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Titleist TS3 vs Callaway Epic Flash Sub Zero vs TM M5

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  • tdk8180tdk8180 Advanced Members Posts: 2,392
    edited January 9
    rt_charger wrote:

    tdk8180 wrote:


    Now...I have hit the TS stuff. Its alright, but it just doesnt perform as well as I thought it would. I thought the feel was ok at best. Swingweight felt odd to me, maybe too light. Im pulling it off the rack, so Im comparing to Cobra, Cally, and TM off the rack.


    Well there's your problem... Titleist woods are not going to work off the rack, you need to be fitted unless you know your specs and what shaft. Comparing their woods off the rack is like driving a car with the seat and mirrors not adjusted for you.




    Ya know...ive always felt that Ive been shortchanging the other drivers out there because Im putting in nice shafts that work for my game in Callaway heads. The Callaway has the advantage. Its not a fair test. Ive tried to use the same shaft for each head the best I can, but I swear, Callaways shaft offerings are better tipped for me.



    Only once did I find a driver that actually gave me better numbers and it was the M1 in 2016 vs my DBD 815 Callaway. I had to buy the M1, and then of course...The Epic has been bagged for 2 seasons.



    Epic Flash is the frontrunner, but theres a shot that an M5-6 or the TS2-3 get looked at extensively



    I think it happens a lot, you go to the golf store and you battle it out. For me, the Callaway clubs usually win. My loyalty is strong to Callaway.



    King Cobra Forged Tec and p790 taught me a bit about the benefits of these distance players irons. Apex Pro here I come.
  • falken19150falken19150 Advanced Members Posts: 1,739 ✭✭
    I'm 2 out of 3 for your requested drivers:



    TS3 w Tensei CK Orange Pro - Not sure how it all happened but this combo is a rocket launcher. Sound, distance, and feel are out of this world. Putting the heavier weight in the head with the counter-balanced Orange made things even better.



    Epic Flash SZ Tour AD DI - I pretty much got the same results as my Rogue SZ. Biggest difference for me was sound. Rogue is more muted.
  • NoCalHackNoCalHack Advanced Members Posts: 357
    I think the distance should be comparable depending on your launch characteristics. The reviews bear this out. There isn't a monster ball speed leap with the new drivers.



    But to me feel is the deal breaker. I don't like the dead thuddy feel of the composite heads. Therefore Titleist TS3.
  • ssfrannyssfranny Lefty Boomers Posts: 2,525 ✭✭
    stk123 wrote:
    My problem with the TS3 was that it spun too much. And this was when I was swinging my club 101mph (now about 115mph, so I assume it will spin way more). I was hitting the TS3 with Smoke 6.5 shaft about 2600 RPM, while I was hitting my Epic SZ (not Flash) 1800 RPM with front weight 12g and rear 2g and GP6-X shaft.



    I really liked the TS3, but spun too much. Will give it another shot at Club Champion fitting coming up this month next to the Epic Flash and other offerings. We will see...




    Youve gained 14 mph SS?
  • vietnameehvietnameeh HIT BALL FAR NOT BALL STRAIGHT Advanced Members Posts: 1,849
    We need the F9 in here too!
    Cobra LTD PRO 7.5F* Aldila Phenom NL 60X
    Callaway XR16 Pro 14* Graphite Design PM902X
    Taylormade M3 17* Fujikura 869 Speeder Tour Spec X
    2012 TaylorMade Tour Preferred MC 4-PW X100
    Wilson FG Tour TC 52,56,60
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  • stk123stk123 Advanced Members Posts: 439 ✭✭
    edited January 17
    ssfranny wrote:

    stk123 wrote:
    My problem with the TS3 was that it spun too much. And this was when I was swinging my club 101mph (now about 115mph, so I assume it will spin way more). I was hitting the TS3 with Smoke 6.5 shaft about 2600 RPM, while I was hitting my Epic SZ (not Flash) 1800 RPM with front weight 12g and rear 2g and GP6-X shaft.



