New Mizuno irons coming - Tour Proto Pics

[RobS14526]

My biggest gripe of the MP18 lineup was the square top lines. It looks like they’ve tapered these. I also think the wedges look fantastic.

 

My only nitpicking of this offering is why make the lineup in different finishes when you clearly acknowledge that combo sets are a big part of their market?

[Notorious22]

Cant wait to spend money on a Deuce HMB and raw wedges.

[Warrick]

Need to see the HMB at address in the 5-6-7, also the sole.

I am liking this:

5 - 25 - standard - HMB

6 - 29 - 1 weak - HMB

7 - 33 - 1 weak - HMB

8 - 37 - 1 strong - MB

9 - 41 - 1 strong - MB

T7 45

T7 49

 

[halfsumo]

As a long time steel fiber player, this looks great, but I am wondering how the build will be from the factory. Tricky to swing weight. Some OEM's just make them 1/2" longer, some just plug them in and don't even bother, both of which are unacceptable practices for these shafts IMO. Great to see as an option, though, and if anyone has ordered custom from Mizuno and gotten a tricky build done well, I'd like to hear about it. thanks

[HappyGilmore22]

Thought the 919 Tours were the best looking iron out there but the MB's might have taken that over. If only I could play those.

[Tdsjfb]

The blades do look at a tad longer. Any verification on head length?

[Pinging77]

Mizuno sure takes forever to update their site with new products. Announce everything on Facebook etc. but website still has old product...

[The Mad Bomber]

> @halfsumo said:

> As a long time steel fiber player, this looks great, but I am wondering how the build will be from the factory. Tricky to swing weight. Some OEM's just make them 1/2" longer, some just plug them in and don't even bother, both of which are unacceptable practices for these shafts IMO. Great to see as an option, though, and if anyone has ordered custom from Mizuno and gotten a tricky build done well, I'd like to hear about it. thanks

 

Mizuno has always nailed by build. I think you'll be fine.

[TLUBulldogGolf]

> @halfsumo said:

> As a long time steel fiber player, this looks great, but I am wondering how the build will be from the factory. Tricky to swing weight. Some OEM's just make them 1/2" longer, some just plug them in and don't even bother, both of which are unacceptable practices for these shafts IMO. Great to see as an option, though, and if anyone has ordered custom from Mizuno and gotten a tricky build done well, I'd like to hear about it. thanks

 

They have typically offered 3 head weights in the past which they could use with different shaft weights, or my case they went with lighter heads because I play extra length clubs. So I was able to play my preferred PX 6.5s but keep the swingweight down at +3/4".

[hwwong]

> @"The Mad Bomber" said:

> > @halfsumo said:

> > As a long time steel fiber player, this looks great, but I am wondering how the build will be from the factory. Tricky to swing weight. Some OEM's just make them 1/2" longer, some just plug them in and don't even bother, both of which are unacceptable practices for these shafts IMO. Great to see as an option, though, and if anyone has ordered custom from Mizuno and gotten a tricky build done well, I'd like to hear about it. thanks

>

> Mizuno has always nailed by build. I think you'll be fine.

 

+1 on this. I just ordered factory a set with specific lie angles, D5 SW and +1/4". The lies came within .25* and the SW were all within 1/2 pt.

[NGstaff]

Righty Only except the MP20 SEL. I really do hate being a lefty sometimes. But...I will more than likely be played the MP-20 SELs by next year. Can't wait to hit them. Really wanted a split cav/blade combo..the normal 3-7 split, 8-PW blade or 3-6 split, 7-PW blade. Oh well. Ya can't always get what ya want. Love the look of the wedges...just wanted blue, again...oh well.

[ASN21]

Those HMB's look very good. Need to see what they look like at address.

[Zach Heusser]

Anyone getting a full set of HMB?

[bombdrop]

its the go Suck Eggs Lefties edition.

 

I hope no one buys them.

[Warrick]

> @"Zach Heusser" said:

> Anyone getting a full set of HMB?

