Medical Marijuana

[BiggErn]

> @BlackDiamondPar5 said:

> > @Pepperturbo said:

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> > > > > > > > > > I imagine that, besides professional tournaments, there isn't any testing being done, leaving the door wide open for most others competition for m smokers to do as they wish, because who can stop them? Abusers will be abusers!

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> > > > > > > > > It's true. As mentioned in my first post, this represents an enforcement problem for everyone else except for the pro tours and probably college events. Now for the next questions.

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> > > > > > > > > Why SHOULD there be testing done? A positive test can only show MJ in the system, but it can't show recency as MJ stays in your system for so long. Testing would show nothing. All a committee can do is watch for use before and during the event.

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> > > > > > > > > And finally, Why should "they" be stopped? Have you conducted a study or metastudy of the effect of MJ on your FC's? If not then you are just stating non-facts, and the perceived enhancement of Medial MJ are just as valid, or invalid, as other things like alcohol, or another anti anxiety med or even ibuprofen or acetaminophen.

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> > > > > > > > Drug testing isn't fully understood yet. The cycling profession is fighting with it, still. Like anything, though, with time and clarity enforcement boundaries become clear. Just like in the states where marijuana is legal, they are finding ways to enforce its use, where it can and cannot be purchased, and when it shouldn't be used, like not behind the wheel.

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> > > > > > > > Why testing? Whether use was yesterday, this morning or in the locker room before teeing off, the PGA and other tour rules regarding drugs are based on what the Federal Gov't stipulates as illegal. Citizens don't need to conduct a study to say something is illegal or wrong and using it is wrong.

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> > > > > > > > I am connected to the medical profession, as a result, reports are slowly coming forth saying long and short term studies are showing the drug’s adverse effects, both acute and chronic with chronic showing serious issues as a result of extended use of the more powerful clinical marijuana. Check this link- [https://is.gd/gp6XOk] Soon the truth will be known. Derivatives may still have value but the random use of clinical marijuana will see changes.

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> > > > > > > > Anyhow, when it was discovered that some PGA tour players were using cocaine they were not using during the tournament. The drug test showed them to still have the drug in their system, had nothing to do with when they used, least that's my understanding.

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> > > > > > > Of course know what tours say. They have the administrative power to do such things. I was asking OP about other events. Nobody is about to start testing for your Club Champ. No committee is going to watchdog that type of thing closely. What they are left with is catching someone in the act, and that s IF they have a policy regarding its (prescribed) use. And I wasn't exactly sure what he was getting at with the abusers comment.

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> > > > > > > Federal and State Legality has been beat up good in this thread so I''ll just leave it alone.

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> > > > > > Sounds like you are saying if you get away with it then it's OK. If the committee prohibits something, that should be enough. I don't imagine anyone condoning kicking you ball out of the rough if you could get away with it. Or is there a different standard?

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> > > > > I'm not aware of alcohol being prohibited by players for any club or local tournament unless the organization falls under the PGA Tour (or LPGA) tour. If alcohol not prohibited then M(provided its locally legal) there should be no discrimination against M.

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> > > > Most tournaments do not have the facilities to monitor drug use. one issue is that many people take all sorts of medications, so how can the usga deal with all of it?

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> > > My point is that if you're allowed to drink beer during a tournament, provided M is legal in your state and not prohibited from the grounds by the club, then why would M be treated any differently than booze during the tournament? It shouldn't be.

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> > I have never played in a legit club or amateur tournament where beer or liquor are acceptable beverages during competition. Policing hasn't ever been an issue either since the game is based on player trust. I suppose that's changing and becoming a problem given drug users are not trustworthy. Last and more important, arguing theory is a waste as it has no bearing on reality. Have a good day.

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> I'm not arguing theory. I've played in many member - guests and beer was always during the round. So it is these events I'm specifically referring. Most players are serious enough to consume alcohol lightly, so therefore I'm not sure why M would be treated any differently if legal in that locality? That's my point and it's not theory. It's my question.

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> Also If your implication is that M users are somehow less trustworthy than their non M using peers, that just doesn't reconcile with any reality I've observed.

 

It’s way more acceptable to drink a beer in that setting than puff on a j. If you’re ingesting another way I don’t think anyone would know or care.

[Dpavs]

> @BiggErn said:

> > @Dpavs said:

> > Man, this thread is stressful and causes anxiety, thankfully we know how to handle that now.

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> Maalox?

 

From my memory that was usually about 4-5 hours later, somewhere after the pizza and white castle hamburgers but before the donuts.

[Vindog]

> @cxx said:

> > @Vindog said:

> > > @Pepperturbo said:

> > > > @Vindog said:

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> > > > > @Mikey5e said:

> > > > > I imagine that, besides professional tournaments, there isn't any testing being done, leaving the door wide open for most others competition for m smokers to do as they wish, because who can stop them? Abusers will be abusers!

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > It's true. As mentioned in my first post, this represents an enforcement problem for everyone else except for the pro tours and probably college events. Now for the next questions.

> > > >

> > > > Why SHOULD there be testing done? A positive test can only show MJ in the system, but it can't show recency as MJ stays in your system for so long. Testing would show nothing. All a committee can do is watch for use before and during the event.

> > > >

> > > > And finally, Why should "they" be stopped? Have you conducted a study or metastudy of the effect of MJ on your FC's? If not then you are just stating non-facts, and the perceived enhancement of Medial MJ are just as valid, or invalid, as other things like alcohol, or another anti anxiety med or even ibuprofen or acetaminophen.

