LIV Tour Discussion Thread (*** NO POLITICS ***)

[bscinstnct]

1 minute ago, bekgolf said:

 

Majors are enough when combined with the PGA Tour events.  More golf than that just waters down the product.

 

The whole basis of the merger is to have events with the best players of each tour combined. 
 

Otherwise there is no point to it. 
 

 

[bekgolf]

1 minute ago, bscinstnct said:

 

The whole basis of the merger is to have events with the best players of each tour combined. 
 

Otherwise there is no point to it. 
 

 

 

I though the reason for a merger was because Liv keeps threatening to buy everything up and disrupt as much as possible.

[subrew]

I could see a multi-tier structure.  Have the 10-12 elevated events.  Full on "mixed" with the top players from every tour, including PGAT, LIV, DP, Asia etc.  Something like top 60 in the world, plus "x" number from the other orgs based on their yearly order of merit points rankings.  The idea is you get the top established players together more often, and provide 10-20 slots for the best of the smaller tour's players to join and show off their talents.  A majority of those could be title sponsored by Aramco/PIF, the remaining get divided up between the DP/PGAT top sponsors.  BMW, Fedex, Genesis, Mastercard, RBC etc.

 

Throw in the four majors, and you've got 14-16 big events a year.  That's pretty much every two weeks from Feb to September.  That's a lot of golf with the top players showing up.  

 

Each of the orgs carries on with their usual mid-tier level events through the year, and the "off-season."  PGAT, DP Tour, LIV/International series etc.  All of those orgs carry on with a 10-20 tournament season of full field full-cut events.  This is the bread and butter of the tours.  People earn their order of merit status and can graduate into the big events.  Genuine promotion and relegation.  

 

Then maybe in the off-season winter, do say three team format events, back-to-back-to-back.  Team TM, Team Callaway, Team Ping, Team BMW, etc.  Short 3-day match play formats over December and January.  Made for TV, different format, faster paced, reporters on the ground, knock-out style.  Just golf entertainment over the winter to get the juices flowing, keep the product on TV, and get guys warmed up for the start of the season.  PIF can throw huge money at this, because it really is just golf entertainment.  

 

 

The biggest change in the above, is LIV events essentially go away; their regular stroke play gets folded into the 10-12 elevated events.  And the team format get folded into the winter team series.  The PGAT itself barely changes, it mostly just gets its elevated events funded even more by Aramco/PIF.  It keeps it current structure for normal full-field events through the year.  So does DP Tour.  So does International Series.  And the four majors barely have to change anything, still using OWGR as its selection basis, while still allowing special invites to top winners/players from the various series.  

Edited March 18 by subrew

[Titleist99]

6 minutes ago, bscinstnct said:

 

The whole basis of the merger is to have events with the best players of each tour combined. 
 

Otherwise there is no point to it. 
 

 

Even with a merger or alliance or investment, whatever they choose to call it, there will be no change in the field's strength or structure. LIV will stay because the Tour wants it that way. They're just looking for a way to blame it on Jay Monahan and that's the way it should be. Making the alliance palatable to the public is a big part of it. IMO

[woahnelly]

 

I thought this was an ad for a "Risky Business" sequel starring Gooch daddy 

[bscinstnct]

30 minutes ago, Titleist99 said:

Even with a merger or alliance or investment, whatever they choose to call it, there will be no change in the field's strength or structure. LIV will stay because the Tour wants it that way. They're just looking for a way to blame it on Jay Monahan and that's the way it should be. Making the alliance palatable to the public is a big part of it. IMO

 

Im thinking there will be at least 2 but as many as 4 Aramco events with the top end of both tours and massive purses

 

And an RC event 

 

Not only do the top players from both tours want this, but it’s a big revenue booster as well

[bscinstnct]

37 minutes ago, subrew said:

I could see a multi-tier structure.  Have the 10-12 elevated events.  Full on "mixed" with the top players from every tour, including PGAT, LIV, DP, Asia etc.  Something like top 60 in the world, plus "x" number from the other orgs based on their yearly order of merit points rankings.  The idea is you get the top established players together more often, and provide 10-20 slots for the best of the smaller tour's players to join and show off their talents.  A majority of those could be title sponsored by Aramco/PIF, the remaining get divided up between the DP/PGAT top sponsors.  BMW, Fedex, Genesis, Mastercard, RBC etc.

