Rory not returning to Policy Board

[AlanWatts]

3 minutes ago, notsohard said:

😂 ...and you know this how?

Well the first bit is my opinion, the second bit cant be disputed.

 

[TRS30]

54 minutes ago, AlanWatts said:

100%. Woods is the best guy to deal with the Saudis. McIlroy is too naive and talks too much. He has a long history of poor decision making on and off the course. 

 

I would say Woods has made as many, if not more, questionable off course decisions. 

[JungleJimbo]

13 hours ago, Oostiesalbacore said:

If there’s anything that makes Rory uncomfortable, it’s a wedge. 

 

 

[Ferguson]

2 hours ago, AlanWatts said:

100%. Woods is the best guy to deal with the Saudis. McIlroy is too naive and talks too much. He has a long history of poor decision making on and off the course. 

 

 

1 hour ago, notsohard said:

😂 ...and you know this how?

 

Because Alan knows Watts best.

 

 

 

 

[bladehunter]

2 hours ago, AlanWatts said:

100%. Woods is the best guy to deal with the Saudis. McIlroy is too naive and talks too much. He has a long history of poor decision making on and off the course. 

Yep. His on course issues are from this as well. His emotions are on his sleeve. It’s just his personality.  Meanwhile. Tiger and cantlay. Opposite  . 

[bscinstnct]

1 hour ago, notsohard said:

😂 ...and you know this how?

 

Rory has been sounding like a bit of a “ho” lol

 

The tours first objective is to,

 

Maintain as much of the standards and tradition of the brand and ecosystem as possible. And the infrastructure as well. 
 

And PIFs objective, from what I can tell, is to keep LIV and grow it and have it seen as a legit global tour with a positive impact on the game 

 

The answer is to have 2 tours that can agree on the “rules” for recruiting and geography of which tour plays where for the most part. One key is to have PIF invest in the pga tour and have a vested interest in its success 
 

Then the growth for both can come from intra-tour competitions in the form of these Aramco events where the top end of both tours play and a Ryder Cup type event. 
 

The pga tour can’t expect PIF to put LIVs destiny in the hands of Cantlay and Jay

 

And PIF can’t expect the tour to make wholesale changes in how the pga tour functions. 
 

I think TW and SSG, for that matter, accept that PIF/LIV is in it for the long haul and are happy to make a deal that gains PIF  investment and even promotes SA/Aramco if PIF will resort the boundaries.,

 

 

[Ferguson]

Let me sum this up.

 

Rory has a hard time understanding winning. 

 

[IndyArcher]

2 hours ago, TRS30 said:

 

I would say Woods has made as many, if not more, questionable off course decisions. 

 

Clearly TW has had more driver issues off the course!

[Duct Tape]

Don’t know the details of his leaving the board, but it seems he stood nearly alone and fell on his sword for the PGAT for a long time. 

LIV could be the winner here.
G. Norman - “Rory, can we meet for a few pints and talk?”  🤓😀

 

Cantlay - seems like more of a me player than a team player. Lost me and other fans with Ryder Cup petulance. 
 

Woods - this makes no sense. He and Rory are tight and are partnering in their new “tour”

 

Summary - fans lose. Again. Let’s settle the deals, act like adults, and get back to golf gentlemen. . 

[Duct Tape]

Quoting from the linked article above:

 

…”lost a power battle to the bloc of Patrick Cantlay, Tiger Woods and Spieth, all of whom were pushing for more money and power for top players.”

 

Some players, notably Spieth, might think a little more about what they’re  wishing for. 
 

IMO any deal which doesn’t both help the lower tier players (at least a little) and the development leagues is a long term non-starter. 

[Dpavs]

IMO...The players greed and immaturity is killing the PGA. None of these guys seems to be able to objectively do what is actually best for the sport as a whole. And to be clear, I am not talking about lining the top level players pockets even more than they already do as they seem to have that part down pat.

[vamosjackets]

Might need to get the old guard in there to handle this: Nicklaus, Watson, Trevino, and maybe Player ... Can you imagine?  The gray hair of experience is worth a lot. 

[bscinstnct]

10 minutes ago, Duct Tape said:

Quoting from the linked article above:

 

…”lost a power battle to the bloc of Patrick Cantlay, Tiger Woods and Spieth, all of whom were pushing for more money and power for top players.”

