Diamana TB

[MITSUBISHI CHEMICAL]

1 hour ago, phizzy30 said:

Thank you for the clarification.  I love the TPO 1K.  Took it out to the course yesterday and I had my best driving day in a long time.  It's also got really good feel that the OG TPO lacked IMO.  Would you say that the Kai'li blue has more feel than the ZF?  I know the ZF uses the boron tip whereas the Kai'li blue uses the MR20 in the tip and wanted to know if that affects feel. 

Glad to hear it's working for you already! It's a nice improvement on our older Oranges and it looks beautiful when the sun hits it outside.

 

Both KB and ZF are very smooth parts. We can't get too deep into comparisons yet with KB as we are still buttoning things up for launch. More to come!

[agood3putt]

Have the 60TX and 70X on order can’t wait 

[OspreyCI]

@MITSUBISHI CHEMICAL When can we expect the KB release? Very interested in this shaft. The Kai’li White was a touch too stiff for me when I tried it in the Stealth. Hoping for a little more kick in the KB. 

[Strategery]

TB on order! 😀

[MITSUBISHI CHEMICAL]

23 hours ago, OspreyCI said:

@MITSUBISHI CHEMICAL When can we expect the KB release? Very interested in this shaft. The Kai’li White was a touch too stiff for me when I tried it in the Stealth. Hoping for a little more kick in the KB. 

Exact timing still TBD, but we'll keep everyone here posted. If KW felt a little too stiff, KB should do it for you.  

[OspreyCI]

31 minutes ago, MITSUBISHI CHEMICAL said:

Exact timing still TBD, but we'll keep everyone here posted. If KW felt a little too stiff, KB should do it for you.  

Appreciate it and can’t wait to give it a go. The KW is a stock option in the Stealth. Think the KB will be a stock option with any manufacturer? I know you can’t really answer that, just throwing it out there. (Not not talking TX versions)

[Strategery]

On 3/20/2022 at 10:18 AM, Strategery said:

TB on order! 😀

 

Very disappointed in the TSi3 + TB combo. 🙁 Not sure what the cause is, but it feels heavy and loose. Dispersion is terrible. The rare on-center strike feels great as expected, but cannot get any consistency. I might try the stock Hzrdus Smoke Black RDX shaft or a lighter back weight to see if it makes any diff.

Driving is a real strength of my game, so this "experiment" has been a total let down. Good thing I kept my old driver.

[gripz]

I have been testing a TB 60S in Sim2 driver for a few weeks and am loving it so far. My ball speed with driver is in the 150ish range on course, medium load, and preferred shot is slight fade. Per MCA guidance I did not tip the shaft. I am coming from Hzrdus RDX Smoke Blue which I have played for 4+ months and have also played the AV Raw Blue with this head. All 3 shafts work for me (I like the softer mid profiles) but the TB is the best feeling of the 3 by far. I also picked up 2-3mph ball speed, which is nice. Like others have said, I think this shaft gives similar good results if you go with your regular swing or decide to step on it, whereas the RDX or Ventus Blue (have not played in Sim2 but did for most of a year in a G425) prefer a bit more gas. This can help late in rounds. I also find that this shaft is low spin with my swing, I will occasionally hit one that that knuckles / falls off, which is something I almost never see with the RDX. 
 

If you get along with blue / soft mid profiles I strongly recommend giving this shaft a try. 

[J. Breeze]

Curious as to where the TB stands vs the new 22' AV blue?

 

 

 

Edited June 1, 2022 by J. Breeze

[eric61]

I love the TB so much. I have a 60X at 45.5” in my 9* Rogue ST Max LS and it’s just a monster.

 

I’ve spent a lot of time trying lower launch, lower spin shafts and was nearly settled on the Tensei Pro White 1K. But the TB suits my timing so perfectly, I’m just faster with it. 
 

Played a round this afternoon. Two drives over 300 yards carry + roll, which is very rare for me. Just about all of them over 280 carry + roll, which in the past has just been where my very best drives ended up. And shockingly straight.

[agood3putt]

31 minutes ago, eric61 said:

I love the TB so much. I have a 60X at 45.5” in my 9* Rogue ST Max LS and it’s just a monster.

 

I’ve spent a lot of time trying lower launch, lower spin shafts and was nearly settled on the Tensei Pro White 1K. But the TB suits my timing so perfectly, I’m just faster with it. 
 

