So really...re: divots...

[SNIPERBBB]

Who made the fairways?

 

 

[Mikey5e]

^^^^^^^

lol

[SNIPERBBB]

> @SNIPERBBB said:

> As far as man made. Most modern day golf courses are made by explosives, bull dozers and backhoes. Most bunkers, ponds and lakes in unglaciated land are man made.

 

[Mikey5e]

I feel like a couple others and myself are the only one's making rational comments in this thread. This situation is usually the case when others don't have any truth to tell.

[DaveLeeNC]

> @Mikey5e said:

> > @davep043 said:

> > > @LeoLeo99 said:

> > > > @davep043 said:

> > > > > @Schulzmc said:

> > > > > It seems so counterintuitive to me that they would say, "necessary exceptions... abnormal course conditions" and then say "therefore... (not) a divot hole". If an unrepaired divot hole is not an abnormal condition, what is?

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > Divots were being taken long before the first rules of golf were established. To the framers of the very first rules divot holes were a normal part of the game, as they remain to this day. There's not a thing abnormal about a divot hole on a golf course.

> > >

> > > Some folks opposed the elimination of the stymie rule.

> >

> > Divot holes have been a normal part of golf since golf started.

>

> Normal?

> A man made defect to a fairway is normal? No wonder the world has so many problems!

 

I have to agree with you here. Too many people who cannot understand the concept of a divot in a fairway being normal would certainly contribute to the problems in this world.

 

dave

[SNIPERBBB]

Where are divots supposed to be? Are they only supposed to be in the cabbage?

[nsxguy]

> @Mikey5e said:

> **I feel like a couple others and myself are the only one's making rational comments in this thread**. This situation is usually the case when others don't have any truth to tell.

 

LOL

 

Of course you do,,,,,,,,,

 


 

 

[Colin L]

That's a better pace. Only 93 posts to go.

[QEight]

> @"Colin L" said:

> That's a better pace. Only 93 posts to go.

 

Just helping you out here to fill the divot HOLE.

[Mr. Bean]

> @Mikey5e said:

> > @"Mr. Bean" said:

> > > @Roadking2003 said:

> > > > @nsxguy said:> A fairway and its divots are integral parts of the course.

> > > Divots are man made and not an integral part of the course

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > Divot is man made, huh? What about a footprint, is that also man made? How about a golf course, also man made, huh?

> >

> > You really need to get back to school...

>

> Then why do we repair ball marks on the Green? You just can't apply the rule to some things and not all things. You are very selective in your descriptions of what is and isn't man-made.

 

'Man made' does not mean the same as 'caused by man'. If you break a branch off a tree that branch is not 'man made'. Once you carve an ornament out of that branch with a knife that ornament is 'man made'.

 

Got it?

[antip]

> @Mikey5e said:

> > @"Mr. Bean" said:

> > > @Roadking2003 said:

> > > > @nsxguy said:> A fairway and its divots are integral parts of the course.

> > > Divots are man made and not an integral part of the course

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > Divot is man made, huh? What about a footprint, is that also man made? How about a golf course, also man made, huh?

> >

> > You really need to get back to school...

>

> Then why do we repair ball marks on the Green? You just can't apply the rule to some things and not all things. You are very selective in your descriptions of what is and isn't man-made.

 

Er, is it news for you that since the game began different parts of the course come under different rules frameworks.

[Vindog]

> @Mikey5e said:

> > @"Mr. Bean" said:

> > > @Roadking2003 said:

> > > > @nsxguy said:> A fairway and its divots are integral parts of the course.

> > > Divots are man made and not an integral part of the course

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > Divot is man made, huh? What about a footprint, is that also man made? How about a golf course, also man made, huh?

> >

> > You really need to get back to school...

>

> Then why do we repair ball marks on the Green? You just can't apply the rule to some things and not all things. You are very selective in your descriptions of what is and isn't man-made.

 

Yes you can. They're called "exceptions"

 

They exist everywhere.

[Vindog]

> @Mikey5e said:

> > @davep043 said:

> > > @LeoLeo99 said:

> > > > @davep043 said:

> > > > > @Schulzmc said:

> > > > > It seems so counterintuitive to me that they would say, "necessary exceptions... abnormal course conditions" and then say "therefore... (not) a divot hole". If an unrepaired divot hole is not an abnormal condition, what is?

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > Divots were being taken long before the first rules of golf were established. To the framers of the very first rules divot holes were a normal part of the game, as they remain to this day. There's not a thing abnormal about a divot hole on a golf course.

> > >

> > > Some folks opposed the elimination of the stymie rule.

> >

> > Divot holes have been a normal part of golf since golf started.

>

> Normal?

