It just me or are a lot of pros switching to Nippon Iron Shafts?

[DNice26]

Btw, i never mentioned that the iblades are brand new to me. I had only played one round with them prior to putting the modus 125X in them. So alot of my experience could be related to the head itself.

[TyY89]

 

Are your Apex Pro's .370 Parallel?

 

.355 taper

[MJisGOAT]

Are your Apex Pro's .370 Parallel?

 

.355 taper

 

Do you know if they make them in a .370 parallel?

[TyY89]

Are your Apex Pro's .370 Parallel?

 

.355 taper

 

Do you know if they make them in a .370 parallel?

 

Don't think so. But I know Callaway offers them as a custom shaft in the regular Apex CF16 as well, which are .370 hosels. I assume they use a shim.

[Mike_C]

So I've been gaming the 120X in my Apex Pro's for 3 months now and the jury is still out. Went with X b/c of the very soft butt (always played Stiff previously - KBS Tour last year; PX 6.0 before that). I'm an assistant pro and I like to work the ball, but I have a hard time getting these to cut. The miss starts left and draws. Strangely, dispersion is better in the long irons than the short irons. I have a forceful transition, and feel like I might be over-loading them when I swing all out (6 iron swing speed is 88, mid release, quick tempo). As has been reiterated by multiple people throughout this thread, my mishits creep heelward; scarily close to the hosel. Yesterday I had some time to kill at the range, so I tested lie angles on the PW, 8 iron, and 6 iron using both a lie board and a sharpie line (separately). I do all of the club fittings at the club, but I am pretty baffled by the results. I started with the 8 iron, and it was apparent that the heel was catching the board first (indicating they are too upright - which is what I suspected given the ball flight I've been fighting). However, the sharpie line was angled slightly up towards the heel (indicating the lie is too flat!?) With the miss currently being a pull, the last thing I want to do is make them more upright. I then moved to the PW, where contact with the board was more square, but sharpie lines were again angled slightly toward the heel. The 6 iron had by far the most neutral results, with sole grounding out dead center, and sharpie lines pointed straight up and down. Obviously no alteration is needed there, but I am trying to figure out what to do with the short/mid irons (set is currently standard/standard). Any insight/advice/recommendations would be much appreciated. I've attached a picture of the test results.

 

I've wondered about the stiff tip in the 120s and how it impacts toe droop. Does the stiff tip reduce it? If so, this could lead to pulls all else equal for someone's swing. I did order my Srixon's 1 degree flat, partly due to them coming 1/2 degree more upright vs what I was playing.

[DNice26]

Ok, so eating crow. Second round in with the modus 125X and shot one under. 4 under for two rounds is a personal best, so i'm thinking the modus will remain in the bag for the foreseeable future. Hit some awesome shots today (was 3 under through 5). When i give the shafts the business, the ball flights are a bit high but my distances have been spot on.

[MJisGOAT]

Ok, so eating crow. Second round in with the modus 125X and shot one under. 4 under for two rounds is a personal best, so i'm thinking the modus will remain in the bag for the foreseeable future. Hit some awesome shots today (was 3 under through 5). When i give the shafts the business, the ball flights are a bit high but my distances have been spot on.

 

Got me thinking about reinstalling my 125s.

 

Got some Apex pro heads that I'm thinking of going with either Fuji pro, 125/130, $taper or some i95 pulls.

[MJisGOAT]

I know this has been discussed numerous times within this thread, but wouldn't the modus 130 be a direct comparison to the kbs tour?

 

Especially considering the soft tip and counterbalanced characteristics. There just seems to be a misconception of which shafts parallel other OEM shafts.

[DNice26]

I have not tried KBS tours in a long time, but from recollection...i would not compare them to the modus 130 shafts. Just me maybe...

[RobDMB]

I know this has been discussed numerous times within this thread, but wouldn't the modus 130 be a direct comparison to the kbs tour?