 

Throw in the four majors, and you've got 14-16 big events a year.  That's pretty much every two weeks from Feb to September.  That's a lot of golf with the top players showing up.  

 

Each of the orgs carries on with their usual mid-tier level events through the year, and the "off-season."  PGAT, DP Tour, LIV/International series etc.  All of those orgs carry on with a 10-20 tournament season of full field full-cut events.  This is the bread and butter of the tours.  People earn their order of merit status and can graduate into the big events.  Genuine promotion and relegation.  

 

Then maybe in the off-season winter, do say three team format events, back-to-back-to-back.  Team TM, Team Callaway, Team Ping, Team BMW, etc.  Short 3-day match play formats over December and January.  Made for TV, different format, faster paced, reporters on the ground, knock-out style.  Just golf entertainment over the winter to get the juices flowing, keep the product on TV, and get guys warmed up for the start of the season.  PIF can throw huge money at this, because it really is just golf entertainment.  

 

 

The biggest change in the above, is LIV events essentially go away; their regular stroke play gets folded into the 10-12 elevated events.  And the team format get folded into the winter team series.  The PGAT itself barely changes, it mostly just gets its elevated events funded even more by Aramco/PIF.  It keeps it current structure for normal full-field events through the year.  So does DP Tour.  So does International Series.  And the four majors barely have to change anything, still using OWGR as its selection basis, while still allowing special invites to top winners/players from the various series.  

 

That’s very complicated.

 

Easiest to just have each tour run separately but have a certain number of events where the top end of both fields competing against each other. 
 

that’s what PIF wanted in the original agreement 

 

They just want the prestige of a few major caliber fields playing under their brand/Aramco

Edited March 18 by bscinstnct

[dcmidnight]

2 minutes ago, bscinstnct said:

 

That’s very complicated.

 

Easiest to just have each tour run separately but have a certain number of events where the top end of both fields competing against each other. 
 

that’s what PIF wanted in the original agreement 

 

They just want the prestige of a few major caliber fields playing under their brand/Aramco

 

This is another one of those "one way deals" - PIF gets their guys into bigger events or PIF gets their guys into more PGA events/majors/Ryder Cups. If I'm any of those PGAT guys at this meeting, I want to know when the road runs the other way.

 

Would say any of the PGAT Top 50 players be able to show up and play a LIV event when they wanted?

[bscinstnct]

2 minutes ago, dcmidnight said:

 

This is another one of those "one way deals" - PIF gets their guys into bigger events or PIF gets their guys into more PGA events/majors/Ryder Cups. If I'm any of those PGAT guys at this meeting, I want to know when the road runs the other way.

 

Would say any of the PGAT Top 50 players be able to show up and play a LIV event when they wanted?

 

The Aramco events are guys from each tour going to play in a new event. Not liv guys playing a pga tour event 

[bekgolf]

19 minutes ago, bscinstnct said:

 

The Aramco events are guys from each tour going to play in a new event. Not liv guys playing a pga tour event 

 

So it's a Liv event with stars from the PGA Tour?

[Shilgy]

21 minutes ago, dcmidnight said:

 

This is another one of those "one way deals" - PIF gets their guys into bigger events or PIF gets their guys into more PGA events/majors/Ryder Cups. If I'm any of those PGAT guys at this meeting, I want to know when the road runs the other way.

 

Would say any of the PGAT Top 50 players be able to show up and play a LIV event when they wanted?

Does it have to be though?  PIF pumps a bit of cash into the tour each year that raises each event to LIV payout levels…..and/or LIV events have lowered payouts(and I’d love to see their faces).🤣

 

Without it being worth more to play LIV how many really want the team/exhibition atmosphere week in week out?

[Shilgy]

2 minutes ago, bekgolf said:

 

So it's a Liv event with stars from the PGA Tour?

Doesn’t have to be…there are Armco events on other tours.  Without looking I think the LET, LPGA and DP tours have Saudi funded events.