> A man made defect to a fairway is normal? No wonder the world has so many problems!

 

It seems you need a wholesale change in dogma regarding golf considerations.

They are neither abnormal, nor a defect. Once you log off for a few months, meditate and see that it is true, you will be liberated.

 

[Newby]

> @Mikey5e said:

>You are very selective in your descriptions of what is and isn't man-made.

 

What is your hang up with 'man-made'? Where in the rules does it mention 'man-made'?

[Mikey5e]

> @"Mr. Bean" said:

> > @Mikey5e said:

> > > @"Mr. Bean" said:

> > > > @Roadking2003 said:

> > > > > @nsxguy said:> A fairway and its divots are integral parts of the course.

> > > > Divots are man made and not an integral part of the course

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > Divot is man made, huh? What about a footprint, is that also man made? How about a golf course, also man made, huh?

> > >

> > > You really need to get back to school...

> >

> > Then why do we repair ball marks on the Green? You just can't apply the rule to some things and not all things. You are very selective in your descriptions of what is and isn't man-made.

>

> 'Man made' does not mean the same as 'caused by man'. If you break a branch off a tree that branch is not 'man made'. Once you carve an ornament out of that branch with a knife that ornament is 'man made'.

>

> Got it?

 

This has got to be one of the most misconceived posts of the year, maybe all time? Now we're talking about breaking branches to prove divots don't warrant a free drop? rotf. It just proves that I am right.

o:)

[Mr. Bean]

> @Mikey5e said:

> > @"Mr. Bean" said:

> > > @Mikey5e said:

> > > > @"Mr. Bean" said:

> > > > > @Roadking2003 said:

> > > > > > @nsxguy said:> A fairway and its divots are integral parts of the course.

> > > > > Divots are man made and not an integral part of the course

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > Divot is man made, huh? What about a footprint, is that also man made? How about a golf course, also man made, huh?

> > > >

> > > > You really need to get back to school...

> > >

> > > Then why do we repair ball marks on the Green? You just can't apply the rule to some things and not all things. You are very selective in your descriptions of what is and isn't man-made.

> >

> > 'Man made' does not mean the same as 'caused by man'. If you break a branch off a tree that branch is not 'man made'. Once you carve an ornament out of that branch with a knife that ornament is 'man made'.

> >

> > Got it?

>

> This has got to be one of the most misconceived posts of the year, maybe all time? Now we're talking about breaking branches to prove divots don't warrant a free drop? rotf. It just proves that I am right.

> o:)

 

I am not sure if I should laugh of weep or both. You just seem to be plain stupid.

 

It was you who draw this concept of 'man made' into the discussion and all I was trying to do is to explain to you what is and what is not 'man made'. Divots or divot holes are NOT 'man made' nor are ball-marks or foot prints or branches broken off a tree.

 

Was that simple enough for you to comprehend or are you still lost between a broken branch and a divot?

[trilerian]

> @"Mr. Bean" said:

> > @Mikey5e said:

> > > @"Mr. Bean" said:

> > > > @Mikey5e said:

> > > > > @"Mr. Bean" said:

> > > > > > @Roadking2003 said:

> > > > > > > @nsxguy said:> A fairway and its divots are integral parts of the course.

> > > > > > Divots are man made and not an integral part of the course

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > Divot is man made, huh? What about a footprint, is that also man made? How about a golf course, also man made, huh?

> > > > >

> > > > > You really need to get back to school...

> > > >

> > > > Then why do we repair ball marks on the Green? You just can't apply the rule to some things and not all things. You are very selective in your descriptions of what is and isn't man-made.

> > >

> > > 'Man made' does not mean the same as 'caused by man'. If you break a branch off a tree that branch is not 'man made'. Once you carve an ornament out of that branch with a knife that ornament is 'man made'.

> > >

> > > Got it?

> >

> > This has got to be one of the most misconceived posts of the year, maybe all time? Now we're talking about breaking branches to prove divots don't warrant a free drop? rotf. It just proves that I am right.

> > o:)

>

> I am not sure if I should laugh of weep or both. You just seem to be plain stupid.

>

> It was you who draw this concept of 'man made' into the discussion and all I was trying to do is to explain to you what is and what is not 'man made'. Divots or divot holes are NOT 'man made' nor are ball-marks or foot prints or branches broken off a tree.

>

> Was that simple enough for you to comprehend or are you still lost between a broken branch and a divot?

 

I don't agree with this. Leaving aside the arguments concerning the maintenance of the course, and assume that the course just exists in nature, surely the hole that is left was not by natures design. Also one could use your own argument of carving an ornament, and say a man carved a beaver pelt from the fairway...

