looking for irons with great distance consistency that don't compromise on forgiveness

[lefthack]

I'm not a Callaway guy, but the Apex combo is interesting to me. My iron game is my strong point, so I like forgiveness in the longs, and precision in the shorts.

[ShAMbotay]

1 hour ago, tsecor said:

isnt the Ben Hogan logo in script just like Titleist?  

Ben Hogan’s logo is in a form of connected print that isn’t actually cursive. Titleist’s logo, on the other hand, is in a complete, unadulterated form of handwritten cursive.

 

The difference is nitpicking, to be sure, but the fact remains that I can read Ben Hogan’s logo, and not Titleist’s.

[Hawkeye77]

1 hour ago, tsecor said:

isnt the Ben Hogan logo in script just like Titleist?  

Kids these days aren't learning cursive, lol.  Apparently can't read the Declaration of Independence.

 

Myself and any of my 11 year old friends darn well could read "Titleist" when we found one! 

[tsecor]

20 minutes ago, ShAMbotay said:

Ben Hogan’s logo is in a form of connected print that isn’t actually cursive. Titleist’s logo, on the other hand, is in a complete, unadulterated form of handwritten cursive.

 

The difference is nitpicking, to be sure, but the fact remains that I can read Ben Hogan’s logo, and not Titleist’s.

Here are the two side by side.....I would say they are very similar....but who is BEM HOGAN?   

[tsecor]

4 minutes ago, Hawkeye77 said:

Kids these days aren't learning cursive, lol.  Apparently can't read the Declaration of Independence.

 

Myself and any of my 11 year old friends darn well could read "Titleist" when we found one! 

Titleist is one of those logos you just know......you dont even have to read it to your point

[ShAMbotay]

2 minutes ago, Hawkeye77 said:

Kids these days aren't learning cursive, lol.  Apparently can't read the Declaration of Independence.

 

Myself and any of my 11 year old friends darn well could read "Titleist" when we found one! 

I was actually taught in 2nd grade. It didn’t stick, because it was even more illegible than my regular handwriting.

 

to this day, I can barely read my own handwriting in print. Cursive there was zero hope of it ever becoming legible.

[ShAMbotay]

4 minutes ago, tsecor said:

Titleist is one of those logos you just know......you dont even have to read it to your point

I at least know what Titleist says. I had to ask my dad what it said the first time I saw the logo, back when I was knee-high. I’ve never questioned what it was, but sometimes I forget if there’s an e in it or not, and looking at the logo to find out doesn’t help.

[tsecor]

6 minutes ago, ShAMbotay said:

I was actually taught in 2nd grade. It didn’t stick, because it was even more illegible than my regular handwriting.

 

to this day, I can barely read my own handwriting in print. Cursive there was zero hope of it ever becoming legible.

even my print is hard to read....i had no hopes of cursive ever being legible for me either....

 

try not to limit yourself because of this issue. When you are hitting, you do not see any logos or anythng....

[ShAMbotay]

1 minute ago, tsecor said:

even my print is hard to read....i had no hopes of cursive ever being legible for me either....

 

try not to limit yourself because of this issue. When you are hitting, you do not see any logos or anythng....

In all seriousness, this is a “grudge” I’ve had since I was a wee little tyke using plastic golf clubs that were too big for me. It’s so ingrained in my thought process to rule out Titleist that I don’t even notice it, it happens by itself. My mental game is by far the weakest part of my golf game, and forcing myself to change this small part ingrained into my soul won’t do it any favors.

 

There are always competitors that make a club that performs the same. Eliminating one option for free just makes the choice easier.

[ShAMbotay]

I might be able to force myself to decipher cursive, but even a short note written on a card takes a Herculean effort to decipher, probably reading less than 10 words a minute.

 

for reference, I often spend 2-6 hours of my day reading light novels, and usually can get through around 2 300 pagers in that time.

 

”bookmarks are for quitters”

Edited April 1, 2021 by ShAMbotay

[gioguy21]

P760, T100, JPX forged...

 

[Hawkeye77]

30 minutes ago, tsecor said:

Here are the two side by side.....I would say they are very similar....but who is BEM HOGAN?   

You mean "Bev"? So hard to read, lol!

[spring70]

7 hours ago, ShAMbotay said:

There seems to be a trend in the iron market that chases distance in game improvement irons at the cost of the distance consistency you see in something like a single piece forging. There's always that "jumpiness" in the game improvement irons that might shoot the ball further than it should. I'll be the first to admit that iron play is not my strong suit, even if I'm good at scrambling. I bought the whole face, and dangit, I'm going to use the whole face!

 

I'm currently playing PXG 0211's (2019) and the jumpy shots are... frequent. I expect some distance loss when I don't hit it center, but what I don't want to see are shots that go off the back of the green with no reasonable explanation.

 

I might have poor iron play for an 8hcp, but I'm still an 8hcp. consistency and feel are a must, and forgiveness can't be neglected.

 

8hcp, driver swing speed: 108mph, 7i carry: 170yds. 4-GW set preferred, no cursive allowed (sorry Titleist, I know it's the dumbest reason ever, and I apologize to your original secretary and her penmanship.)