Played a round this afternoon. Two drives over 300 yards carry + roll, which is very rare for me. Just about all of them over 280 carry + roll, which in the past has just been where my very best drives ended up. And shockingly straight.

feel the same about it in fairways always chased the low/low but MCA killed it with the TB 

[ob1soccer]

what is the difference between the TB series and the Tensei series?

[phizzy30]

1 hour ago, ob1soccer said:

what is the difference between the TB series and the Tensei series?

TB is part of the Diamana family.  It's the latest gen blue board so to speak.  The difference between the Diamana and Tensei series is that they use different materials but some of the technology like XLink overlap. 

[ob1soccer]

10 hours ago, phizzy30 said:

TB is part of the Diamana family.  It's the latest gen blue board so to speak.  The difference between the Diamana and Tensei series is that they use different materials but some of the technology like XLink overlap. 

anyone hit both and have a comparison. I just hit the Tensei Blue and Orange last week, but having a hard time finding the TB to demo

[gibsonsg4]

8 hours ago, ob1soccer said:

anyone hit both and have a comparison. I just hit the Tensei Blue and Orange last week, but having a hard time finding the TB to demo

I have owned all 3, and currently have the tb, Assuming you are talking about the pro versions of the tensei’s and not the made for

 

tb: very smooth unloading, i’d say the butt is slightly stiff but unloads very smoothly just past the grip, center strikes with a titleist driver feel very very smooth and marshmallow soft, very slightly mutes harsh feel from very slightly off center strikes due to the higher torque. Plays like a true mid/mid shaft

 

pro blue: plays firmer and stiffer than tb, butt section and tip are both stiff, mid section about the same - i’d say it feels like it just loads in the middle a bit and nothing else. Id say pro blue plays more like a low/mid shaft rather than a true mid/mid

 

pro orange: completely different than both and plays much stiffer in all aspects, much more linear

 

TB has been the best for me and handles a very smooth swing and aggressive swing very well

Edited June 29, 2022 by gibsonsg4

[ob1soccer]

2 hours ago, gibsonsg4 said:

I have owned all 3, and currently have the tb, Assuming you are talking about the pro versions of the tensei’s and not the made for

 

tb: very smooth unloading, i’d say the butt is slightly stiff but unloads very smoothly just past the grip, center strikes with a titleist driver feel very very smooth and marshmallow soft, very slightly mutes harsh feel from very slightly off center strikes due to the higher torque. Plays like a true mid/mid shaft

 

pro blue: plays firmer and stiffer than tb, butt section and tip are both stiff, mid section about the same - i’d say it feels like it just loads in the middle a bit and nothing else. Id say pro blue plays more like a low/mid shaft rather than a true mid/mid

 

pro orange: completely different than both and plays much stiffer in all aspects, much more linear

 

TB has been the best for me and handles a very smooth swing and aggressive swing very well

awesome info, thanks for the help. Now I just need to demo side by side.

So the TB is a new version of the BF? and the PD is the white version? So many choices

[ob1soccer]

So what is the differences between

 

TB

BF

Tensei AV Blue 22

Tensei AV Raw Blue

 

are they all similar blueboard profiles of mid launch and mid spin? So what is the difference between the 4 of them

[gibsonsg4]

16 minutes ago, ob1soccer said:

So what is the differences between

 

TB

BF

Tensei AV Blue 22

Tensei AV Raw Blue

 

are they all similar blueboard profiles of mid launch and mid spin? So what is the difference between the 4 of them

TB is replacement for the BF,

 

AV raw blue TX flex was supposed to be the replacement for tensei pro blue, the other flexes are watered down stock shafts, AV raw blue 22 is purely a stock shaft for OEM’s

[ob1soccer]

18 minutes ago, gibsonsg4 said:

TB is replacement for the BF,

 

AV raw blue TX flex was supposed to be the replacement for tensei pro blue, the other flexes are watered down stock shafts, AV raw blue 22 is purely a stock shaft for OEM’s

so which Tensei shafts should i be interested in trying out tomorrow at demo day? Low low and low spin are probably not for me. The white is relatively low launching?

[agood3putt]

8 minutes ago, ob1soccer said:

so which Tensei shafts should i be interested in trying out tomorrow at demo day? Low low and low spin are probably not for me. The white is relatively low launching?

I wouldn’t go based on what the description on MCA says. It all depends on you, I’d say try them all out if you can. Specifically the TB, Pro White 1K 

 

PD is a lot more stout than the other white profiles imo. 
 