 

Depends on looks at address if I get 5-9, or get 8-9 in the MB. I am thinking HMB mid irons for more launch as opposed to MMC, but need to see Richard do his sweet comparison pics

[Tdsjfb]

Excellent write-up here -----> https://Not allowed because of spam.com/mizuno-mp-20-iron-review/?unapproved=381574&moderation-hash=cdf893903ba24adbc782df59b1c0fc21#comment-381574

[MDG5161]

So us lefties are mad? I need an explanation why I’m supposed to be angry at Mizuno making a pure blade for us?

[golfjam]

Hopefully they deliver. MP18 blades didn't perform, went back to MP5 for softer feel. Looks is still debatable, need to see them in hands. Hard to beat MP4 tho. HMB may ditch my HMP.

[golflefty]

> @MDG5161 said:

> So us lefties are mad? I need an explanation why I’m supposed to be angry at Mizuno making a pure blade for us?

 

Agreed, this is the most exciting release as a lefty I've seen in a long time

 

[bombdrop]

> @MDG5161 said:

> So us lefties are mad? I need an explanation why I’m supposed to be angry at Mizuno making a pure blade for us?

 

Simple. They have a blade then they have the 919F. Too opposite ends of the spectrum. Why not have something like a 620CB/AP2/P790 Mizuno for lefties? The Hollow blades or MMC is a far better option. It would BY FAR be more popular than a blade even for us "5%".

 

Lefties have been getting Mizuno blades for 50 years, what is the allure of a blade made in 2019? Why not something multimaterial or hollowbody? Is the MP20 Blade that much better than a MP68 or MP32? I'd fair to say not much, its a blade. A players distance/something with technology is what we should want in the MP line.

 

I am going to be amazed if Lefties buy these. If you are a traditionalist, you are going to want a 3-4 in a blade, if you want something more forgiving, you are going to want the hollows in the 5 and maybe even in the 6 iron.

 

This is nothing more than a tease. Come out with the blades in 3-4 and finish the rest of the set in hollows then we can decide on a full set of each or where the combo should start in our own sets. I'd be very surprised if any righties order 3-4 in HMB then the rest in blade. It is just a dumb combo set makeup.

[chinaski]

Agree, need to see at address, but the write up on HMB on sounds fantastic. I'm thinking HMB as a full set. They sound like a true MP iron, seem closer to TMB vs P790(Which I was scared of).

 

 

"While Hot Metal and Hot Metal Pro faces are designed to maximize ball speed, Mizuno effectively inverted its face technology to dial back speed at the center of the face. Instead of maximizing center speed, the goal is to provide more consistent speed. It’s a not so subtle difference which should appeal to better golfers – and that’s a detail that shouldn’t get lost here. While HMB’s construction is similar to what you’ll find in an increasing number of Game Improvement and Players Distance Offerings, the HMB isn’t that. It is, in every respect, an iron for better players."

 

 

 

[Warrick]

> @bombdrop said:

> > @MDG5161 said:

> > So us lefties are mad? I need an explanation why I’m supposed to be angry at Mizuno making a pure blade for us?

>

> Simple. They have a blade then they have the 919F. Too opposite ends of the spectrum. Why not have something like a 620CB/AP2/P790 Mizuno for lefties? The Hollow blades or MMC is a far better option. It would BY FAR be more popular than a blade even for us "5%".

>

> Lefties have been getting Mizuno blades for 50 years, what is the allure of a blade made in 2019? Why not something multimaterial or hollowbody? Is the MP20 Blade that much better than a MP68 or MP32? I'd fair to say not much, its a blade. A players distance/something with technology is what we should want in the MP line.

>

> I am going to be amazed if Lefties buy these. If you are a traditionalist, you are going to want a 3-4 in a blade, if you want something more forgiving, you are going to want the hollows in the 5 and maybe even in the 6 iron.