#1 - It's not irons that are making you inconsistent.

#2 - If that is what you believe, you need a change.

#3 - Odd flex on Titleist

#4 - Try Ping G30 or I25

[nostatic]

Seems to me that distance control is part of "forgiveness." I never understand when someone (including club reviewers) will say an iron is "forgiving" but then talk about flyers and significant distance dispersion.

 

To me, forgiveness means when I don't hit it perfectly the ball still goes roughly in the direction intended with at least some of the distance intended - and doesn't feel like I smacked concrete with a metal rod. Beyond that there isn't a lot of magic dust out there in irons.

 

fwiw I found i210 to be a very nice iron. Felt good to me and it put up with my inconsistencies. HMP was a bit worse for me regarding distance control. Totally depends on your swing though...

[bladehunter]

2 hours ago, ShAMbotay said:

Ben Hogan’s logo is in a form of connected print that isn’t actually cursive. Titleist’s logo, on the other hand, is in a complete, unadulterated form of handwritten cursive.

 

The difference is nitpicking, to be sure, but the fact remains that I can read Ben Hogan’s logo, and not Titleist’s.

I’m going to defend you a tad here.  
 

im a person who also struggles with certain fonts.  It’s not that I can’t read. I’m actually quite a fast reader.  It’s that some fonts just don’t convey information.  As weird as that sounds , it’s the best way I can describe it.  
 

example. Restaurant menu suddenly changes menu.  Font and  size.  More than once this has happened and I can’t decipher it before the waiter/tress is ready to get the order.  It’s just like it’s words with no meaning.  Probably has to do with my hate of change more than the actual reading of it.  Point is I don’t call BS on anybody’s odd mental blocks.  I have too many to pass judgment.  

[Pepperturbo]

I can't bring myself to suggest any clubs.  Clubs are secondary.  Club faces today are not as HOT as they are strong lofted with big CBs, and combined with certain shafts, the result could easily find its way over the green. 

 

Let's not neglect consistency and dispersion but default more to your swing mechanics as opposed to the club you hold.  People seem to forget what CB forgiveness does.  It has nothing to do with distance control, as it's more about your ability to control your mechanics.  The purpose of forgiveness is to help YOU cover up your swing mistakes. 

 

I could hit the ball further with strong lofted irons and slightly softer shafts, but accuracy, consistency and minimal dispersion and scoring reign supreme for me.  I don't need forgiveness to stick the ball next to the pin or hit the ball exact distances using 620 series.

Edited April 2, 2021 by Pepperturbo

[forrester_fire]

6 hours ago, tsecor said:

"Game Improvement" is a marketing term used to brainwash the industry into thinking YOU will be a better scorer if you buy their product.....its 100% false.....there is zero relation to scoring improvement with "fat soled, jumpy" irons. Some cases can be made for players irons to be marketed as "game improvement".  

 

I real nice CB iron seems to be what you are looking for.....todays tech offer decent distance on mishits without feeling like you have hit a rock.   if you are eliminating Titleist because of their logo......not sure you can be helped ...lol......  

 

I think this is true mostly for the mid-high handicap players that don't lack for speed.  Even though I'm a 12 that struggles with consistency due to early extension, I swing a 7i around 90mph, plus or minus.  I can get away with less forgiveness than someone that only swings a 7i 75mph, even with my inconsistent strike quality.

[Cwing]

I’d second PING i210 or older G irons as others suggested.

 

I’ve not played Mizzy to comment.

 

Many threads out there about Callaway Apex CF16 hot faces as well as TM p790.  I’m not as certain if this was as much an issue with Apex CF19. That stated, I found them clicky. 

 

Again, I’ve not equated my issues with hot faces as much as poor contact. 7 iron goes about 165 yds.

Edited April 1, 2021 by Cwing

[Frisco Kid]

I was in the same boat...PXG 0211 v1, great irons but i went back to some of my favorite irons, Nike VR S forged irons from 2012.  Nike was ahead of their time with this line.  Great distance, plenty of forgiveness and superb feel.  IMO these are as good as anything out there.

 

 

[tsecor]

1 hour ago, bladehunter said:

I’m going to defend you a tad here.  
 

im a person who also struggles with certain fonts.  It’s not that I can’t read. I’m actually quite a fast reader.  It’s that some fonts just don’t convey information.  As weird as that sounds , it’s the best way I can describe it.  
 

example. Restaurant menu suddenly changes menu.  Font and  size.  More than once this has happened and I can’t decipher it before the waiter/tress is ready to get the order.  It’s just like it’s words with no meaning.  Probably has to do with my hate of change more than the actual reading of it.  Point is I don’t call BS on anybody’s odd mental blocks.  I have too many to pass judgment.  

dont we all......i think were all just having some fun with it, not in a mean way or anything.....i have my "hangups" with many things....thats what i call them for myself..... i just didnt want the OP short changing himself over a font he cannot see while he is playing........and ill be honest....i have a bigger problem than the OP with how sdomething looks.....THE BALL.....i cant play a certain type of ball because of the fonts and the way it makes the ball look oversized.....CALLAWAY.....for a whole season i had t turn the logo t the side and stare at a blank ball....usually I align the ball logo with the direction i want to hit off the tee...but with callaway, it looked like i was hitting a balloon.....i get it.....i had to play a TP5 ball because it looked streamlined and smaller......

