A bit disappointed in Fujikura Axoim's

[ATatman10]

I am curious of the opinion from others who have tried graphite shafts or the new Axiom shafts. I have been gaming MKII ZX7's in a Modus 120S and was really excited to try Axoim's and graphite shafts in general as this was the first time for a graphite iron shaft for me. I also play a Ventus Blue in Driver/3W and a Ventus Red in 5W and very happy with that setup, hoping the Velocore would prove the same consistency in irons. For reference, my driver club head speed is about 100 and my 7 iron carry number is 165. 

 

I picked up a set of mint P760 heads and a set of BB&F Ferrules and had a beautiful new iron set created. Unfortunately, after a few range sessions and a round yesterday - I am a bit disappointed. Most all my iron shots were short, higher, and had much more spin than I am used to seeing -  I nearly rolled a 9 iron back with spin. 

 

My question: could the 105S be too light for me - causing less club head speed, less distance and also more spin? 

Edited September 18, 2023 by ATatman10

[Mobert19]

Can you get on a launch monitor?

[crsmith1234]

Are the lofts on the 760 the same as the srixons? how much shorter?

 

Chris

 

[animalgolfs]

Sorta tuff to match up Modus 120, as the profile is unique.

 

Not surprised you struggled- fitting into graphite is PIA when looking for Modus 120 match

[GolfTurkey]

Apart from the unique profile as @animalgolfs mentioned, that's also a fair weight drop, which may be throwing off your swing.

 

Sometimes a heavier swing weight can compensate for a lighter shaft, so you could experiment by adding a gram or two of lead tape at a time to say your 7 iron and then hitting it. Repeat until you get better results or it starts feeling too heavy. 

[Avidswampthing66]

39 minutes ago, ATatman10 said:

I am curious of the opinion from others who have tried graphite shafts or the new Axioms shafts. I have been gaming MKII ZX7's in a Modus 120S and was really excited to try Axoim's and graphite shafts in general as this was the first time for a graphite iron shaft for me. I also play a Ventus Blue in Driver/3W and a Ventus Red in 5W and very happy with that setup, hoping the Velocore would prove the same consistency in irons. For reference, my driver club head speed is about 100 and my 7 iron carry number is 165. 

 

I picked up a set of mint P760 heads and a set of BB&F Ferrules and had a beautiful new iron set created. Unfortunately, after a few range sessions and a round yesterday - I am a bit disappointed. Most all my iron shots were short, higher, and had much more spin than I am used to seeing -  I nearly rolled a 9 iron back with spin. 

 

My question: could the 105S be too light for me - causing less club head speed, less distance and also more spin? 

We need more inf... but the P760s loft package is slightly weaker than Zx7.  The weight difference is pretty substantial as well.   I wouldn't count out the shafts yet tho...but I would look hard at Axiom 120

[Avidswampthing66]

Also, give it some time.  Give yourself a few range sessions and some course play before giving up on a set.  Totally different feels 

[Shilgy]

21 minutes ago, Avidswampthing66 said:

We need more inf... but the P760s loft package is slightly weaker than Zx7.  The weight difference is pretty substantial as well.   I wouldn't count out the shafts yet tho...but I would look hard at Axiom 120

1° at 7 iron. Definitely “slightly” weaker. Based on his description of “most all were short” I agree he should not count them out as yet.

 

OP….how much shorter?  A few yards I would call just getting used to lighter weight.  If substantially shorter light may not be for you.

Edited September 18, 2023 by Shilgy

[ATatman10]

2 hours ago, crsmith1234 said:

Are the lofts on the 760 the same as the srixons? how much shorter?

 

Chris

 

I believe the lofts are 1* off on 3 clubs, otherwise they are the same. I was about a club short on most shots, and did not think a degree of loft would affect it that much. 

[ATatman10]

2 hours ago, Mobert19 said:

Can you get on a launch monitor?

 

I have a superstore near me that I will try to get on this week

[AlohaPineapple]

shorter, higher, with more spin sounds like maybe the shaft impacted your timing and your release is happening a bit earlier than usual?

[ATatman10]

58 minutes ago, Shilgy said:

1° at 7 iron. Definitely “slightly” weaker. Based on his description of “most all were short” I agree he should not count them out as yet.

 

OP….how much shorter?  A few yards I would call just getting used to lighter weight.  If substantially shorter light may not be for you.

 
I was about a club short, I will definitely give them another round a practice session and time on a monitor. 