>

> This is nothing more than a tease. Come out with the blades in 3-4 and finish the rest of the set in hollows then we can decide on a full set of each or where the combo should start in our own sets. I'd be very surprised if any righties order 3-4 in HMB then the rest in blade. It is just a dumb combo set makeup.

 

How about 919F/SEL combo?

[bombdrop]

> @Warrick said:

> > @bombdrop said:

> > > @MDG5161 said:

> > > So us lefties are mad? I need an explanation why I’m supposed to be angry at Mizuno making a pure blade for us?

> >

> > Simple. They have a blade then they have the 919F. Too opposite ends of the spectrum. Why not have something like a 620CB/AP2/P790 Mizuno for lefties? The Hollow blades or MMC is a far better option. It would BY FAR be more popular than a blade even for us "5%".

> >

> > Lefties have been getting Mizuno blades for 50 years, what is the allure of a blade made in 2019? Why not something multimaterial or hollowbody? Is the MP20 Blade that much better than a MP68 or MP32? I'd fair to say not much, its a blade. A players distance/something with technology is what we should want in the MP line.

> >

> > I am going to be amazed if Lefties buy these. If you are a traditionalist, you are going to want a 3-4 in a blade, if you want something more forgiving, you are going to want the hollows in the 5 and maybe even in the 6 iron.

> >

> > This is nothing more than a tease. Come out with the blades in 3-4 and finish the rest of the set in hollows then we can decide on a full set of each or where the combo should start in our own sets. I'd be very surprised if any righties order 3-4 in HMB then the rest in blade. It is just a dumb combo set makeup.

>

> How about 919F/SEL combo?

 

Heres Taylormade and Mizuno comparison:

p730 - MP20 Blade

p-7tw

p750

p770

p760

p790

m3 - 919f

 

You see that obviously giant gap? That is where most above average players sit. Why would I want to play M3s in 3-6 then p730 7-PW? makes zero sense.

 

 

[TheBear95]

> @ssfranny said:

> Also stock iron offerings pretty sparse modt other OEMs like Callaway can get a Modus 105 no upcharge

 

Modus 105 is already part of Mizuno's no upcharge shaft choices. The shafts you're seeing for the MP 20 line are additions to those current offerings.

[Warrick]

> @bombdrop said:

> > @Warrick said:

> > > @bombdrop said:

> > > > @MDG5161 said:

> > > > So us lefties are mad? I need an explanation why I’m supposed to be angry at Mizuno making a pure blade for us?

> > >

> > > Simple. They have a blade then they have the 919F. Too opposite ends of the spectrum. Why not have something like a 620CB/AP2/P790 Mizuno for lefties? The Hollow blades or MMC is a far better option. It would BY FAR be more popular than a blade even for us "5%".

> > >

> > > Lefties have been getting Mizuno blades for 50 years, what is the allure of a blade made in 2019? Why not something multimaterial or hollowbody? Is the MP20 Blade that much better than a MP68 or MP32? I'd fair to say not much, its a blade. A players distance/something with technology is what we should want in the MP line.

> > >

> > > I am going to be amazed if Lefties buy these. If you are a traditionalist, you are going to want a 3-4 in a blade, if you want something more forgiving, you are going to want the hollows in the 5 and maybe even in the 6 iron.

> > >

> > > This is nothing more than a tease. Come out with the blades in 3-4 and finish the rest of the set in hollows then we can decide on a full set of each or where the combo should start in our own sets. I'd be very surprised if any righties order 3-4 in HMB then the rest in blade. It is just a dumb combo set makeup.

> >

> > How about 919F/SEL combo?

>

> Heres Taylormade and Mizuno comparison:

> p730 - MP20 Blade

> p-7tw

> p750

> p770

> p760

> p790

> m3 - 919f

>

> You see that obviously giant gap? That is where most above average players sit. Why would I want to play M3s in 3-6 then p730 7-PW? makes zero sense.

>

>

 

Sorry to suggest such a horrible option.

The 919F is not a M3 competitor , more of a player iron than 790 too

[revanant]

> @hardcaliber said:

> If there is no SC type model it will be an important industry milestone, kind of like Ford getting rid of passenger cars and the extinction of the sedan.

