It just me or are a lot of pros switching to Nippon Iron Shafts?

[Hot Rod 71]

Any modus users convert to dg amt?

 

​I'm inquiring due to distance loss with the modus 125. Latest trackman results show I'm spinning my 7 iron in excess of 8k. Thinking of testing the modus 120 or dg amt to get more optimal spin rates. The KBS tour v brought the spin down to low 7k, but didn't get a chance to try that shaft in current iron heads.

 

I have the 125X in 8-pw irons I put together to test. They spin a lot for me too.

 

Were you on hiatus for a while?

[theadvocate_ivan]

Hi Mark,

 

Another question. Where does the 130 stiff softstepped once falls in? I read again the matrix and the prior one you posted and could not find it. Thanks again!

 

I think 130S ssx1 would fall into this line: 120 X /105 S hsx1 / 125 S hsx1 / 125 X ssx1 / 6.0-6.4 / S300 & S400 / S200 hsx1 / C-taper S+ / KBS Tour X

 

Possibly the KBS Tour X could be ssx1 in this group but honestly IMO the original KBS Tour X was soft, high launch, spinny and somewhat light. I would never call it stiffer than 6.5.

 

 

Thanks again, Mark! You've always been very helpful and valuable source of information about Nippon shafts. Cheers!

[MJisGOAT]

Any modus users convert to dg amt?

 

​I'm inquiring due to distance loss with the modus 125. Latest trackman results show I'm spinning my 7 iron in excess of 8k. Thinking of testing the modus 120 or dg amt to get more optimal spin rates. The KBS tour v brought the spin down to low 7k, but didn't get a chance to try that shaft in current iron heads.

 

I have the 125X in 8-pw irons I put together to test. They spin a lot for me too.

 

Were you on hiatus for a while?

 

Yes, restricted for 60 days. Also unregistered account, but couldn't resist the pool of feedback and knowledge throughout the forums.

[Hot Rod 71]

Any modus users convert to dg amt?

 

​I'm inquiring due to distance loss with the modus 125. Latest trackman results show I'm spinning my 7 iron in excess of 8k. Thinking of testing the modus 120 or dg amt to get more optimal spin rates. The KBS tour v brought the spin down to low 7k, but didn't get a chance to try that shaft in current iron heads.

 

I have the 125X in 8-pw irons I put together to test. They spin a lot for me too.

 

Were you on hiatus for a while?

 

Yes, restricted for 60 days. Also unregistered account, but couldn't resist the pool of feedback and knowledge throughout the forums.

 

Restricted by the mods? Did you unregister or did they?

[MJisGOAT]

Restricted by mods and then I requested to be unregistered.

[GC70]

Restricted by mods and then I requested to be unregistered.

I'm confused! I'm glad your back!

[MJisGOAT]

Restricted by mods and then I requested to be unregistered.

I'm confused! I'm glad your back!

 

Thanks

 

I requested to be unregistered as a defiance to the restriction, but understand that mods were just doing their job. I'll have to learn to be a bit more politically correct.

 

I hit the modus 120 in an mp 64 head and really liked the feel, but don't have numbers or course feedback to verify what I thought I felt. Really curious to hear thoughts between the amt and modus 120.

 

I've kinda already disclaimed the 105 as it's nearly the same profile as the 125. Same with the 130 as I'm an early release.

[stage1350]

Restricted by mods and then I requested to be unregistered.

I'm confused! I'm glad your back!

 

Thanks

 

I requested to be unregistered as a defiance to the restriction, but understand that mods were just doing their job. I'll have to learn to be a bit more politically correct.

 

I hit the modus 120 in an mp 64 head and really liked the feel, but don't have numbers or course feedback to verify what I thought I felt. Really curious to hear thoughts between the amt and modus 120.

 

I've kinda already disclaimed the 105 as it's nearly the same profile as the 125. Same with the 130 as I'm an early release.

 

Be yourself. Accept that someone will occasionally get butt-hurt over the truth and the mods will feel the need to enforce a PC climate. By the time the wounded crawl out of their safe space, you'll be back as well.

 

I wish they would release something besides the 120 in TX flex. The 120 is too weak and the 130 launches too high. I'd love to see a 125 TX or a re-release of some of their protos in a TX, like C10.

[nitram]

Just for the record, SPB's make excellent wedge shafts.

[MJisGOAT]

Restricted by mods and then I requested to be unregistered.

I'm confused! I'm glad your back!

 

Thanks

 

I requested to be unregistered as a defiance to the restriction, but understand that mods were just doing their job. I'll have to learn to be a bit more politically correct.

