Jump to content

Why was there no 460cc 983E/905S?


golferdude54
 Share

Recommended Posts

When Titleist released their first 460cc driver, the 905R, it was touted as the 460cc version of the 905T which was shallow. The 905S on the other hand was deep, with the 983E as its predecessor.

 

So why was there never a release of the 460cc version of 905S/983E then? It seems like they were both popular heads, obviously the 983K overshadowed the E but that was not the case with 905T over S. I bet such a driver would still be popular today.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, golferdude54 said:

When Titleist released their first 460cc driver, the 905R, it was touted as the 460cc version of the 905T which was shallow. The 905S on the other hand was deep, with the 983E as its predecessor.

 

So why was there never a release of the 460cc version of 905S/983E then? It seems like they were both popular heads, obviously the 983K overshadowed the E but that was not the case with 905T over S. I bet such a driver would still be popular today.

I think the deep heads of that era were more popular on forums than in real life. 
 

I remember working in a golf store at the time, and all the popular forum drivers like the Mizuno 300s, 510TP, and 983E hardly ever moved off the racks. 
 

The 983E in particular didn’t budge. We didn’t sell one until they were discontinued and we took them down from £299 to £199. Even then, they only sold because they were cheap. 
 

One of my colleagues was off +1 and a fantastic ball striker, he tried the E and thought it was too much, so took a K instead. 

  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

I think the Tm R7 425 was around that time and very popular with the weights being moveable.I still have 905T and love 400cc. Its the Ad Men that convince you the 360cc is too small...search 2011ish Yonex Ezone in 380 or 420. Very Cool or Nike Vr Tour420cc🙂

2020 18 July mid winterNZ
Ping Rapture 2006 10.5
Nike VrS 3wood
Callaway Razr Edge5 wood

MP100=33 9876 5/mp63
54     RTX2
60     RTX2
ProPlatinum NewportTwo
2002 325gram +8.NewGrip
Dont hesitate to buy one!






 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Old school deep heads were "yesterdays" tech on getting a low spin driver......but they were NOT forgiving.

 

Tech has advanced where you dont need a deep face to get low spin....and you can retain forgiveness.

 

There are still some deeper face drivers out there. Id argue the 915 D4 would be a modern 983e.

 

Current model TSi/r 3 and 4 are reasonably deep face drivers as well.

Titleist TSi3 8° (set to 7°) - Accra TZ6 65 M5

Cobra Rad Speed Tour 5 Wood 16° - Speeder 757 Evo TS X

Mizuno MP Fli Hi 18° - C Taper 125 S+
Mizuno MP Fli Hi 23° - C Taper 120 S
Srixon z785 5-PW - KBS TourV X
Cleveland Zipcore 50° - Tour S400

Ping Glide Eye 3.0 54°/58°  - ZZ115
Seemore mFGP2 
Podcast - "Rough Fairways - A Journey to the PGA Tour" available on Spotify - Pandora - Apple

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I might be mis-remembering but back during the 983/905 heyday 460cc heads hadn't become the fully accepted norm yet. There was still a lot of drivers on the market that were smaller.

 

I believe the original R7 was 365cc for example. The original Cleveland Launcher was 400cc i think

 

My guess would be that is a big reason why, 460cc heads just weren't as common

  • Like 1

PXG 0311 Gen5 w/PX RDX Smoke Black 70

PXG 0211 15* w/PX RDX Smoke Black 70

Sub70 659CB 3-AW RAW w/KBS Tour

Sub70 JB wedges 54/60 RAW w/KBS tour

Deschamps Crisp Antique

Link to comment
Share on other sites

5 minutes ago, MtlJeff said:

I might be mis-remembering but back during the 983/905 heyday 460cc heads hadn't become the fully accepted norm yet. There was still a lot of drivers on the market that were smaller.

 

I believe the original R7 was 365cc for example. The original Cleveland Launcher was 400cc i think

 

My guess would be that is a big reason why, 460cc heads just weren't as common

Correct; in keeping with their way of doing things, Titleist was at the caboose end of the train when it came to designing drivers at the maximum legal volume. Also true for adjustable hosel tech, adjustable CG, multi-material head designs, variable face thickness etc. etc. 

Edited by bcflyguy1
  • Like 1

OEM Certified Master Fitter

 

"Never forget that the luxury of being
wrong is not enough to make you right."
WITB Link

Link to comment
Share on other sites

 Not one mainstream golf company thought anyone would be interested in a club head that large. Think about it, when most golfers were still playing a lot of wooden heads that were sub-300cc as well as several early "metalheads" the same size , or marginally larger., a 460 head looked HUGE!!! You could buy 460-500cc heads from Bang and Bullet, etc. but it wasn't until Cally saw a market for the 460cc that it really caught on. And while the Big Bertha looked like a bell-pepper on a stick to me, there were obviously legions who bought it and loved it.

 

FWIW the 983K (365cc) was considered a large head for a Titleist driver in 2004 and the reason the (e) was made, you know, to accommodate the more discriminating golfer who wanted to transition to a Titleist non-wooden driver.