TB has been awesome in my fairways 

[Rbsiedsc]

10 minutes ago, ob1soccer said:

so which Tensei shafts should i be interested in trying out tomorrow at demo day? Low low and low spin are probably not for me. The white is relatively low launching?

The stock blue is no slouch. It has the xlink tech in it. Shaft is great in my wood. Having that and a white to come test in my epic max ls

[third-times-a-charm]

1 hour ago, gibsonsg4 said:

TB is replacement for the BF,

 

AV raw blue TX flex was supposed to be the replacement for tensei pro blue, the other flexes are watered down stock shafts, AV raw blue 22 is purely a stock shaft for OEM’s

The not yet released Tensei 1K Blue is the replacement for the TPB, not the Raw Blue TX. The Raw Blue is just the new version of the Tensei AV.

[ob1soccer]

ok thx for the info, i will try them all out and report back

[MITSUBISHI CHEMICAL]

14 hours ago, gibsonsg4 said:

TB is replacement for the BF,

 

AV raw blue TX flex was supposed to be the replacement for tensei pro blue, the other flexes are watered down stock shafts, AV raw blue 22 is purely a stock shaft for OEM’s

Just jumping in here...

 

While yes, the new AV Blue and White wood shafts have been used in some OEM programs, they are absolutely no slouch. This new AV series took existing AV RAW White and RAW Blue structures and added our Xlink Tech Resin System which is one of the larger breakthroughs our company has made in a while. It allows us to significantly reduce resin content in the shaft -- allowing for a higher volume of carbon fiber use for much better feel -- without sacrificing anything in terms of strength.

 

In the past few professional women's events, a few dozen of the new AV parts have been put in play, including in one super, super, super highly ranked player's bag 😉

[ob1soccer]

6 minutes ago, MITSUBISHI CHEMICAL said:

Just jumping in here...

 

While yes, the new AV Blue and White wood shafts have been used in some OEM programs, they are absolutely no slouch. This new AV series took existing AV RAW White and RAW Blue structures and added our Xlink Tech Resin System which is one of the larger breakthroughs our company has made in a while. It allows us to significantly reduce resin content in the shaft -- allowing for a higher volume of carbon fiber use for much better feel -- without sacrificing anything in terms of strength.

 

In the past few professional women's events, a few dozen of the new AV parts have been put in play, including in one super, super, super highly ranked player's bag 😉

awesome info and thanks for posting. Now at least I know what to demo when I compare shafts.

Since I usually dont do well with low launch and low spin shafts how would the Tensei orange AV raw fit in, i see that it is Mid launch and low spin?

[MITSUBISHI CHEMICAL]

14 hours ago, ob1soccer said:

So what is the differences between

 

TB

BF

Tensei AV Blue 22

Tensei AV Raw Blue

 

are they all similar blueboard profiles of mid launch and mid spin? So what is the difference between the 4 of them

This is a good question!

 

TB is our 5th Generation Diamana Blue profile and BF is our 4th Generation Diamana Blue profile. If Diamana had to be characterized in a few words, we'd use "smooth" and "classic." Our design philosophy is usually to build upon prior successful structures and add new technologies and construction techniques we've discovered along the way. So TB built on the success of BF by adding Consistent Feel Design -- which is a huge help for fitters in fitting bays around the world -- and also added our Xlink Tech Resin System that created a much more carbon-rich structure than previously used in Diamana profiles. 

 

TENSEI is our only product family that calls out the exact technology used in the part within the name of the shaft. If you think about TENSEI CK (Carbon Kevlar), TENSEI AV (Aluminum Vapor) and now TENSEI 1K (1K cloth carbon fiber), it shows how much TENSEI leans into the tech side of the shaft story. This isn't meant to suggest that feel isn't a priority for TENSEI as it certainly still is, but hierarchically (tough word to spell) feel would be secondary to technological advancement by the slimmest of margins. Obviously anyone who has hit the new 1K Pro family knows feel still absolutely matters to TENSEI!

 

TENSEI AV Blue 22 built on AV RAW Blue much the same way TB built on BF. And yes, TENSEI AV Blue is used in some OEM programs (and OEM programs will always be a core, fundamental part of our business because we have to always keep the lights on!) but it can't be written off. It adds proven new technology to a winning structure.