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> > > Drug testing isn't fully understood yet. The cycling profession is fighting with it, still. Like anything, though, with time and clarity enforcement boundaries become clear. Just like in the states where marijuana is legal, they are finding ways to enforce its use, where it can and cannot be purchased, and when it shouldn't be used, like not behind the wheel.

> > >

> > > Why testing? Whether use was yesterday, this morning or in the locker room before teeing off, the PGA and other tour rules regarding drugs are based on what the Federal Gov't stipulates as illegal. Citizens don't need to conduct a study to say something is illegal or wrong and using it is wrong.

> > >

> > > I am connected to the medical profession, as a result, reports are slowly coming forth saying long and short term studies are showing the drug’s adverse effects, both acute and chronic with chronic showing serious issues as a result of extended use of the more powerful clinical marijuana. Check this link- [https://is.gd/gp6XOk] Soon the truth will be known. Derivatives may still have value but the random use of clinical marijuana will see changes.

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> > > Anyhow, when it was discovered that some PGA tour players were using cocaine they were not using during the tournament. The drug test showed them to still have the drug in their system, had nothing to do with when they used, least that's my understanding.

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> > Of course know what tours say. They have the administrative power to do such things. I was asking OP about other events. Nobody is about to start testing for your Club Champ. No committee is going to watchdog that type of thing closely. What they are left with is catching someone in the act, and that s IF they have a policy regarding its (prescribed) use. And I wasn't exactly sure what he was getting at with the abusers comment.

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> > Federal and State Legality has been beat up good in this thread so I''ll just leave it alone.

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> Sounds like you are saying if you get away with it then it's OK. If the committee prohibits something, that should be enough. I don't imagine anyone condoning kicking you ball out of the rough if you could get away with it. Or is there a different standard?

 

That's not at all what I'm saying.

[Vindog]

> @Pepperturbo said:

> > @lawsonman said:

> > Drug users are not trust worthy? I smoked pot from the mid 60's until about 1983. Not once did I miss work or was even late because of pot. You paint with a broad brush pepper.

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> Not really - you just personalized without looking at the bigger picture of users. In every segment there are exceptions but they don't make the rule. I watched a buddy become a successful VP while using MJ then quietly evolved into using other drugs that friends were unaware of, then stole money from his employer and ended in prison. I know more about the drug culture than I share here, not to mention my LE buddies. It's not a pretty population segment.

 

 

 

It's true. I also know plenty of people who lost their way when they rose far up the ladder. I attributed it to the lifestyle and the freedom, because they weren't raging alcoholics beforehand, and cocaine was a little out of reach when at the bottom. Not so much at the top. Business trips with no checks and balances. Vendors, clients, and potential clients taking them out, or getting taken out. Connections in various cities. Less people overseeing you.

 

But those are just my observations.

[MadGolfer76]

> @LeoLeo99 said:

> > @MadGolfer76 said:

> > Maybe an unpopular thing to share (and I apologize in advance as I don't mean to sound judgmental), but I find the need for marijuana use to manage anxiety very weak. Chronic pain? Okay, fine. But, if you need a puff in order to make it through a competitive round, I could probably just as easily shake you with a few well placed words or uncomfortable mannerisms (not that I would, just saying). Why not focus on building up some resilience and self control while playing golf rather than relying on something external? Isn't that all part of competition? Or, life, for that matter?

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> Former Jets wide receiver Percy Harvin admitted he smoked marijuana before every game he played in the NFL in a video published by Bleacher Report on Wednesday. He did so to self-medicate as he combatted anxiety, he said.

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> “There’s not a game – there’s not a game I played that I wasn’t high,” Harvin told Bleacher Report. “And that’s what I kind of want the world to see today, is it’s not a stigma and people doing it and getting into a whole bunch of trouble. It’s just people that’s just living regular life that just got deficiencies or maybe just want to enjoy themselves. It’s a natural way to do so.”

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> Harvin, who was never suspended by the NFL for violating the league’s substance abuse policy, was diagnosed with anxiety during his playing days and prescribed seven different medications during that stretch, but he said marijuana was the only thing that worked.

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"Only thing that worked."

 

So what else did he try? Relaxation techniques, therapy, engaging his teammates for help, support group? People who say things like "nothing else worked" in my experience never really try all the options. They want a quick fix for a problem. (Pun not intended).

 

 

[LeoLeo99]

> @MadGolfer76 said:

> > @LeoLeo99 said:

> > > @MadGolfer76 said:

> > > Maybe an unpopular thing to share (and I apologize in advance as I don't mean to sound judgmental), but I find the need for marijuana use to manage anxiety very weak. Chronic pain? Okay, fine. But, if you need a puff in order to make it through a competitive round, I could probably just as easily shake you with a few well placed words or uncomfortable mannerisms (not that I would, just saying). Why not focus on building up some resilience and self control while playing golf rather than relying on something external? Isn't that all part of competition? Or, life, for that matter?

> >

> > Former Jets wide receiver Percy Harvin admitted he smoked marijuana before every game he played in the NFL in a video published by Bleacher Report on Wednesday. He did so to self-medicate as he combatted anxiety, he said.

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> > “There’s not a game – there’s not a game I played that I wasn’t high,” Harvin told Bleacher Report. “And that’s what I kind of want the world to see today, is it’s not a stigma and people doing it and getting into a whole bunch of trouble. It’s just people that’s just living regular life that just got deficiencies or maybe just want to enjoy themselves. It’s a natural way to do so.”

