. More often than not, it ends with crickets and me selling to someone else when you don't knock off a huge percentage from your original price.

> @SubaruWRX said:

> “What’s the lowest price you’re willing to sell for?”

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> “Thanks for your interest. What’s the MOST you’re willing to pay?”

This is perfect!! You know what's funny, is that if somebody said that to a buyer they would be on here calling the seller a dick.

If I'm gonna get low balled I would rather them just sent a price so I know not to waste my time responding rather than having a back and forth. Last time I sold something on BST (716 AP2), I got 2 PMs offering half or less than what I was asking... and the starting price I threw out was more than fair because I wanted to move them quickly. I knocked off $30 for shipping to the first person who sent me a reasonable offer.

> @ffmedicmatt said:

> @straightshot7 I think it’s easier to ask what they’d be willing to take. I haven’t had any issues doing that before. I have never, and will never low ball someone on something. You ask $100 for something I’m not going to message you and ask if you’ll take $30 for it. However most of the time, when I have messaged someone like that I get a response back that is a little less then what they posted. Rather than go back and forth with offers and what not, it’s it just easier to say hey I’m interested what’s the lowest you’ll go? If it’s good for you then good. If not then oh well

You can do as you wish, just don't get butt hurt when you don't get the response you feel entitled to. Folks are telling you exactly how they might view your approach, up to you to accept that other's don't see it the same way you do.

I hate when I don't make an offer and sellers don't sell at my non price. The nerve.

> @earleyrc said:

> > @SubaruWRX said:

> > “What’s the lowest price you’re willing to sell for?”

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> > “Thanks for your interest. What’s the MOST you’re willing to pay?”

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> This is perfect!! You know what's funny, is that if somebody said that to a buyer they would be on here calling the seller a dick.

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> If I'm gonna get low balled I would rather them just sent a price so I know not to waste my time responding rather than having a back and forth. Last time I sold something on BST (716 AP2), I got 2 PMs offering half or less than what I was asking... and the starting price I threw out was more than fair because I wanted to move them quickly. I knocked off $30 for shipping to the first person who sent me a reasonable offer.

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That is my stock line when people ask me what my lowest price is. I had someone get really upset with me about it too. I just had to laugh. "Dude, if youre going to get this agitated during the negotiation process (which we're not in, you havent given me a number) , i'm certainly not going to sell something to you." He probably called me a dick and started a thread about it.

I'm not going to negotiate against myself. I already gave a number when I created the ad.

> @ffmedicmatt said:

> @straightshot7 I think it’s easier to ask what they’d be willing to take. I haven’t had any issues doing that before. I have never, and will never low ball someone on something. You ask $100 for something I’m not going to message you and ask if you’ll take $30 for it. However most of the time, when I have messaged someone like that I get a response back that is a little less then what they posted. Rather than go back and forth with offers and what not, it’s it just easier to say hey I’m interested what’s the lowest you’ll go? If it’s good for you then good. If not then oh well

From seller's perspective, that is just not a good approach in negotiate. If you are serious about the item, make a serious offer. A comment like what's the lowest you'll take comes across somewhat halfhearted as if you can't even be bothered to come up with a real offer. Surely some people may not mind as much as others, and you can certainly continue to ask that. However, don't expect everyone to see it the way you do all the time.

> @GoIrish17 said:

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> Can I also say that I think it’s gross buying used shoes? To each their own.

LOL.. that's what I always thought!!! I mean.. my shoes stink so I would feel right even trying to sell them, and I can't picture others' don't. hahahahaha