>

> I guess it’s been coming for a while now, no one really makes an old school cb. The more successful cb’s recently have either been bigger blade length and stronger loft such as J15 or some type of multi material such as AP2.

>

> Like I said earlier, I like multi material so i hope a slimmed down mmc slides down to fill the sc slot.

 

> @MizunoMac72 said:

> > @hardcaliber said:

> > > @tobybear said:

> > > > @JStang said:

> > > > Sorry if this has been asked but I didnt see it anywhere. Is there going to be an SC replacement?

> > >

> > > I think that ship has sailed to create a greater difference between models

> > >

> > It's very hard for me to imagine a Mizuno MP release with no full set of traditional forged MB's and no set of traditional forged players CB. There has to be some missing models...

> >

>

>

>

> Having checked on the USGA Club Database, it is defo only the MP-20, MP-20 HMB & MP-20 MMC in this iron release...........for right-handers anyway.

>

>

> According to the Maltby Playability Factor (MPF) the MP-18 are more playable & forgiving than the MP-18 SC.

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This might not be a popular opinion, but I think as golfers we fool ourselves a little bit in the name of forgiveness. I think the discontinuation of the MP18 SC is a good example. This is not a knock against the MP 18 SC--everyone should play the clubs they like. But personally, I know that when I hit the MP 18 MB against the SC, I preferred the aesthetics and feel of the MB. I actually got worse performance from the SC in my hands. Common logic would suggest that the perimeter weighting should help improve performance, but I didn't find that to be the case--I know I do better with a lower VCOG usually (the Apex MB being an exception for an iron that I found performed well with an ostensibly high VCOG), and I didn't really see any tangible differences to choose the SC over the MB.

 

As it turns out, I happen to prefer my MP-4 to the MP-18 for similar reasons--better feel, lower cg, easier launch, and ultimately better ballflight. But knowing myself, I'd be really upset if I payed full price for a split set between the SC and MB in the name of more forgiveness, only to find out there wasn't really a tangible difference between the two and I sacrificed preferred feel and aesthetics needlessly.

 

Objectively, based on the Maltby ratings SC is a cavity back that spreads weight to the perimeter, but the VCOG is higher and the MPF rating is lower. Now, MPF isn't the end-all / be-all, but honestly--I have no idea what a difference of 11.7 vs. 12.6 in MOI looks like in real life, or if it even really matters in a practical sense or has a real effect.

 

Based on the MGS article, though, Mizuno wasn't seeing a ton of difference either in the two offerings, which is why they killed the SC in favor of the MB.

 

Quote: "It’s with differentiation in mind that the company decided to scrap the SC. While cosmetically SC was appreciably different than the MP-18 (MB), performance differences were nearly non-existent. The forgiveness of the SC was only marginally better than the MP-18, and there wasn’t much in the way of ball flight difference either. The differences were mostly cosmetic, and that’s not enough reason for Mizuno to update the iron."

 

Source Link: https://Not allowed because of spam.com/mizuno-mp-20-iron-review/

 

Personally, I find that quote super-refreshing and enlightening. Even though the SC has a cavity and additional weight in the perimeter, Mizuno doesn't think there's a tangible benefit vs. the MB. That's huge.

 

To me, it's an affirmation that parsing the differences between Player's CBs and MBs can be small and insignificant and that favoring an iron because of a perception of marginal gains in forgiveness shouldn't drive my equipment choices. Going forward, if I'm not seeing significant differences in ball flight and metrics, I'm not going to assume a Player's CB has more benefit for my swing than an MB just because it has perimeter weighting or more tech.

* * *

Separately, I'm also really impressed by what Mizuno is doing with the current launch. They've basically said

1) We have three options.

2) We are going to try to give you the best feel and thinnest aesthetics with each. We aren't going to fatten up the MB just to make it blend better with the MMC, but we are going to try to shrink the MMC to match the MB (a better approach vs. the MP 18 in my opinion)

3) We are going to maintain our sole grinds and low bounce with each.