 

Especially considering the soft tip and counterbalanced characteristics. There just seems to be a misconception of which shafts parallel other OEM shafts.

 

I have heard the Modus 125 compared to KBS Tours but lower spin/launch.

[DNice26]

I know this has been discussed numerous times within this thread, but wouldn't the modus 130 be a direct comparison to the kbs tour?

 

Especially considering the soft tip and counterbalanced characteristics. There just seems to be a misconception of which shafts parallel other OEM shafts.

 

I have heard the Modus 125 compared to KBS Tours but lower spin/launch.

From my experience thus far, i would say that sounds spot on.

[soundedgoodtho]

How does the 130x compared to the 125x? I played the 125x for a while and enjoyed the feel and control of it. I have a pretty quick transition and want to get a lower flight with similar spin characteristics. Thanks modus gurus.

[dpb5031]

I'm about 3 months in with my i200s with Modus 105 X. My previous set which I really love are S55s with Recoil 110s. I live in NJ but also keep a set in FL, so I sent the S55s South to replace my old i3 blades.

 

The 105s seem to be ideal for me. I really like how responsive they are on 1/2 and 3/4 swings, yet they're super stable on very hard and aggressive swings. The feel is excellent and I can flight the ball down without a problem. Not sure if its the shaft or the slightly stronger lofts of the i200 vs. S55s, but I've gained a bit more than half a club in distance without a discernable change in trajectory.

 

I started the season as a 4.2 index partly due to some injuries, but now I'm down to a 1.4 and dropping, my 2 most recent tournament scores being 69 & 68. These shafts are easy to swing, feel great, and have the performance to match.

[NRJyzr]

How does the 130x compared to the 125x? I played the 125x for a while and enjoyed the feel and control of it. I have a pretty quick transition and want to get a lower flight with similar spin characteristics. Thanks modus gurus.

 

I don't think the 130 will give you what you're looking for. It's a higher launch shaft. It also plays pretty stiff, you may need to drop down to stiff from the 125x (emphasis on "may") if you decide to try it.

 

I built myself a demo with the 130 in an 8 iron and almost immediately dismissed it as an option. Entirely too high trajectory, cartoonish, even.

[soundedgoodtho]

How does the 130x compared to the 125x? I played the 125x for a while and enjoyed the feel and control of it. I have a pretty quick transition and want to get a lower flight with similar spin characteristics. Thanks modus gurus.

 

I don't think the 130 will give you what you're looking for. It's a higher launch shaft. It also plays pretty stiff, you may need to drop down to stiff from the 125x (emphasis on "may") if you decide to try it.

 

I built myself a demo with the 130 in an 8 iron and almost immediately dismissed it as an option. Entirely too high trajectory, cartoonish, even.

 

 

Thanks for the reply. I'm only able to hit the 125s/105x/105s at the srixon demo cart at the moment so I was curious. Which model do you think would be most ideal? As I mentioned, I have a quick tempo/aggressive transition and looking to get rid of my balloon shots. (92-94 ss with a 6 iron)

[fujiman.757]

120 tx ^^^^

[NRJyzr]

In the Nippon world, I think fuji's 120tx suggestion would be the best choice. Such as it seems to me anyway.

 

edited to add: The only possibility that comes to mind would possibly be the Super Peening Blue. It's a bit heavier than any of the Modus line, which could help with the fast tempo and transition. The EI profile of the 125 is said to be nearly identical to the SPB, I don't know if anyone has compared performance directly to see if they line up as the shaft profiles do.

 

The problem with SPB, they're getting harder to find. Have heard reports of them being discontinued, but have also heard that refuted.

[Spoon]

after trying some nippons its hard to want to go back to anything else.

in the past there offerings weren't diverse enough to answer the needs of the golfer

wanting a lower penetrating ball flight. now there menu has expanded there is something

for every golfer.

 

on the feel aspect alone nspro blows everyone out of the water.

