Let's Get Real: 200 Yards

[martinbns]

I have become the guy you describe, I have bad knees and have lost clubhead speed with my driver over the past few years and only carry a driver 205 to 215 and play a tough course that has the softest, dampest fairways I've ever seen before.

Several par fours on our course in the 380 to 410 range I am hitting hybrids or 3 woods into the greens, the white tees measure 6100, on long par three that can play 190-210 where it's a 3 hybrid or 3 wood.

The slope rating for the white tees is 133, it's tough but still fun. Yesterday in mens night there was a par 5 that was off the back of the blue tee box at 541 yards with a creek at the 120 mark from the green. I killed a driver, 215(plugged), then hit a 3 hybrid(plugged) to just behind the 150 yard marker then hit 7 iron to the front pin, I basically hit three perfect shots, 2 putt par.

In our case if the fairways were a bit firmer or drained better the distances would be manageable, but when it's soggy very difficult. Driver, wedge is a thing of the past for me.

[That Bob Guy]

[quote name='Sean2' timestamp='1403532131' post='9556915']
I have read, on more then one occasion, that the average male drives the ball around 200 yards.

200. Yards.

Now, this does not apply to the typical member of this forum, however, it does bring up a few questions.

If such is the case, and the average middle tee box is 6100 to 6200 hundred yards, then the average golfer is very hard pressed to hit most of the par 4's in regulation, since he is probably hitting a hybrid or fairway wood into them. Not to mentions those 180 to 200 yard par 3's.

How much fun is that?

One can extrapolate from that yardage that perhaps his 5-iron may go around 150. If so, and taking the formula from Golf Digest (distance one hit's a 5-iron multiplied by 36), then our intrepid golfer should be playing from about 5400 yards, or stretch it to 5700.

Shocking yes. Probably realistic too.

And, this distance would allow for a few things:

1. Our golfer would be much less frustrated.

2. He would actually get to hit those nice new irons he just purchased.

3. He might actually have more than one birdie putt a round.

4. He would start posting lower scores.

5. Minimizing 180 yard forced carries that our golfer has no realistic chance of pulling off.

6. Maybe, just maybe one of the reasons people leave the game is out of frustration. And, one of those frustrations may be he has no realistic chance of posting a decent score from 6100-6200 yard.

Yes, I know a huge part of this game is ego driven, but golf courses could move the tee boxes up, and have the same color makers.

Anyway, I just thought I throw this out there. I know 5400 to 5700 sounds paltry by GolfWRX standards, but what is the purpose of the game? Having fun, enjoying yourself, or walking off the 18th green miserable and pissed off?

Let's be a bit more realistic, let's have a bit more fun, and perhaps more people will enjoy themselves, and fewer people will leave the game.
[/quote]
You know...the way I see it is, you still have to hit the shots. I smoked a tee shot the other day, so I thought I'd measure it with my Garmin. A whopping 217 YDS! Wow eh? Mind you, that was almost all carry and no roll. I'd take them all day, at this point in time.

[TBD203]

I'm in this predicament because my driver goes as far right as it does forward, so I hit 4i, 4i on a lot of par 4s. I don't claim to hit my 4i 230-240 like I'm sure some WRX'ers do but at least I can reach 410-420 par 4s on occasion.

[That Bob Guy]

[quote name='Sean2' timestamp='1403533895' post='9557177']
[quote name='CactusGolf' timestamp='1403533790' post='9557151']
The OP's original statement is true. My regular playing partner (21 HCP, 56 years old) drives the ball about 200 yards at most and typically had a 3 wood (and another wedge) into par 5s.

This year, I convinced him to move up a tee box to play about 6,400 yards at the absolute most. His scores have plummeted and he's going into the par 4s with mid-irons now.

[b]A lot of the issues have to do with players not knowing how far they actually hit the ball.[/b]
[/quote]

Very true.

And I'm glad your friend took your advice and moved up. He's probably having a lot more fun too. :-)
[/quote]

Golf shouldn't be a [i][b]pissing contest[/b][/i].

[Startzel]

[quote name='DavePelz4' timestamp='1403581180' post='9563703']
You are putting words into my mouth Sean2. You did judge, hence the word stentorian.

[/quote]

It's amazing how Sean is allowed to make snide remarks about everyone who disagrees with him.

[Pigems]

But we're men, EVERYTHING we do is a pissing contest for us

[golfortennis]

[quote name='theothertomjones' timestamp='1403549763' post='9559613']
[quote name='Sean2' timestamp='1403532131' post='9556915']
I have read, on more then one occasion, that the average male drives the ball around 200 yards.

200. Yards.

Now, this does not apply to the typical member of this forum, however, it does bring up a few questions.

If such is the case, and the average middle tee box is 6100 to 6200 hundred yards, then the average golfer is very hard pressed to hit most of the par 4's in regulation, since he is probably hitting a hybrid or fairway wood into them. Not to mentions those 180 to 200 yard par 3's.

How much fun is that?

One can extrapolate from that yardage that perhaps his 5-iron may go around 150. If so, and taking the formula from Golf Digest (distance one hit's a 5-iron multiplied by 36), then our intrepid golfer should be playing from about 5400 yards, or stretch it to 5700.