    I really liked the TS3, but spun too much. Will give it another shot at Club Champion fitting coming up this month next to the Epic Flash and other offerings. We will see...




    Youve gained 14 mph SS?




    Yep. Finally healed an injury and was able to get back to working on swing the right way. Regained ~8 mph to get back to where I was, and then another 6 mph from hard work, swing change, fitness, stretching, conscious effort to increase swing speed, and more hard work. Anybody can gain a good amount of swing speed in very short amount of time (with very hard work). You just have to find the low hanging fruit and improve on it.
  • Audi A-ForeAudi A-Fore Advanced Members Posts: 86 ✭✭
    stk123 wrote:

    ssfranny wrote:

    stk123 wrote:
    My problem with the TS3 was that it spun too much. And this was when I was swinging my club 101mph (now about 115mph, so I assume it will spin way more). I was hitting the TS3 with Smoke 6.5 shaft about 2600 RPM, while I was hitting my Epic SZ (not Flash) 1800 RPM with front weight 12g and rear 2g and GP6-X shaft.



    I really liked the TS3, but spun too much. Will give it another shot at Club Champion fitting coming up this month next to the Epic Flash and other offerings. We will see...




    Youve gained 14 mph SS?




    Yep. Finally healed an injury and was able to get back to working on swing the right way. Regained ~8 mph to get back to where I was, and then another 6 mph from hard work, swing change, fitness, stretching, conscious effort to increase swing speed, and more hard work. Anybody can gain a good amount of swing speed in very short amount of time (with very hard work). You just have to find the low hanging fruit and improve on it.




    Any chance you'd be willing to share some of the things you did? I fractured my ankle last year and have lost ~5-7 mph. I'm working on the swing and stretching more, but I'm not sure I'm working on the "right" things. Would love to learn from your experience, so any details are appreciated. Feel free to DM me. Thx.
    Audi A-Fore
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    Titleist AP3 5-7, Nippon Modus 3 S
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  • cjyner97cjyner97 Advanced Members Posts: 81 ✭✭
    EFSZ with tensei white tx is the best so far for me
    9* Epic Subzero
    Hzrdus Yellow stiff

    15* Rogue 3w
    Hzruds Yellow stiff

    17* 790 UDI
    Hzruds Black stiff

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  • jsnolandjsnoland Advanced Members Posts: 148 ✭✭
    tdk8180 wrote:


    Titleist is late to the game and they still dont have a piece of equipment that can best the Callaway and Taylormade offerings. All their stuff is very nice looking, but I dont see any performance benefits.. ever.



    Looking forward to hitting the new Cally and TM offerings.




    Until I hit the TS3 driver earlier this year, I would've 100% agreed with you on every Titleist club I had ever hit up until that point, with the exception of 906F2. Every other Titleist club just didn't agree with me for whatever reason, and there always seemed to be a better option from Taylor or Cally. At least for me. Then I hit the TS3.



    Is it the longest? Maybe, maybe not. For me, though, it's way better than what I saw with M3/M4 or Rogue (none of those worked for me at all), and it bested my 2017 M1 440 Tour by enough that it's now in my bag sporting that beautiful TS headcover. And it's definitely a big step up over 917D3, which I demo'd extensively last year and couldn't come close to my M1. It's funny - I've always wanted to love Titleist clubs, but none of them ever performed well enough for me (again, except 906F2) to allow me to actually love them - until the TS3 driver.



    As for the TS fairways, the jury is still out for me. They're definitely good, but just not as much an improvement over the 917 fairways as the TS3 was over the 917D3, if that makes sense. And compared to my CBX, it was close but just not quite good enough. The only thing that's beaten my CBX is the new Cobra F9 Tour fairway, but that's another story.



    Believe me, I'm no Titleist fan boy - never have been and probably never will be. In fact, if you'd told me last year that I'd have a Titleist driver in my bag at the start of 2019, I woud've laughed you out of the room. But now the TS3 is in my bag, and I'm laughing for a very different reason.