 

I hit the modus 120 in an mp 64 head and really liked the feel, but don't have numbers or course feedback to verify what I thought I felt. Really curious to hear thoughts between the amt and modus 120.

 

I've kinda already disclaimed the 105 as it's nearly the same profile as the 125. Same with the 130 as I'm an early release.

 

Be yourself. Accept that someone will occasionally get butt-hurt over the truth and the mods will feel the need to enforce a PC climate. By the time the wounded crawl out of their safe space, you'll be back as well.

 

I wish they would release something besides the 120 in TX flex. The 120 is too weak and the 130 launches too high. I'd love to see a 125 TX or a re-release of some of their protos in a TX, like C10.

 

Well said!

 

Just for the record, SPB's make excellent wedge shafts.

 

Indeed they do; a softer s400!

[BearQ]

Just for the record, SPB's make excellent wedge shafts.

 

on the search for them, can ya direct me anywhere? Also, did you find any issues with the X for chipping/pitching shots? Lastly, did you use a P or 9i shaft?

 

I might be better served matching my wedges this time around. I love the 610 S+, but its rebar on touch shots, I haven't been able to adjust well.

[npham]

Looking to pick up a set of 125X's. Just wondering where is everyone buying them from in Canada? Or just waiting for a deal to come up on eBay, classifieds, Kijiji?

 

Alternatively, where are people picking up shafts from stateside?

[MJisGOAT]

Looking to pick up a set of 125X's. Just wondering where is everyone buying them from in Canada? Or just waiting for a deal to come up on eBay, classifieds, Kijiji?

 

Alternatively, where are people picking up shafts from stateside?

 

http://www.golfworks.com/nippon-ns-pro-modus3-tour-shafts/c/10426/

[nitram]

Just for the record, SPB's make excellent wedge shafts.

 

on the search for them, can ya direct me anywhere? Also, did you find any issues with the X for chipping/pitching shots? Lastly, did you use a P or 9i shaft?

 

I might be better served matching my wedges this time around. I love the 610 S+, but its rebar on touch shots, I haven't been able to adjust well.

I used 8-iron shafts and went through a club builder to get them. No chip/pitch issues, at all.

[markheardjr]

KBS Tour X are 7.0.

 

Go home, you're drunk. KBS Tours are NO WHERE NEAR 7.0. More like 6.0. Wet noodle spinny crap. And the list is based on my personal experience using these shafts. Mostly the S and X models, and then extrapolating. Main takeaways is 120X is softer feeling than most X and C Taper S+ feels stiffer than most S.

 

Easy there big fella. I wasn't pissing in your corn flakes, I'm just relaying what I read in this table put together by Howard Jones. You can find the sticky thread here http://www.golfwrx.c...d-shaft-chart/.

 

 

KBS Tour X is 0.1 lower than KBS C-Taper X soft stepped? KBS Tour is soft to flex and C-Taper stiff to flex. He has DGS300 softer than PX5.0?? That is a little tough to swallow.

 

I think this chart is misleading because it is static data. Probably butt clamped CPM comparisons. (DG has a softer butt section and will butt clamp CPM lower than a stiff butt shaft like KBS.) He does list the weight which hints that the data isn't a total story. It doesn't take into account the golfer and the feeling of the weight and profile. DG is 10g heavier than KBS Tour. To a player, DG will feel stiffer because of all the extra weight. KBS tour will feel lighter and softer. My chart is based on my own playing experience. So it is talking about my thoughts on feel and trying to quantify all of it. The flex, feel and weight all into one and ultimately the overall performance.

[NRJyzr]

KBS Tour X are 7.0.

 

Go home, you're drunk. KBS Tours are NO WHERE NEAR 7.0. More like 6.0. Wet noodle spinny crap. And the list is based on my personal experience using these shafts. Mostly the S and X models, and then extrapolating. Main takeaways is 120X is softer feeling than most X and C Taper S+ feels stiffer than most S.

 

Easy there big fella. I wasn't pissing in your corn flakes, I'm just relaying what I read in this table put together by Howard Jones. You can find the sticky thread here http://www.golfwrx.c...d-shaft-chart/.

 

 

KBS Tour X is 0.1 lower than KBS C-Taper X soft stepped? KBS Tour is soft to flex and C-Taper stiff to flex. He has DGS300 softer than PX5.0?? That is a little tough to swallow.