Shocking yes. Probably realistic too.

And, this distance would allow for a few things:

1. Our golfer would be much less frustrated.

2. He would actually get to hit those nice new irons he just purchased.

3. He might actually have more than one birdie putt a round.

4. He would start posting lower scores.

5. Minimizing 180 yard forced carries that our golfer has no realistic chance of pulling off.

6. Maybe, just maybe one of the reasons people leave the game is out of frustration. And, one of those frustrations may be he has no realistic chance of posting a decent score from 6100-6200 yard.

Yes, I know a huge part of this game is ego driven, but golf courses could move the tee boxes up, and have the same color makers.

Anyway, I just thought I throw this out there. I know 5400 to 5700 sounds paltry by GolfWRX standards, but what is the purpose of the game? Having fun, enjoying yourself, or walking off the 18th green miserable and pissed off?

Let's be a bit more realistic, let's have a bit more fun, and perhaps more people will enjoy themselves, and fewer people will leave the game.
[/quote]

I drive the ball in the 270's and I stick to 6200-6500 yard tees.

However, I recently played a collegiate course at 6,800 yards and THAT was a challenge. I could hit a drive on longer par 4's and still have 180 or so in. On par 5's I could crush one off the tee and still have 230 in. Good gracious! No thanks. I like playing 6/7 iron and in on second shots. Game is just more enjoyable that way.
[/quote]


I call BS on this one. You drive it 270. There aren't that many 450 yd par 4s in 6800 yard course. And 230 in on a par 5 after a "crushed" drive? that sounds like how a par 5 is supposed to play. You can go for it in two or layup. Not to mention if you're driving 270, you can hit a 7 about 160.

Something doesn't add up here.

[ecrugger]

Here's one example of how a course can help encourage players to play the right tees, simply by renaming the tee boxes:

[url="http://www.oldehomesteadgolfclub.com/18-Hole-Golf-Course_c61321703061.html"]http://www.oldehomesteadgolfclub.com/18-Hole-Golf-Course_c61321703061.html[/url]

[color=#808080][size=3][b]Trailblazer [/b][/size][/color][list]
[*]Recommended Handicap: 0 - 6
[*]73.2 rating
[*]134 slope
[*]6,800 yards
[/list]
[color=#808080][size=3][b]Pioneer [/b][/size][/color][list]
[*]Recommended Handicap: 7 - 12
[*]71.9 rating
[*]129 slope
[*]6,247 yards
[/list]
[color=#808080][size=3][b]Homesteader [/b][/size][/color][list]
[*]Recommended Handicap: 13 - 19
[*]69.5 rating
[*]125 slope
[*]6,002 yards
[/list]
[color=#808080][size=3][b]Settler [/b][/size][/color][list]
[*]Recommended Handicap: 20 - 26
[*]67.3 rating
[*]118 slope
[*]5,346 yards
[/list]
[color=#808080][size=3][b]Frontiersman [/b][/size][/color][list]
[*]Recommended Handicap: 27+
[*]69.7 rating
[*]121 slope
[*]4,926 yards
[*]
[/list]

[theothertomjones]

[quote name='Bluefan75' timestamp='1403616983' post='9565465']
[quote name='theothertomjones' timestamp='1403549763' post='9559613']
[quote name='Sean2' timestamp='1403532131' post='9556915']
I have read, on more then one occasion, that the average male drives the ball around 200 yards.

200. Yards.

Now, this does not apply to the typical member of this forum, however, it does bring up a few questions.

If such is the case, and the average middle tee box is 6100 to 6200 hundred yards, then the average golfer is very hard pressed to hit most of the par 4's in regulation, since he is probably hitting a hybrid or fairway wood into them. Not to mentions those 180 to 200 yard par 3's.

How much fun is that?

One can extrapolate from that yardage that perhaps his 5-iron may go around 150. If so, and taking the formula from Golf Digest (distance one hit's a 5-iron multiplied by 36), then our intrepid golfer should be playing from about 5400 yards, or stretch it to 5700.

Shocking yes. Probably realistic too.

And, this distance would allow for a few things:

1. Our golfer would be much less frustrated.

2. He would actually get to hit those nice new irons he just purchased.

3. He might actually have more than one birdie putt a round.

4. He would start posting lower scores.

5. Minimizing 180 yard forced carries that our golfer has no realistic chance of pulling off.

6. Maybe, just maybe one of the reasons people leave the game is out of frustration. And, one of those frustrations may be he has no realistic chance of posting a decent score from 6100-6200 yard.

Yes, I know a huge part of this game is ego driven, but golf courses could move the tee boxes up, and have the same color makers.

Anyway, I just thought I throw this out there. I know 5400 to 5700 sounds paltry by GolfWRX standards, but what is the purpose of the game? Having fun, enjoying yourself, or walking off the 18th green miserable and pissed off?

Let's be a bit more realistic, let's have a bit more fun, and perhaps more people will enjoy themselves, and fewer people will leave the game.
[/quote]

I drive the ball in the 270's and I stick to 6200-6500 yard tees.