 

I am kind of curious why we get relief from animal holes. They are definitely in my opinion more a part of nature, and play the course as it is than a divot (hole).

[Mikey5e]

> @"Mr. Bean" said:

> > @Mikey5e said:

> > > @"Mr. Bean" said:

> > > > @Mikey5e said:

> > > > > @"Mr. Bean" said:

> > > > > > @Roadking2003 said:

> > > > > > > @nsxguy said:> A fairway and its divots are integral parts of the course.

> > > > > > Divots are man made and not an integral part of the course

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > Divot is man made, huh? What about a footprint, is that also man made? How about a golf course, also man made, huh?

> > > > >

> > > > > You really need to get back to school...

> > > >

> > > > Then why do we repair ball marks on the Green? You just can't apply the rule to some things and not all things. You are very selective in your descriptions of what is and isn't man-made.

> > >

> > > 'Man made' does not mean the same as 'caused by man'. If you break a branch off a tree that branch is not 'man made'. Once you carve an ornament out of that branch with a knife that ornament is 'man made'.

> > >

> > > Got it?

> >

> > This has got to be one of the most misconceived posts of the year, maybe all time? Now we're talking about breaking branches to prove divots don't warrant a free drop? rotf. It just proves that I am right.

> > o:)

>

> Divots or divot holes are NOT 'man made'

 

It's hard to imagine someone actually saying this? Really, then who makes them? sheesh.... and the cow jumped over the moon!

[SNIPERBBB]

> @trilerian said:

> > @"Mr. Bean" said:

> > > @Mikey5e said:

> > > > @"Mr. Bean" said:

> > > > > @Mikey5e said:

> > > > > > @"Mr. Bean" said:

> > > > > > > @Roadking2003 said:

> > > > > > > > @nsxguy said:> A fairway and its divots are integral parts of the course.

> > > > > > > Divots are man made and not an integral part of the course

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > Divot is man made, huh? What about a footprint, is that also man made? How about a golf course, also man made, huh?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You really need to get back to school...

> > > > >

> > > > > Then why do we repair ball marks on the Green? You just can't apply the rule to some things and not all things. You are very selective in your descriptions of what is and isn't man-made.

> > > >

> > > > 'Man made' does not mean the same as 'caused by man'. If you break a branch off a tree that branch is not 'man made'. Once you carve an ornament out of that branch with a knife that ornament is 'man made'.

> > > >

> > > > Got it?

> > >

> > > This has got to be one of the most misconceived posts of the year, maybe all time? Now we're talking about breaking branches to prove divots don't warrant a free drop? rotf. It just proves that I am right.

> > > o:)

> >

> > I am not sure if I should laugh of weep or both. You just seem to be plain stupid.

> >

> > It was you who draw this concept of 'man made' into the discussion and all I was trying to do is to explain to you what is and what is not 'man made'. Divots or divot holes are NOT 'man made' nor are ball-marks or foot prints or branches broken off a tree.

> >

> > Was that simple enough for you to comprehend or are you still lost between a broken branch and a divot?

>

> I don't agree with this. Leaving aside the arguments concerning the maintenance of the course, and assume that the course just exists in nature, surely the hole that is left was not by natures design. Also one could use your own argument of carving an ornament, and say a man carved a beaver pelt from the fairway...

>

> I am kind of curious why we get relief from animal holes. They are definitely in my opinion more a part of nature, and play the course as it is than a divot (hole).

 

Golf courses aren't natural.

 

 

[HitEmTrue]

> @trilerian said:

> I am kind of curious why we get relief from animal holes. They are definitely in my opinion more a part of nature, and play the course as it is than a divot (hole).

 

So you don’t damage the animal’s home.

 

 

[bladehunter]

> @Mikey5e said:

> > @"Mr. Bean" said:

> > > @Mikey5e said:

> > > > @"Mr. Bean" said:

> > > > > @Roadking2003 said:

> > > > > > @nsxguy said:> A fairway and its divots are integral parts of the course.

> > > > > Divots are man made and not an integral part of the course

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > Divot is man made, huh? What about a footprint, is that also man made? How about a golf course, also man made, huh?

> > > >

> > > > You really need to get back to school...

> > >

> > > Then why do we repair ball marks on the Green? You just can't apply the rule to some things and not all things. You are very selective in your descriptions of what is and isn't man-made.

> >

> > 'Man made' does not mean the same as 'caused by man'. If you break a branch off a tree that branch is not 'man made'. Once you carve an ornament out of that branch with a knife that ornament is 'man made'.

> >

> > Got it?

>

> This has got to be one of the most misconceived posts of the year, maybe all time? Now we're talking about breaking branches to prove divots don't warrant a free drop? rotf. It just proves that I am right.

