It just me or are a lot of pros switching to Nippon Iron Shafts?

[markheardjr]

Are the Nippon NS Pro 1150GH Tour akin, in terms of bend profile and/or playing charateristics, to any of the Pro Modus offerings? Or are they a different animal to any of them?

1150 are kind of a unique shaft from the older models, and I think they do align closer to the modus lines. To me, they are a bit like a softer 125. Stiffer butt, softer mid, stiff-ish tip. Launches a little higher than 125 and spins a little more IMO. it is made for a aggressive swing type. I'd place it as a cross between a 120 and a 125 but higher launch than both and similar spin to maybe a 120 which is a tad higher than 125 IMO.

 

http://www.nipponshaft.co.jp/english/steel/1050.htm

 

The steel shaft for advanced golfers looking for a premium irons shaft with a stout impact feeling. Steel shafts for irons

Distributes weight in both shaft tip and grip. A lightweight steel shaft only for solid, consistent swings.

"Lightweight shafts are OK, but I want something a little more firm. On the other hand, regular weights are too heavy and stiff." If that's the kind of golfer you are, then we have the ideal shaft for you － one of the latest additions to our exclusive the N.S.PRO GH lineup. It's a top-of-the-line model that has received top marks from professionals on the Japan Professional Golf Tour.

Two-weight-point design with optimized wall thickness.

The N.S.PRO 1150GH TOUR highlights precision weight balance and precision-adjusted wall thickness. The two-weight-point design not only adds thickness to the shaft tip and grip, but it increases tip and grip stiffness. This technology makes the shaft lighter while providing a more solid feel and greater operability.

 

The shaft for advanced golfers with the spec sheet that says“pro”.

The N.S.PRO 1150GH TOUR gives a more comfortable swing and better control than any shaft in its class. It will result in faster head speeds, making it easier to find the tempo that's just right for you. A sure response and convincing, resilient feel can be yours, with specs tailored for advanced golfers.

[jay65]

Are the Nippon NS Pro 1150GH Tour akin, in terms of bend profile and/or playing charateristics, to any of the Pro Modus offerings? Or are they a different animal to any of them?

1150 are kind of a unique shaft from the older models, and I think they do align closer to the modus lines. To me, they are a bit like a softer 125. Stiffer butt, softer mid, stiff-ish tip. Launches a little higher than 125 and spins a little more IMO. it is made for a aggressive swing type. I'd place it as a cross between a 120 and a 125 but higher launch than both and similar spin to maybe a 120 which is a tad higher than 125 IMO.

 

http://www.nipponsha.../steel/1050.htm

 

The steel shaft for advanced golfers looking for a premium irons shaft with a stout impact feeling. Steel shafts for irons

Distributes weight in both shaft tip and grip. A lightweight steel shaft only for solid, consistent swings.

"Lightweight shafts are OK, but I want something a little more firm. On the other hand, regular weights are too heavy and stiff." If that's the kind of golfer you are, then we have the ideal shaft for you － one of the latest additions to our exclusive the N.S.PRO GH lineup. It's a top-of-the-line model that has received top marks from professionals on the Japan Professional Golf Tour.

Two-weight-point design with optimized wall thickness.

The N.S.PRO 1150GH TOUR highlights precision weight balance and precision-adjusted wall thickness. The two-weight-point design not only adds thickness to the shaft tip and grip, but it increases tip and grip stiffness. This technology makes the shaft lighter while providing a more solid feel and greater operability.

 

The shaft for advanced golfers with the spec sheet that says“pro”.

The N.S.PRO 1150GH TOUR gives a more comfortable swing and better control than any shaft in its class. It will result in faster head speeds, making it easier to find the tempo that's just right for you. A sure response and convincing, resilient feel can be yours, with specs tailored for advanced golfers.

 

 

Thanks Mark, got it!

[3_Putt_Par]

According to Precision Golf's Tweet, looks like the ST Proto is coming to market soon...


[url="https://twitter.com/NipponShaft"][s]@[/s][b]NipponShaft[/b][/url] have a new shaft coming soon and with 8 Tour wins already it's set to be a gamer changer!



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Will it beat the Modus3 System3 125 to the US market, or will they release both at the same time?