However, I recently played a collegiate course at 6,800 yards and THAT was a challenge. I could hit a drive on longer par 4's and still have 180 or so in. On par 5's I could crush one off the tee and still have 230 in. Good gracious! No thanks. I like playing 6/7 iron and in on second shots. Game is just more enjoyable that way.
[/quote]


I call BS on this one. You drive it 270. There aren't that many 450 yd par 4s in 6800 yard course. And 230 in on a par 5 after a "crushed" drive? that sounds like how a par 5 is supposed to play. You can go for it in two or layup. Not to mention if you're driving 270, you can hit a 7 about 160.

Something doesn't add up here.
[/quote]


BS eh? According to what? Your expertise?

You do understand this is an NCAA collegiate course, right?

http://www.uncfinley.com/course/scorecard.html

Gold tees.

#9 435 yard Par 4
#10 422 yard Par 4
#13 548 yard Par 5
#15 442 yard Par 4
#16 427 yard Par 4
#17 539 yard Par 5

Total tee distance 6,844.

And stop assuming that these holes dont have doglegs. So while I may drive in the 270's, that doesn't mean the 2nd shot = [length of tee] - drive distance. Thats quite silly.

[ABgolfer2]

[quote name='theothertomjones' timestamp='1403618588' post='9565615']
[quote name='Bluefan75' timestamp='1403616983' post='9565465']
[quote name='theothertomjones' timestamp='1403549763' post='9559613']
[quote name='Sean2' timestamp='1403532131' post='9556915']
I have read, on more then one occasion, that the average male drives the ball around 200 yards.

200. Yards.

Now, this does not apply to the typical member of this forum, however, it does bring up a few questions.

If such is the case, and the average middle tee box is 6100 to 6200 hundred yards, then the average golfer is very hard pressed to hit most of the par 4's in regulation, since he is probably hitting a hybrid or fairway wood into them. Not to mentions those 180 to 200 yard par 3's.

How much fun is that?

One can extrapolate from that yardage that perhaps his 5-iron may go around 150. If so, and taking the formula from Golf Digest (distance one hit's a 5-iron multiplied by 36), then our intrepid golfer should be playing from about 5400 yards, or stretch it to 5700.

Shocking yes. Probably realistic too.

And, this distance would allow for a few things:

1. Our golfer would be much less frustrated.

2. He would actually get to hit those nice new irons he just purchased.

3. He might actually have more than one birdie putt a round.

4. He would start posting lower scores.

5. Minimizing 180 yard forced carries that our golfer has no realistic chance of pulling off.

6. Maybe, just maybe one of the reasons people leave the game is out of frustration. And, one of those frustrations may be he has no realistic chance of posting a decent score from 6100-6200 yard.

Yes, I know a huge part of this game is ego driven, but golf courses could move the tee boxes up, and have the same color makers.

Anyway, I just thought I throw this out there. I know 5400 to 5700 sounds paltry by GolfWRX standards, but what is the purpose of the game? Having fun, enjoying yourself, or walking off the 18th green miserable and pissed off?

Let's be a bit more realistic, let's have a bit more fun, and perhaps more people will enjoy themselves, and fewer people will leave the game.
[/quote]

I drive the ball in the 270's and I stick to 6200-6500 yard tees.

However, I recently played a collegiate course at 6,800 yards and THAT was a challenge. I could hit a drive on longer par 4's and still have 180 or so in. On par 5's I could crush one off the tee and still have 230 in. Good gracious! No thanks. I like playing 6/7 iron and in on second shots. Game is just more enjoyable that way.
[/quote]


I call BS on this one. You drive it 270. There aren't that many 450 yd par 4s in 6800 yard course. And 230 in on a par 5 after a "crushed" drive? that sounds like how a par 5 is supposed to play. You can go for it in two or layup. Not to mention if you're driving 270, you can hit a 7 about 160.

Something doesn't add up here.
[/quote]


BS eh? According to what? Your expertise?

You do understand this is an NCAA collegiate course, right?

http://www.uncfinley.com/course/scorecard.html

Gold tees.

#9 435 yard Par 4
#10 422 yard Par 4
#13 548 yard Par 5
#15 442 yard Par 4
#16 427 yard Par 4
#17 539 yard Par 5

Total tee distance 6,844.

And stop assuming that these holes dont have doglegs. So while I may drive in the 270's, that doesn't mean the 2nd shot = [length of tee] - drive distance. Thats quite silly.
[/quote]

That looks like zero 450 yard par 4s officially, but #15 is close enough.

[theothertomjones]

Ill also add this to the conversation:

When I first started playing frequently and was only driving the ball 240-250 or so, I dropped something like 8-10 strokes just by moving up from ~6500 yard tees to 6200 yard tees. So, back then having the opportunity to putt for birdie instead of par was much more fun for me, and has kept my enthusiasm up.

[pssywgn]

To quote Dr. Dre:
[color=#000000][size=3][center][background=rgb(204, 204, 221)]Dedicated to all of those with big ego's[/background][/center][/size][/color]
[color=#000000][size=3][center][background=rgb(204, 204, 221)]Never fakin, we get the dough and live legal[/background][/center][/size][/color]
[color=#000000][size=3][center][background=rgb(204, 204, 221)]Haters hate this, we sip the Mo' and yank the heezos[/background][/center][/size][/color]

People don't "tee it forward" because those tees don't exist, it's because "the men play the men's tees".