    Just my experience, but I think Titleist has a winner with TS3.
    Driver - Titleist TS3 9.5 (set to C1), HZRDUS Black 75g 6.5
    3W - Tour Edge Exotics CBX 13.5*, HZRDUS Black 75g 6.5
    2I - TaylorMade P790 UDI 17*, HZRDUS Black 85g 6.5
    4I - PW - Mizuno JPX 900 Tour, Project X LZ 6.0 120
    Wedges - Callaway Mack Daddy Forged (50.10, 54.10, 58.08), DG Tour Issue
    Putter - TaylorMade Spider Tour Red Center Shaft
    TaylorMade TP5x
  • HennerzHennerz Advanced Members Posts: 109
    I have hit all 3. Not a huge difference numbers wise on all 3. I could quite happy game all 3. However i have pulled the trigger and ordered the flash sub zero driver and fairway wood mainly as I prefer the look to the taylormade and the ranges.
    Driver: callaway gbb Ozik red tie X
    Fairways : Nike vapor fly blue bored s70
    Irons : ping I irons modus stiff
    Wedges: sm6 50/12 f grind 56/9 s grind mc3 s grind 60/8
    Putter: Newport 2
  • Louisking1Louisking1 Advanced Members Posts: 152
    Don’t forget about the mizuno st190g best looking driver out this year hands down
  • tdk8180tdk8180 Advanced Members Posts: 2,392
    jsnoland wrote:

    tdk8180 wrote:


    Titleist is late to the game and they still dont have a piece of equipment that can best the Callaway and Taylormade offerings. All their stuff is very nice looking, but I dont see any performance benefits.. ever.



    Looking forward to hitting the new Cally and TM offerings.




    Until I hit the TS3 driver earlier this year, I would've 100% agreed with you on every Titleist club I had ever hit up until that point, with the exception of 906F2. Every other Titleist club just didn't agree with me for whatever reason, and there always seemed to be a better option from Taylor or Cally. At least for me. Then I hit the TS3.



    Is it the longest? Maybe, maybe not. For me, though, it's way better than what I saw with M3/M4 or Rogue (none of those worked for me at all), and it bested my 2017 M1 440 Tour by enough that it's now in my bag sporting that beautiful TS headcover. And it's definitely a big step up over 917D3, which I demo'd extensively last year and couldn't come close to my M1. It's funny - I've always wanted to love Titleist clubs, but none of them ever performed well enough for me (again, except 906F2) to allow me to actually love them - until the TS3 driver.



    As for the TS fairways, the jury is still out for me. They're definitely good, but just not as much an improvement over the 917 fairways as the TS3 was over the 917D3, if that makes sense. And compared to my CBX, it was close but just not quite good enough. The only thing that's beaten my CBX is the new Cobra F9 Tour fairway, but that's another story.



    Believe me, I'm no Titleist fan boy - never have been and probably never will be. In fact, if you'd told me last year that I'd have a Titleist driver in my bag at the start of 2019, I woud've laughed you out of the room. But now the TS3 is in my bag, and I'm laughing for a very different reason.



    Just my experience, but I think Titleist has a winner with TS3.




    Fair response. Ill give it a fair chance this Spring with legit shafts.
  • GC70GC70 What's Next? ClubWRX Charter Members Posts: 7,500 ClubWRX
    texcrom wrote:
    TS3.......longer, sounds better, better looking, and less money.