 

But to answer your original question, you couldn't have held a gun on the decision-makers at Acushnet and make them design, build, and offer a 460cc head in those days. It simply went against everything in their DNA to offer such an abomination with their name on it.

Edited by nitram

TaylorMade Stealth Plus 9*                        MCA Diamana X17 60

TaylorMade SIM2 Ti 3WD                         MCA Diamana X17 70

TaylorMade SIM2 Ti 5WD                         MCA Diamana ZF  80T
MIURA TC-201   4-6                                  MCA MMT-105

MIURA MB-101   7-P                                  MCA MMT-125
Chikara V1 Prototype  50, 55, 60                MCA MMT-125 (8-iron)

Bettinardi DASS MiNOVAi 3.0 Tour Proto

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

8 minutes ago, nitram said:

With the Cally 460cc ERC II being deemed illegal over a decade prior to the intro of the 983K/R510 TP, not one mainstream golf company thought anyone would be interested in a club head that large. Think about it, when most golfers were still playing a lot of wooden heads that were sub-300cc as well as several early "metalheads" the same size , or marginally larger., a 460 head looked HUGE!!! You could buy 460-500cc heads from Bang and Bullet, etc. but it wasn't until Cally saw a market for the 460cc that it really caught on. And while the Big Bertha looked like a bell-pepper on a stick to me, there were obviously legions who bought it and loved it.

 

FWIW the 983K (365cc) was considered a large head for a Titleist driver in 2004 and the reason the (e) was made, you know, to accommodate the more discriminating golfer who wanted to transition to a Titleist non-wooden driver.

 

But to answer your original question, you couldn't have held a gun on the decision-makers at Acushnet and make them design, build, and offer a 460cc head in those days. It simply went against everything in their DNA to offer such an abomination with their name on it.

ERC 2 was banned for exceeding COR limit of .830, but it was only about 350cc.

OEM Certified Master Fitter

 

"Never forget that the luxury of being
wrong is not enough to make you right."
WITB Link

Link to comment
Share on other sites

7 minutes ago, bcflyguy1 said:

ERC 2 was banned for exceeding COR limit of .830, but it was only about 350cc.

You're right and I thought I'd edited that part out. I'll try again.

  • Like 1

TaylorMade Stealth Plus 9*                        MCA Diamana X17 60

TaylorMade SIM2 Ti 3WD                         MCA Diamana X17 70

TaylorMade SIM2 Ti 5WD                         MCA Diamana ZF  80T
MIURA TC-201   4-6                                  MCA MMT-105

MIURA MB-101   7-P                                  MCA MMT-125
Chikara V1 Prototype  50, 55, 60                MCA MMT-125 (8-iron)

Bettinardi DASS MiNOVAi 3.0 Tour Proto

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

30 minutes ago, nitram said:

You're right and I thought I'd edited that part out. I'll try again.

No worries...funny thing about the ERC II was that even though it was illegal I don't recall it being appreciably longer for anybody who tried it, to include myself.

Back in that '01-'02 time frame, the biggest thing in most shops was the Hippo Giant, and though it looked freakishly big compared to others even it wasn't on the limit IIRC.

OEM Certified Master Fitter

 

"Never forget that the luxury of being
wrong is not enough to make you right."
WITB Link

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

 Share

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.
  • Our picks

    • 2022 Sanderson Farms - Discussion and Links
      Please put and questions or comment here
       
       
      General Albums
       
      2022 Sanderson Farms - Monday #1
      2022 Sanderson Farms - Monday #2
      2022 Sanderson Farms - Monday #3
       
       
       
       
      WITB Albums
       
      Eric Cole - WITB - 2022 Sanderson Farms
      Jackson Suber - WITB - 2022 Sanderson Farms
       
       
       
       
       
      Pull out Albums
       
      Custom Toulon putter - 2022 Sanderson Farms
      Dean Burmester & Vince Whaley custom Cameron putters - 2022 Sanderson Farms
       
       
       
       
       
       
      • 3 replies
    • 2022 Fortinet Championship - Discussion and Links
      Please put any questions or comments here
       
       
      General Albums
       
      2022 Fortinet Championship - Monday #1
      2022 Fortinet Championship - Monday #2
      2022 Fortinet Championship - Monday #3
      2022 Fortinet Championship - Monday #4
      2022 Fortinet Championship - Monday #5
      2022 Fortinet Championship - Tuesday #1
      2022 Fortinet Championship - Tuesday #2
      2022 Fortinet Championship - Tuesday #3
      2022 Fortinet Championship - Tuesday #4
       
       
       