If I owned a course, and you were a member, I would make the tees based on handicap at your current "shorter tees". You get a flag on your cart for what tee color you are allowed to play. You play better, you move back.

Not a member and coming from out of town? Provide a handicap over the phone.

I am sick and tired of paying $65 at a pretty decent few local courses to be standing on the 16th tee after 6 hours because people are too proud to either move up a teebox or get off the course if they are holding it up.

Some places in Europe require a certain ability just to get on the course.

[theothertomjones]

[quote name='ABgolfer2' timestamp='1403618915' post='9565651']
[quote name='theothertomjones' timestamp='1403618588' post='9565615']
[quote name='Bluefan75' timestamp='1403616983' post='9565465']
[quote name='theothertomjones' timestamp='1403549763' post='9559613']
[quote name='Sean2' timestamp='1403532131' post='9556915']
I have read, on more then one occasion, that the average male drives the ball around 200 yards.

200. Yards.

Now, this does not apply to the typical member of this forum, however, it does bring up a few questions.

If such is the case, and the average middle tee box is 6100 to 6200 hundred yards, then the average golfer is very hard pressed to hit most of the par 4's in regulation, since he is probably hitting a hybrid or fairway wood into them. Not to mentions those 180 to 200 yard par 3's.

How much fun is that?

One can extrapolate from that yardage that perhaps his 5-iron may go around 150. If so, and taking the formula from Golf Digest (distance one hit's a 5-iron multiplied by 36), then our intrepid golfer should be playing from about 5400 yards, or stretch it to 5700.

Shocking yes. Probably realistic too.

And, this distance would allow for a few things:

1. Our golfer would be much less frustrated.

2. He would actually get to hit those nice new irons he just purchased.

3. He might actually have more than one birdie putt a round.

4. He would start posting lower scores.

5. Minimizing 180 yard forced carries that our golfer has no realistic chance of pulling off.

6. Maybe, just maybe one of the reasons people leave the game is out of frustration. And, one of those frustrations may be he has no realistic chance of posting a decent score from 6100-6200 yard.

Yes, I know a huge part of this game is ego driven, but golf courses could move the tee boxes up, and have the same color makers.

Anyway, I just thought I throw this out there. I know 5400 to 5700 sounds paltry by GolfWRX standards, but what is the purpose of the game? Having fun, enjoying yourself, or walking off the 18th green miserable and pissed off?

Let's be a bit more realistic, let's have a bit more fun, and perhaps more people will enjoy themselves, and fewer people will leave the game.
[/quote]

I drive the ball in the 270's and I stick to 6200-6500 yard tees.

However, I recently played a collegiate course at 6,800 yards and THAT was a challenge. I could hit a drive on longer par 4's and still have 180 or so in. On par 5's I could crush one off the tee and still have 230 in. Good gracious! No thanks. I like playing 6/7 iron and in on second shots. Game is just more enjoyable that way.
[/quote]


I call BS on this one. You drive it 270. There aren't that many 450 yd par 4s in 6800 yard course. And 230 in on a par 5 after a "crushed" drive? that sounds like how a par 5 is supposed to play. You can go for it in two or layup. Not to mention if you're driving 270, you can hit a 7 about 160.

Something doesn't add up here.
[/quote]


BS eh? According to what? Your expertise?

You do understand this is an NCAA collegiate course, right?

[url="http://www.uncfinley.com/course/scorecard.html"]http://www.uncfinley.../scorecard.html[/url]

Gold tees.

#9 435 yard Par 4
#10 422 yard Par 4
#13 548 yard Par 5
#15 442 yard Par 4
#16 427 yard Par 4
#17 539 yard Par 5

Total tee distance 6,844.

And stop assuming that these holes dont have doglegs. So while I may drive in the 270's, that doesn't mean the 2nd shot = [length of tee] - drive distance. Thats quite silly.
[/quote]

That looks like zero 450 yard par 4s officially, but #15 is close enough.
[/quote]


1. [s]You[/s] Bluefan75 dropped the "450 yard par 4" in, not me.

2. I said "180 or so" left on the 2nd shot meaning + or - that approximate distance.

3. Given the yardages of the course I provided, my statement stands true.

[color=#282828]edit: correction and apologies to ABgolfer2[/color]

[golfortennis]

[quote name='CallawayLefty' timestamp='1403535156' post='9557421']
Here we go again. 700 yards over 18 holes is just under 39 yards. So we move them 39 yards closer on every hole. So what???? Think about it for a minute - how much better will a guy who couldn't break 120 in a tournament setting (e.g. 90% of golfers) really shoot from 39 yards closer? Do you think a guy who tops every other drive is going to stop it because you've moved him up a tee box? Do you think a guy who can't make contact with an iron gets a better chance by hitting a 9 iron instead of a 6 iron? And you know the funniest part? These people's long game is typically the BEST thing that they do. You routinely see them get pretty close to the green in regulation (or maybe 1 shot over regulation). Then the chilli dip 2 chips. Then they chip their next one in the bunker. Then they can't get it out of the bunker. Then they eventually do and 4 putt even with a 3 foot gimme at the end.