[bscinstnct]

1 minute ago, bekgolf said:

 

So it's a Liv event with stars from the PGA Tour?

Ha!

We’ll figure around 70 players, that’s about what the elevated pga tour events have

 

50-55 from the tour and like 15-20 from LIV. No cut or a dinky cut like the new pga tour events. 4 rounds. 
 

Purse be massive. 

 

[dcmidnight]

Again, what motivation would the PGAT guys have for accepting a few new events? They have plenty of events. 

 

The new events would have to have no cut and say a $100M purse. Otherwise it seems like LIV is getting everything they want to help LIV improve things for their guys.

[bscinstnct]

39 minutes ago, dcmidnight said:

Again, what motivation would the PGAT guys have for accepting a few new events? They have plenty of events. 

 

The new events would have to have no cut and say a $100M purse. Otherwise it seems like LIV is getting everything they want to help LIV improve things for their guys.

 

PIF can fund LIV indefinitely and just keep weakening the pga tours field year after year. They will sign major winners and top 10 guys like clockwork 

 

Viewership will decline, advertisers will bolt, revenues shrink, purses shrink 

 

Death spiral 🌀 

 

So, no use wishing it wasn’t the case. 
 

 

Edited March 18 by bscinstnct

[bscinstnct]

🤣

 

 

 

[ahenderX]

53 minutes ago, Shilgy said:

Doesn’t have to be…there are Armco events on other tours.  Without looking I think the LET, LPGA and DP tours have Saudi funded events.

The LPGA and LET are now slaves to PIF. Just say no to Saudi money. Who cares who PIF poaches.

[subrew]

1 hour ago, bscinstnct said:

 

That’s very complicated.

 

Easiest to just have each tour run separately but have a certain number of events where the top end of both fields competing against each other. 
 

that’s what PIF wanted in the original agreement 

 

They just want the prestige of a few major caliber fields playing under their brand/Aramco

 

I don't think it is complicated at all, and pretty much matches up with your second sentence.

 

All of the existing tours (sans LIV) just carry on and do their thing.  They run their normal tour events through the year.  These are the "normal" full field events.  Nothing changes.

 

Now take the 14 LIV events, and the however many (14?) PGAT "Elevated events." Instead of having them separate, fold them into a single group of say 12-14 elevated events.  These elevated events could be the for profit arm of the newly created entity, without affecting how the individual series run their orgs now, other than just scheduling.  Some of these can be sponsored by Aramco/PIF, and the rest get sponsorship from existing PGAT big sponsors.  Make them 72 hole elevated events with huge money. This would basically kill off the LIV events, open up the new elevated events to top players from all series, and give Aramco/PIF a place to park $500m a year in huge sponsorship funds. 

 

That would give the golf world 12-14 top of field events with all the best players, plus the majors.  That's a lot of big event spread out over the 8-9 month season.

 

The only thing that gets added is an off-season team series, assuming a team atmosphere is carried on with any sort of merger.  Players get to choose if they even want to compete, whether they are former LIV or current PGAT or DP players.  But at least with the "merger" players from different sanctioning groups have the option to join a team.  

 

Edited March 18 by subrew

[subrew]

15 minutes ago, ahenderX said:

The LPGA and LET are now slaves to PIF. Just say no to Saudi money. Who cares who PIF poaches.

 

FWIW, the LPGA has no tie-in with the PIF.

 

The Aramco Team Series events are co-sanctioned by the LET.  A lot of top LPGA stars play in them, because the Aramco Team Series events are often held on off weekends, or opposite oversees events like in China that are terrible from a travel schedule.

 

But because some organization (LET) was willing to partner, they haven't tried to take over women's golf.  They have their 4-5 events each year, a team format, and players from all tour bodies can play.

 

I'm not saying it wouldn't have escalated past this point, but had for example the DP Tour been willing to co-sanction 5-6 big LIV/Aramco Team events, I'm betting LIV as we know it wouldn't exist.  

 

[ahenderX]

10 minutes ago, subrew said:

 

FWIW, the LPGA has no tie-in with the PIF.

