Ping G425 closer than we think? (In hand Pics Pg. 16)

[Socrates]

17 hours ago, Lobber said:

Placed a custom order for the 425 Max with Ventus on Jan 12.  Was told it will ship on Feb 9th which is 5 days after the release.  Kind of irritating that preorders will ship after it’s available at retail. How hard is it to put a tip on a Ventus and screw it on the head?

When there are 10's of 1000's of custom orders, it takes time.  It's not like Willy Wonka works there.

[Deuce78]

2 hours ago, AtlantaGolf3 said:

That would be really impressive if the weight changes didn’t move MOI. 

 

According to ping, adjusting the sole weight makes a negligible difference. You really need a weight shift from one side to the other for 5g to make a difference, like from extreme back to face or extreme heel to toe.  Taking or adding a few grams in the same place, a la sole weight, is not going to affect much but will fine tune the swingweight...

[AtlantaGolf3]

1 hour ago, Deuce78 said:

According to ping, adjusting the sole weight makes a negligible difference. You really need a weight shift from one side to the other for 5g to make a difference, like from extreme back to face or extreme heel to toe.  Taking or adding a few grams in the same place, a la sole weight, is not going to affect much but will fine tune the swingweight...

Oh. I thought the only place we were talking about was the 26gr shift weight located in the rear. I didn’t know there was a sole weight. 

[Lobber]

2 hours ago, Socrates said:

When there are 10's of 1000's of custom orders, it takes time.  It's not like Willy Wonka works there.

It may but I maintain it's not that hard to put an adaptor on a custom shaft, cut to length, grip it, attach it and ship it

[benkolde]

Ordered a LST driver with Rogue White on 1/27, quoted ship date is 2/18.

[vernon]

31 minutes ago, Lobber said:

It may but I maintain it's not that hard to put an adaptor on a custom shaft, cut to length, grip it, attach it and ship it

Not trying to be a smartazz here but I know a guy that called Ping a year or so ago complaining about ship times with that same rationale.  Their response was that they build them in the order that the orders are received not by which orders are the easiest or most or least time consuming to complete.

[Deuce78]

2 hours ago, AtlantaGolf3 said:

Oh. I thought the only place we were talking about was the 26gr shift weight located in the rear. I didn’t know there was a sole weight. 

Same weight my friend!  There's just the one.  Just it's not always 26gr.  It's the icing on the cake when building a club...

1 hour ago, vernon said:

Not trying to be a smartazz here but I know a guy that called Ping a year or so ago complaining about ship times with that same rationale.  Their response was that they build them in the order that the orders are received not by which orders are the easiest or most or least time consuming to complete.

I believe ping builds their initial big box retail orders before taking in custom orders.  So if they have higher volume of initial retail orders than expected, it impacts the processing and build time of the custom orders and additional retail orders.  I am sure there is a ton of orders in due to the ship dates.  Plus it's covid...

[Tdsjfb]

9 hours ago, Deuce78 said:

The stock headweight in g400max is 206g.  Nearly the same as 425 at 208g.  So your build would be nearly identical in the 425.  90% of golfers dont know what swingweight is and they cannot distinguish the difference of 1 swingweight point.  Ping has engineered the heads with changeable weights for a reason, for fitting, and I was told even as weights are adjusted the moi is still at a maximum and wont affect performance.

Perhaps I'm wrong (it happens), but I thought the G400 was 198g with the 7g head weight.

[AtlantaGolf3]

2 hours ago, Deuce78 said:

Same weight my friend!  There's just the one.  Just it's not always 26gr.  It's the icing on the cake when building a club...

I believe ping builds their initial big box retail orders before taking in custom orders.  So if they have higher volume of initial retail orders than expected, it impacts the processing and build time of the custom orders and additional retail orders.  I am sure there is a ton of orders in due to the ship dates.  Plus it's covid...

IMO I don’t buy it. Changing the weight in the rear from a 26 to a 16 would change MOI. 
 

All of these manufacturers move small weights around incrementally to change the percentage of draw, fade, launch and spin. 
 