People who suck at golf suck at golf. They wouldn't be out there playing if they didn't get something out of it. Helping them shoot 115 instead of 120 changes nothing.

But what it does do is make every marshall/starter/head pro all antsy about the "tee it forward" crowd. I am a 4 handicap and played this week with another 4 handicap and a guy who's about a 6. We were discouraged by the marshall from playing tees that measured 6,600 yards. Do you know what a joke that is? The longest approach I had all day was a 6 iron into a 460 yard hole. The longest par 3 was 177 yards. I was within 275 yards on all of the par 5s. But still I have to deal with the obligatory shaming that now occurs on every 1st tee across Murica for playing anything other than the ladies tees.

Get over it. More than 50% of the golfing world either (1) disagrees with Tee it Forward; (2) doesn't even know what Tee it Forward is, and thus won't tee it forward; or (3) knows about Tee it Forward and could benefit to the tune of 5 strokes per round by teeing it forward, but won't end up doing it either way.

EDIT: We played in 4:10 at a very crowded public course at prime time on a Saturday morning, for what it's worth. We waited on approximately 2 shots all day.
[/quote]

Agreed. More to it than just spouting platitudes and making assumptions about every one else's game. I stared down a starter pretty good one time when I went to the back tee and he said well let's see if you can play from there. Pounded it down the middle and just stared. Funny how assumptions can be made about people's games in one direction, but people can't be allowed to know their own if it involves back tees.

[ABgolfer2]

[quote name='theothertomjones' timestamp='1403619289' post='9565717']
[quote name='ABgolfer2' timestamp='1403618915' post='9565651']
[quote name='theothertomjones' timestamp='1403618588' post='9565615']
[quote name='Bluefan75' timestamp='1403616983' post='9565465']
[quote name='theothertomjones' timestamp='1403549763' post='9559613']

I drive the ball in the 270's and I stick to 6200-6500 yard tees.

However, I recently played a collegiate course at 6,800 yards and THAT was a challenge. I could hit a drive on longer par 4's and still have 180 or so in. On par 5's I could crush one off the tee and still have 230 in. Good gracious! No thanks. I like playing 6/7 iron and in on second shots. Game is just more enjoyable that way.
[/quote]


I call BS on this one. You drive it 270. There aren't that many 450 yd par 4s in 6800 yard course. And 230 in on a par 5 after a "crushed" drive? that sounds like how a par 5 is supposed to play. You can go for it in two or layup. Not to mention if you're driving 270, you can hit a 7 about 160.

Something doesn't add up here.
[/quote]


BS eh? According to what? Your expertise?

You do understand this is an NCAA collegiate course, right?

[url="http://www.uncfinley.com/course/scorecard.html"]http://www.uncfinley.../scorecard.html[/url]

Gold tees.

#9 435 yard Par 4
#10 422 yard Par 4
#13 548 yard Par 5
#15 442 yard Par 4
#16 427 yard Par 4
#17 539 yard Par 5

Total tee distance 6,844.

And stop assuming that these holes dont have doglegs. So while I may drive in the 270's, that doesn't mean the 2nd shot = [length of tee] - drive distance. Thats quite silly.
[/quote]

That looks like zero 450 yard par 4s officially, but #15 is close enough.
[/quote]


1. You were the one who dropped the "450 yard par 4" in, not me.

2. I said "180 or so" left on the 2nd shot meaning + or - that approximate distance.

3. Given the yardages of the course I provided, my statement stands true.

4. Stop being a dick.
[/quote]

Your math is funny and your accusations are misdirected.

RE #4: Take a look in the mirror,

[theothertomjones]

[quote name='ABgolfer2' timestamp='1403620275' post='9565849']
Your math is funny and your accusations are misdirected.

RE #4: Take a look in the mirror,
[/quote]


[s]You[/s] Bluefan75 was wrong.

[s]You[/s] Bluefan75 assigned a specific value to an approximation in a scenario [s]you[/s] he made up out of thin air, then contested my point of fact, only for [s]you[/s] him to look like a fool when presented with a course [s]you[/s] he obviously wasn't aware of.

edit: correction and apologies to ABgolfer2

[Pigems]

Are we going to need Kerry Fraser in here?

[golfortennis]

[quote name='theothertomjones' timestamp='1403618588' post='9565615']
[quote name='Bluefan75' timestamp='1403616983' post='9565465']
[quote name='theothertomjones' timestamp='1403549763' post='9559613']
[quote name='Sean2' timestamp='1403532131' post='9556915']
I have read, on more then one occasion, that the average male drives the ball around 200 yards.

200. Yards.

Now, this does not apply to the typical member of this forum, however, it does bring up a few questions.

If such is the case, and the average middle tee box is 6100 to 6200 hundred yards, then the average golfer is very hard pressed to hit most of the par 4's in regulation, since he is probably hitting a hybrid or fairway wood into them. Not to mentions those 180 to 200 yard par 3's.

How much fun is that?

