How do you get rid of the flick/flip instinct? POST 120-UPDATE

[martynbirch]

The route to greater consistency for me is to avoid flicking at impact. I'm not flipping the club face shut but am stalling and flicking with my right hand.

 

If no ball is there I can do punisher drill type impact no problem with a good pivot, but when a ball is there my right wrist can't go past without flapping at it and my pivot stalls.

 

Does flip cause stall or vice versa? Thinking of buying DST as recommended by some but mixed reviews putting me off shelling out for yet another 'miracle cure'

[Jim Waldron]

#1 cure is more Awareness in Feel for the flip.

 

#2 is learning to ignore the ball.

[MonteScheinblum]

The route to greater consistency for me is to avoid flicking at impact. I'm not flipping the club face shut but am stalling and flicking with my right hand.

 

If no ball is there I can do punisher drill type impact no problem with a good pivot, but when a ball is there my right wrist can't go past without flapping at it and my pivot stalls.

 

Does flip cause stall or vice versa? Thinking of buying DST as recommended by some but mixed reviews putting me off shelling out for yet another 'miracle cure'

 

You have a fault in your swing that is forcing that move. Eliminate that.

[TB07]

The route to greater consistency for me is to avoid flicking at impact. I'm not flipping the club face shut but am stalling and flicking with my right hand.

 

If no ball is there I can do punisher drill type impact no problem with a good pivot, but when a ball is there my right wrist can't go past without flapping at it and my pivot stalls.

 

Does flip cause stall or vice versa? Thinking of buying DST as recommended by some but mixed reviews putting me off shelling out for yet another 'miracle cure'

 

You have a fault in your swing that is forcing that move. Eliminate that.

 

Agree.

[PutterKilledTheDream]

#1 flatten the shaft in transition

#2 accomplish by simultaneously flexing the lead wrist and externally rotating the trail shoulder

#3 open up as hard as you can and regain flexion

 

[bph7]

#1 flatten the shaft in transition

#2 accomplish by simultaneously flexing the lead wrist and externally rotating the trail shoulder

#3 open up as hard as you can and regain flexion

 

In before the inevitable follow ups asking about what flexing wrist means and ERing rt shoulder means even tho it's been discussed hundreds of times.

[PutterKilledTheDream]

#1 flatten the shaft in transition

#2 accomplish by simultaneously flexing the lead wrist and externally rotating the trail shoulder

#3 open up as hard as you can and regain flexion

 

In before the inevitable follow ups asking about what flexing wrist means and ERing rt shoulder means even tho it's been discussed hundreds of times.

No I think those concepts have been well covered....however we might want to revisit the dual knee external rotation move.

[bph7]

#1 flatten the shaft in transition

#2 accomplish by simultaneously flexing the lead wrist and externally rotating the trail shoulder

#3 open up as hard as you can and regain flexion

 

In before the inevitable follow ups asking about what flexing wrist means and ERing rt shoulder means even tho it's been discussed hundreds of times.

No I think those concepts have been well covered....however we might want to revisit the dual knee external rotation move.

 

true, everyone knows dual knee er transition is the key to get to scratch and truly the master move.

[Jasonic]

#1 flatten the shaft in transition

#2 accomplish by simultaneously flexing the lead wrist and externally rotating the trail shoulder

#3 open up as hard as you can and regain flexion

 

In before the inevitable follow ups asking about what flexing wrist means and ERing rt shoulder means even tho it's been discussed hundreds of times.

No I think those concepts have been well covered....however we might want to revisit the dual knee external rotation move.

 

true, everyone knows dual knee er transition is the key to get to scratch and truly the master move.

 

It's all ball bearings these days

[PutterKilledTheDream]

Here's the P6 you want:

 

 

[Petunia Sprinkle]

What horrible thing do you think would happen if you didn't flick it?

[Jasonic]

Here's the P6 you want:

 

 

 

Whoa

[ofortuna]

You HAVE to flick it with your current swing. If you don't you'll either a) miss the ball (including fat/thin) or b) hit it crooked.

 

Get a swing that doesn't require flipping.

[Dave D]

#2 is learning to ignore the ball.

This is quite a big part I feel, learning to get your intent out beyond the ball and not at the ball is huge

[OrangeGravy]

#2 is learning to ignore the ball.

This is quite a big part I feel, learning to get your intent out beyond the ball and not at the ball is huge

 

YES IT IS

[oscar@wrx]

Flipping or cupped left wrist would predospose one to a more cocked left wrist. So flat left wrist means more uncocked. This is why you get more divot or chunk it more when you have a flatter left wrist, and you hit the ball thin more when you have a cupped or flipped left wrist

[Golfer827]

Two thoughts:

 

1. That is pretty stuck. There are a number of things that can cause it. Without seeing the full swing on video it's hard to diagnose the issue completely.

 

2. In my opinion, you are too close to the ball. Thus, you're not able to lead with the right elbow or getting the right shoulder working down towards it.

 

Bend a bit more at the waist and hips in your setup and see where your arms hang. From there bring your hands together and you have your iron/wedge grip location. Then let the club follow it's length and lie angle to the sole and you have your ball position in distance from the body which should allow you to achieve less flips and sticks.