All of those movements change launch conditions from delivery and weight is a major factor when swinging an object and factoring MOI and COG. 

[Deuce78]

1 hour ago, AtlantaGolf3 said:

IMO I don’t buy it. Changing the weight in the rear from a 26 to a 16 would change MOI. 
 

All of these manufacturers move small weights around incrementally to change the percentage of draw, fade, launch and spin. 
 

All of those movements change launch conditions from delivery and weight is a major factor when swinging an object and factoring MOI and COG. 

Of course yes but talking extremely small changes very minimal.  There is a big difference between reducing the weight at spot A, versus moving the weight from spot A to spot B.  Additionally just loosing 10g is 5 swingweight points (a lot) and that would change delivery (and speed, and dynamic loft, and launch, and spin) more than the moi and cg would change delivery from a static weight drop of 10g.  Are you trying to accomplish something specific?

[Deuce78]

2 hours ago, Tdsjfb said:

Perhaps I'm wrong (it happens), but I thought the G400 was 198g with the 7g head weight.

From pings site...👍✌

[Lobber]

6 hours ago, vernon said:

Not trying to be a smartazz here but I know a guy that called Ping a year or so ago complaining about ship times with that same rationale.  Their response was that they build them in the order that the orders are received not by which orders are the easiest or most or least time consuming to complete.

Fair enough and at the end of the day Feb 9 is only 4 days after the launch.  

[easyyy]

On 1/28/2021 at 9:06 AM, caller said:

Found some time on Trackman with Ping and TM drivers.

avg 103mph, ball speed around 148mph.. Puts spin anywhere between 2100 to 2600rpm.

 

1. 425LST.... not a fan and not sure if that works for me. Going right. Need more time on this.

 

2. 425Max

  Sound like 223 short barrel going off without my suppressor.

  It's ok. I played Nike Mach before. They are all loud as long as they are straight.

 Hit few balls with their stock stiff shaft and was losing a few 20 yards right but still carries. total distance around 260

 Hit more with Tensei orange shaft. Straight or sligiht baby draw with total 270.  It's ok. nothing special.

I think what Max is about having bad shots as playable as good shots. Good driver here.

Does anyone know what Ping does with hotmelt? is that for sound or reducing spin?

 

3. TM SIM Max2

I popped in my gamer Tour AD BB shaft in it. 280 total distance and more draw. 

Lower the loft to reduce the spin and open the face. 1 out of 4 swing 290 total distance with optimum launch and ball speed. 

It's hot. It's better sound and feel. Has more horsepower than Max. One issue.... I feel TM face looks open even though it is square. I try to swing differently and that leads to snap hook or push but will get use to it.

 

They are very solid and I think Max is for almost everyone... I will wait longer to see more on course reviews. 

 

Thanks for the review.

 

I hit the 425 Max 9.0 45.25" D3 w/ Tensei Orange 65 stiff tipped 1/2" today. Looks like a superstar after my session. The misses were better than misses from other heads and the ball speeds and lower spin for the Max is very impressive.  I was killing it and the spin was a surprise. Spun lower than I expected and I loved the feel and sound. I didn't hear anything that would be noticed on the course. Cannon and cant wait to test it against the TSi3.

 

The stability makes for confidence and the smash/ball speeds are awesome. 

 

 

[radiman]

11 minutes ago, easyyy said:

 

Thanks for the review.

 

I hit the 425 Max 9.0 45.25" D3 w/ Tensei Orange 65 stiff tipped 1/2" today. Looks like a superstar after my session. The misses were better than misses from other heads and the ball speeds and lower spin for the Max is very impressive.  I was killing it and the spin was a surprise. Spun lower than I expected and I loved the feel and sound. I didn't hear anything that would be noticed on the course. Cannon and cant wait to test it against the TSi3.

 

The stability makes for confidence and the smash/ball speeds are awesome. 

 

 

Man, those spin numbers are pretty great for a super forgiving head. 

[easyyy]

1 minute ago, radiman said:

Man, those spin numbers are pretty great for a super forgiving head. 