    When was the last time you could say that about a Titleist Driver?
    Cobra F9 8* Atmos Blue 6S
    XR Steelhead 15* Atmos Red 7S
    818 H1 Atmos Blue 8S
    Apex CF19 4-AW C-Taper Lite
    SM7's RAW 50F - 54S - 58M
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  • GC70GC70 What's Next? ClubWRX Charter Members Posts: 7,500 ClubWRX
    I have my fitting Saturday!
    Cobra F9 8* Atmos Blue 6S
    XR Steelhead 15* Atmos Red 7S
    818 H1 Atmos Blue 8S
    Apex CF19 4-AW C-Taper Lite
    SM7's RAW 50F - 54S - 58M
    Nike 006 Paul Casey Proto (Oven)
    Nike 006 Rory Proto (Oven)
    Pro V1x / CSX

    WITB Link
  • maamoldmaamold Matt Aamold Advanced Members Posts: 174 ✭✭
    I own the TS2 (fully fitted), I had owned the Epic and Epic SZ. I hit the TS2 is way better than either Epic; however, my bet is that if I had been properly fit for the Epic's I'd love them just as much as the TS2.
  • TheMoneyShotTheMoneyShot ***FIGJAM/Twirl of Doom*** Advanced Members Posts: 29,901 ✭✭
    We need to add the new PXG Gen 2 drivers in the mix too.
  • GC70GC70 What's Next? ClubWRX Charter Members Posts: 7,500 ClubWRX
    I had a driver fitting yesterday. Going into the fitting I was 90% sure I was going to come out with the Epic Flash Subzero. Boy was I wrong. This is my take away from the fitting.

    All heads at 9* with the Atmos TS Blue and a brand new Pro V’s on track man indoors.



    Look:

    EFS

    M5/F9/TS3

    G400 Max



    Sound and feel:

    F9/TS3

    M5

    Max/EFS



    Launch:

    TS3

    F9

    M5/EFS/Max



    Lowest Spin:

    TS3

    F9

    M5/EFS/Max



    Distance:

    TS3

    F9

    EFS

    M5

    Max



    Dispersion:

    F9

    TS3

    Max

    M5/EFS



    We ended up at the end of the fitting adjusting the F9 down to 8* and bingo lowered the spin and beat out the TS3.



    Plus $450 vs $750 is a no brainer.

    Cobra F9 8* Atmos Blue 6S
    XR Steelhead 15* Atmos Red 7S
    818 H1 Atmos Blue 8S
    Apex CF19 4-AW C-Taper Lite
    SM7's RAW 50F - 54S - 58M
    Nike 006 Paul Casey Proto (Oven)
    Nike 006 Rory Proto (Oven)
    Pro V1x / CSX

    WITB Link
  • moorebaseballmoorebaseball Advanced Members Posts: 215 ✭✭
    GC70 wrote:


    I have my fitting Saturday!
    GC70 wrote:


    I have my fitting Saturday!


    What were your results? Just curious
  • swing33swing33 Advanced Members Posts: 87 ✭✭
    Look:

    EFS

    M5/F9/TS3

    G400 Max



    Sound and feel:

    F9/TS3

    M5

    Max/EFS



    Launch:

    TS3

    F9

    M5/EFS/Max



    Lowest Spin:

    TS3

    F9

    M5/EFS/Max



    Distance:

    TS3

    F9

    EFS

    M5

    Max



    Dispersion:

    F9

    TS3

    Max

    M5/EFS



    We ended up at the end of the fitting adjusting the F9 down to 8* and bingo lowered the spin and beat out the TS3.



    Plus $450 vs $750 is a no brainer.

    What was making the Titleist so expensive? Were you using a shaft that was an upcharge for them but was not for the Cobra?
  • GC70GC70 What's Next? ClubWRX Charter Members Posts: 7,500 ClubWRX
    swing33 wrote:
    Look:

    EFS

    M5/F9/TS3

    G400 Max



    Sound and feel:

    F9/TS3

    M5

    Max/EFS



    Launch:

    TS3

    F9

    M5/EFS/Max



    Lowest Spin:

    TS3

    F9

    M5/EFS/Max



    Distance:

    TS3

    F9

    EFS

    M5

    Max



    Dispersion:

    F9

    TS3

    Max

    M5/EFS



    We ended up at the end of the fitting adjusting the F9 down to 8* and bingo lowered the spin and beat out the TS3.