 

I think this chart is misleading because it is static data. Probably butt clamped CPM comparisons. (DG has a softer butt section and will butt clamp CPM lower than a stiff butt shaft like KBS.) He does list the weight which hints that the data isn't a total story. It doesn't take into account the golfer and the feeling of the weight and profile. DG is 10g heavier than KBS Tour. To a player, DG will feel stiffer because of all the extra weight. KBS tour will feel lighter and softer. My chart is based on my own playing experience. So it is talking about my thoughts on feel and trying to quantify all of it. The flex, feel and weight all into one and ultimately the overall performance.

 

 

Yes, I think he (Howard) states in that thread the chart is only butt frequency. But, some folks take it as gospel.

 

Not unlike the old days of Rifle vs DG, when folks thought 6.0 Rifle was stiffer than DGS because the butt frequency was slightly higher, not accounting for the softer tip and even mid section. :)

[MBBG]

One note I'll make is that I had SPB in wedges and hated them. Maybe I couldn't load them, touch shots just felt dead and follow. Was getting quick and topping pitch and chip shots to boot.

 

Have played 125 all year and love them. They might be similar in profile, but to me, there's a tangible difference in feel.

[markheardjr]

One note I'll make is that I had SPB in wedges and hated them. Maybe I couldn't load them, touch shots just felt dead and follow. Was getting quick and topping pitch and chip shots to boot.

 

Have played 125 all year and love them. They might be similar in profile, but to me, there's a tangible difference in feel.

SPB and the original WV wedges were like that. Kind of dead and hollow feeling. If you had the power, the SPB X could hang with anyone and still give you a nice low trajectory and keep spin down. But if you couldn't load them, they just felt muted and bulky. SPB S or SPO may have been a better option but SPO was pretty rare here in the U.S. and SPB was usually X if you saw it at all. SPB had the cult following of the beasts out there.

 

125 and the new Modus WV Wedge have a little more kick to them in the lower/mid section and liven up that feeling. I love the 125X in a wedge. I don't personally care for the new Modus wedge shaft, but to each their own. To me it is just too light feeling and a touch too much spin. I don't just spam out I love every Nippon shaft. Obviously some don't work for everyone. 120 and I are not on speaking terms. And that is ok. I don't want everyone to try 125 just because I like it and I write about it a lot. It fits some, but not all. The main thing is to try to find out the 1 or 2 that could fit you. 125 is the same profile as SPB but 5g lighter. I tend to think that those 5g all came from the middle and the "dip" in the EI chart might be greater. And that translates to feel way more than 5g might suggest.

[MBBG]

Thanks mark. Yeah I had a set of onoff Kuro irons with SPO and despised those as well. And that's coming from someone who is as big an ONOFF homer as there is. That's how bad the SPO fit me for some reason.

 

My theory is that there's something in the peening process itself that attributes to this feel completely separately from profile and weight but I could be wrong. The 125 and 125 Wedge specific shaft to me are light years different than their super peening counterparts, although it could just be that I'm right on the cutoff line of being able to properly load the SP line of shafts. Then again, I'd take C Taper 130 over SPO Stiff 100 times out of 100.

[Rogtsaamokin66]

Great info Mark. I'm debating on a set on Bstone CB with 120, the stiff feel a little soft , whippet , compared to my current DG pro stiff but want to really give them a try, I have them in my wedges and love them. My worry is going to Stiff so I'm contemplating a 120 X soft stopped, looking for low spin a little flatter trajectory, because I am a high ball hitter already so I would like the flight the ball down a little bit. What's your opinion on that compared to the DG pros?

[jj9000]

Great info Mark. I'm debating on a set on Bstone CB with 120, the stiff feel a little soft , whippet , compared to my current DG pro stiff but want to really give them a try, I have them in my wedges and love them. My worry is going to Stiff so I'm contemplating a 120 X soft stopped, looking for low spin a little flatter trajectory, because I am a high ball hitter already so I would like the flight the ball down a little bit. What's your opinion on that compared to the DG pros?

 

I'll give you a firsthand opinion of Modus 120 Stiff and 120X vs. DG Pro S300

 

I've tried 120 Stiff in several sets of iron heads, and ironically, every time I've done so, I got a terrible case of the sh**ks. I think the butt softness of the 120 Stiff, coupled with my late release, just isn't a good fit with the 120 Stiff.

 

However, I will say that the 120 Stiff are some of the best feeling shafts, right up until I hit the ball on the hosel.

 

I put 120X in my AP2 714s and they were decent shafts. Definitely not too stiff, and still maintained a bit of the 120 Stiff feel. However, they flew about 1/2 to a full club shorter than the same heads with DG Pro S300s...especially in the long irons.