 

The Aramco Team Series events are co-sanctioned by the LET.  A lot of top LPGA stars play in them, because the Aramco Team Series events are often held on off weekends, or opposite oversees events like in China that are terrible from a travel schedule.

 

But because some organization (LET) was willing to partner, they haven't tried to take over women's golf.  They have their 4-5 events each year, a team format, and players from all tour bodies can play.

 

I'm not saying it wouldn't have escalated past this point, but had for example the DP Tour been willing to co-sanction 5-6 big LIV/Aramco Team events, I'm betting LIV as we know it wouldn't exist.  

 

Saudi Golf/PIF squashed the LPGA/LET merger with a veiled threat. That tells me who’s running the show.

[notsohard]

"....

The PGA Tour is a dumpster fire and is clearly broken. Delusion has set in everywhere with anti-LIV Golf sycophants.   

Make no mistake, today’s meeting in the Bahamas is the second capitulation of the PGA Tour.  

We comically have Rory McIlroy saying, “there’s a really big disconnect between PIF and LIV”.  Rory is saying we aren’t supposed to remember the “blood money” narrative and court cases saying LIV and the Saudis are one and the same.   

It’s the culmination of nursing Tiger Woods to the table (I suspect he’ll be there) after the SSG boys have been watching their cash getting burned through while ratings are down a third this season.

Monahan is a fractured leader the players don’t trust.   His public solution (privately knows they need to make a deal) at this week’s press conference is to keep hallucinating and bury the PGA Tour’s head in the sand and pretend like things can go on like they always have. Up until The Players, no one has been able to tell the difference between an elevated event and a regular tournament except the WM Open clearly set itself apart as a drunk fest. 

So where does all of this go?
I still see golf heading where I predicted last year.  There’s going to be a number of healthy Tours (including a scaled down PGA Tour) and LIV Golf is not only going to thrive but is going to be the Formula One of golf – a pinnacle world tour.  And, teams aren’t going away. It’s ironic the PGA Tour is schizophrenic over the fact that it’s become a feeder tour to LIV Golf after years of doing the same to international and European tours.

Even Rory is starting to use the Formula One analogy when discussing a world tour (which is LIV).  He shows that the staunchest PGA Tour loyalists have slowly started to understand where this is going and why – it makes the most business sense. 

Why then, are we seeing Rory make Greg Norman and LIV Golf the bogey man?  I believe it’s to appease Tiger Woods and get him to meet with Al-Rumayyan.  I’ve seen it a million times in deal making.  When a party to the negotiation has to pivot and reverse themselves, they always make up a bad guy to use as a reason for a shift from a prior position.  It’s called re-framing. Psychologically, it gives the losing side an out. They can do a deal with Yasir Al-Rumayyan because he’s not the big bad wolf – which we are now hearing is Greg Norman and LIV Golf.  

By the way, if you think there is separation between Norman and Al-Rumayyan, I’ve got a great vacuum cleaner to sell you.

Everyone that is sane can see that PIF is going all in with the Asian and International Tours. Combined with LIV, they are creating a bemouth overseas.  The PGA Tour grew because of Tiger Woods and now, he can’t play them out of this mess.  They don’t have the star power to keep the TV ratings at a place where TV networks will remain appeased.

The PGA Tour is going to have to scale down the number tournaments and elevated events to survive.  They will also have to improve the fan experience at tournaments and cut down the insane number of commercials for TV viewers.  Showing more actual golf shots (like LIV) is the future.

The PGA Tour is also going to have to let LIV players participate in elevated events if they so choose and this will be the thing that saves the PGA Tour.

In fact, the best thing for viewers would be to have a PGA Tour vs. LIV Golf storyline in some events and we would finally see more eyeballs watching all golf.

Last year, I said this can either go the easy way or the hard way but we were going to end up with LIV and the PGA Tour co-existing whether merged or not. So far, the PGA Tour has started down the hard road path.

Let’s hope SSG watching their money go down the toilet (causing today’s meeting) has finally got us towards the easy way."

[bscinstnct]

29 minutes ago, subrew said:

 

I don't think it is complicated at all, and pretty much matches up with your second sentence.