 

Some players, notably Spieth, might think a little more about what they’re  wishing for. 
 

IMO any deal which doesn’t both help the lower tier players (at least a little) and the development leagues is a long term non-starter. 

 

Its positive that the meetings now only include SSG, PIF, and Tiger

 

Cantlay, Rory, Spieth all out of their element. 

 

Fatigue has set in for all parties, I think, even PIF must be dejected about all these signings producing zero positive traction for LIVs popularity 

 

I agree that the pga tour ecosystem including development must be a priority. Once a deal is done we can move on and focus on some balance of 💰 for top  players and insuring there’s plenty of incentive and opportunities for the new ranks, 

Edited May 9 by bscinstnct

[nitram]

17 hours ago, Dutch1008 said:

 

Tiger and Rory seem to have a pretty good relationship. Can't imagine Adam Scott would be concerned about Rory coming back in. I think it points to Pat and Jordan being against the idea of a more international tour or giving the LIV guys a get out of jail free card. It could also be Malnati against Rory wanting a smaller more elite tour (Say 75-100 guys). Who knows, its all speculation. 

And to add to what you wrote, can you imagine how "stimulating" the conversations are in this committee??

 

It has to be like page 3 of a debate here at WRX in the Rules Forum . . .

[dfeldss]

I love Rory (and do think he has good intentions), but you gave up your seat, man. 

 

I know Tiger gets a seat at the table because he's Tiger, but not sure he has the best perspective for what's best for the sport. 

 

At the end of the day, I have 0 confidence in any of these guys to strike any deal that will make the sport better for golf fans. The money is already outrageous for a sport that doesn't draw that many viewers comparatively. The fans will keep getting bent over with more ads, while the networks cut costs and send skeleton crews to everything that isn't a major all in the name of giving these dorks more money. Hooray!

[aus10KC]

Rory wants the limited field world tour just under the PGAT banner. Cantlay, Speith and Tiger don't want that...

 

I think they should take current tournaments around the world and bump the prize money so more guys play in it. Australian Open, Irish Open, South African Open. Then create a prize fund for the players who play the best in 8 tournaments, US Open, PGA Championship, Open, Australian Open, Irish Open, South African Open, Scottish Open, Players. The player that does the best over those 8 tournaments is the world golf champion! 

[Santiago Golf]

16 hours ago, redfirebird08 said:

 

I can't figure out Cantlay's angle. He was negotiating with LIV Golf to join them a couple years ago. Now he's suddenly anti-LIV? We know the guy doesn't really have moral scruples. Goldman Sachs on his clothing, lol

 

Cantlay was looking to join LIV after year 1 of LIV and it was off his FEDEX Cup win. They didn't offer him an equal contract to what they offered DJ, Bryson, or Cam Smith ... so he felt undervalued and said no thanks ... hasn't won since August of 2023. 

 

I don't think he is anti-LIV, I think he just feels that he has built the tour up in the last 3 years (2020 to 2023) and those players who left shouldn't reep the benefits. (Though you could make a very strong argument that besides his play, he doesn't do much to grow the Tour off the course). 

 

In all honesty, only 5 of the players on LIV are going to play both tours and those players only want to play classic tour stops, they don't want to play a full schedule. Alot players on LIV have voiced that they have no interest in playing on the PGA Tour again. Maybe players who lose their status on LIV, but honestly playing the Asia Tour is still good money and players that drop down from LIV would clean up on Asia and still can play DP World.

 

PGA Tour is working against a clock here in trying to figure out a working scheme for the future of men's professional golf 

 

LIV doesn't have a clock and has a mindset of 'we will try anything, if it doesn't work, we will try something else'. 

 

 

[Santiago Golf]

27 minutes ago, vamosjackets said:

Might need to get the old guard in there to handle this: Nicklaus, Watson, Trevino, and maybe Player ... Can you imagine?  The gray hair of experience is worth a lot. 

 

It would be a lot worse honestly ... those players have been greedy as well. They created a Champions Tour so they could get 'paid' on top of their pension. Not to mention the 100s of terrible golf courses they built to build homes, many of these developments operating in the red. Also they called for the roll back of the ball 30 years after their 'prime' to protect their legacy. 