    Plus $450 vs $750 is a no brainer.

    What was making the Titleist so expensive? Were you using a shaft that was an upcharge for them but was not for the Cobra?




    Yes the best shaft for me is the Atmos TS Blue. It’s no up charge with Cobra, but Titleist wants $250 for it. I tried all the non up charge shafts that Titleist offers and I couldn’t get anything close to the Atmos combos.
    Cobra F9 8* Atmos Blue 6S
    XR Steelhead 15* Atmos Red 7S
    818 H1 Atmos Blue 8S
    Apex CF19 4-AW C-Taper Lite
    SM7's RAW 50F - 54S - 58M
    Nike 006 Paul Casey Proto (Oven)
    Nike 006 Rory Proto (Oven)
    Pro V1x / CSX

    WITB Link
  • swing33swing33 Advanced Members Posts: 87 ✭✭
    GC70 wrote:

    swing33 wrote:
    Look:

    EFS

    M5/F9/TS3

    G400 Max



    Sound and feel:

    F9/TS3

    M5

    Max/EFS



    Launch:

    TS3

    F9

    M5/EFS/Max



    Lowest Spin:

    TS3

    F9

    M5/EFS/Max



    Distance:

    TS3

    F9

    EFS

    M5

    Max



    Dispersion:

    F9

    TS3

    Max

    M5/EFS



    We ended up at the end of the fitting adjusting the F9 down to 8* and bingo lowered the spin and beat out the TS3.



    Plus $450 vs $750 is a no brainer.

    What was making the Titleist so expensive? Were you using a shaft that was an upcharge for them but was not for the Cobra?




    Yes the best shaft for me is the Atmos TS Blue. It’s no up charge with Cobra, but Titleist wants $250 for it. I tried all the non up charge shafts that Titleist offers and I couldn’t get anything close to the Atmos combos.
    Does Cobra have a pretty large selection of no up charge shafts with the F9?
  • GC70GC70 What's Next? ClubWRX Charter Members Posts: 7,500 ClubWRX
    swing33 wrote:
    GC70 wrote:

    swing33 wrote:
    Look:

    EFS

    M5/F9/TS3

    G400 Max



    Sound and feel:

    F9/TS3

    M5

    Max/EFS



    Launch:

    TS3

    F9

    M5/EFS/Max



    Lowest Spin:

    TS3

    F9

    M5/EFS/Max



    Distance:

    TS3

    F9

    EFS

    M5

    Max



    Dispersion:

    F9

    TS3

    Max

    M5/EFS



    We ended up at the end of the fitting adjusting the F9 down to 8* and bingo lowered the spin and beat out the TS3.



    Plus $450 vs $750 is a no brainer.

    What was making the Titleist so expensive? Were you using a shaft that was an upcharge for them but was not for the Cobra?




    Yes the best shaft for me is the Atmos TS Blue. It’s no up charge with Cobra, but Titleist wants $250 for it. I tried all the non up charge shafts that Titleist offers and I couldn’t get anything close to the Atmos combos.
    Does Cobra have a pretty large selection of no up charge shafts with the F9?




    Yes they do have a really good selection this year imo. Go to Cobra golf and customizing a driver and all their shafts are listed.
    Cobra F9 8* Atmos Blue 6S
    XR Steelhead 15* Atmos Red 7S
    818 H1 Atmos Blue 8S
    Apex CF19 4-AW C-Taper Lite
    SM7's RAW 50F - 54S - 58M
    Nike 006 Paul Casey Proto (Oven)
    Nike 006 Rory Proto (Oven)
    Pro V1x / CSX

    WITB Link
  • MahamiltoMahamilto Advanced Members Posts: 1,816 ✭✭
    All the heads from all the big boys are really good this year. Shaft fit will be key. And if the right shaft is stock vs. upcharge... well there you go.