 

All of the existing tours (sans LIV) just carry on and do their thing.  They run their normal tour events through the year.  These are the "normal" full field events.  Nothing changes.

 

Now take the 14 LIV events, and the however many (14?) PGAT "Elevated events." Instead of having them separate, fold them into a single group of say 12-14 elevated events.  These elevated events could be the for profit arm of the newly created entity, without affecting how the individual series run their orgs now, other than just scheduling.  Some of these can be sponsored by Aramco/PIF, and the rest get sponsorship from existing PGAT big sponsors.  Make them 72 hole elevated events with huge money. This would basically kill off the LIV events, open up the new elevated events to top players from all series, and give Aramco/PIF a place to park $500m a year in huge sponsorship funds. 

 

That would give the golf world 12-14 top of field events with all the best players, plus the majors.  That's a lot of big event spread out over the 8-9 month season.

 

The only thing that gets added is an off-season team series, assuming a team atmosphere is carried on with any sort of merger.  Players get to choose if they even want to compete, whether they are former LIV or current PGAT or DP players.  But at least with the "merger" players from different sanctioning groups have the option to join a team.  

 

 

What happens to the 30 liv guys or more who aren’t good enough to play the 14 top tier events?

 

They just disband liv and fire them all?

[ahenderX]

27 minutes ago, subrew said:

 

I don't think it is complicated at all, and pretty much matches up with your second sentence.

 

All of the existing tours (sans LIV) just carry on and do their thing.  They run their normal tour events through the year.  These are the "normal" full field events.  Nothing changes.

 

Now take the 14 LIV events, and the however many (14?) PGAT "Elevated events." Instead of having them separate, fold them into a single group of say 12-14 elevated events.  These elevated events could be the for profit arm of the newly created entity, without affecting how the individual series run their orgs now, other than just scheduling.  Some of these can be sponsored by Aramco/PIF, and the rest get sponsorship from existing PGAT big sponsors.  Make them 72 hole elevated events with huge money. This would basically kill off the LIV events, open up the new elevated events to top players from all series, and give Aramco/PIF a place to park $500m a year in huge sponsorship funds. 

 

That would give the golf world 12-14 top of field events with all the best players, plus the majors.  That's a lot of big event spread out over the 8-9 month season.

 

The only thing that gets added is an off-season team series, assuming a team atmosphere is carried on with any sort of merger.  Players get to choose if they even want to compete, whether they are former LIV or current PGAT or DP players.  But at least with the "merger" players from different sanctioning groups have the option to join a team.  

 

14 elevated events will completely alienate those outside the top 70, or whatever the field size is. Virtually no top players would play in the other 20 non major events. Why would they?

[ahenderX]

10 minutes ago, notsohard said:

"....

The PGA Tour is a dumpster fire and is clearly broken. Delusion has set in everywhere with anti-LIV Golf sycophants.   

Make no mistake, today’s meeting in the Bahamas is the second capitulation of the PGA Tour.  

We comically have Rory McIlroy saying, “there’s a really big disconnect between PIF and LIV”.  Rory is saying we aren’t supposed to remember the “blood money” narrative and court cases saying LIV and the Saudis are one and the same.   

It’s the culmination of nursing Tiger Woods to the table (I suspect he’ll be there) after the SSG boys have been watching their cash getting burned through while ratings are down a third this season.

Monahan is a fractured leader the players don’t trust.   His public solution (privately knows they need to make a deal) at this week’s press conference is to keep hallucinating and bury the PGA Tour’s head in the sand and pretend like things can go on like they always have. Up until The Players, no one has been able to tell the difference between an elevated event and a regular tournament except the WM Open clearly set itself apart as a drunk fest. 

So where does all of this go?
I still see golf heading where I predicted last year.  There’s going to be a number of healthy Tours (including a scaled down PGA Tour) and LIV Golf is not only going to thrive but is going to be the Formula One of golf – a pinnacle world tour.  And, teams aren’t going away. It’s ironic the PGA Tour is schizophrenic over the fact that it’s become a feeder tour to LIV Golf after years of doing the same to international and European tours.

Even Rory is starting to use the Formula One analogy when discussing a world tour (which is LIV).  He shows that the staunchest PGA Tour loyalists have slowly started to understand where this is going and why – it makes the most business sense. 