> o:)

 

Right ? Hmmm. How ?

[Newby]

Of course the fairway is man-made. It is created by a man with a machine. I'm not sure where I can take relief but if there is any available I'll take it.

[nsxguy]

> @Mikey5e said:

> > @"Mr. Bean" said:

> > > @Mikey5e said:

> > > > @"Mr. Bean" said:

> > > > > @Mikey5e said:

> > > > > > @"Mr. Bean" said:

> > > > > > > @Roadking2003 said:

> > > > > > > > @nsxguy said:> A fairway and its divots are integral parts of the course.

> > > > > > > Divots are man made and not an integral part of the course

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > Divot is man made, huh? What about a footprint, is that also man made? How about a golf course, also man made, huh?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You really need to get back to school...

> > > > >

> > > > > Then why do we repair ball marks on the Green? You just can't apply the rule to some things and not all things. You are very selective in your descriptions of what is and isn't man-made.

> > > >

> > > > 'Man made' does not mean the same as 'caused by man'. If you break a branch off a tree that branch is not 'man made'. Once you carve an ornament out of that branch with a knife that ornament is 'man made'.

> > > >

> > > > Got it?

> > >

> > > This has got to be one of the most misconceived posts of the year, maybe all time? Now we're talking about breaking branches to prove divots don't warrant a free drop? rotf. It just proves that I am right.

> > > o:)

> >

> > Divots or divot holes are NOT 'man made'

>

> **It's hard to imagine someone actually saying this? Really, then who makes them?** sheesh.... and the cow jumped over the moon!

 

I get that you live to troll this forum but try thinking "outside the box" (for you anyway).

 

Although it can sometimes be a "dangerous" word, try thinking "intent".

 

 

[hybrid25]

Amazing what logic some use to make a point. Everybody knows what the rule is right now concerning divots, and those who play by the rules abide by that particular rule as well. There are no free drops from a divot and I think everybody agrees to that. What some don't agree with, and me as well, is that there isn't a rule allowing a free drop from an unrepaired divot. No, it isn't a natural part of the golf course, similar to how ball marks are not a natural part of a green. How some cannot understand that is beyond me, I just think they like to argue.

[Roadking2003]

> @Mikey5e said:

> I feel like a couple others and myself are the only one's making rational comments in this thread.

That's what irrational people think.

 

[SNIPERBBB]

> @hybrid25 said:

> Amazing what logic some use to make a point. Everybody knows what the rule is right now concerning divots, and those who play by the rules abide by that particular rule as well. There are no free drops from a divot and I think everybody agrees to that. What some don't agree with, and me as well, is that there isn't a rule allowing a free drop from an unrepaired divot. No, it isn't a natural part of the golf course, similar to how ball marks are not a natural part of a green. How some cannot understand that is beyond me, I just think they like to argue.

 

Not sure who you are disagreeing with. We all agree that there isn't a rule allowing divot relief. So are you saying there should be a rule.

[Roadking2003]

> @"Mr. Bean" said:>

> I am not sure if I should laugh of weep or both. You just seem to be plain stupid.

>

> It was you who draw this concept of 'man made' into the discussion and all I was trying to do is to explain to you what is and what is not 'man made'. **Divots or divot holes are NOT 'man made**' nor are ball-marks or foot prints or branches broken off a tree.

>

> Was that simple enough for you to comprehend or are you still lost between a broken branch and a divot?

 

This post is a new low even for you. So you think divots are natural? I wont some of whatever you are smoking.

[Roadking2003]

> @hybrid25 said:

> Amazing what logic some use to make a point. Everybody knows what the rule is right now concerning divots, and those who play by the rules abide by that particular rule as well.

 

We all know the rule. Some of us want to change the rule. That is not amazing at all.

[cval]

The funny part about this thread is how both sides get all worked up over the opposite opinion. Both sides make logical points but the fact is the rule is what it is. If the rules was ever changed would we still have this passionate of debate to change it back?

How about we start a thread titled "fill your **** divot holes".

[nsxguy]

> @SNIPERBBB said:

> > @hybrid25 said:

> > Amazing what logic some use to make a point. Everybody knows what the rule is right now concerning divots, and those who play by the rules abide by that particular rule as well. There are no free drops from a divot and I think everybody agrees to that. **What some don't agree with, and me as well, is that there isn't a rule allowing a free drop from an unrepaired divot. No, it isn't a natural part of the golf course, similar to how ball marks are not a natural part of a green.** How some cannot understand that is beyond me, I just think they like to argue.

>

> Not sure who you are disagreeing with. We all agree that there isn't a rule allowing divot relief. **So are you saying there should be a rule.**

 

I'd suggest there are now "6(?) amigos". LOL