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> > Harvin, who was never suspended by the NFL for violating the league’s substance abuse policy, was diagnosed with anxiety during his playing days and prescribed seven different medications during that stretch, but he said marijuana was the only thing that worked.

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> "Only thing that worked."

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> So what else did he try? Relaxation techniques, therapy, engaging his teammates for help, support group? People who say things like "nothing else worked" in my experience never really try all the options. They want a quick fix for a problem. (Pun not intended).

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You're moving goal posts. Maybe you should reach out to Mr. Harvin and tell him he's weak mentally and you could shake him with a few well placed words or mannerisms. Seems you are just being negative about Mr. Harvin's experience.

[Roadking2003]

> @Pepperturbo said:

> I don't drink any form of alcohol during any competition or sport and won't support drugs or alcohol used by anyone in a "competition." Fact, nobody worth their salt uses drugs to control stress; they use self-control and exercise.

 

And yet that's what Rich Beam did when he won a major.

 

 

[Big Ben]

> @MadGolfer76 said:

> > @LeoLeo99 said:

> > > @MadGolfer76 said:

> > > Maybe an unpopular thing to share (and I apologize in advance as I don't mean to sound judgmental), but I find the need for marijuana use to manage anxiety very weak. Chronic pain? Okay, fine. But, if you need a puff in order to make it through a competitive round, I could probably just as easily shake you with a few well placed words or uncomfortable mannerisms (not that I would, just saying). Why not focus on building up some resilience and self control while playing golf rather than relying on something external? Isn't that all part of competition? Or, life, for that matter?

> >

> > Former Jets wide receiver Percy Harvin admitted he smoked marijuana before every game he played in the NFL in a video published by Bleacher Report on Wednesday. He did so to self-medicate as he combatted anxiety, he said.

> >

> > “There’s not a game – there’s not a game I played that I wasn’t high,” Harvin told Bleacher Report. “And that’s what I kind of want the world to see today, is it’s not a stigma and people doing it and getting into a whole bunch of trouble. It’s just people that’s just living regular life that just got deficiencies or maybe just want to enjoy themselves. It’s a natural way to do so.”

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> > Harvin, who was never suspended by the NFL for violating the league’s substance abuse policy, was diagnosed with anxiety during his playing days and prescribed seven different medications during that stretch, but he said marijuana was the only thing that worked.

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> "Only thing that worked."

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> So what else did he try? Relaxation techniques, therapy, engaging his teammates for help, support group? People who say things like "nothing else worked" in my experience never really try all the options. They want a quick fix for a problem. (Pun not intended).

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I hope you never struggle with real anxiety, it’s not what you think it is trust me. It’s brutal when it flares up. It’s a chemical imbalance in your brain not as simple as asking for support or relaxation.

[Dpavs]

> @Roadking2003 said:

> > @Pepperturbo said:

> > I don't drink any form of alcohol during any competition or sport and won't support drugs or alcohol used by anyone in a "competition." Fact, nobody worth their salt uses drugs to control stress; they use self-control and exercise.

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> And yet that's what Rich Beam did when he won a major.

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Was his brother Jim helping out that day?

[Dpavs]

> @"Big Ben" said:

> > @MadGolfer76 said:

> > > @LeoLeo99 said:

> > > > @MadGolfer76 said:

> > > > Maybe an unpopular thing to share (and I apologize in advance as I don't mean to sound judgmental), but I find the need for marijuana use to manage anxiety very weak. Chronic pain? Okay, fine. But, if you need a puff in order to make it through a competitive round, I could probably just as easily shake you with a few well placed words or uncomfortable mannerisms (not that I would, just saying). Why not focus on building up some resilience and self control while playing golf rather than relying on something external? Isn't that all part of competition? Or, life, for that matter?

> > >

> > > Former Jets wide receiver Percy Harvin admitted he smoked marijuana before every game he played in the NFL in a video published by Bleacher Report on Wednesday. He did so to self-medicate as he combatted anxiety, he said.

> > >

> > > “There’s not a game – there’s not a game I played that I wasn’t high,” Harvin told Bleacher Report. “And that’s what I kind of want the world to see today, is it’s not a stigma and people doing it and getting into a whole bunch of trouble. It’s just people that’s just living regular life that just got deficiencies or maybe just want to enjoy themselves. It’s a natural way to do so.”

> > >

> > > Harvin, who was never suspended by the NFL for violating the league’s substance abuse policy, was diagnosed with anxiety during his playing days and prescribed seven different medications during that stretch, but he said marijuana was the only thing that worked.

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> > "Only thing that worked."

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> > So what else did he try? Relaxation techniques, therapy, engaging his teammates for help, support group? People who say things like "nothing else worked" in my experience never really try all the options. They want a quick fix for a problem. (Pun not intended).

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> I hope you never struggle with real anxiety, it’s not what you think it is trust me. It’s brutal when it flares up. It’s a chemical imbalance in your brain not as simple as asking for support or relaxation.

 

Oh man yeah this, if you've never dealt with someone having one or haven't experienced it for yourself.. you probalby have no idea what a severe anxiety attack is really like. It's much worse than what most people probably think it is.

[Pepperturbo]

> @lwestby said:0

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> > I have never played in a legit club or amateur tournament where beer or liquor are acceptable beverages during competition. Policing hasn't ever been an issue either since the game is based on player trust. I suppose that's changing and becoming a problem given drug users are not trustworthy. Last and more important, arguing theory is a waste as it has no bearing on reality. Have a good day.

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> I have never played in a club tournament where alcohol wasn't acceptable. In fact the beer carts do very good business.