    But picking looks and feel will be #1 if shaft fit is even.
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    Titleist 917F2 - 15*, Diamana S+ LTD 80TX
    Titleist 716 T-MB 3-4-iron - KBS C-Taper 130x
    Titleist 716 T-MB 5-PW - DG AMT x100
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    Titleist SM7 55* S-Grind - DG AMT x100
    Titleist SM2 59.12* - DG Tour Issue x100
    Evnroll ER6-B
    Titleist AVX
    Titleist Staff Stand Bag
  • bogeyprobogeypro The Original Bogeypro ClubWRX Charter Members Posts: 3,136 ClubWRX


    We need to add the new PXG Gen 2 drivers in the mix too.




    no we don't. We have enough ping reviews... LOL
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  • BrockPSUBrockPSU Advanced Members Posts: 242 ✭✭
    GC70 wrote:

    swing33 wrote:
    Look:

    EFS

    M5/F9/TS3

    G400 Max



    Sound and feel:

    F9/TS3

    M5

    Max/EFS



    Launch:

    TS3

    F9

    M5/EFS/Max



    Lowest Spin:

    TS3

    F9

    M5/EFS/Max



    Distance:

    TS3

    F9

    EFS

    M5

    Max



    Dispersion:

    F9

    TS3

    Max

    M5/EFS



    We ended up at the end of the fitting adjusting the F9 down to 8* and bingo lowered the spin and beat out the TS3.



    Plus $450 vs $750 is a no brainer.

    What was making the Titleist so expensive? Were you using a shaft that was an upcharge for them but was not for the Cobra?




    Yes the best shaft for me is the Atmos TS Blue. It’s no up charge with Cobra, but Titleist wants $250 for it. I tried all the non up charge shafts that Titleist offers and I couldn’t get anything close to the Atmos combos.




    Well now that you know what the price difference is, why not try to get that combo cheaper on here in the bst?
    TS3 10.5 AD DI 6x
    TS2 16.5 AD DI 8x
    716 T-MB 3 AD DI Hybrid 95x
    716 T-MB 4 Project x 6.5
    716 CB 5-6 Project x 6.5
    716 MB 7-PW Project x 6.5
    SM6 46 F Grind Project x 6.0(in rotation)
    SM7 50 F Grind, 54 S Grind, 58 L Grind Project x 6.0
    Scotty Cameron Tour Rat R&D Proto Concept 1
  • GC70GC70 What's Next? ClubWRX Charter Members Posts: 7,500 ClubWRX
    BrockPSU wrote:
    GC70 wrote:

    swing33 wrote:
    Look:

    EFS

    M5/F9/TS3

    G400 Max



    Sound and feel:

    F9/TS3

    M5

    Max/EFS



    Launch:

    TS3

    F9

    M5/EFS/Max



    Lowest Spin:

    TS3

    F9

    M5/EFS/Max



    Distance:

    TS3

    F9

    EFS

    M5

    Max



    Dispersion:

    F9

    TS3

    Max

    M5/EFS



    We ended up at the end of the fitting adjusting the F9 down to 8* and bingo lowered the spin and beat out the TS3.



    Plus $450 vs $750 is a no brainer.

    What was making the Titleist so expensive? Were you using a shaft that was an upcharge for them but was not for the Cobra?




    Yes the best shaft for me is the Atmos TS Blue. It’s no up charge with Cobra, but Titleist wants $250 for it. I tried all the non up charge shafts that Titleist offers and I couldn’t get anything close to the Atmos combos.




    Well now that you know what the price difference is, why not try to get that combo cheaper on here in the bst?