 

For me...the DG Pro S300 just flat out perform...both in the stiffer lower irons...as well as the softer longer irons.

[longleft]

This is a pretty good video, for those of you who have not seen it yet. The US distributor spends some time explaining the modus series starting with the 120. I think his thoughts on the 120 being lighter in weight/swings fast, but feels heavy is spot on for the design. I play 120x and I have not found another shaft that feels as good or performs better.

 

[MJisGOAT]

This is a pretty good video, for those of you who have not seen it yet. The US distributor spends some time explaining the modus series starting with the 120. I think his thoughts on the 120 being lighter in weight/swings fast, but feels heavy is spot on for the design. I play 120x and I have not found another shaft that feels as good or performs better.

 

 

"Old school heavy, new school light"

[markheardjr]

Great info Mark. I'm debating on a set on Bstone CB with 120, the stiff feel a little soft , whippet , compared to my current DG pro stiff but want to really give them a try, I have them in my wedges and love them. My worry is going to Stiff so I'm contemplating a 120 X soft stopped, looking for low spin a little flatter trajectory, because I am a high ball hitter already so I would like the flight the ball down a little bit. What's your opinion on that compared to the DG pros?

 

I'll give you a firsthand opinion of Modus 120 Stiff and 120X vs. DG Pro S300

 

I've tried 120 Stiff in several sets of iron heads, and ironically, every time I've done so, I got a terrible case of the sh**ks. I think the butt softness of the 120 Stiff, coupled with my late release, just isn't a good fit with the 120 Stiff.

 

However, I will say that the 120 Stiff are some of the best feeling shafts, right up until I hit the ball on the hosel.

 

I put 120X in my AP2 714s and they were decent shafts. Definitely not too stiff, and still maintained a bit of the 120 Stiff feel. However, they flew about 1/2 to a full club shorter than the same heads with DG Pro S300s...especially in the long irons.

 

For me...the DG Pro S300 just flat out perform...both in the stiffer lower irons...as well as the softer longer irons.

Yup, 120 is no bueno for late release. If you're late release, you need 125 for lower flight, touch higher spin or Tour130 for higher flight touch lower spin. But again, it isn't always about distance. If it feels good and it is repetitive and accurate, then maybe its a loft tweak. Or check your swingweights.

[MJisGOAT]

Mark,

 

Do you have any experience with the new awt 2.0 shafts?

[markheardjr]

Mark,

 

Do you have any experience with the new awt 2.0 shafts?

Other than a waggle no. Nippon makes them exclusively for Ping. Just read a few reviews around here. Pretty close to 105 performance from what I can tell. AWT is ascending weights so long irons are lighter and higher, short irons are lower and heavier. Depends if you need that or not really.

[Golf4lifer]

Mark,

 

I used the 105X HS1 for most of the summer, but found I was ballooning them and losing shots to the left. I moved to the KBS Tour V 120x's, great shafts, but miss the feel of the Nippon's. Would you suggest the 125X's straight in or hard stepped. My 7 swing speed is around 96mph.

[mizunoMP14]

I also have that question. How much softer is the 105 vs 125 or dynamic gold. The ei profile on the Nippon site shows it's much softer

[markheardjr]

I also have that question. How much softer is the 105 vs 125 or dynamic gold. The ei profile on the Nippon site shows it's much softer

 

IMO 105 is like ~1/3 flex softer and 125 is ~1/4 flex softer. IMO 125 harstepped is equal to X100. The 105 is so light it feels soft, less resistance and you are swinging it faster due to the lower weight. Or at least I did. Depends on golfer I suppose. But the 105X was fine for me flexwise. Just too light for me. I think it's a happy medium. I've played shafts that were too stiff for how light they are. Like RIP X graphite iron shafts and PXi 6.5, etc. Both are just a different feel with the more mid-kick than the DG which is butt-kick.

[markheardjr]

Mark,

 

I used the 105X HS1 for most of the summer, but found I was ballooning them and losing shots to the left. I moved to the KBS Tour V 120x's, great shafts, but miss the feel of the Nippon's. Would you suggest the 125X's straight in or hard stepped. My 7 swing speed is around 96mph.

 

I'd say go 130. For 125 probably straight in. Don't think hard-stepping would hurt you though. It is more about feel at that point than numbers. I mean, super super minor tweaks with hardstepping steel shafts. And it depends on the golfer if it's more or less launch/spin.