 

I was talking about a real tournament. At my last two private clubs, we had carts on the course that had booze but NO ONE got drunk, least that leadership or I was aware of. I have played in what you're calling a tournament, men's club events at muni courses. Played in one a few months back. Those are not about good golf but camaraderie and bull-sh**** and sandbagging. LOL

 

And let's be real. A few tokes of strong modern medical MJ is nothing like MJ from 1969 which I tried. Today's MJ puts most casual users into such a zone LE doesn't want them driving as it's just as bad as being drunk; daily dopers are another story. A few beers do nothing of the kind. Nobody takes one toke. Have a good day

[Pepperturbo]

> @"Crazy About Golf" said:

> > @fore_life said:

> > Also I wish the anti dopers would be more transparent and just come out and say that they don’t like minorities

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> You had to go there, didn't you? Pathetic.

 

I agree, pitiful bias.

[Krt22]

> @Pepperturbo said:

> > @lwestby said:0

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> > > I have never played in a legit club or amateur tournament where beer or liquor are acceptable beverages during competition. Policing hasn't ever been an issue either since the game is based on player trust. I suppose that's changing and becoming a problem given drug users are not trustworthy. Last and more important, arguing theory is a waste as it has no bearing on reality. Have a good day.

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> > I have never played in a club tournament where alcohol wasn't acceptable. In fact the beer carts do very good business.

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> I was talking about a real tournament. At my last two private clubs, we had carts on the course that had booze but NO ONE got drunk, least that leadership or I was aware of. I have played in what you're calling a tournament, men's club events at muni courses. Played in one a few months back. Those are not about good golf but camaraderie and bull-sh**** and sandbagging. LOL

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> And let's be real. A few tokes of strong modern medical MJ is nothing like MJ from 1969 which I tried. Today's MJ puts most casual users into such a zone LE doesn't want them driving as it's just as bad as being drunk; daily dopers are another story. A few beers do nothing of the kind. Nobody takes one toke. Have a good day

 

Your opinion is completely off base

[Pepperturbo]

> @Krt22 said:

> > @Pepperturbo said:

> > > @lwestby said:0

> > >

> > > > I have never played in a legit club or amateur tournament where beer or liquor are acceptable beverages during competition. Policing hasn't ever been an issue either since the game is based on player trust. I suppose that's changing and becoming a problem given drug users are not trustworthy. Last and more important, arguing theory is a waste as it has no bearing on reality. Have a good day.

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> > > I have never played in a club tournament where alcohol wasn't acceptable. In fact the beer carts do very good business.

> >

> > I was talking about a real tournament. At my last two private clubs, we had carts on the course that had booze but NO ONE got drunk, least that leadership or I was aware of. I have played in what you're calling a tournament, men's club events at muni courses. Played in one a few months back. Those are not about good golf but camaraderie and bull-sh**** and sandbagging. LOL

> >

> > And let's be real. A few tokes of strong modern medical MJ is nothing like MJ from 1969 which I tried. Today's MJ puts most casual users into such a zone LE doesn't want them driving as it's just as bad as being drunk; daily dopers are another story. A few beers do nothing of the kind. Nobody takes one toke. Have a good day

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> Your opinion is completely off base

 

Sorry, but you're not an authority you just don't like my opinion. My opinion is based on what I have seen, what I know from law enforcement buddies and medical colleagues that have studied the subject. Also, knowledge of legalities and research surrounding MJ dispensaries in CA. Anyhow, have a good day.

[Krt22]

> @Pepperturbo said:

> > @Krt22 said:

> > > @Pepperturbo said:

> > > > @lwestby said:0

> > > >

> > > > > I have never played in a legit club or amateur tournament where beer or liquor are acceptable beverages during competition. Policing hasn't ever been an issue either since the game is based on player trust. I suppose that's changing and becoming a problem given drug users are not trustworthy. Last and more important, arguing theory is a waste as it has no bearing on reality. Have a good day.

> > > >

> > > > I have never played in a club tournament where alcohol wasn't acceptable. In fact the beer carts do very good business.

> > >

> > > I was talking about a real tournament. At my last two private clubs, we had carts on the course that had booze but NO ONE got drunk, least that leadership or I was aware of. I have played in what you're calling a tournament, men's club events at muni courses. Played in one a few months back. Those are not about good golf but camaraderie and bull-sh**** and sandbagging. LOL

> > >

> > > And let's be real. A few tokes of strong modern medical MJ is nothing like MJ from 1969 which I tried. Today's MJ puts most casual users into such a zone LE doesn't want them driving as it's just as bad as being drunk; daily dopers are another story. A few beers do nothing of the kind. Nobody takes one toke. Have a good day

> >

> > Your opinion is completely off base

>

> Sorry, but you're not an authority you just don't like my opinion. My opinion is based on what I have seen, what I know from law enforcement buddies and medical colleagues that have studied the subject. Also, knowledge of legalities and research surrounding MJ dispensaries in CA. Anyhow, have a good day.