[Hot Rod 71]

You can buy a new set of ST Protos for only $450 here - http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nippon-Prototype-ST-3-W-Golf-Shaft-Set-/291468254321?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item43dcdc9c71

[t4t3r]

Can't wait for the STs to hit. Been wanting to install a set of 120s but may just wait for the ST.

[jay65]

Interesting that Golfshaftreviews say that the ST is a very similar bend profile to the Nippon 1050gh.

[Bamicus]

The 125's in the Srixon 745 head is the real deal. Hit some laser like irons today.

[Bamicus]

Oh and once again, thank you, thank you, thank you MARK!! You're the real deal!!

[AWE46M3]

TONS of good info in this thread, but my goodness it's not easy to digest it all.

I've been playing PX 5.5 for the past couple years, DG S300 prior to that. I prefer the DG feel, however, the performance of the PX is just better for me. When I did the Mizuno shaft optimizer a couple years ago, I was around 88 mph and had smooth tempo/transition and average release IIRC.

I've seen 130 R HS recommended, but what about a 130 S SSx2? Would that still be way stiffer than the 5.5? My concern with HS is what I may lose some height and spin.

[markheardjr]

[quote name='AWE46M3' timestamp='1432953295' post='11653898']
TONS of good info in this thread, but my goodness it's not easy to digest it all.

I've been playing PX 5.5 for the past couple years, DG S300 prior to that. I prefer the DG feel, however, the performance of the PX is just better for me. When I did the Mizuno shaft optimizer a couple years ago, I was around 88 mph and had smooth tempo/transition and average release IIRC.

I've seen 130 R HS recommended, but what about a 130 S SSx2? Would that still be way stiffer than the 5.5? My concern with HS is what I may lose some height and spin.
[/quote]
Hard/soft stepping changes bendpoint and in most shafts that can really change flight characteristics. However, I feel with the very stiff butt/mid sections of the 130 you aren't going to change the bendpoint as much as you would in a softer butt/mid shaft. The 130 is softest in the tip and the hard/soft stepping isn't really going to change tip flex that much. Hard/Soft stepping a 130 is more about feel preference. However, soft-stepping a stiffer S profile should produce a lower flight and spin than hard-stepping a softer REG shaft. In the 130's I wouldn't worry as much about it. 120's it could be a big difference.But I am by no means an expert on the hard-soft stepping debate. For me, stepping is a means to fine tune feel, not change ballflight. Ballflight changes will be negligible.

[swizbeatz]

Mark, any opinions on higher launch/spin than super peening oranges?

[markheardjr]

[quote name='swizbeatz' timestamp='1433180574' post='11667470']
Mark, any opinions on higher launch/spin than super peening oranges?
[/quote]
Nippon told me the 125 is slightly higher launch & spin than the ORA. ST Proto, 2F15 are for sure higher. The older line, including 1050. I think the 130s are higher launch but similar spin. ORA is one of the lower options so most of their other shafts are going to be higher. Only shafts lower are maybe the SPB, C10, 2S14 and a few other less common protos.

[paul1406]

Received the Nippon Prototype 2T15 X shafts today. Their uncut weight appears to be 110 grams. It will be interesting to see the flight, should be installed and ready to play this weekend. I didn't expect them to be this light.

[webber]

Golfshaftreviews.info just put up some info on the Super Peening Blue and Orange. Says the Blue and new Modus 125 are almost identical shafts other than a weight diff of 5 grams

[markheardjr]

[quote name='paul1406' timestamp='1433389626' post='11686506']
Received the Nippon Prototype 2T15 X shafts today. Their uncut weight appears to be 110 grams. It will be interesting to see the flight, should be installed and ready to play this weekend. I didn't expect them to be this light.
[/quote]
Wow! I did not expect it to be that light at all. I was told it was a lighter 2S14 profile. Rep said lower flight & spin, so if it is at that weight I'd be very interested in hearing your results.

[markheardjr]

[quote name='webber' timestamp='1433436182' post='11689382']
Golfshaftreviews.info just put up some info on the Super Peening Blue and Orange. Says the Blue and new Modus 125 are almost identical shafts other than a weight diff of 5 grams
[/quote]
I saw that. Boy does the 125 feel so much smoother than SPB IMO. The chart does show just a touch softer butt & tip but I think the weighting is engineered much better. It does remind me more of a SPO but I guess it is SPO weight and SPB profile. Either way, it's a win and everyone who's looking for a new tour-weight shaft needs to try it out!