[Mr. Grumpy]

I am currently playing PX 6.0 flighted ssx1, new clubs I want don't offer this shaft. Which Nippon would be similar? I like the sturdy feel of the PX but growing tired of the boardy feel..

[DNice26]

I've now tried the 120, 130 and 125 modus. To be honest, I'm not quite sure how these shafts can be compared to others, as they are kinda unique in and of themselves. Here is what I've found, albeit with fairly limited experience:

 

120X: Played 9 holes with this shaft and all I recall is that the tips felt quite stiff and the release down through the ball was a bit odd for me. Ball flight was fairly high, but flat and I seemed to block the ball right a fair amount. Not a lot more experience beyond my 9 holes.

 

130S: VERY heavy in your hands and oddly boardy throughout the swing except for right through the impact zone. I found these shafts to be insanely smooth through the impact zone, but the complete opposite outside of the impact zone. Ball flight was fine for me in terms of height and appearance, but I think I was overspinning them and lost a fair amount of distance over my Ctapers. These shafts don't like when you release early and I found them challenging to hit "shots" with. I also had these in my wedges and they are EXTREMELY WEIRD in wedges. I found them to be literally too soft when hitting pitches/chips and I could hardly feel the ball come off the face (have them in TM MG wedges). Also, the counterbalancing of the shafts made timing very difficult for me. I only hit them well in my wedges when I setup for a small fade. If I tried turning them over, my timing was very off.

 

125X: As other have described, this one is in the middle. I guess they are comparable to DG shafts, but with a higher ball flight. Distance doesn't appear to suffer for me though. I have the X, soft stepped once and they are not nearly as smooth through the hitting zone as the 130s (in my opinion). They seem to react well to slow and hard swings though, which I really enjoy. Pitching and chipping is also much improved for me compared to the 130 shafts. I can feel the ball hit the face of the club and I think they go nicely in the wedges.

 

Just my quick thoughts...

 

I'm not sure how any of these could be compared to PX shafts, but I would guess the 125 would be the way to go maybe? Dunno....

[Mr. Grumpy]

Amazing info! Thanks for putting that together.

[Mr. Grumpy]

Sadly, Cobra does not list the 125x as an option..

[DNice26]

Amazing info! Thanks for putting that together.

Have you checked out the Ctapers? They are very similar to PX only with a bit smoother feel....according to my own experience. Ymmv i suppose.

[Mr. Grumpy]

Amazing info! Thanks for putting that together.

Have you checked out the Ctapers? They are very similar to PX only with a bit smoother feel....according to my own experience. Ymmv i suppose.

 

I have not... Will do..

[Fade to Black]

Would the 130X bring ball flight down relative to X100?

[soundedgoodtho]

120 tx ^^^^

In the Nippon world, I think fuji's 120tx suggestion would be the best choice. Such as it seems to me anyway.

 

edited to add: The only possibility that comes to mind would possibly be the Super Peening Blue. It's a bit heavier than any of the Modus line, which could help with the fast tempo and transition. The EI profile of the 125 is said to be nearly identical to the SPB, I don't know if anyone has compared performance directly to see if they line up as the shaft profiles do.

 

The problem with SPB, they're getting harder to find. Have heard reports of them being discontinued, but have also heard that refuted.

 

Thank you guys. The SPB is an interesting idea but I'm hesitant to buy before trying . I hit the 105X, 120S, 125S, 130S on a demo Srixon z965 6 iron head today.

 

SS was between 94-100 mph, launch 18-21*, peak height at 40-45 yards.

 

 

I loved the lighter weight and balance of 105x/120s but hit them at more than 45 yards apex. I realize this is my swing mostly but I don't know if the 120TX will bring down the height to a reasonable range. The 125s and 130s were both much lower in height. The 125s spun less and launched a bit higher at around 20* whereas the 130S launched lower at 18-19* and spun couple hundred RPM's more. (They both peaked at 42 yards exactly) The 125 certainly felt better, although not as smooth as the 120. However, I did not feel comfortable the heavier swing weight and balance point in my hands after swinging 100+ mph with the lighter shafts.