 

Sorry, but are not an authority of any kind either, your post is pure conjecture/opinion, not at all fact based. Marijuanna (at least in CA) is regulated, the concentration is stated, so it is no different than alcohol, the notion that you can take one toke and become completely impaired is laughable. For the one person you said you know it occured, I can pin point 100 that could be under the influence without you ever even knowing. You can say "nobody takes one toke" and I can just as easily say "nobody drinks just one beer". And there are plenty of people who can "drink a few beers" and become completely impaired (and in there case it's measurable/quantifiable)

 

It's one thing to debate the legality or potential "performance enhancing" attributes of substance, but let's not get into these bogey man stories or try to fool others into thinking that alcohol consumption is someone less dangerous

[LeoLeo99]

> @Krt22 said:

> > @Pepperturbo said:

> > > @lwestby said:0

> > >

> > > > I have never played in a legit club or amateur tournament where beer or liquor are acceptable beverages during competition. Policing hasn't ever been an issue either since the game is based on player trust. I suppose that's changing and becoming a problem given drug users are not trustworthy. Last and more important, arguing theory is a waste as it has no bearing on reality. Have a good day.

> > >

> > > I have never played in a club tournament where alcohol wasn't acceptable. In fact the beer carts do very good business.

> >

> > I was talking about a real tournament. At my last two private clubs, we had carts on the course that had booze but NO ONE got drunk, least that leadership or I was aware of. I have played in what you're calling a tournament, men's club events at muni courses. Played in one a few months back. Those are not about good golf but camaraderie and bull-sh**** and sandbagging. LOL

> >

> > And let's be real. A few tokes of strong modern medical MJ is nothing like MJ from 1969 which I tried. Today's MJ puts most casual users into such a zone LE doesn't want them driving as it's just as bad as being drunk; daily dopers are another story. A few beers do nothing of the kind. Nobody takes one toke. Have a good day

>

> Your opinion is completely off base

 

Funny and off base. No one takes one toke. That's like saying no one drinks one beer. When law enforcement gets involved, it's when people have had too much too soon. Law enforcement doesn't come into contact with the responsible folks. Their experience is biased.

[Krt22]

> @LeoLeo99 said:

> > @Krt22 said:

> > > @Pepperturbo said:

> > > > @lwestby said:0

> > > >

> > > > > I have never played in a legit club or amateur tournament where beer or liquor are acceptable beverages during competition. Policing hasn't ever been an issue either since the game is based on player trust. I suppose that's changing and becoming a problem given drug users are not trustworthy. Last and more important, arguing theory is a waste as it has no bearing on reality. Have a good day.

> > > >

> > > > I have never played in a club tournament where alcohol wasn't acceptable. In fact the beer carts do very good business.

> > >

> > > I was talking about a real tournament. At my last two private clubs, we had carts on the course that had booze but NO ONE got drunk, least that leadership or I was aware of. I have played in what you're calling a tournament, men's club events at muni courses. Played in one a few months back. Those are not about good golf but camaraderie and bull-sh**** and sandbagging. LOL

> > >

> > > And let's be real. A few tokes of strong modern medical MJ is nothing like MJ from 1969 which I tried. Today's MJ puts most casual users into such a zone LE doesn't want them driving as it's just as bad as being drunk; daily dopers are another story. A few beers do nothing of the kind. Nobody takes one toke. Have a good day

> >

> > Your opinion is completely off base

>

> Funny and off base. No one takes one toke. That's like saying no one drinks one beer. When law enforcement gets involved, it's when people have had too much too soon. Law enforcement doesn't come into contact with the responsible folks. Their experience is biased.

 

Exactly, and many of folks who do may partake in a recreational manner, tend to do so in social settings where they are very likely already under the influence of alcohol

 

And great point about contact with LEOs

[Big Ben]

During booze proabition im sure people felt the same. The reality is society regardless of class will always find ways to tickle there fancy. It’s just reality, I would assume and sincerely hope most of those people are responsible citizens who care about rules, family etc etc.

[bladehunter]

> @LeoLeo99 said:

> > @Krt22 said:

> > > @Pepperturbo said:

> > > > @lwestby said:0

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> > > > > I have never played in a legit club or amateur tournament where beer or liquor are acceptable beverages during competition. Policing hasn't ever been an issue either since the game is based on player trust. I suppose that's changing and becoming a problem given drug users are not trustworthy. Last and more important, arguing theory is a waste as it has no bearing on reality. Have a good day.

> > > >

> > > > I have never played in a club tournament where alcohol wasn't acceptable. In fact the beer carts do very good business.

> > >

> > > I was talking about a real tournament. At my last two private clubs, we had carts on the course that had booze but NO ONE got drunk, least that leadership or I was aware of. I have played in what you're calling a tournament, men's club events at muni courses. Played in one a few months back. Those are not about good golf but camaraderie and bull-sh**** and sandbagging. LOL

> > >

> > > And let's be real. A few tokes of strong modern medical MJ is nothing like MJ from 1969 which I tried. Today's MJ puts most casual users into such a zone LE doesn't want them driving as it's just as bad as being drunk; daily dopers are another story. A few beers do nothing of the kind. Nobody takes one toke. Have a good day

> >

> > Your opinion is completely off base

>

> Funny and off base. No one takes one toke. That's like saying no one drinks one beer. When law enforcement gets involved, it's when people have had too much too soon. Law enforcement doesn't come into contact with the responsible folks. Their experience is biased.

 

In theory yes.

 

But. Try being the square peg born to outlaws. Always guilty until proven innocent. I’ve been pulled out of the car twice for “ drug paraphernalia “. Once it was a single edged razor blade in my ashtray. ( I paint and any body who masks things off always has a box full ) Which was fulll of change. Next time was a plastic bottle cap in the same ashtray. Still full of change. Why was I stopped ? I call it driving in greer S.C. while being a Hall. As in they run my plate and see the name and lights come on. Funny part is I’ve never once even smoked a cigarette much less pot or cocaine . Seen way too much of it ( drugs and smoking ) to ruin my athletic career in school etc. Both times I was searched , harassed ( accused of doing or selling drugs ) and then after my license came back clean as a newborns ass they stammer about a bit and then say “ well.... get on home now , and slow down .....”. When no speeding was ever mentioned. The second cop didn’t even say that. He threw my license at me as he sped off. If I’m lyin I’m dyin. Did I call anyone ? Nope. What’s a 17-18 year old kid going to do by himself pre social media and cell phone video days ?