[jming]

[quote name='markheardjr' timestamp='1433438278' post='11689608'][quote name='webber' timestamp='1433436182' post='11689382']
Golfshaftreviews.info just put up some info on the Super Peening Blue and Orange. Says the Blue and new Modus 125 are almost identical shafts other than a weight diff of 5 grams
[/quote]
I saw that. Boy does the 125 feel so much smoother than SPB IMO. The chart does show just a touch softer butt & tip but I think the weighting is engineered much better. It does remind me more of a SPO but I guess it is SPO weight and SPB profile. Either way, it's a win and everyone who's looking for a new tour-weight shaft needs to try it out![/quote]

I don't know what is meant by "identical shafts" but IMO they do not feel the same. I hit the spb again yesterday in a friends set and to me the balance is in the hands and tip. It's definitely much different than other shafts.

[jonn443]

[quote name='markheardjr' timestamp='1433438278' post='11689608']
[quote name='webber' timestamp='1433436182' post='11689382']
Golfshaftreviews.info just put up some info on the Super Peening Blue and Orange. Says the Blue and new Modus 125 are almost identical shafts other than a weight diff of 5 grams
[/quote]
I saw that. Boy does the 125 feel so much smoother than SPB IMO. The chart does show just a touch softer butt & tip but I think the weighting is engineered much better. It does remind me more of a SPO but I guess it is SPO weight and SPB profile. Either way, it's a win and everyone who's looking for a new tour-weight shaft needs to try it out!
[/quote]

Completely agree, anyone who just PLAYS DG or PX just because they are what they always have played and out of habit, NEEDS to at least try these. I played S300s for at least 12 years and I'm absolutely loving the feel (especially) but also the performance of the 125S. I'm sure the 120 and 130 are great shafts as well.

Consider me converted...and it was quick!

(1 week: 2 range sessions, 2 rounds)

[BlakeBstone]

I have a 120x drying in my lob wedge right now. I hit a lot of full and 3/4 shots with it so I decided to match my irons.. Can't wait

[MJisGOAT]

[quote name='webber' timestamp='1433436182' post='11689382']
Golfshaftreviews.info just put up some info on the Super Peening Blue and Orange. Says the Blue and new Modus 125 are almost identical shafts other than a weight diff of 5 grams
[/quote]
http://www.golfshaftreviews.info/index.php/nippon-n-s-pro-super-peening/

[paul1406]

Hit the Nippon Prototype 2T15 X for the first time today in the 690.MB's, the range session was more telling than on the course. The flight looks to be similar to the Modus 125X with less spin. Iron distances were measured to be the same and going into greens I got a hop forward with 6 & 5 iron where the 125X was stopping dead. I really like the knock down shot with the shot irons. I won closest to the pin in the scramble I played today with a knockdown 3/4 9 iron into the wind. Spin control with short irons was excellent.

Like the ST Prototype they feel light in the back swing, but normal swing weight through the downswing. The feel at impact was the biggest difference. It's what I imagine the 120's feel like which is a little looser or less stable. It was easy to square the club face, but my miss today was definitely the pull side. This shaft will take time to get used to in regards to feel because it is so different. I'd love to see the wall thickness profile to confirm what I feel, but my guess is a much weaker mid section. Tip maybe as strong as the 120's or a little weaker. Butt section is hard to tell if I am feeling the shaft load because my transition is relatively slower. I swing a 94 mph 6 iron and 118 mph driver for reference which is mainly because of a hard late release. As I get more swings with this set I will post if any opinion changes but initially my thought is this would be a winner for those who want a lighter 120 with less spin. As far as flex goes I'd get the same flex you would want out of the Modus 3 120 shaft.

[gripz]

[quote name='MJisGOAT' timestamp='1431518551' post='11550908']
I abhor the 120, there is only one other iron shaft that I've disliked as much as the 120 and that is the ctaper.
[/quote]

I could not agree more. These are very similar feeling shafts that should not be played by anyone without a legit very late release. As a mediocre single digit with a medium release, the x100 is much more responsive.