 

Those greats were just as bad as our greats.

[bscinstnct]

18 minutes ago, dfeldss said:

I love Rory (and do think he has good intentions), but you gave up your seat, man. 

 

I know Tiger gets a seat at the table because he's Tiger, but not sure he has the best perspective for what's best for the sport. 

 

At the end of the day, I have 0 confidence in any of these guys to strike any deal that will make the sport better for golf fans. The money is already outrageous for a sport that doesn't draw that many viewers comparatively. The fans will keep getting bent over with more ads, while the networks cut costs and send skeleton crews to everything that isn't a major all in the name of giving these dorks more money. Hooray!

 

Tiger?

 

He old school

 

“If I ruled golf? We’d be playing persimmon and balata”

 

Tiger Woods quoted by Jaime Diaz, Golf Digest

Edited May 9 by bscinstnct

[IndyArcher]

8 minutes ago, bscinstnct said:

 

Tiger?

 

He old school

 

“If I ruled golf? We’d be playing persimmon and balata”

 

Tiger Woods quoted by Jaime Diaz, Golf Digest

 

So basically rollback...?

[gvogel]

28 minutes ago, aus10KC said:

Rory wants the limited field world tour just under the PGAT banner. Cantlay, Speith and Tiger don't want that...

 

I think they should take current tournaments around the world and bump the prize money so more guys play in it. Australian Open, Irish Open, South African Open. Then create a prize fund for the players who play the best in 8 tournaments, US Open, PGA Championship, Open, Australian Open, Irish Open, South African Open, Scottish Open, Players. The player that does the best over those 8 tournaments is the world golf champion! 

I don't think that you realize how difficult it is for the very best to get their games in shape for 4 majors.  There is extra preparation involved as those are the ones that make a career.  8 major tournaments would dilute the importance of the 4 majors, and would make life that more difficult for the best players.

[aus10KC]

6 minutes ago, gvogel said:

I don't think that you realize how difficult it is for the very best to get their games in shape for 4 majors.  There is extra preparation involved as those are the ones that make a career.  8 major tournaments would dilute the importance of the 4 majors, and would make life that more difficult for the best players.

 

It's supposed to be difficult! 

[bscinstnct]

22 minutes ago, IndyArcher said:

 

So basically rollback...?

 

I wasn’t speaking in a literal sense lol

 

The point is that I think TW is interested in preserving the tradition of the tour as much as possible. 
 

As long as he can incorporate the SUN Day Red logo into it somehow along with🤣

[Jolter]

Even though I may not agree with everything Rory has said, I do like him and feel even though he plays on bothe the PGA and DP World Tours, it is though he is a golfer without a "tour". He is most appreciated by both tours when he appears to play but it seems like there is something he wants to get off his chest, but in this present atmosphere can't. I will say this in that if Tiger wanted him back on the board, there would never have been any further duscussion.

[Murphy76]

1 hour ago, gvogel said:

I don't think that you realize how difficult it is for the very best to get their games in shape for 4 majors.  There is extra preparation involved as those are the ones that make a career.  8 major tournaments would dilute the importance of the 4 majors, and would make life that more difficult for the best players.

 

Golf is hard.

 

[kmbean]

This whole thing at this point 

[st1800e]

2 hours ago, vamosjackets said:

and maybe Player

And some think Rory talks too much…….

[Fairways_and_Greens]

6 hours ago, notsohard said:

😂 ...and you know this how?

Projecting?

 

Very un-Alan Watts!

[TiScape]

47 minutes ago, kmbean said:

This whole thing at this point 

Quoting because I want to give this a “thanks” and an “lol”! And also a “phew”. Reading this I thought it was just me, and honestly I was feeling a little insecure about it 👊🏼
 

*and 💯 the state Ben is in above involves a woman! 

Edited May 9 by TiScape

[bscinstnct]

44 minutes ago, kmbean said:

This whole thing at this point 

 

🤣

 

Its a slog but these deals take time

 

Not surprised PIF went nuclear ballistic 😡 when the terms of the original agreement were so radically changed and SSG came in

 

But LIV has gone nowhere so not suprised to see everyone back at the table