 

 

 

Post isn’t meant to bash all cops. But we have to be careful ( myself especially ) when speaking in absolutes. I’ve always been a responsible sort. Since around age 14 I’ve been responsible for myself. And I can fill 2 more posts with times that cops have threatened and harassed me. I’m talking real threats. And I have zero criminal record aside from speeding tickets and it’s been 4-5 years since Last one of those. We responsible squares deal with cops plenty. And my view is quite clear on how it works.

[MadGolfer76]

> @"Big Ben" said:

> > @MadGolfer76 said:

> > > @LeoLeo99 said:

> > > > @MadGolfer76 said:

> > > > Maybe an unpopular thing to share (and I apologize in advance as I don't mean to sound judgmental), but I find the need for marijuana use to manage anxiety very weak. Chronic pain? Okay, fine. But, if you need a puff in order to make it through a competitive round, I could probably just as easily shake you with a few well placed words or uncomfortable mannerisms (not that I would, just saying). Why not focus on building up some resilience and self control while playing golf rather than relying on something external? Isn't that all part of competition? Or, life, for that matter?

> > >

> > > Former Jets wide receiver Percy Harvin admitted he smoked marijuana before every game he played in the NFL in a video published by Bleacher Report on Wednesday. He did so to self-medicate as he combatted anxiety, he said.

> > >

> > > “There’s not a game – there’s not a game I played that I wasn’t high,” Harvin told Bleacher Report. “And that’s what I kind of want the world to see today, is it’s not a stigma and people doing it and getting into a whole bunch of trouble. It’s just people that’s just living regular life that just got deficiencies or maybe just want to enjoy themselves. It’s a natural way to do so.”

> > >

> > > Harvin, who was never suspended by the NFL for violating the league’s substance abuse policy, was diagnosed with anxiety during his playing days and prescribed seven different medications during that stretch, but he said marijuana was the only thing that worked.

> > >

> > >

> >

> > "Only thing that worked."

> >

> > So what else did he try? Relaxation techniques, therapy, engaging his teammates for help, support group? People who say things like "nothing else worked" in my experience never really try all the options. They want a quick fix for a problem. (Pun not intended).

> >

> >

>

> I hope you never struggle with real anxiety, it’s not what you think it is trust me. It’s brutal when it flares up. It’s a chemical imbalance in your brain not as simple as asking for support or relaxation.

 

The issue I have isn't with anxiety - I've had panic attacks and have been medicated for long periods due to anxiety before. My issue is relying on illegal substances to deal with it. The choice I eventually made *for myself* was not to rely on _any_ substances to deal with it. That is my point - it can be done with the proper resolve. If you don't take steps to desensitize yourself to the conditions that cause those reactions, they will rule you all your life.

[MadGolfer76]

> @LeoLeo99 said:

> > @MadGolfer76 said:

> > > @LeoLeo99 said:

> > > > @MadGolfer76 said:

> > > > Maybe an unpopular thing to share (and I apologize in advance as I don't mean to sound judgmental), but I find the need for marijuana use to manage anxiety very weak. Chronic pain? Okay, fine. But, if you need a puff in order to make it through a competitive round, I could probably just as easily shake you with a few well placed words or uncomfortable mannerisms (not that I would, just saying). Why not focus on building up some resilience and self control while playing golf rather than relying on something external? Isn't that all part of competition? Or, life, for that matter?

> > >

> > > Former Jets wide receiver Percy Harvin admitted he smoked marijuana before every game he played in the NFL in a video published by Bleacher Report on Wednesday. He did so to self-medicate as he combatted anxiety, he said.

> > >

> > > “There’s not a game – there’s not a game I played that I wasn’t high,” Harvin told Bleacher Report. “And that’s what I kind of want the world to see today, is it’s not a stigma and people doing it and getting into a whole bunch of trouble. It’s just people that’s just living regular life that just got deficiencies or maybe just want to enjoy themselves. It’s a natural way to do so.”

> > >

> > > Harvin, who was never suspended by the NFL for violating the league’s substance abuse policy, was diagnosed with anxiety during his playing days and prescribed seven different medications during that stretch, but he said marijuana was the only thing that worked.

> > >

> > >

> >

> > "Only thing that worked."

> >

> > So what else did he try? Relaxation techniques, therapy, engaging his teammates for help, support group? People who say things like "nothing else worked" in my experience never really try all the options. They want a quick fix for a problem. (Pun not intended).

> >

> >

>

> You're moving goal posts. Maybe you should reach out to Mr. Harvin and tell him he's weak mentally and you could shake him with a few well placed words or mannerisms. Seems you are just being negative about Mr. Harvin's experience.

 

I'm being skeptical, not negative. And I'm too lazy to move goal posts....

[bladehunter]

> @MadGolfer76 said:

> > @"Big Ben" said:

> > > @MadGolfer76 said:

> > > > @LeoLeo99 said:

> > > > > @MadGolfer76 said:

> > > > > Maybe an unpopular thing to share (and I apologize in advance as I don't mean to sound judgmental), but I find the need for marijuana use to manage anxiety very weak. Chronic pain? Okay, fine. But, if you need a puff in order to make it through a competitive round, I could probably just as easily shake you with a few well placed words or uncomfortable mannerisms (not that I would, just saying). Why not focus on building up some resilience and self control while playing golf rather than relying on something external? Isn't that all part of competition? Or, life, for that matter?