One can extrapolate from that yardage that perhaps his 5-iron may go around 150. If so, and taking the formula from Golf Digest (distance one hit's a 5-iron multiplied by 36), then our intrepid golfer should be playing from about 5400 yards, or stretch it to 5700.

Shocking yes. Probably realistic too.

And, this distance would allow for a few things:

1. Our golfer would be much less frustrated.

2. He would actually get to hit those nice new irons he just purchased.

3. He might actually have more than one birdie putt a round.

4. He would start posting lower scores.

5. Minimizing 180 yard forced carries that our golfer has no realistic chance of pulling off.

6. Maybe, just maybe one of the reasons people leave the game is out of frustration. And, one of those frustrations may be he has no realistic chance of posting a decent score from 6100-6200 yard.

Yes, I know a huge part of this game is ego driven, but golf courses could move the tee boxes up, and have the same color makers.

Anyway, I just thought I throw this out there. I know 5400 to 5700 sounds paltry by GolfWRX standards, but what is the purpose of the game? Having fun, enjoying yourself, or walking off the 18th green miserable and pissed off?

Let's be a bit more realistic, let's have a bit more fun, and perhaps more people will enjoy themselves, and fewer people will leave the game.
[/quote]

I drive the ball in the 270's and I stick to 6200-6500 yard tees.

However, I recently played a collegiate course at 6,800 yards and THAT was a challenge. I could hit a drive on longer par 4's and still have 180 or so in. On par 5's I could crush one off the tee and still have 230 in. Good gracious! No thanks. I like playing 6/7 iron and in on second shots. Game is just more enjoyable that way.
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I call BS on this one. You drive it 270. There aren't that many 450 yd par 4s in 6800 yard course. And 230 in on a par 5 after a "crushed" drive? that sounds like how a par 5 is supposed to play. You can go for it in two or layup. Not to mention if you're driving 270, you can hit a 7 about 160.

Something doesn't add up here.
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BS eh? According to what? Your expertise?

You do understand this is an NCAA collegiate course, right?

[url="http://www.uncfinley.com/course/scorecard.html"]http://www.uncfinley.../scorecard.html[/url]

Gold tees.

#9 435 yard Par 4
#10 422 yard Par 4
#13 548 yard Par 5
#15 442 yard Par 4
#16 427 yard Par 4
#17 539 yard Par 5

Total tee distance 6,844.

And stop assuming that these holes dont have doglegs. So while I may drive in the 270's, that doesn't mean the 2nd shot = [length of tee] - drive distance. Thats quite silly.
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That's a nice course. Only #10 looks to have any kind of forced layup off the tee due to the doglegs. So while, yes, it's not an exact hole length - drive, if you're hitting it 270 I don't see where you are having so much trouble. Unless you consistently hit the furthest side of the fairway and are playing to a deep pin.....

And those par 5s....well you said 230 out after smashing a drive. Hitting your normal drive still covers off half the hole in one shot.

I'm still having a hard time seeing how you don't have 6/7 iron into most of these greens(and some par 4s are designed to have you hit longer irons).

Either 1)you have a seriuosly jacked up driver, 2)you are overestimating how far you hit your drive, or 3)you are a better ballstriker than you are giving yourself credit for. It could very well be #3, your attitude towards AB aside.

[ABgolfer2]

[quote name='theothertomjones' timestamp='1403620492' post='9565871']
[quote name='ABgolfer2' timestamp='1403620275' post='9565849']
Your math is funny and your accusations are misdirected.

RE #4: Take a look in the mirror,
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You were wrong. Be a man, grow up, and just own it. s*** happens.

You assigned a specific value to an approximation in a scenario you made up out of thin air, then contested my point of fact, only for you to look like a fool when presented with a course you obviously weren't aware of.

Stop trying to blame me for your mistake. Perhaps next time you'll open your mind instead of your mouth before accusing someone else of BS.

Im not the guy you want to get in a battle of wit with.
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Quoted for posterity since you're in edit mode. Hopefully the mods will delete this so you can maintain a measure of credibility on other threads.

[ABgolfer2]

[quote name='theothertomjones' timestamp='1403621201' post='9565965']
[quote name='ABgolfer2' timestamp='1403620764' post='9565911']
[quote name='theothertomjones' timestamp='1403620492' post='9565871']
[quote name='ABgolfer2' timestamp='1403620275' post='9565849']
Your math is funny and your accusations are misdirected.

RE #4: Take a look in the mirror,
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You were wrong.

You assigned a specific value to an approximation in a scenario you made up out of thin air, then contested my point of fact, only for you to look like a fool when presented with a course you obviously weren't aware of.

Stop trying to blame me for your mistake. Perhaps next time you'll open your mind instead of your mouth before accusing someone else of BS.

Im not the guy you want to get in a battle of wit with.
[/quote]

Maybe you should go back and read that post, including the name of the poster who likely used your numbers (driving 270s and 180 yard approaches). Then after you apologize the mods can clean this thread up.
[/quote]

Look, jackass, lets see EXACTLY what I said:

[quote]
[color=#282828][background=rgb(247, 247, 247)]I drive the ball in the 270's and I stick to 6200-6500 yard tees.[/background][/color]

[color=#282828][background=rgb(247, 247, 247)]However, I recently played a collegiate course at 6,800 yards and THAT was a challenge. [b]I could hit a drive [u]on longer par 4's[/u] and [u]still have 180 [i]or so in[/i][/u][/b].[/quote][/background][/color]

I understand you are from Canada, and your english may be a bit shaky, but "180 or so in" means a little more or a little less.

