New Mizuno irons coming - Tour Proto Pics

[mBiden2]

> @codylowrygolf said:

> Buried in the Instagram comments...

> - more to come during @theopen week.

> - September Release

> - Possibly a muscle back

>

 

My 790s better be worried.....

[Foreleft]

Wishing and hoping for a playable CB in this lineup. SC was barely more forgiving than the mb

[golfinguru11]

> @Foreleft said:

> Wishing and hoping for a playable CB in this lineup. SC was barely more forgiving than the mb

 

I’d actually argue it was less playable. Maltby Playability Index confirms. Man up and play the blades :p

[craz-e]

> @Foreleft said:

> Wishing and hoping for a playable CB in this lineup. SC was barely more forgiving than the mb

 

> @golfinguru11 said:

> > @Foreleft said:

> > Wishing and hoping for a playable CB in this lineup. SC was barely more forgiving than the mb

>

> I’d actually argue it was less playable. Maltby Playability Index confirms. Man up and play the blades :p

I was always super impressed with how forgiving the CB was/is ?

 

[Clive123]

Hi , all , new to on here loving all the chat and looking forward to reading and hopefully seeing the new mp range ( hoping muzino will produce in lefthanded ?⛳️⛳️⛳️

[deep18]

> @Clive123 said:

> Hi , all , new to on here loving all the chat and looking forward to reading and hopefully seeing the new mp range ( hoping muzino will produce in lefthanded ?⛳️⛳️⛳️

 

Welcome! I’ve been here for over a decade and there’s no better place if you’re a golfer.

 

[Clive123]

Thanks , yes been playing 28 years now , slowing down a little now I’m 50 but still playing off 3 , so not bad for the aching bones ?

[easylittle5wood]

They need to release their wedges in a raw option no matter what the new line is like.

[deep18]

> @easylittle5wood said:

> They need to release their wedges in a raw option no matter what the new line is like.

 

 

[Chex]

I have a set of JDM Mizuno MP-5 CP irons that have a copper underlay. These were a JDM Mizuno limited release with "CP" laser etched in the hosel (stands for copper plate). They came shafted with limited Nippon Modus 125 shafts (black at grip end fading to silver at the head end). They are a pretty special set of irons and I just can't find anything good enough to completely kick them to the curb. I had a USDM set of MP-5's before acquiring the CP's and they are significantly softer than the USDM retail version. They also have a heavier head weight which I believe is because of the copper underlay. For what its worth, when the MP-18 came out I demo'd them and they felt quite harsh in comparison so I never did buy into those. I have no idea what the yet to be released MP-20 will feel like but if its anything like my MP-5 CP's then I will definitely be in line to get a set.

 

 

[Phireside]

Does copper affect durability over the long run?

[GolfChannel]

> @TheShaun said:

> Does copper affect durability over the long run?

 

Legit question I was thinking, just because I usually play cast only because I’m cost conscious.

[noodle3872]

 

> @TheShaun said:

> Does copper affect durability over the long run?

 

Not likely since there will be chrome over top of the copper layer. The 1025E Pure Select that is HD Forged stands up pretty well.

[musclefront]

I just got an almost new set of tn-87s and playing blades my whole life I’ve never felt anything quite like it. Really really nice. I currently play the mp18s. I like the shape of the 18s better especially in the shorter irons but those 87s are something special

[Chex]

My MP-5 CP irons have held up incredibly well over the last 3 years

[halfsumo]

Saw this set at a shop in Tokyo earlier this year. Still in plastic. I actually did not know that they were anything special, but I wanted to buy them. Guess it’s fate telling me I need to buy the new ones.

 

 

[hwwong]

Definitely excited about these! Hopefully the will continue to leak/tease the release.

[otw]

Copper underlay was originally used to help chrome adhere to the head. Some MP 33 sets had an issue with the chrome peeling. The MP 14 had the copper underlay.

[musclefront]

> @halfsumo said:

> Saw this set at a shop in Tokyo earlier this year. Still in plastic. I actually did not know that they were anything special, but I wanted to buy them. Guess it’s fate telling me I need to buy the new ones.

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Those are the reissue ones from a couple years ago not originals. They sell for about 3000 US but have the copper underlay

[Warrick]

Any reps know if there is a chance mizuno adds the project x blackout series to the shaft line up?

[raywutang]

following warrick's lead, will mizuno be adding the $-taper to the line up?

[Rpete33]

Not sure if it’s mentioned but we will we see a similar line up as the mp18 range? Blade/sc/mmc/fli hi

 

[mBiden2]

> @Warrick said:

> Any reps know if there is a chance mizuno adds the project x blackout series to the shaft line up?

 

Man I really hope they do. We need Voshall to chime in here for us!

[Foreleft]

Unfortunately for my wallet and my handicap, I like the idea of bagging Muzunos much more than actually bagging Mizuno irons. Having see sawed between Ping irons and MP 33, 30, 60, MX 300 and some MX boron iron, I should of learned my lesson.

