This is the Most Painful Pre-shot Routine on the PGA Tour

[rony]

[quote name='WolfWRX' timestamp='1447203252' post='12581778']
[quote name='rony' timestamp='1447160329' post='12578238']
THAT...Is DISGUSTING!!

This post might not be understood by our international members but.....They were able to write a new rule in Major League Baseball to speed up the game, and it made a noticeable difference, (Still work to be done) so they should be able to do it in Golf. What's the big deal? It's no different than the anchored putting stroke. You implement a new rule, and you ENFORCE that rule! You have "X" number of seconds/minutes to hit your shot or you are penalized 1 stroke. What do you think these guys are gonna do, quit and go to work in a Burger King? How many Tour Pros quit because of the "Anchor Rule?" When you see it on a video like this, you realize how bad it has gotten.

Instead of some of the insignificant nonsense that the R&A and USGA worry about, THIS has to be corrected!
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I agree with this. Certainly the fact that the respective ruling bodies have got their priorities all wrong and that slow play could easily be addressed through rules and proper enforcement. It would need some careful consideration, for instance, when does the shot clock start and what happens if a player needs a ruling (plus many other factors) but I like the idea in principle.

The other thing is that I highly doubt most of the worst offenders would see much, if any difference in their scoring if they were to curb their excessive pre-shot antics in favour of something a little more concise.
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Good point! BTW, I like your username!

[MMB1500]

[quote name='rony' timestamp='1447328988' post='12588170']
[quote name='WolfWRX' timestamp='1447203252' post='12581778']
[quote name='rony' timestamp='1447160329' post='12578238']
THAT...Is DISGUSTING!!

This post might not be understood by our international members but.....They were able to write a new rule in Major League Baseball to speed up the game, and it made a noticeable difference, (Still work to be done) so they should be able to do it in Golf. What's the big deal? It's no different than the anchored putting stroke. You implement a new rule, and you ENFORCE that rule! You have "X" number of seconds/minutes to hit your shot or you are penalized 1 stroke. What do you think these guys are gonna do, quit and go to work in a Burger King? How many Tour Pros quit because of the "Anchor Rule?" When you see it on a video like this, you realize how bad it has gotten.

Instead of some of the insignificant nonsense that the R&A and USGA worry about, THIS has to be corrected!
[/quote]

I agree with this. Certainly the fact that the respective ruling bodies have got their priorities all wrong and that slow play could easily be addressed through rules and proper enforcement. It would need some careful consideration, for instance, when does the shot clock start and what happens if a player needs a ruling (plus many other factors) but I like the idea in principle.

The other thing is that I highly doubt most of the worst offenders would see much, if any difference in their scoring if they were to curb their excessive pre-shot antics in favour of something a little more concise.
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Good point! BTW, I like your username!
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Thanks rony!

[BoogieThumper]

[quote name='fore_life' timestamp='1447268139' post='12584930']
I sent him a link to this thread on Twitter and he favorited it but didn't respond, maybe he's still getting ready to start typing
[/quote]You win sir! Hell of a post

[tjumper78]

a friend of mine was a 51 seconder (how my friends and i call these people) at one point. he finally got it down to around 30 seconds when everyone started avoiding to play with him.
another friend is a 42 seconder right now, and i hope he feels that he is getting shunned by the others little by little. lol

[Chomper]

[quote name='bscinstnct' timestamp='1447272078' post='12585214']
[quote name='Chomper' timestamp='1447269541' post='12585018']
If I were his partner, or a spectator, I would heckle the $hit out of this guy, and start putting him on the clock myself, letting him know every thirty seconds how much time had passed. I would even show him my timer if he said anything.

And if he got physical, so be it. I have an attorney on speed dial.
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Who is that in your avatar, pls?
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Guy Smiley.

[farmer]

As I said earlier, hit these slow guys with stroke penalties, suspend them from their next tournament, or watch for a few holes and tell them it's time to go to the house. Make it public and loud.

[playa]

[quote name='farmer' timestamp='1447374629' post='12591774']
As I said earlier, hit these slow guys with stroke penalties, suspend them from their next tournament, or watch for a few holes and tell them it's time to go to the house. Make it public and loud.
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I'm not generally a fan of embarassing miscrients as it is a negative experience which can be damaging to personal development and push them deeper into their non compliant behaviour, but these are grown men who know exactly what they are doing and need to be brought into line. Public shaming sounds like a good way to go.