Given the assumption in your logic that 270 yard drive, + "180 or so in", that would mean you [i]assume[/i] the holes could be + or - 450 yards, which they in fact are, and there are several of them unbeknownst to you.

You were wrong. Suck it up and move along.
[/quote]

What part of "YOUR ANGER IS BEING DIRECTED AT THE WRONG POSTER" is not registering with you?

Edit: now my nationality is being insulted. Very classy.

[Pigems]

ABgolfet2, you might as well be arguing with square, he's not going to get it

[ABgolfer2]

[quote name='Pigems' timestamp='1403621716' post='9566055']
ABgolfet2, you might as well be arguing with square, he's not going to get it
[/quote]

Good point.

[oldschoolrocker]

Lots of discussion in this and other threads about clubs people should bag and tees people should play from. I am sure they are all we intentioned and most all make valid arguments, but I have come to the conclusion in golf as in life the only person I have control over is myself. Everything else is a waste of energy.
If I play modern setup 6400-6500 max. With persimmons and vintage irons 5800-6200 max. These numbers provide both a challenge and a realistic chance of a good round. I had to come to that conclusion on my own accord.
And I am in total agreement that the majority of golfers over estimate their capabilities, myself included.

[theothertomjones]

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[quote name='Sean2' timestamp='1403532131' post='9556915']
I have read, on more then one occasion, that the average male drives the ball around 200 yards.

200. Yards.

Now, this does not apply to the typical member of this forum, however, it does bring up a few questions.

If such is the case, and the average middle tee box is 6100 to 6200 hundred yards, then the average golfer is very hard pressed to hit most of the par 4's in regulation, since he is probably hitting a hybrid or fairway wood into them. Not to mentions those 180 to 200 yard par 3's.

How much fun is that?

One can extrapolate from that yardage that perhaps his 5-iron may go around 150. If so, and taking the formula from Golf Digest (distance one hit's a 5-iron multiplied by 36), then our intrepid golfer should be playing from about 5400 yards, or stretch it to 5700.

Shocking yes. Probably realistic too.

And, this distance would allow for a few things:

1. Our golfer would be much less frustrated.

2. He would actually get to hit those nice new irons he just purchased.

3. He might actually have more than one birdie putt a round.

4. He would start posting lower scores.

5. Minimizing 180 yard forced carries that our golfer has no realistic chance of pulling off.

6. Maybe, just maybe one of the reasons people leave the game is out of frustration. And, one of those frustrations may be he has no realistic chance of posting a decent score from 6100-6200 yard.

Yes, I know a huge part of this game is ego driven, but golf courses could move the tee boxes up, and have the same color makers.

Anyway, I just thought I throw this out there. I know 5400 to 5700 sounds paltry by GolfWRX standards, but what is the purpose of the game? Having fun, enjoying yourself, or walking off the 18th green miserable and pissed off?

Let's be a bit more realistic, let's have a bit more fun, and perhaps more people will enjoy themselves, and fewer people will leave the game.
[/quote]

I drive the ball in the 270's and I stick to 6200-6500 yard tees.

However, I recently played a collegiate course at 6,800 yards and THAT was a challenge. I could hit a drive on longer par 4's and still have 180 or so in. On par 5's I could crush one off the tee and still have 230 in. Good gracious! No thanks. I like playing 6/7 iron and in on second shots. Game is just more enjoyable that way.
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I call BS on this one. You drive it 270. There aren't that many 450 yd par 4s in 6800 yard course. And 230 in on a par 5 after a "crushed" drive? that sounds like how a par 5 is supposed to play. You can go for it in two or layup. Not to mention if you're driving 270, you can hit a 7 about 160.

Something doesn't add up here.
[/quote]


BS eh? According to what? Your expertise?

You do understand this is an NCAA collegiate course, right?

[url="http://www.uncfinley.com/course/scorecard.html"]http://www.uncfinley.../scorecard.html[/url]

Gold tees.

#9 435 yard Par 4
#10 422 yard Par 4
#13 548 yard Par 5
#15 442 yard Par 4
#16 427 yard Par 4
#17 539 yard Par 5

Total tee distance 6,844.

And stop assuming that these holes dont have doglegs. So while I may drive in the 270's, that doesn't mean the 2nd shot = [length of tee] - drive distance. Thats quite silly.
[/quote]

That's a nice course. Only #10 looks to have any kind of forced layup off the tee due to the doglegs. So while, yes, it's not an exact hole length - drive, if you're hitting it 270 I don't see where you are having so much trouble. Unless you consistently hit the furthest side of the fairway and are playing to a deep pin.....

And those par 5s....well you said 230 out after smashing a drive. Hitting your normal drive still covers off half the hole in one shot.

I'm still having a hard time seeing how you don't have 6/7 iron into most of these greens(and some par 4s are designed to have you hit longer irons).