 

I know. I was surprised as well and not expecting it. That is why the distance is so good. 

 

I would have save the grouping so you could see averages but the computer froze and I lost the whole session. Snapped that pic to text my boys about the Max low spin. Crazy.

[radiman]

3 minutes ago, easyyy said:

 

I know. I was surprised as well and not expecting it. That is why the distance is so good. 

 

I would have save the grouping so you could see averages but the computer froze and I lost the whole session. Snapped that pic to text my boys about the Max low spin. Crazy.

Man, posts like this are killing me. Possibly the best of both worlds with this one. 

[easyyy]

1 minute ago, radiman said:

Man, posts like this are killing me. Possibly the best of both worlds with this one. 

 

After watching all the video reviews I lost a little hope. Glad I brought one in. I was shock and to your point best of both worlds. Stability, lower spin high ball speeds??? Holy grail type stuff there. Might be the gamer shaft CK Orange Tipped. So much fun to hit. The TSi3 has a challenger. Both are crazy IMHGO.

[radiman]

4 minutes ago, easyyy said:

 

After watching all the video reviews I lost a little hope. Glad I brought one in. I was shock and to your point best of both worlds. Stability, lower spin high ball speeds??? Holy grail type stuff there. Might be the gamer shaft CK Orange Tipped. So much fun to hit. The TSi3 has a challenger. Both are crazy IMHGO.

I don’t feel like it’s underperformed by any means in the videos I’ve watched. It would perform beautifully for some and be average for others. I think once preorders start getting in users hands we’ll have a better idea. Mine included. I preordered just to flip the script after many years of “low spin bombers” hoping to hit more fairways. All this talk of forgiveness + low spin has me antsy to see what it can do vs the Epic Max LS. 

[easyyy]

13 minutes ago, radiman said:

I don’t feel like it’s underperformed by any means in the videos I’ve watched. It would perform beautifully for some and be average for others. I think once preorders start getting in users hands we’ll have a better idea. Mine included. I preordered just to flip the script after many years of “low spin bombers” hoping to hit more fairways. All this talk of forgiveness + low spin has me antsy to see what it can do vs the Epic Max LS. 

Ok... I would agree that they didn't underperform but they didn't suggest it was much better than the field. I felt differently. I felt the added stability makes it a unique bird. Visually it looks forgiving as well and that is better in my book. Just looks like you can go harder with it and it will hold the line. 

[radiman]

26 minutes ago, easyyy said:

Ok... I would agree that they didn't underperform but they didn't suggest it was much better than the field. I felt differently. I felt the added stability makes it a unique bird. Visually it looks forgiving as well and that is better in my book. Just looks like you can go harder with it and it will hold the line. 

Exactly what I was hoping for. You’re right it looks very confidence inspiring. I’ve stayed away from most ultra forgiving models because the face is usually kind of closed and they’re typically draw biased.  This one is really neutral to my eye. It just looks perfect. 

[RIDEamountain]

1 hour ago, easyyy said:

Ok... I would agree that they didn't underperform but they didn't suggest it was much better than the field. I felt differently. I felt the added stability makes it a unique bird. Visually it looks forgiving as well and that is better in my book. Just looks like you can go harder with it and it will hold the line. 

Ooohhhh man! Great feedback on the G425 MAX. I was really leaning towards it (without hitting it yet) but I'm also hoping to hit it against the Epic Max LS to see what happens. 

 

RIDE 

[Socrates]

2 hours ago, easyyy said:

 

Thanks for the review.

 

I hit the 425 Max 9.0 45.25" D3 w/ Tensei Orange 65 stiff tipped 1/2" today. Looks like a superstar after my session. The misses were better than misses from other heads and the ball speeds and lower spin for the Max is very impressive.  I was killing it and the spin was a surprise. Spun lower than I expected and I loved the feel and sound. I didn't hear anything that would be noticed on the course. Cannon and cant wait to test it against the TSi3.

 

The stability makes for confidence and the smash/ball speeds are awesome. 

 

 

Thanks.  Glad to hear from someone who can refute all the noise coming from those with the delicate ears.