Why then, are we seeing Rory make Greg Norman and LIV Golf the bogey man?  I believe it’s to appease Tiger Woods and get him to meet with Al-Rumayyan.  I’ve seen it a million times in deal making.  When a party to the negotiation has to pivot and reverse themselves, they always make up a bad guy to use as a reason for a shift from a prior position.  It’s called re-framing. Psychologically, it gives the losing side an out. They can do a deal with Yasir Al-Rumayyan because he’s not the big bad wolf – which we are now hearing is Greg Norman and LIV Golf.  

By the way, if you think there is separation between Norman and Al-Rumayyan, I’ve got a great vacuum cleaner to sell you.

Everyone that is sane can see that PIF is going all in with the Asian and International Tours. Combined with LIV, they are creating a bemouth overseas.  The PGA Tour grew because of Tiger Woods and now, he can’t play them out of this mess.  They don’t have the star power to keep the TV ratings at a place where TV networks will remain appeased.

The PGA Tour is going to have to scale down the number tournaments and elevated events to survive.  They will also have to improve the fan experience at tournaments and cut down the insane number of commercials for TV viewers.  Showing more actual golf shots (like LIV) is the future.

The PGA Tour is also going to have to let LIV players participate in elevated events if they so choose and this will be the thing that saves the PGA Tour.

In fact, the best thing for viewers would be to have a PGA Tour vs. LIV Golf storyline in some events and we would finally see more eyeballs watching all golf.

Last year, I said this can either go the easy way or the hard way but we were going to end up with LIV and the PGA Tour co-existing whether merged or not. So far, the PGA Tour has started down the hard road path.

Let’s hope SSG watching their money go down the toilet (causing today’s meeting) has finally got us towards the easy way."

Alert!!  LIV is in no way like F1. Never was, never will be.

[bekgolf]

13 minutes ago, notsohard said:

"....

The PGA Tour is a dumpster fire and is clearly broken. Delusion has set in everywhere with anti-LIV Golf sycophants.   

Make no mistake, today’s meeting in the Bahamas is the second capitulation of the PGA Tour.  

We comically have Rory McIlroy saying, “there’s a really big disconnect between PIF and LIV”.  Rory is saying we aren’t supposed to remember the “blood money” narrative and court cases saying LIV and the Saudis are one and the same.   

It’s the culmination of nursing Tiger Woods to the table (I suspect he’ll be there) after the SSG boys have been watching their cash getting burned through while ratings are down a third this season.

Monahan is a fractured leader the players don’t trust.   His public solution (privately knows they need to make a deal) at this week’s press conference is to keep hallucinating and bury the PGA Tour’s head in the sand and pretend like things can go on like they always have. Up until The Players, no one has been able to tell the difference between an elevated event and a regular tournament except the WM Open clearly set itself apart as a drunk fest. 

So where does all of this go?
I still see golf heading where I predicted last year.  There’s going to be a number of healthy Tours (including a scaled down PGA Tour) and LIV Golf is not only going to thrive but is going to be the Formula One of golf – a pinnacle world tour.  And, teams aren’t going away. It’s ironic the PGA Tour is schizophrenic over the fact that it’s become a feeder tour to LIV Golf after years of doing the same to international and European tours.

Even Rory is starting to use the Formula One analogy when discussing a world tour (which is LIV).  He shows that the staunchest PGA Tour loyalists have slowly started to understand where this is going and why – it makes the most business sense. 

Why then, are we seeing Rory make Greg Norman and LIV Golf the bogey man?  I believe it’s to appease Tiger Woods and get him to meet with Al-Rumayyan.  I’ve seen it a million times in deal making.  When a party to the negotiation has to pivot and reverse themselves, they always make up a bad guy to use as a reason for a shift from a prior position.  It’s called re-framing. Psychologically, it gives the losing side an out. They can do a deal with Yasir Al-Rumayyan because he’s not the big bad wolf – which we are now hearing is Greg Norman and LIV Golf.  

By the way, if you think there is separation between Norman and Al-Rumayyan, I’ve got a great vacuum cleaner to sell you.