4) The reason you should choose between the irons is if a set has a marked difference in trajectory for you. And if you're curious, the way we at Mizuno would recommend people play this MP series is MB in 5-PW and HMB in 3i-4i, which is what we've done for the SEL.

 

I think #4 is really interesting, because it's exactly where I find myself with my MP-4s. I'm very good with my 3W and 5W. I'm comfortable with my MP-4 5i. My 4i isn't a club I practice enough with, and should probably be replaced with an iron or other club that will give me more height, launch, and spin for better stopping power in that gapping. It might be the 4 HMB, or it could be a hybrid.

 

Personally, I'm really loving my MP-4s and I'm not looking to drop money on irons. But the thing I prize most about my MP-4s is the thin and small package + the soft feel. I've never hit the MP-14 or TN-87, but I understand that the MP-14 has a CG that's extremely low--.687 VCOG according to Maltby. If the MP-20 are softer than my MP-4s and have a lower VCOG/easier launch...my wallet may be in trouble. : )

 

 

[bombdrop]

> @Warrick said:

> > @bombdrop said:

> > > @Warrick said:

> > > > @bombdrop said:

> > > > > @MDG5161 said:

> > > > > So us lefties are mad? I need an explanation why I’m supposed to be angry at Mizuno making a pure blade for us?

> > > >

> > > > Simple. They have a blade then they have the 919F. Too opposite ends of the spectrum. Why not have something like a 620CB/AP2/P790 Mizuno for lefties? The Hollow blades or MMC is a far better option. It would BY FAR be more popular than a blade even for us "5%".

> > > >

> > > > Lefties have been getting Mizuno blades for 50 years, what is the allure of a blade made in 2019? Why not something multimaterial or hollowbody? Is the MP20 Blade that much better than a MP68 or MP32? I'd fair to say not much, its a blade. A players distance/something with technology is what we should want in the MP line.

> > > >

> > > > I am going to be amazed if Lefties buy these. If you are a traditionalist, you are going to want a 3-4 in a blade, if you want something more forgiving, you are going to want the hollows in the 5 and maybe even in the 6 iron.

> > > >

> > > > This is nothing more than a tease. Come out with the blades in 3-4 and finish the rest of the set in hollows then we can decide on a full set of each or where the combo should start in our own sets. I'd be very surprised if any righties order 3-4 in HMB then the rest in blade. It is just a dumb combo set makeup.

> > >

> > > How about 919F/SEL combo?

> >

> > Heres Taylormade and Mizuno comparison:

> > p730 - MP20 Blade

> > p-7tw

> > p750

> > p770

> > p760

> > p790

> > m3 - 919f

> >

> > You see that obviously giant gap? That is where most above average players sit. Why would I want to play M3s in 3-6 then p730 7-PW? makes zero sense.

> >

> >

>

> Sorry to suggest such a horrible option.

> The 919F is not a M3 competitor

 

So where does it sit? Or you could compare it to Titleist. It sure isn't an AP2 competitor, maybe an AP3. So AP3 3-6 then 620mb 7-PW? No one would play that.

[chinaski]

> @Warrick said:

> Sorry to suggest such a horrible option.

> The 919F is not a M3 competitor , more of a player iron than 790 too

 

 

Haha, Yeah 919F is closer to P770. 770 is a bit nicer iron though.

 

[stumptown]

> @Warrick said:

> > @bombdrop said:

> > > @Warrick said:

> > > > @bombdrop said:

> > > > > @MDG5161 said:

> > > > > So us lefties are mad? I need an explanation why I’m supposed to be angry at Mizuno making a pure blade for us?

> > > >

> > > > Simple. They have a blade then they have the 919F. Too opposite ends of the spectrum. Why not have something like a 620CB/AP2/P790 Mizuno for lefties? The Hollow blades or MMC is a far better option. It would BY FAR be more popular than a blade even for us "5%".