[markheardjr]

[quote name='gripz' timestamp='1433563955' post='11699090']
[quote name='MJisGOAT' timestamp='1431518551' post='11550908']
I abhor the 120, there is only one other iron shaft that I've disliked as much as the 120 and that is the ctaper.
[/quote]

I could not agree more. These are very similar feeling shafts that should not be played by anyone without a legit very late release. As a mediocre single digit with a medium release, the x100 is much more responsive.
[/quote]
Highly suggest 125. I also am not a fan of 120's, I have a legit Sergio-esque late release. I think I topped 8 balls in a row with the 120.

125 on the other hand, can't get much smoother for me and excellent control. Jar'd a 155y 8i on Friday for eagle. No matter what I ask of them they perform. I hit a 8i 170y into a damp wind yesterday, my usual 8i is 155y. I can also 3/4 shot it to 135 and have the same control.
X100 is good. I don't hold a grudge against it, but it seems weighted weird and when I really try to get after one with DG the ball always balloons. And my elbows/wrists hurt more with X100 than 125X.

[todd.ashford]

The guy at my local shop said that I could not put the Modus3 120 in my Engage wedges. That being the case, am I stuck having to use the WV shaft?

[golflefty]

[quote name='markheardjr' timestamp='1433779311' post='11711204']
[quote name='gripz' timestamp='1433563955' post='11699090']
[quote name='MJisGOAT' timestamp='1431518551' post='11550908']
I abhor the 120, there is only one other iron shaft that I've disliked as much as the 120 and that is the ctaper.
[/quote]

I could not agree more. These are very similar feeling shafts that should not be played by anyone without a legit very late release. As a mediocre single digit with a medium release, the x100 is much more responsive.
[/quote]
Highly suggest 125. I also am not a fan of 120's, I have a legit Sergio-esque late release. I think I topped 8 balls in a row with the 120.

125 on the other hand, can't get much smoother for me and excellent control. Jar'd a 155y 8i on Friday for eagle. No matter what I ask of them they perform. I hit a 8i 170y into a damp wind yesterday, my usual 8i is 155y. I can also 3/4 shot it to 135 and have the same control.
X100 is good. I don't hold a grudge against it, but it seems weighted weird and when I really try to get after one with DG the ball always balloons. And my elbows/wrists hurt more with X100 than 125X.
[/quote]

Hey glad to hear you struggled finding the face with 120's, I hadn't hit a shank in years and hit a half dozen in my first range session with them. Didn't take long for me to pull the 120's out. Went with the 125's and have fallen in love as well.

[markheardjr]

[quote name='todd.ashford' timestamp='1433785867' post='11712040']
The guy at my local shop said that I could not put the Modus3 120 in my Engage wedges. That being the case, am I stuck having to use the WV shaft?
[/quote]
I don't know why you can't? Might have to order them seperate that is all. WV isn't a bad wedge shaft. Similar shot shape, lower launch mid-higher spin.

[jml4]

I currently have DG Pro s300s in my vapor pro combos. Have never hit anything but DGs and the Modus are calling my name. I like the ball flight I'm getting from the DG pros but am not a big fan of the progressive weighting. I like how KBS shafts play, Would 125s give me a similar feel and performance?

[markheardjr]

[quote name='jml4' timestamp='1433799245' post='11713676']
I currently have DG Pro s300s in my vapor pro combos. Have never hit anything but DGs and the Modus are calling my name. I like the ball flight I'm getting from the DG pros but am not a big fan of the progressive weighting. I like how KBS shafts play, Would 125s give me a similar feel and performance?
[/quote]
Similar feel to KBS but you should expect lower flight and spin. No ballooning.

[Titleist_242]

Hey Mark,

Are 125s one of those "don't bother hitting if you can't load" type of shafts?

I hit anything from r300, px 5.5, s300 kbs r+ Just fine and wondering if the 125s is too much shaft for me.

[MJisGOAT]

[quote name='Titleist_242' timestamp='1433819129' post='11716126']
Hey Mark,

Are 125s one of those "don't bother hitting if you can't load" type of shafts?

I hit anything from r300, px 5.5, s300 kbs r+ Just fine and wondering if the 125s is too much shaft for me.
[/quote]125reg