Either 1)you have a seriuosly jacked up driver, 2)you are overestimating how far you hit your drive, or 3)you are a better ballstriker than you are giving yourself credit for. It could very well be #3, your attitude towards AB aside.
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You are not accounting for elevation changes on the fairways or into greens, or the wind on that course. The town is called Chapel [u][b]Hill[/b][/u] for a reason

Yes I hit a 7 iron 160ish. I hit a 4 iron 190ish. I drive on average, in the 270's. I can hit close to, or just over 300 if I swing out of my shoes. If my back is hurting I can hit 250s or 260s comfortably. I dont hit the 3W well at all, which is why its the only fairway wood I carry. I use a 17 deg hybrid given that I launch the ball so high.

As for par 5's. 540 yard par 5, and lets say its a straight shot so - 270 for the drive leaves 270 for the second shot. I dont hit a 3W 270 so Im not reaching it in 2.

If I smash a drive I can hit into the 290's and maybe creep into the low 300's. Im still left with 240 or so out.

[golfortennis]

[quote name='theothertomjones' timestamp='1403621201' post='9565965']
[quote name='ABgolfer2' timestamp='1403620764' post='9565911']
[quote name='theothertomjones' timestamp='1403620492' post='9565871']
[quote name='ABgolfer2' timestamp='1403620275' post='9565849']
Your math is funny and your accusations are misdirected.

RE #4: Take a look in the mirror,
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You were wrong.

You assigned a specific value to an approximation in a scenario you made up out of thin air, then contested my point of fact, only for you to look like a fool when presented with a course you obviously weren't aware of.

Stop trying to blame me for your mistake. Perhaps next time you'll open your mind instead of your mouth before accusing someone else of BS.

Im not the guy you want to get in a battle of wit with.
[/quote]

Maybe you should go back and read that post, including the name of the poster who likely used your numbers (driving 270s and 180 yard approaches). Then after you apologize the mods can clean this thread up.
[/quote]

Look, jackass, lets see EXACTLY what I said:

[quote]
[color=#282828][background=rgb(247, 247, 247)]I drive the ball in the 270's and I stick to 6200-6500 yard tees.[/background][/color]

[color=#282828][background=rgb(247, 247, 247)]However, I recently played a collegiate course at 6,800 yards and THAT was a challenge. [b]I could hit a drive [u]on longer par 4's[/u] and [u]still have 180 [i]or so in[/i][/u][/b].[/quote][/background][/color]

I understand you are from Canada, and your english may be a bit shaky, but "180 or so in" means a little more or a little less.

Given the assumption in your logic that 270 yard drive, + "180 or so in", that would mean you [i]assume[/i] the holes could be + or - 450 yards, which they in fact are, [b]and there are several of them unbeknownst to you.[/b]

You were wrong. Suck it up and move along.
[/quote]

Well you showed us the course, and the card did not show any. So are we to now assume a different course?

You may well have been right about not wanting to get into a battle of wits with you. If you keep moving the goalposts to suit your needs, it would be quite difficult.

[TigerStrong]

Who pays the bills?

[theothertomjones]

[quote name='Bluefan75' timestamp='1403622130' post='9566131']

Well you showed us the course, and the card did not show any. So are we to now assume a different course?

You may well have been right about not wanting to get into a battle of wits with you. If you keep moving the goalposts to suit your needs, it would be quite difficult.
[/quote]


You're looking at the correct course. Your ignorance is your bliss.

[theothertomjones]

[quote name='ABgolfer2' timestamp='1403620764' post='9565911']
[quote name='theothertomjones' timestamp='1403620492' post='9565871']
[quote name='ABgolfer2' timestamp='1403620275' post='9565849']
Your math is funny and your accusations are misdirected.

RE #4: Take a look in the mirror,
[/quote]


You were wrong.

You assigned a specific value to an approximation in a scenario you made up out of thin air, then contested my point of fact, only for you to look like a fool when presented with a course you obviously weren't aware of.

Stop trying to blame me for your mistake. Perhaps next time you'll open your mind instead of your mouth before accusing someone else of BS.

Im not the guy you want to get in a battle of wit with.
[/quote]

Maybe you should go back and read that post, including the name of the poster who likely used your numbers (driving 270s and 180 yard approaches). Then after you apologize the mods can clean this thread up.
[/quote]

Ah, you are correct and I do apologize. Ill clean up my posts to reflect this correction.

[shaffe]

[quote name='Orlandogolfguru' timestamp='1403550014' post='9559639']
i played with some older gents last week, they were playing blues (second from tip), 6500 yards, and were literally driving 150. I am not a long driver, but average 235-240. I was thinking, wow, this is a joke. nice guys though, but i didnt say anything. i know, weak.
[/quote]

So much of the "tee if forward" idea is relative and dependent on the individual being able to understand where they should be playing. I've played with old guys that barely drive it 180 and are deadly with a hybrid or fairway wood and they can score better than me on any 6300-6500 course. While I've played with guys that hit one good 260-270 yard drive in a round and spend the rest of the day in the woods looking for their ball.

... It's all relative and ego driven ... Until we all put our $$$$ in a jar on the shelf, the problem won't get better.

I didn't read every post, I hope that wasn't already said.

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