 

Even after the demo session, I'm lost. I could blindly order the 120 in TX, hoping that it will be much lower in apex/traj compared to the Stiff ...Or I could go with the 125X route which I felt that I had to slow down and couldn't put my normal tempo swing on it. It looks like I will have to do some more research.

[DNice26]

120 tx ^^^^

In the Nippon world, I think fuji's 120tx suggestion would be the best choice. Such as it seems to me anyway.

 

edited to add: The only possibility that comes to mind would possibly be the Super Peening Blue. It's a bit heavier than any of the Modus line, which could help with the fast tempo and transition. The EI profile of the 125 is said to be nearly identical to the SPB, I don't know if anyone has compared performance directly to see if they line up as the shaft profiles do.

 

The problem with SPB, they're getting harder to find. Have heard reports of them being discontinued, but have also heard that refuted.

 

Thank you guys. The SPB is an interesting idea but I'm hesitant to buy before trying . I hit the 105X, 120S, 125S, 130S on a demo Srixon z965 6 iron head today.

 

SS was between 94-100 mph, launch 18-21*, peak height at 40-45 yards.

 

 

I loved the lighter weight and balance of 105x/120s but hit them at more than 45 yards apex. I realize this is my swing mostly but I don't know if the 120TX will bring down the height to a reasonable range. The 125s and 130s were both much lower in height. The 125s spun less and launched a bit higher at around 20* whereas the 130S launched lower at 18-19* and spun couple hundred RPM's more. (They both peaked at 42 yards exactly) The 125 certainly felt better, although not as smooth as the 120. However, I did not feel comfortable the heavier swing weight and balance point in my hands after swinging 100+ mph with the lighter shafts.

 

Even after the demo session, I'm lost. I could blindly order the 120 in TX, hoping that it will be much lower in apex/traj compared to the Stiff ...Or I could go with the 125X route which I felt that I had to slow down and couldn't put my normal tempo swing on it. It looks like I will have to do some more research.

Do more research. I would highly recommend you try them all multiple time before buying. Also, see if there is a way to hit say a PW in them, so you can see how a shorter iron feels and flights. You may find that it helps make your decision much more clear.

[DNice26]

Would the 130X bring ball flight down relative to X100?

Prob not. My guess is X100 would flight lower. Everyone has a bit different swing though, so hard to say what your results would be.

[Galanga]

Little help on shaft and flex on the Modus 3. I have done well with PX5.5 and S400 (little heavy) and love the DI, Blueboard and NV in wood shafts. S300 I hit too high, poor dispersion and a lot of spin. X100 is about right traj wise, dispersion good, but I don't load them and are a touch heavy (same for PX 6.0 except the weight bit)

 

I play my irons 3/4" over Titleist MB standard lengths.

 

Based on what I have read, I am assuming 120 stiff, straight in, would work, but wonder if playing them over length by 3/4" would suggest a stiffer flex.

 

Any ideas?

[NRJyzr]

Little help on shaft and flex on the Modus 3. I have done well with PX5.5 and S400 (little heavy) and love the DI, Blueboard and NV in wood shafts. S300 I hit too high, poor dispersion and a lot of spin. X100 is about right traj wise, dispersion good, but I don't load them and are a touch heavy (same for PX 6.0 except the weight bit)

 

I play my irons 3/4" over Titleist MB standard lengths.

 

Based on what I have read, I am assuming 120 stiff, straight in, would work, but wonder if playing them over length by 3/4" would suggest a stiffer flex.

 

Any ideas?

 

If you're using DGS already, 120X would be the way to go. The 120 feels, and maybe plays, softer than the same flex DG shaft.

 

Going overlength will not soften the shaft.