[ShutSteepStuck]

I'm ashamed to admit he is one of my favorite players to watch swing b/c I love his dirty sawed off finish and he absolutely nukes it, but agree he is horrifically slow.

I remember a few years ago in San Antonio (I think) he was in contention and Johnny Miller was talking about how strong his "lats" were during a slo-mo of his swing...lol he also said he'd quite announcing if everyone played at Loupe's pace.

[golfdad907]

Good Lord, I'd stab myself in the eyes with a spork if had to watch that as a playing partner.

[Arpeggi]

This guy should be banned from the tour for making viewers stop watching

[youraway2]

Slow play is bad for the game. I've heard that a thousand times but see little (no) action being taken. It's really a joke to be put on the clock by the PGA or an LPGA official = nothing will happen!

[hogans71]

[quote name='prorobo' timestamp='1447201815' post='12581688']
[quote name='fore_life' timestamp='1447199942' post='12581564']
This was posted awhile ago, him saying that he's aware and just doesn't care

[url="http://www.aussiegolfer.com.au/andrew-loupe-takes-seven-practice-swings-video/"]http://www.aussiegol...e-swings-video/[/url]
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Wow. That is simply awful.

[media=]http://youtu.be/kU94YlRqxDQ[/media]
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That is effing brutal. Those in charge need to clamp down on this nonsense. My God...

[hogans71]

[quote name='fore_life' timestamp='1447268139' post='12584930']
I sent him a link to this thread on Twitter and he favorited it but didn't respond, maybe he's still getting ready to start typing
[/quote]

That is freaking awesome..

[MMB1500]

[quote name='hogans71' timestamp='1447981582' post='12621880']
[quote name='fore_life' timestamp='1447268139' post='12584930']
I sent him a link to this thread on Twitter and he favorited it but didn't respond, maybe he's still getting ready to start typing
[/quote]

That is freaking awesome..
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Agreed. Post of 2015 contender!

[rony]

I sent an E Mail to the PGA tour about this. Of course they did not send a reply. They realize that the world golf community knows what a bunch of do nothing fools they really are. This guy Loupe has really illustrated how totally useless they are!

[golfinray]

In Bobby Jones day they walked fivesomes in 3 hours.

HIT THE BALL!

Jim Furyk on putts - same

[ohioglfr]

Duffner's waggle routine is fun, too.

[dan360]

[quote name='hogans71' timestamp='1447981337' post='12621854']
[quote name='prorobo' timestamp='1447201815' post='12581688']
[quote name='fore_life' timestamp='1447199942' post='12581564']
This was posted awhile ago, him saying that he's aware and just doesn't care

[url="http://www.aussiegolfer.com.au/andrew-loupe-takes-seven-practice-swings-video/"]http://www.aussiegol...e-swings-video/[/url]
[/quote]

Wow. That is simply awful.

[media=]http://youtu.be/kU94YlRqxDQ[/media]
[/quote]

That is effing brutal. Those in charge need to clamp down on this nonsense. My God...
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All that and he missed the fairway. And the rough. Blew it clear into the rocks and the trees.

What would've happened with only one practice swing? A hosel rocket into that lady on the right?

[dan360]

Not to be one upped, Keegan counters with this one:

http://www.aussiegolfer.com.au/check-out-keegan-bradleys-long-jittery-pre-shot-routine-video/

[Smash Factors]

Glad you posted the video actually. That follow through is what I've been working on.

[esqrvtx]

at the end of the day he's made this far in the game with that routine so hey guess what ever works.

[rony]

“Martin Slumbers, the R&A’s chief executive, believes it is time for golf’s slowcoaches at all levels to be named and shamed after their behaviour was described as both ‘selfish’ and a ‘form of cheating,’”

Martin Dempster of the Scotsman writes

. “The accusations were made on the second and final day of a pace-of-play symposium in St Andrews, where it was revealed that world No 1 Jordan Spieth had been put on the clock there in this year’s Open Championship.”