> > > >

> > > > Former Jets wide receiver Percy Harvin admitted he smoked marijuana before every game he played in the NFL in a video published by Bleacher Report on Wednesday. He did so to self-medicate as he combatted anxiety, he said.

> > > >

> > > > “There’s not a game – there’s not a game I played that I wasn’t high,” Harvin told Bleacher Report. “And that’s what I kind of want the world to see today, is it’s not a stigma and people doing it and getting into a whole bunch of trouble. It’s just people that’s just living regular life that just got deficiencies or maybe just want to enjoy themselves. It’s a natural way to do so.”

> > > >

> > > > Harvin, who was never suspended by the NFL for violating the league’s substance abuse policy, was diagnosed with anxiety during his playing days and prescribed seven different medications during that stretch, but he said marijuana was the only thing that worked.

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > "Only thing that worked."

> > >

> > > So what else did he try? Relaxation techniques, therapy, engaging his teammates for help, support group? People who say things like "nothing else worked" in my experience never really try all the options. They want a quick fix for a problem. (Pun not intended).

> > >

> > >

> >

> > I hope you never struggle with real anxiety, it’s not what you think it is trust me. It’s brutal when it flares up. It’s a chemical imbalance in your brain not as simple as asking for support or relaxation.

>

> The issue I have isn't with anxiety - I've had panic attacks and have been medicated for long periods due to anxiety before. My issue is relying on illegal substances to deal with it. The choice I eventually made *for myself* was not to rely on _any_ substances to deal with it. That is my point - it can be done with the proper resolve. If you don't take steps to desensitize yourself to the conditions that cause those reactions, they will rule you all your life.

 

Great post Mad.

 

I almost said same. I’m a combo of OCD and anxiety rolled into a ball. I have good days and bad. Bad days aren’t good. Not in the obvious sense. I just mean I can go to dark places. Worry about everything or nothing etc. and I actually am quite acutely aware of the chemical imbalance at the time. It’s a manic type episode at times where I just cannot stop obsessing about something , or am avoiding someone or something at all costs. Here’s the thing. If you learn to overcome these things you can learn to release other chemicals that will balance you out. You have all the ingredients.

 

I didn’t even know I was experiencing these things , or more accurately that it wasn’t normal until well after I was grown , married and started a business. I’d have days at work where I’d just lock the shop door and refuse to open it. Losing business along the way. Why ? I just couldn’t handle speaking to anyone. Why ? No particular reason. Just a bad day. In hindsight. That was way out there. Close a business up and hear people knocking and hide. Yep. That was me. I was working. But I wanted to be left alone. It got to where if certain customers called , I’d see their number and break out into a sweat. And would not answer. For no reason at all. Finally I got the reputation of being a flighty communicator but sought after builder , as in people started telling me “ I hear you’re hard to deal with but your work is excellent “. That woke me up. I didn’t like it. Had a long talk with my wife , who is very blunt ( which I need ) and we got to the bottom of it.

 

A couple customers who I had thought were friends had really screwed me over , and at that point I stopped wanting to interact at all. As in I didn’t trust potential customers and the anxiety that came with that was too much. She convinced me to stop trying to be friends with everyone. ( sounds bad ) and to only be friends with those that earn it. Don’t give them the power before they earn it sort of thing. It goes against my nature. But it works. That week I started charging more an hour , and learned to say no. A lot. I turned down people who I didn’t like and made room for more repeat work for those I did like. And I’ve never regretted it. Was a long process and harsh learning curve.

 

May sound like no big deal. But I could easily have lost a business due to anxiety and internalizing all that instead of it still being running 16 years later.

 

Back around to the point. I cannot imagine being medicated for it. Being numb isn’t the answer ( for me ). Meeting it head on and fixing the thinking was the answer. And let me tell you It wasn’t and isn’t easy. I fight it everyday.

 

I make ( yes make ) myself answer the phone each time , and still to this day have loads of trouble communicating with most people. I hate crowds , and avoid functions with them like the plague. But. If I must be at a crowded spot. I just prepare myself for the task. Think of It as a Task to complete and feel relief when it’s over and I’m back home. I use this thought as a guide . “ will it kill you “? As in if it’s not life or death I can make it through. I’m sure it’s also not normal to compare mundane interactions to life threatening situations. But that’s what you do in a debilitating situation to snap your Brain out of it. You can get control of it if you’re strong enough.

 

I don’t know how that all qualifies on the spectrum. But I assure you it’s not a pretty sight in my head while mid episode. Just say no kids. Lol.

[Mikey5e]

I think many could sympathize with people who deal with anxiety, panic attacks, OCD, etc. Just the same, I think we are getting a bit off track of the medical marijuana issue. Maybe we need to reconsider the context of what we are posting?

[bladehunter]

> @Mikey5e said:

> I think many could sympathize with people who deal with anxiety, panic attacks, OCD, etc. Just the same, I think we are getting a bit off track of the medical marijuana issue. Maybe we need to reconsider the context of what we are posting?

 

 

Sure. In context of golf I’ll add.