> > > >

> > > > Lefties have been getting Mizuno blades for 50 years, what is the allure of a blade made in 2019? Why not something multimaterial or hollowbody? Is the MP20 Blade that much better than a MP68 or MP32? I'd fair to say not much, its a blade. A players distance/something with technology is what we should want in the MP line.

> > > >

> > > > I am going to be amazed if Lefties buy these. If you are a traditionalist, you are going to want a 3-4 in a blade, if you want something more forgiving, you are going to want the hollows in the 5 and maybe even in the 6 iron.

> > > >

> > > > This is nothing more than a tease. Come out with the blades in 3-4 and finish the rest of the set in hollows then we can decide on a full set of each or where the combo should start in our own sets. I'd be very surprised if any righties order 3-4 in HMB then the rest in blade. It is just a dumb combo set makeup.

> > >

> > > How about 919F/SEL combo?

> >

> > Heres Taylormade and Mizuno comparison:

> > p730 - MP20 Blade

> > p-7tw

> > p750

> > p770

> > p760

> > p790

> > m3 - 919f

> >

> > You see that obviously giant gap? That is where most above average players sit. Why would I want to play M3s in 3-6 then p730 7-PW? makes zero sense.

> >

> >

>

> Sorry to suggest such a horrible option.

> The 919F is not a M3 competitor , more of a player iron than 790 too

 

I was going to say the same. The 919F is more P770. I'm a lefty as well and I don't think blending a set is going to be that hard. If you're ordering through a dealer I'm sure you'll be able to custom order a 919F/MP20 combo set.

[bombdrop]

> @stumptown said:

> > @Warrick said:

> > > @bombdrop said:

> > > > @Warrick said:

> > > > > @bombdrop said:

> > > > > > @MDG5161 said:

> > > > > > So us lefties are mad? I need an explanation why I’m supposed to be angry at Mizuno making a pure blade for us?

> > > > >

> > > > > Simple. They have a blade then they have the 919F. Too opposite ends of the spectrum. Why not have something like a 620CB/AP2/P790 Mizuno for lefties? The Hollow blades or MMC is a far better option. It would BY FAR be more popular than a blade even for us "5%".

> > > > >

> > > > > Lefties have been getting Mizuno blades for 50 years, what is the allure of a blade made in 2019? Why not something multimaterial or hollowbody? Is the MP20 Blade that much better than a MP68 or MP32? I'd fair to say not much, its a blade. A players distance/something with technology is what we should want in the MP line.

> > > > >

> > > > > I am going to be amazed if Lefties buy these. If you are a traditionalist, you are going to want a 3-4 in a blade, if you want something more forgiving, you are going to want the hollows in the 5 and maybe even in the 6 iron.

> > > > >

> > > > > This is nothing more than a tease. Come out with the blades in 3-4 and finish the rest of the set in hollows then we can decide on a full set of each or where the combo should start in our own sets. I'd be very surprised if any righties order 3-4 in HMB then the rest in blade. It is just a dumb combo set makeup.

> > > >

> > > > How about 919F/SEL combo?

> > >

> > > Heres Taylormade and Mizuno comparison:

> > > p730 - MP20 Blade

> > > p-7tw

> > > p750

> > > p770

> > > p760

> > > p790

> > > m3 - 919f

> > >

> > > You see that obviously giant gap? That is where most above average players sit. Why would I want to play M3s in 3-6 then p730 7-PW? makes zero sense.

> > >

> > >

> >

> > Sorry to suggest such a horrible option.

> > The 919F is not a M3 competitor , more of a player iron than 790 too

>

> I was going to say the same. The 919F is more P770. I'm a lefty as well and I don't think blending a set is going to be that hard. If you're ordering through a dealer I'm sure you'll be able to custom order a 919F/MP20 combo set.

 

wow. I guess I thought the 919F were far larger that the p790 or p770. I must be mistaken. Amazing that it has a 619 Game Improvement Maltby ranking for being more of a players iron than a p790.