      WITB Albums
       
      Augusto Nunez - WITB - 2022 Fortinet Championship
      Harry Hall - WITB - 2022 Fortinet Championship
      Kevin Roy - WITB - 2022 Fortinet Championship
      Philip Knowles - WITB - 2022 Fortinet Championship
      Taylor Montgomery - WITB - 2022 Fortinet Championship
      Nico Echavarria - WITB - 2022 Fortinet Championship
      Harrison Endycott - WITB - 2022 Fortinet Championship
      Byeong Hun An - WITB - 2022 Fortinet Championship
      Tano Goya - WITB - 2022 Fortinet Championship
      Alex Lee - WITB - 2022 Fortinet Championship
      Jimmy Walker - WITB - 2022 Fortinet Championship
      Rickie Fowler - WITB - 2022 Fortinet Championship
      Beau Hossler - WITB - 2022 Fortinet Championship
      Ryan Moore WITB – 2022 Fortinet Championship
      Zecheng "Marty" Dou WITB – 2022 Fortinet Championship
      S.H. (Seong-hyeong) Kim WITB – 2022 Fortinet Championship
      Vincent Norrman WITB – 2022 Fortinet Championship
       
       
       
      Pull out Albums
       
       
      Kramer Hickok’s custom Cameron putter - 2022 Fortinet Championship
      New Odyssey putter covers - 2022 Fortinet Championship
      Kevin Tway's new Wilson Dynapwr driver - 2022 Fortinet Championship
      Rickie Fowler with new Cobra King Tour irons - 2022 Fortinet Championship
      Rickie Fowler, Ryan Brehm & Doug Ghim - Cameron putters - 2022 Fortinet Championship
      Ping PLD putters - 2022 Fortinet Championship
      Greyson Sigg - new Mizuno JPX 923 Tour irons - 2022 Fortinet Championship
      Srixon MKII X5 & X7 drivers - 2022 Fortinet Championship
      Fujikura Ventus Black TR and Red TR shafts - 2022 Fortinet Championship
      Tyson Alexander's custom Cameron putter - 2022 Fortinet Championship
      Hideki Matsuyama's new Srixon ZX5 MKII LS driver (and putting drill) – 2022 Fortinet Championship
       
       
       
       
       
      • 10 replies
    • 2022 Ascension Charity Classic (PGA Tour Champions) - Discussion and Links
      Please put and questions or comments here
       
       
       
      General Albums
       
      2022 Ascension Charity Classic (PGA Tour Champions) - Tuesday #1
      2022 Ascension Charity Classic (PGA Tour Champions) - Tuesday #2
      2022 Ascension Charity Classic (PGA Tour Champions) - Tuesday #3
       
       
       
       
      WITB Albums
       
      Ken Duke - WITB 2022 Ascension Charity Classic (PGA Tour Champions)
      Jay Haas - WITB 2022 Ascension Charity Classic (PGA Tour Champions)
      David McKenzie - WITB 2022 Ascension Charity Classic (PGA Tour Champions)
      Scott McCarron - WITB 2022 Ascension Charity Classic (PGA Tour Champions)
      Brett Quigley - WITB 2022 Ascension Charity Classic (PGA Tour Champions)
      Tim Petrovic - WITB 2022 Ascension Charity Classic (PGA Tour Champions)
      Dickey Pride - WITB 2022 Ascension Charity Classic (PGA Tour Champions)
      Tim O'Neal - WITB 2022 Ascension Charity Classic (PGA Tour Champions)
       
       
       
       
       
       
       
        • Thanks
        • Like
      • 26 replies
    • 2022 Korn Ferry Tour Championship - Discussion and Links
      Please put any questions or comments here
       
       
       
      General Albums
       
       
      2022 Korn Ferry Tour Championship - Monday #1
      2022 Korn Ferry Tour Championship - Monday #2
      2022 Korn Ferry Tour Championship - Monday #3
       
       
       
      WITB Albums
       
       
      Jeff Overton - WITB - 2022 Korn Ferry Tour Championship
      Kevin Yu - WITB - 2022 Korn Ferry Tour Championship
      Carson Young - WITB - 2022 Korn Ferry Tour Championship
      Shawn Stefani - WITB - 2022 Korn Ferry Tour Championship
      Pontus Nyholm - WITB - 2022 Korn Ferry Tour Championship
      Yannik Paul - WITB - 2022 Korn Ferry Tour Championship
      Jeremy Paul - WITB - 2022 Korn Ferry Tour Championship
      Andrew Kozan - WITB - 2022 Korn Ferry Tour Championship
      Jose De Jesus Rodriguez - WITB - 2022 Korn Ferry Tour Championship
      MJ Daffue - WITB - 2022 Korn Ferry Tour Championship
      Trevor Werbylo - WITB - 2022 Korn Ferry Tour Championship
       
       
       
       
       
       
       
       
       
      • 4 replies
    • 2022 Tour Championship - Discussion and Links
      Please put and questions or comments here
       
       
      General Albums
       
       
      2022 Tour Championship - Tuesday #1
      2022 Tour Championship - Tuesday #2
      2022 Tour Championship - Tuesday #3
      2022 Tour Championship - Tuesday #4
       
       
       
      WITB Albums
       
       
      Sam Burns - WITB - 2022 Tour Championship
      Corey Conners - WITB - 2022 Tour Championship
      Sepp Straka - WITB - 2022 Tour Championship
       
       
       
      Pullout albums
       
       
      Odyssey prototype putter - 2022 Tour Championship
      Odyssey putters - 2022 Tour Championship
       
       
       
       
       
       
        • Like
      • 1 reply

×
×
  • Create New...