 

I chose to start this game 5 years ago as an outlet for getting past some of this and have realized recently that it’s helped me overcome a lot of my anxiety issues. As in it’s a confidence pool to now draw from. Tournament golf forces you to meet a lot of these things head on. And learn to deal with them. It’s taken a lot of work to go from being too introverted to ask to join a group on Saturday morning 5 years ago , to playing in my first USGA mid-am qualifier this year while not knowing a soul there. Was a huge thing for me. And I played well to boot on a long hard course , just needed putts to fall and I might have qualified. ( a whole other story lol).

 

To the point. Why should someone else be able to just get high and hide ? Zone out and use that to compete ? It’s my opinion , and I’m sure an unpopular one , but guys use alcohol for the same purpose. It’s a rock to hide behind.

 

 

 

[MadGolfer76]

> @bladehunter said:

> > @Mikey5e said:

> > I think many could sympathize with people who deal with anxiety, panic attacks, OCD, etc. Just the same, I think we are getting a bit off track of the medical marijuana issue. Maybe we need to reconsider the context of what we are posting?

>

>

> Sure. In context of golf I’ll add.

>

> I chose to start this game 5 years ago as an outlet for getting past some of this and have realized recently that it’s helped me overcome a lot of my anxiety issues. As in it’s a confidence pool to now draw from. Tournament golf forces you to meet a lot of these things head on. And learn to deal with them. It’s taken a lot of work to go from being too introverted to ask to join a group on Saturday morning 5 years ago , to playing in my first USGA mid-am qualifier this year while not knowing a soul there. Was a huge thing for me. And I played well to boot on a long hard course , just needed putts to fall and I might have qualified. ( a whole other story lol).

>

> To the point. Why should someone else be able to just get high and hide ? Zone out and use that to compete ? It’s my opinion , and I’m sure an unpopular one , but guys use alcohol for the same purpose. It’s a rock to hide behind.

>

>

>

 

I agree. I won't respond to your other post, but I appreciate you sharing that.

 

Nerves are part of competitive sports. That, and the professionals are setting an example for those coming behind.

[mshills]

This thread is a great example of some of the best aspects of this forum.

 

Good debate and discussion with some serious differences of opinion. A couple of times I thought it was heading straight for the lock, but the personal attacks subsided and the thread is back in business.

 

Good stuff, here.

[Roadking2003]

> @bladehunter said:

> But. Try being the square peg born to outlaws. Always guilty until proven innocent.

 

This is nothing new. When I was in college 50 years ago we would always pull into a parking lot and park our car when we saw a cop behind us. Some of them just like to harass college kids.

 

 

[RickK]

I have read (took me a while) this entire thread. Here is my takeaway from it as far as the OP's original question.

• According to USGA, tournament committees have the right/authority to develop their own anti-doping policy.

• USGA sanctioned events and PGA sanctioned events forbid the use of M per their anti-doping policy.

• If the organizer of a tournament does not have such a policy...there is no reason I can see that you can't do M if you so choose.

Does this sound about right?

I am staying out of the legal (state or fed) discussion. as it does not impact me in any manner.

Now, I have question….

I see nothing in the USGA about playing under the influence of alcohol. Is there something? Speaking specifically about USGA/PGA events. I am old enough to remember lots of pros on the PGA Tour who played hammered back in the day.

 

 

[MadGolfer76]

> @RickK said:

> I have read (took me a while) this entire thread. Here is my takeaway from it as far as the OP's original question.

> • According to USGA, tournament committees have the right/authority to develop their own anti-doping policy.

> • USGA sanctioned events and PGA sanctioned events forbid the use of M per their anti-doping policy.

> • If the organizer of a tournament does not have such a policy...there is no reason I can see that you can't do M if you so choose.

> Does this sound about right?

> I am staying out of the legal (state or fed) discussion. as it does not impact me in any manner.

> Now, I have question….

> I see nothing in the USGA about playing under the influence of alcohol. Is there something? Speaking specifically about USGA/PGA events. I am old enough to remember lots of pros on the PGA Tour who played hammered back in the day.

>

>

 

I suspect the PGA Tour and USGA would have something to say about it regardless of whether the organizer allowed it or not. Likely getting in "conduct unbecoming..." type policy territory, right along with playing while under the influence of alcohol. I doubt the media would agree to air something like pro's smoking that either, which would cut into $$.

[Mikey5e]

> @MadGolfer76 said:

> > @RickK said:

> > I have read (took me a while) this entire thread. Here is my takeaway from it as far as the OP's original question.

> > • According to USGA, tournament committees have the right/authority to develop their own anti-doping policy.

> > • USGA sanctioned events and PGA sanctioned events forbid the use of M per their anti-doping policy.

> > • If the organizer of a tournament does not have such a policy...there is no reason I can see that you can't do M if you so choose.

> > Does this sound about right?

> > I am staying out of the legal (state or fed) discussion. as it does not impact me in any manner.

> > Now, I have question….

> > I see nothing in the USGA about playing under the influence of alcohol. Is there something? Speaking specifically about USGA/PGA events. I am old enough to remember lots of pros on the PGA Tour who played hammered back in the day.

> >

> >

>

> I suspect the PGA Tour and USGA would have something to say about it regardless of whether the organizer allowed it or not. Likely getting in "conduct unbecoming..." type policy territory, right along with playing while under the influence of alcohol. I doubt the media would agree to air something like pro's smoking that either, which would cut into $$.

 

 

"conduct unbecoming..." seems it would be a poor way of dealing with the issue. I still think that unless another golfer/competitor complains about it, people are pretty much free to do what they want. There has to be rules that a particular committee adopts/presents to the golfers as they sign up for a tournament.