[ATatman10]

1 hour ago, Avidswampthing66 said:

Also, give it some time.  Give yourself a few range sessions and some course play before giving up on a set.  Totally different feels 

That’s the plan - when you find the center (even slightly on the toe) with this setup - the feel and turf interaction is amazing. Even better than ZX7s - just need the dispersion and distance to tighten up 

Edited September 18, 2023 by ATatman10

[shaolingolfer]

As iron head to iron head, P760 should launch higher and spin more based on what I know.  So you hit the lighter graphite shaft higher and spin more with a a iron head that is supposed to spin more, that's just normal.

[bosgolfer]

I find the 105 S  Mid iron shafts spin quite a bit more than the short iron ones.  You may be losing distance with excessive spin.

[Pnwpingi210]

My experience as well as within the group of guys I play with is zx7 is half a club to a club longer than any other players irons.  It’s a spin killer for most players.

[hammergolf]

5 hours ago, ATatman10 said:

I am curious of the opinion from others who have tried graphite shafts or the new Axiom shafts. I have been gaming MKII ZX7's in a Modus 120S and was really excited to try Axoim's and graphite shafts in general as this was the first time for a graphite iron shaft for me. I also play a Ventus Blue in Driver/3W and a Ventus Red in 5W and very happy with that setup, hoping the Velocore would prove the same consistency in irons. For reference, my driver club head speed is about 100 and my 7 iron carry number is 165. 

 

I picked up a set of mint P760 heads and a set of BB&F Ferrules and had a beautiful new iron set created. Unfortunately, after a few range sessions and a round yesterday - I am a bit disappointed. Most all my iron shots were short, higher, and had much more spin than I am used to seeing -  I nearly rolled a 9 iron back with spin. 

 

My question: could the 105S be too light for me - causing less club head speed, less distance and also more spin? 

Two things, ZX7 are a much lower spinning head than the P760 in addition to the 1* loft difference. In addition, the 105 will add launch, spin, and peak height with tighter dispersion vs Modus 120. That’s what they were designed to do. I think when the 125 S is released it would be a better option for. OR, try them in your ZX7 heads and it may be a better fit for you.

[Kaitsu68]

Am I alone to not see a problem in OPs situation? I prefer spin to length in iron shots. 

[NRJyzr]

8 hours ago, ATatman10 said:

I am curious of the opinion from others who have tried graphite shafts or the new Axiom shafts. I have been gaming MKII ZX7's in a Modus 120S and was really excited to try Axoim's and graphite shafts in general as this was the first time for a graphite iron shaft for me. I also play a Ventus Blue in Driver/3W and a Ventus Red in 5W and very happy with that setup, hoping the Velocore would prove the same consistency in irons. For reference, my driver club head speed is about 100 and my 7 iron carry number is 165. 

 

I picked up a set of mint P760 heads and a set of BB&F Ferrules and had a beautiful new iron set created. Unfortunately, after a few range sessions and a round yesterday - I am a bit disappointed. Most all my iron shots were short, higher, and had much more spin than I am used to seeing -  I nearly rolled a 9 iron back with spin. 

 

My question: could the 105S be too light for me - causing less club head speed, less distance and also more spin? 

 

I admit the first thing I thought when reading the above is that going from Modus 120 stiff to Axion 105 stiff is going up a flex.  Modus 120 stiff has a profile almost identical to DGR300 or DGR400.  I'm guessing Axiom 105 is going to be closer on par to DGS.

 

Also, in terms of the weight...  Modus 120 stiff is actually only 114g raw, compared to the Axiom 105; not as large a difference as it seems.  Perhaps you need to only add a little lead tape to the clubheads, with them being a bit lighter...

 

[dlovage]

3 hours ago, hammergolf said:

Two things, ZX7 are a much lower spinning head than the P760 in addition to the 1* loft difference. In addition, the 105 will add launch, spin, and peak height with tighter dispersion vs Modus 120. That’s what they were designed to do. I think when the 125 S is released it would be a better option for. OR, try them in your ZX7 heads and it may be a better fit for you.

Do we know when 125S is out? 

[RangeBaller]

9 hours ago, ATatman10 said:

I am curious of the opinion from others who have tried graphite shafts or the new Axiom shafts. I have been gaming MKII ZX7's in a Modus 120S and was really excited to try Axoim's and graphite shafts in general as this was the first time for a graphite iron shaft for me. I also play a Ventus Blue in Driver/3W and a Ventus Red in 5W and very happy with that setup, hoping the Velocore would prove the same consistency in irons. For reference, my driver club head speed is about 100 and my 7 iron carry number is 165. 

 

I picked up a set of mint P760 heads and a set of BB&F Ferrules and had a beautiful new iron set created. Unfortunately, after a few range sessions and a round yesterday - I am a bit disappointed. Most all my iron shots were short, higher, and had much more spin than I am used to seeing -  I nearly rolled a 9 iron back with spin. 

 

My question: could the 105S be too light for me - causing less club head speed, less distance and also more spin? 