Everyone that is sane can see that PIF is going all in with the Asian and International Tours. Combined with LIV, they are creating a bemouth overseas.  The PGA Tour grew because of Tiger Woods and now, he can’t play them out of this mess.  They don’t have the star power to keep the TV ratings at a place where TV networks will remain appeased.

The PGA Tour is going to have to scale down the number tournaments and elevated events to survive.  They will also have to improve the fan experience at tournaments and cut down the insane number of commercials for TV viewers.  Showing more actual golf shots (like LIV) is the future.

The PGA Tour is also going to have to let LIV players participate in elevated events if they so choose and this will be the thing that saves the PGA Tour.

In fact, the best thing for viewers would be to have a PGA Tour vs. LIV Golf storyline in some events and we would finally see more eyeballs watching all golf.

Last year, I said this can either go the easy way or the hard way but we were going to end up with LIV and the PGA Tour co-existing whether merged or not. So far, the PGA Tour has started down the hard road path.

Let’s hope SSG watching their money go down the toilet (causing today’s meeting) has finally got us towards the easy way."

 

The best thing for viewers is for Liv to disappear.  The best thing for Liv is to disappear.  PGA fans don't want it.  PGA fans won't watch it.

 

Liv has to develop it's own fan base in order to survive.  Trying to poach PGA Tour fans won't work, I understand it's the shortcut that Liv wants to follow but it's a dead end.

[woahnelly]

3 hours ago, Shilgy said:

Doesn’t have to be…there are Armco events on other tours.  Without looking I think the LET, LPGA and DP tours have Saudi funded events.

 

300 pages ago I said on here I'm sure the Saudis would be content having Aramco events in the mens game, they can still have their teams but it would be one off cases and dubbed "Team Fowler" or "Team Speith" and he forgotten until the next one. Now we have to see Rahm strut around Augusta in a Thundercats logo. Because unfortunately for them, the devil like Greg Norman aligned forces first and coerced a nuclear strike onto the sport. 

In Greg's mind, LIV is booming based on the results in Adelaide. When watching the coverage in HK, they showed Norman signing hats in the merch tent.  That was likely in response to PIF pressure to increase attendance. Nothing but a meet and greet with the old Shark can't fix. 

Edited March 18 by woahnelly

[Hawkeye77]

27 minutes ago, notsohard said:

 

None of it really worth quoting.

 

TV ratings are just a current blah, blah talking point.  The networks are locked in until 2030 - foreign deal redone late last year.  

 

It's a false narrative - how is the Tour losing money?  

 

SSG invested in PGA Tour Enterprises - please detail how much money it has lost since January.

[Shilgy]

2 hours ago, ahenderX said:

The LPGA and LET are now slaves to PIF. Just say no to Saudi money. Who cares who PIF poaches.

In general I agree with that.  I was just replying to an alternative.

[Shilgy]

1 hour ago, Hawkeye77 said:

None of it really worth quoting.

 

TV ratings are just a current blah, blah talking point.  The networks are locked in until 2030 - foreign deal redone late last year.  

 

It's a false narrative - how is the Tour losing money?  

 

SSG invested in PGA Tour Enterprises - please detail how much money it has lost since January.

You know by now who @notsohard is….even have pics to prove it.  

 

You didn’t know LIV is thriving?🤣

 

 

[Ghost of Snead]

2 hours ago, subrew said:

Now take the 14 LIV events, and the however many (14?) PGAT "Elevated events." Instead of having them separate, fold them into a single group of say 12-14 elevated events.  These elevated events could be the for profit arm of the newly created entity, without affecting how the individual series run their orgs now, other than just scheduling.  Some of these can be sponsored by Aramco/PIF, and the rest get sponsorship from existing PGAT big sponsors.  Make them 72 hole elevated events with huge money. This would basically kill off the LIV events, open up the new elevated events to top players from all series, and give Aramco/PIF a place to park $500m a year in huge sponsorship funds.

 

If LIV dies, what happens to the remainder of their players who don't qualify for the "elevated" events ?  Can't have all 48 LIV players in an elevated event. 

 

And SSG is going to want a piece of these events as well ...