[swhogan35]

The flipping motion is vital to creating power and speed in the swing, so eliminating it is one of the worst things you can do. But getting that image at impact with your hands leading, somewhere during the swing you had an error and that caused that look at impact. Always be careful to not remove a vital part of the swing thinking it needs to be fixed, when it's really the effect of something else happening.

[BrianMcG]

The cause of my flip was some excessive early extension. If I didn't flip I'd hit the ball thin and 40 yards right.

[dornstar]

Flipping is a byproduct of other faults. Unfortunately, there's an endless number of reasons why it can occur.

[martynbirch]

Thanks all, some great input. Lots of cause and effect in golf, could the flip be linked to everything (I mean everything!) being flat square at impact? Or do hips stall because of other issues?

[Cwebb]

Was that pic posted as a joke? I had to scroll back up and down the thread...and was still in a state of :huh:

 

LOL

[PutterKilledTheDream]

Was that pic posted as a joke? I had to scroll back up and down the thread...and was still in a state of :huh:

 

LOL

 

You don't like that action? He got there from here:

 

 

[vitalesan]

The flipping motion is vital to creating power and speed in the swing, so eliminating it is one of the worst things you can do. But getting that image at impact with your hands leading, somewhere during the swing you had an error and that caused that look at impact. Always be careful to not remove a vital part of the swing thinking it needs to be fixed, when it's really the effect of something else happening.

 

There is a difference between a flip and correct wrist release, which is the right hand rotating over the left. The latter will increase power/distance. I used to do the wrist flip. I hit a decent ball with it, and had some good distance. Could average 250 meters with the driver and hit my wedge a solid 107 meters, on average.

 

Now with correct wrist release I really get what hogan was saying about being able to come from the inside and just slam it as hard as you want without losing balance. I average over 270 meters with driver and hit my wedge 130 meters (which I don't need to do, but that's just how far it goes now with a correct release). Coming at the ball from the inside with that right elbow tucked in front of the hip, means the old flip will just block it out to the right. A correct release will start the ball out right and draw it back on target.

 

Damn Hogan, makin' sense again!

[oscar@wrx]

Isn't flipping just a result of too early release? Too early release means too early uncocking, and once it uncocks, the left wrist would roll, you can't avoid it. Well, you can, and that's by actively preventing your left wrist to roll. Because of the centrifugal force of the clubhead, your left wrist hs no choice but to flip.

 

So I think the simple solution is don't release early

[Jasonic]

Isn't flipping just a result of too early release? Too early release means too early uncocking, and once it uncocks, the left wrist would roll, you can't avoid it. Well, you can, and that's by actively preventing your left wrist to roll. Because of the centrifugal force of the clubhead, your left wrist hs no choice but to flip.

 

So I think the simple solution is don't release early

 

I've found out a flip is an incorrect early release, the wrist are moving side to side as opposed to releasing up and down. Release correctly (up and down) and you can't release too early as Jack said and the right hand naturally rolls over and straightens after impact. The left won't cup at all at impact, that's the tell tale sign of an up and down as opposed to a side to side release, straight left wrist no cup at impact.

[Larry111]

Isn't flipping just a result of too early release? Too early release means too early uncocking, and once it uncocks, the left wrist would roll, you can't avoid it. Well, you can, and that's by actively preventing your left wrist to roll. Because of the centrifugal force of the clubhead, your left wrist hs no choice but to flip.

 

So I think the simple solution is don't release early

 

I see your point but IMO people run into lots problems because they are trying to release the club on their address plane.

[AMPlayer]

The route to greater consistency for me is to avoid flicking at impact.

Thinking of buying DST as recommended by some but mixed reviews putting me off shelling out for yet another 'miracle cure'

 

DST may shed some light on the process for you, so might Greg Norman's Secret in the same regard, but before acquiring those, or playing around with what may, or may not be, a swing fault look first to your perceptions on task as a place to start. Sunk's MORAD P6 thread contains a good example. Martin Chuck says the hands "support impact". This suggests, based on Martin's perception, no active role with the hands. Without a hand perception desiring to "cause impact", instead of supporting impact, the body becomes more a leader than follower. The Chuck video:

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[jut111]

Isn't flipping just a result of too early release? Too early release means too early uncocking, and once it uncocks, the left wrist would roll, you can't avoid it. Well, you can, and that's by actively preventing your left wrist to roll. Because of the centrifugal force of the clubhead, your left wrist hs no choice but to flip.

 

So I think the simple solution is don't release early

 

Disagree, at least for the majority of flippers. They flip cause if they didn't they wouldn't hit a functional shot or miss the ball altogether. Something has occurred before that makes a compensation necessary.

[Z1ggy16]

I practiced the swing thought of "pushing" through the ball at impact. Then at the range I hit balls this way just to keep my brain from letting my shaft head get in front of my hands. Almost like a punch out shot from the rough where you are trying to keep it under some trees.

 

Then when I would take pitch and chips shots, once I hit the ball, I made more of a follow thru, instead of keeping my arms "out and low", if you can get that visual. This has actually heled my full iron shots and my pitch shots, due to keeping more lag right before, and thru the impact. It's not particularly helpful for the driver swing, but somehow I've been able to keep those two swings separate.