 

Maybe this time will be different . . .

[jmck]

> @otw said:

> Copper underlay was originally used to help chrome adhere to the head. Some MP 33 sets had an issue with the chrome peeling. The MP 14 had the copper underlay.

 

Yeah, this. Copper underlayment was SOP on any decent set of irons back before chrome plating evolved into what it currently is, with nickel plating underneath the chrome layer. All of the old Hoffman forgings would wear to copper once you hit enough balls to get through the chrome, then you'd have to hit through the copper layer before they'd get down to raw steel and rust. Not sure exactly where Mizuno phased it out the first time around. The 14/29 generation sounds about right--they definitely were and the 32s/33s definitely were not.

 

I love a nicely made set of blades as much as anyone else, but frankly this strikes me as a marketing gimmick. I'm sure they'll feel very nice, but there are better, easier, cheaper, more effective ways to tweak feel than switching from a nickel to a copper underlay. Feel=vibration, and the difference between copper and nickel is pretty much nonexistent. If you really want to blow someone away with how "soft" your irons feel take about $0.75 worth of caulk backing rod and shove it down the shafts next time you're regripping them. Heck, you could call them "ProSoft" or "Cushin" or "SensiCore" and patent them.

[gunmetal]

> @QuigleyDU said:

> > @Commack350Z said:

> > Ok. Can someone explain to me what's so good about copper underlay?

>

> softer feel. I think that really is about it.

 

Agreed, but feel was an issue with Mizuno before?!?!?

[Warrick]

Dude on mizuno chat said shaft updates later August , said no go on PX blackout

[mBiden2]

> @Warrick said:

> Dude on mizuno chat said shaft updates later August , said no go on PX blackout

 

Well that sucks

[GolfChannel]

> @jmck said:

> > @otw said:

> > Copper underlay was originally used to help chrome adhere to the head. Some MP 33 sets had an issue with the chrome peeling. The MP 14 had the copper underlay.

>

> Yeah, this. Copper underlayment was SOP on any decent set of irons back before chrome plating evolved into what it currently is, with nickel plating underneath the chrome layer. All of the old Hoffman forgings would wear to copper once you hit enough balls to get through the chrome, then you'd have to hit through the copper layer before they'd get down to raw steel and rust. Not sure exactly where Mizuno phased it out the first time around. The 14/29 generation sounds about right--they definitely were and the 32s/33s definitely were not.

>

> I love a nicely made set of blades as much as anyone else, but frankly this strikes me as a marketing gimmick. I'm sure they'll feel very nice, but there are better, easier, cheaper, more effective ways to tweak feel than switching from a nickel to a copper underlay. Feel=vibration, and the difference between copper and nickel is pretty much nonexistent. If you really want to blow someone away with how "soft" your irons feel take about $0.75 worth of caulk backing rod and shove it down the shafts next time you're regripping them. Heck, you could call them "ProSoft" or "Cushin" or "SensiCore" and patent them.

 

I have never heard of doing that with backer rod, is that something people actually do?

[jmck]

> @GolfChannel said:

> > @jmck said:

> > > @otw said:

> > > Copper underlay was originally used to help chrome adhere to the head. Some MP 33 sets had an issue with the chrome peeling. The MP 14 had the copper underlay.

> >

> > Yeah, this. Copper underlayment was SOP on any decent set of irons back before chrome plating evolved into what it currently is, with nickel plating underneath the chrome layer. All of the old Hoffman forgings would wear to copper once you hit enough balls to get through the chrome, then you'd have to hit through the copper layer before they'd get down to raw steel and rust. Not sure exactly where Mizuno phased it out the first time around. The 14/29 generation sounds about right--they definitely were and the 32s/33s definitely were not.

> >

> > I love a nicely made set of blades as much as anyone else, but frankly this strikes me as a marketing gimmick. I'm sure they'll feel very nice, but there are better, easier, cheaper, more effective ways to tweak feel than switching from a nickel to a copper underlay. Feel=vibration, and the difference between copper and nickel is pretty much nonexistent. If you really want to blow someone away with how "soft" your irons feel take about $0.75 worth of caulk backing rod and shove it down the shafts next time you're regripping them. Heck, you could call them "ProSoft" or "Cushin" or "SensiCore" and patent them.

>

> I have never heard of doing that with backer rod, is that something people actually do?

 

Oh yeah, for sure. Google around in the clubmaking forum and there should be some old threads about it. Not really sure it's worth doing--they kill so much vibration that clubs come out feeling almost too soft IMO ("marshmallowy")--but it works on the cheap if that's what you're going for. 100% the same basic idea as any other vibration dampening shaft insert. Try it in something you have laying around, like a 3 iron you'll never use or a crappy Northwestern partial set you bought for your kid. The before and after difference is real.