 

 

 

 

 

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Sergio Garcia and Jordan Spieth were told to pick up the pace at British Open

“The most common refrain from the masses who rail against the [Official World Golf Ranking] is that it doesn't mean anything. This argument often follows a linear pattern: The best players are determined by victories; the biggest victories are major championships; therefore, the best players are those who win majors. As to who is ranked ahead of whom through the statistics-based algorithm, these dissenters will usually close the argument with one final retort: Who cares? That seemingly rhetorical question can easily be answered in two words: The players. They care, that's who.”

Jason Sobel of ESPN has the story on the importance of the World Ranking

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[dlam]

I think what makes it painful to watch is not only the time it took but he does the same routine over two or three time Garcia regripping over and over and Dufner waggles over and over makes me cringe
At least Keegan creates something new for his pre shot routine and makes it look more interesting

[rony]

“Martin Slumbers, the R&A’s chief executive, believes it is time for golf’s slowcoaches at all levels to be named and shamed after their behaviour was described as both ‘selfish’ and a ‘form of cheating,’”

Martin Dempster of the Scotsman writes

. “The accusations were made on the second and final day of a pace-of-play symposium in St Andrews, where it was revealed that world No 1 Jordan Spieth had been put on the clock there in this year’s Open Championship.”

 

 

 

 

Getty Images

Sergio Garcia and Jordan Spieth were told to pick up the pace at British Open

“The most common refrain from the masses who rail against the [Official World Golf Ranking] is that it doesn't mean anything. This argument often follows a linear pattern: The best players are determined by victories; the biggest victories are major championships; therefore, the best players are those who win majors. As to who is ranked ahead of whom through the statistics-based algorithm, these dissenters will usually close the argument with one final retort: Who cares? That seemingly rhetorical question can easily be answered in two words: The players. They care, that's who.”

Jason Sobel of ESPN has the story on the importance of the World Ranking

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Sorry, this didn't post as I had intended.

[The Pearl]

I have little doubt the technology is there to record how long a player takes to hit a shot. The statistical ability of all the major sports to collect and analyze data is off the charts. I am sure the tour knows who the slow players are and it would only take a few tournaments to get a statistical baseline of each players tendencies. The tour could easily establish parameters to curtail slow play. You could do it in real time and exchange data with the caddies.

A guy like Loupe starts dicking around out there, you buzz his caddy a warning and the next time you buzz him a one stroke penalty. Keep buzzing him until he learns. Punish negative behavior until it is extinguished.

This is B.F. Skinner stuff...rats in a Skinner Box. Basis Psych 101 and behavior modification. The tour could have rounds down to 4 hours in about a month.

[solarbear88]

[quote name='The Pearl' timestamp='1448853177' post='12661578']


This is B.F. Skinner stuff...rats in a Skinner Box. Basis Psych 101 and behavior modification. The tour could have rounds down to 4 hours in about a month.
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I don't get how golfers who never have to look for a ball can take so long.

The guy in the video clearly needs some help on the mental side of the game so that he can play quicker and with more confidence.

[setter02]

No excuse for slow play and people need to start writing in to the Tour and stop watching it. Viewership goes down, they hear it from the sponsors and then something will be done because it is potentially costing them money. That is the only thing that matters, it makes the world go round. hurt people in their wallets and they pay attention because greed knows no bounds.

[Frankensteins Monster]

[quote name='abrok99' timestamp='1447128049' post='12577410']
I was watching that earlier and I knew who this thread would be about. I remember he was in the last group at a pga tourney last year and was so slow and deliberate. I get it it's a big stage but the tour really needs to get these guys going
[/quote]

Wait, this is recent? I saw the video and thought, "We're bringing this up again?" Low and behold, it's new!

[gprointraining]

[quote name='homeontherange' timestamp='1447102391' post='12575378']
Andrew Loupe at the Sanderson Farms Monday finish..

[media=]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0Qj7qGqbwU[/media]

@0:48 - "Slow play is an epidemic out here."

If you listen closely, you can also hear the announcers trying to not burst out laughing.


Nothing personal, this is just an observation of his PSR ...

Obviously it works for him, as he's playing on Tour, but it just makes me cringe to watch players like this. Imagine your weekly playing partner taking this much time.. Just freaking step up and hit the ball already!
[/quote]
This is EPIC. I would crap a brick if I was playing with this gentleman.

[alexdub]

This video reminds me of how etiquette has left the game.