Edited January 30, 2021 by Socrates

[Tdsjfb]

In the standard configuration (standard length w/ Tour 65 Stiff Shaft), what weight (Head Weight) does Ping use in the 10.5 Degree head?

[bobbyclampett!!]

Admittedly I haven't watched every review video out there, but I'm a little confused on the talk of underperforming. Rick Shiels says G425 Max is "straightest, most forgiving driver he has ever hit." Not sure it gets much better than that! Especially when ball speeds seem pretty much maxed out across the industry.

 

On a separate note, I've only tested the G425 LST 3w so far. Man, that thing was solid and hot! A big "thwack", rocketed off the face, looked great behind the ball. Keep it going, Ping!

[Titleist84]

Please point to a video where the 425 Max significantly underperformed.  Every video (and I watched several) labeled it the straightest, most forgiving driver.  Was it the longest?  No, but was it significantly shorter? No. I will gladly give up half a club in distance for finding more fairways.

[bobbyclampett!!]

My new home course is tree lined from tee to green on every hole, and tight. Even small misses and you are in jail, pitching out. You absolutely must drive it straight. I would take 15-25 yards less for "straightest, most forgiving driver ever", not that G425 Max is even close to that much shorter than anything out there. I have no idea how much "shorter" it might be than the "longest" driver out there (2 yards, lol?), but it would seriously have to be 30 yards shorter for me to care.

[Wardonation]

12 hours ago, easyyy said:

 

Thanks for the review.

 

I hit the 425 Max 9.0 45.25" D3 w/ Tensei Orange 65 stiff tipped 1/2" today. Looks like a superstar after my session. The misses were better than misses from other heads and the ball speeds and lower spin for the Max is very impressive.  I was killing it and the spin was a surprise. Spun lower than I expected and I loved the feel and sound. I didn't hear anything that would be noticed on the course. Cannon and cant wait to test it against the TSi3.

 

The stability makes for confidence and the smash/ball speeds are awesome. 

 

 

Easy, I think you need to work on that "path"🤣. So I got 2.2MPH more with the TSI3 compared to max BUT misses were not even close for me. The 425 MAX IMO is maybe the best over all driver ever made? It is kicking the 400 LST out.

[Lobber]

39 minutes ago, bobbyclampett!! said:

Admittedly I haven't watched every review video out there, but I'm a little confused on the talk of underperforming. Rick Shiels says G425 Max is "straightest, most forgiving driver he has ever hit." Not sure it gets much better than that! Especially when ball speeds seem pretty much maxed out across the industry.

 

On a separate note, I've only tested the G425 LST 3w so far. Man, that thing was solid and hot! A big "thwack", rocketed off the face, looked great behind the ball. Keep it going, Ping!

I watched Shiel's video.  He also found that there was minimal difference in spin and ball speed between the two.  In fact the Max spun a bit less than the LST if I remember correctly.  Mine is on order with Ventus Red and I cant wait.

[jas904]

11 hours ago, easyyy said:

 

I know. I was surprised as well and not expecting it. That is why the distance is so good. 

 

I would have save the grouping so you could see averages but the computer froze and I lost the whole session. Snapped that pic to text my boys about the Max low spin. Crazy.

I would imagine your +2 attack angle has something to do with that. I often wonder when I read about guys complaining about being a high spin player or a driver creating too much spin what there attack angle number are. I’m going to a fitting next Friday and the G425s are going to get a shot. 

[Kid B]

4 hours ago, Lobber said:

I watched Shiel's video.  He also found that there was minimal difference in spin and ball speed between the two.  In fact the Max spun a bit less than the LST if I remember correctly.  Mine is on order with Ventus Red and I cant wait.

Not saying he’s wrong or even that most people will get the same or better performance out of the MAX than they would get out of the LST, but-

 

For me the MAX was a little too high, and a little too spinny compared to the LST. It wasn’t a ton, but enough. I went in to my fitting dead set on the MAX or one of the Callaways, and just couldn’t make the case for anything but the LST