Interested in more first hand feedback on these as well.  They are top of my list for future single length builds as they market the short/mid/long profiles, similar to what Paderson did with Edel.

[hammergolf]

24 minutes ago, dlovage said:

Do we know when 125S is out? 

Maybe @Fujikura Golf can answer that.

[bellairemi]

4 hours ago, NRJyzr said:

 

I admit the first thing I thought when reading the above is that going from Modus 120 stiff to Axion 105 stiff is going up a flex.  Modus 120 stiff has a profile almost identical to DGR300 or DGR400.  I'm guessing Axiom 105 is going to be closer on par to DGS.

 

Also, in terms of the weight...  Modus 120 stiff is actually only 114g raw, compared to the Axiom 105; not as large a difference as it seems.  Perhaps you need to only add a little lead tape to the clubheads, with them being a bit lighter...

 

I had the same thought.  Going stiffer in flex makes me release early - trying to muscle the club or something I guess.  

[SeaIsland]

If you play a lot of golf, you know the SW you prefer. If that's important to you, just know that keeping that same swing weight when you make club, grip and shaft changes can be problematic. Head weight, grip size/weight, club length and of course, shaft weight all combine to give you a certain feel and performance. When I switched to Axioms (105S), I had to insert 4 gram tip weights to get my SW right. I was right on the edge with my preferred grips too (I was very close to being forced into lighter midsize grips to make it work). Just a reminder... sometimes in our rush to enjoy our new stuff, we overlook such basics.

Edited March 25 by SeaIsland

[RichieHunt]

4 hours ago, SeaIsland said:

If you play a lot of golf, you know the SW you prefer. If that's important to you, just know that keeping that same swing weight when you make club, grip and shaft changes can be problematic. Head weight, grip size/weight, club length and of course, shaft weight all combine to give you a certain feel and performance. When I switched to Axioms (105S), I had to insert 4 gram tip weights to get my SW right. I was right on the edge with my preferred grips too (I was very close to being forced into lighter midsize grips to make it work). Just a reminder... sometimes in our rush to enjoy our new stuff, we overlook such basics.

 

The overall weight of the club plays a role as well.  It's just very difficult to drop that much in shaft weight and thus total club weight even if your swingweight is the same.  That's why we have MOI matching (which isn't the be all end all, but I find it far superior to swingweight).  Usually when I've gone down 10 or more grams in shaft weight with the irons the launches higher and spins more even if I match the MOI.  That's why I prefer a lighter shaft in my long irons.


RH

[hammergolf]

I can’t speak for everyone, but switching from MMT to Axiom increased my launch angle, peak height, and spin rate which is what I wanted. They also tightened up my dispersion. 

[aenemated]

4 hours ago, hammergolf said:

I can’t speak for everyone, but switching from MMT to Axiom increased my launch angle, peak height, and spin rate which is what I wanted. They also tightened up my dispersion. 

 

I switched from KBS $-Taper Lite S to Axiom 105 S and have had the same experience. I freakin love these shafts. 

[hammergolf]

7 minutes ago, aenemated said:

 

I switched from KBS $-Taper Lite S to Axiom 105 S and have had the same experience. I freakin love these shafts. 

Agree, the best shafts I’ve ever used.

[Pepperturbo]

On 9/18/2023 at 5:24 AM, ATatman10 said:

I am curious of the opinion from others who have tried graphite shafts or the new Axiom shafts. I have been gaming MKII ZX7's in a Modus 120S and was really excited to try Axoim's and graphite shafts in general as this was the first time for a graphite iron shaft for me. I also play a Ventus Blue in Driver/3W and a Ventus Red in 5W and very happy with that setup, hoping the Velocore would prove the same consistency in irons. For reference, my driver club head speed is about 100 and my 7 iron carry number is 165. 

 

I picked up a set of mint P760 heads and a set of BB&F Ferrules and had a beautiful new iron set created. Unfortunately, after a few range sessions and a round yesterday - I am a bit disappointed. Most all my iron shots were short, higher, and had much more spin than I am used to seeing -  I nearly rolled a 9 iron back with spin. 

 

My question: could the 105S be too light for me - causing less club head speed, less distance and also more spin? 

Didn't read how much time you spent with the shafts, but it sounds like not nearly enough.  Also, graphite isn't for everyone. 

 

When I switched to lighter weight MMT 85S composite it took me three+ months to get accustom to them, and then knew to revert to MMT 105S, happy for it too.  Axoim are low to mid-spin like my MMT shafts, but excessive spin typically isn't the result of the shaft, but the user.  

[petep5280]

Maybe it's the hype and price that make you disappointed. It's like me spending time and energy on an equipment change and then I realize, yep, I still suck.