 

So Diamana Blues: totally feel oriented, super classic, super smooth.

TENSEI blues: a little firmer, more linear, probably a little less give.

Both blues: worth trying. All golfers are different.

[MITSUBISHI CHEMICAL]

8 minutes ago, ob1soccer said:

awesome info and thanks for posting. Now at least I know what to demo when I compare shafts.

Since I usually dont do well with low launch and low spin shafts how would the Tensei orange AV raw fit in, i see that it is Mid launch and low spin?

TENSEI AV RAW Orange is super fun because it's the only counterbalanced TENSEI profile. Feel wise, it's just totally different as weight is distributed much differently around the shaft. Counterbalance is an acquired taste. Some love it, others don't! That's one that's really hard to recommend without trying out yourself because counterbalanced shafts just feel so different than others. It might produce similar launch characteristics, but it'll do so while feeling much different. I feel like I said 'different' too much.

[phizzy30]

17 hours ago, gibsonsg4 said:

I have owned all 3, and currently have the tb, Assuming you are talking about the pro versions of the tensei’s and not the made for

 

tb: very smooth unloading, i’d say the butt is slightly stiff but unloads very smoothly just past the grip, center strikes with a titleist driver feel very very smooth and marshmallow soft, very slightly mutes harsh feel from very slightly off center strikes due to the higher torque. Plays like a true mid/mid shaft

 

pro blue: plays firmer and stiffer than tb, butt section and tip are both stiff, mid section about the same - i’d say it feels like it just loads in the middle a bit and nothing else. Id say pro blue plays more like a low/mid shaft rather than a true mid/mid

 

pro orange: completely different than both and plays much stiffer in all aspects, much more linear

 

TB has been the best for me and handles a very smooth swing and aggressive swing very well

Had the TB 80X in 3 metal and it does not like hard aggressive swings.  Every time I would go after it, I would lose it hard left.  It was tipped a good 1.5 inches.  I think it's a great shaft for someone with a smoother transition ala Harris English who has it in his driver. 

[phizzy30]

13 hours ago, agood3putt said:

I wouldn’t go based on what the description on MCA says. It all depends on you, I’d say try them all out if you can. Specifically the TB, Pro White 1K 

 

PD is a lot more stout than the other white profiles imo. 
 

TB has been awesome in my fairways 

PD is a monster.  My ball speed is 175 with aggressive transition and unless I really went after it, the PD 70TX just didn't feel right and I would hit them low and to the right.  Mine cpm out at 282 uncut. 

[phizzy30]

Just now, MITSUBISHI CHEMICAL said:

This is a good question!

 

TB is our 5th Generation Diamana Blue profile and BF is our 4th Generation Diamana Blue profile. If Diamana had to be characterized in a few words, we'd use "smooth" and "classic." Our design philosophy is usually to build upon prior successful structures and add new technologies and construction techniques we've discovered along the way. So TB built on the success of BF by adding Consistent Feel Design -- which is a huge help for fitters in fitting bays around the world -- and also added our Xlink Tech Resin System that created a much more carbon-rich structure than previously used in Diamana profiles. 

 

TENSEI is our only product family that calls out the exact technology used in the part within the name of the shaft. If you think about TENSEI CK (Carbon Kevlar), TENSEI AV (Aluminum Vapor) and now TENSEI 1K (1K cloth carbon fiber), it shows how much TENSEI leans into the tech side of the shaft story. This isn't meant to suggest that feel isn't a priority for TENSEI as it certainly still is, but hierarchically (tough word to spell) feel would be secondary to technological advancement by the slimmest of margins. Obviously anyone who has hit the new 1K Pro family knows feel still absolutely matters to TENSEI!

 

TENSEI AV Blue 22 built on AV RAW Blue much the same way TB built on BF. And yes, TENSEI AV Blue is used in some OEM programs (and OEM programs will always be a core, fundamental part of our business because we have to always keep the lights on!) but it can't be written off. It adds proven new technology to a winning structure.

 

So Diamana Blues: totally feel oriented, super classic, super smooth.

TENSEI blues: a little firmer, more linear, probably a little less give.

Both blues: worth trying. All golfers are different.

You're absolutely correct, the 1K line has great feel to it.  I have the Tensei 1K and TPO 1K that are interchangeable for my driver depending on what I'm trying to accomplish out on the course.  Will we see a TPB 1K within the year?  I really want to get one for my 3 metal, hehe.