[ShAMbotay]

43 minutes ago, Pepperturbo said:

I can't bring myself to suggest any clubs.  Clubs are secondary.  Club faces today are not as HOT as they are strong lofted with big CBs, and combined with certain shafts, the result could easily find its way over the green. 

 

Let's not neglect consistency and dispersion default more to your swing mechanics than the club you hold.  People seem to forget what CB forgiveness does.  It has nothing to do with distance control, as it's more about your ability to control your mechanics.  The purpose of forgiveness is to help YOU cover up your swing mistakes. 

 

I could hit the ball further with strong lofted irons and slightly softer shafts, but accuracy, consistency and minimal dispersion and scoring reign supreme for me.  I don't need forgiveness to stick the ball next to the pin or hit the ball exact distances using 620 series.

This is a hot take. I like it.
I'm definitely looking at similar things that I read in this one. I want accuracy, consistency, and minimal dispersion, but I'm used to looking at a bigger iron. I feel like I shouldn't play a blade, and even if I could, they would be too intimidating for me to hit.

 

Imagine maybe a "players"(loosely using that term here, I don't want to pigeonhole myself too much more yet) iron that has a tad more junk in the trunk than something that looks like a "beautiful" blade. Relatively traditional lofts, decent CB without being big enough to pose any threat to the consistency of the iron.

 

full disclosure, I don't find blades beautiful at all, anyway. They look like kitchen utensils that went through the garbage disposal, and somehow ended up with a serial killer version of Nemo out in the ocean.

[ShAMbotay]

I seem to be hung up on something.

What is the difference between "Consistency" and "forgiveness"?

[SchneakyShort]

6 hours ago, Argonne69 said:

Ping i210s (w/ traditional lofts) are likely to fit the bill. 'Probably one of the most forgiving players iron out there.

 

I'd also check out the new Srixon lineup.

 

This. i200 / i210 / srixon 5 series. Everytime I try any of those it surprises me how good and consistent they feel for a "big" iron

[SchneakyShort]

6 hours ago, Argonne69 said:

Ping i210s (w/ traditional lofts) are likely to fit the bill. 'Probably one of the most forgiving players iron out there.

 

I'd also check out the new Srixon lineup.

 

This. i200 / i210 / srixon 5 series. Everytime I try any of those it surprises me how good and consistent they feel for a "big" iron

[Hawkeye77]

1 hour ago, bladehunter said:

I’m going to defend you a tad here.  
 

im a person who also struggles with certain fonts.  It’s not that I can’t read. I’m actually quite a fast reader.  It’s that some fonts just don’t convey information.  As weird as that sounds , it’s the best way I can describe it.  
 

example. Restaurant menu suddenly changes menu.  Font and  size.  More than once this has happened and I can’t decipher it before the waiter/tress is ready to get the order.  It’s just like it’s words with no meaning.  Probably has to do with my hate of change more than the actual reading of it.  Point is I don’t call BS on anybody’s odd mental blocks.  I have too many to pass judgment.  

I think the OP is the one who keeps on about it, the rest is just a little teasing, IMO.  Heck, he apparently thinks the PXG logo is pretty! 😉

 

I can't eat scrambled eggs without mustard, and the volume dial on my car stereo has to show an even number!

[Hawkeye77]

3 minutes ago, ShAMbotay said:

 

 

full disclosure, I don't find blades beautiful at all, anyway. They look like kitchen utensils that went through the garbage disposal, and somehow ended up with a serial killer version of Nemo out in the ocean.

 

LOL, done here - just becoming a troll effort at this point.

[ShAMbotay]

2 minutes ago, Hawkeye77 said:

 

LOL, done here - just becoming a troll effort at this point.

I'm dead serious. I find blades ugly and intimidating.

[ShAMbotay]

6 minutes ago, Hawkeye77 said:

I think the OP is the one who keeps on about it, the rest is just a little teasing, IMO.  Heck, he apparently thinks the PXG logo is pretty! 😉

 

I can't eat scrambled eggs without mustard, and the volume dial on my car stereo has to show an even number!

I fail to read into the fact that it's teasing. always has been an issue for me, and it's particularly pronounced when reading text boxes that don't have voice inflections or body language attached to them.

PXG logo is kind of cool, but I only got them because they were dumb cheap, and they still had some of their "prestige" that has all but flitted away by now. They might be some really good feeling cast irons, and the 4i in particular flies super high, but that's all they do for me. not exactly the best performing set I've had.

 

dang, I did it again...

[Pmookie]

Honma TR20 Tour P! I love mine- forgiving and very consistent!!!!

Edited April 1, 2021 by Pmookie

[ShAMbotay]

Just now, Pmookie said:

Honma Tour P! I love mine- forgiving and very consistent!!!!

see, that's the part I'm quickly realizing I haven't caught on to. What's the difference between "forgiving" and "consistent"?