    I doubt you can get a brand new TS3 with Atmos TS Blue for $450.
    Cobra F9 8* Atmos Blue 6S
    XR Steelhead 15* Atmos Red 7S
    818 H1 Atmos Blue 8S
    Apex CF19 4-AW C-Taper Lite
    SM7's RAW 50F - 54S - 58M
    Nike 006 Paul Casey Proto (Oven)
    Nike 006 Rory Proto (Oven)
    Pro V1x / CSX

    WITB Link
  • BrockPSUBrockPSU Advanced Members Posts: 242 ✭✭
    GC70 wrote:

    BrockPSU wrote:
    GC70 wrote:

    swing33 wrote:
    Look:

    EFS

    M5/F9/TS3

    G400 Max



    Sound and feel:

    F9/TS3

    M5

    Max/EFS



    Launch:

    TS3

    F9

    M5/EFS/Max



    Lowest Spin:

    TS3

    F9

    M5/EFS/Max



    Distance:

    TS3

    F9

    EFS

    M5

    Max



    Dispersion:

    F9

    TS3

    Max

    M5/EFS



    We ended up at the end of the fitting adjusting the F9 down to 8* and bingo lowered the spin and beat out the TS3.



    Plus $450 vs $750 is a no brainer.

    What was making the Titleist so expensive? Were you using a shaft that was an upcharge for them but was not for the Cobra?




    Yes the best shaft for me is the Atmos TS Blue. It’s no up charge with Cobra, but Titleist wants $250 for it. I tried all the non up charge shafts that Titleist offers and I couldn’t get anything close to the Atmos combos.




    Well now that you know what the price difference is, why not try to get that combo cheaper on here in the bst?




    I doubt you can get a brand new TS3 with Atmos TS Blue for $450.




    Getting a brand new head would be easier than the shaft part but you could have probably gotten close to that. Quick check on ebay shows that the prices of both items would be close from what I just checked.

    I do agree however the upcharge from companies and not the others is very discouraging.
    TS3 10.5 AD DI 6x
    TS2 16.5 AD DI 8x
    716 T-MB 3 AD DI Hybrid 95x
    716 T-MB 4 Project x 6.5
    716 CB 5-6 Project x 6.5
    716 MB 7-PW Project x 6.5
    SM6 46 F Grind Project x 6.0(in rotation)
    SM7 50 F Grind, 54 S Grind, 58 L Grind Project x 6.0
    Scotty Cameron Tour Rat R&D Proto Concept 1
  • swoll crackerswoll cracker Advanced Members Posts: 389 ✭✭
    hypergolf wrote:


    You all know what to do image/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' /> Please discuss, argue or debate your thoughts, experience, feel, distance etc.Thanks guys.




    First let me start by saying I'm pretty much a Callaway guy over the last 12 years. I'm currently playing a Rogue SZ.



    I swung all 3 of these on Trackman last week. My longest results were with the EPIC Flash. I got similar ballspeeds from the TS3 but a tad higher spin resulted in a few yards less than the Flash. I got lower speeds off of the M5 by about 3mph but low spin rates produced solid distance. The distance differences quite frankly were not enough to worry about. 272 for Flash, 269 for TS3, 268 for M5.



    With them being so close, it's really dispersion, look, and feel that will drive my decision. I could not get the M5 dialed in well enough to hit it consistently. I hit the TS3 beautifully; at my target with very little movement either direction. Similar with the Flash but not quite as tight a dispersion pattern. I have a bit of a dilemma. Callaway products have been good to me but I honestly think I might be better off in the TS3. It gave me the best combination of distance, accuracy, look, and feel. My numbers were 99mph, 147mph, 13.9 launch, 2400rpm, 35* angle of descent with a TS3 9.5* head set at B1, HZRDUS Smoke 6.0 shaft at 45".



    I swung the Cobra F9 and the PING G410 as well but not on Trackman. 410 was forgiving but I don't think it was as long. F9 felt solid and I think it was getting out there pretty good. I did hit the M6 on Trackman and the results were down around 144 ballspeed with 262 average but much straighter than the M5. I think the 410 and M6 would give me similar results. And I think the F9 was pretty close to Flash and TS3.



    Callaway EPIC Flash SZ 9*, Mitsubishi Tensei Blue 65 S-flex
    Callaway Rogue SZ 18* Project X EvenFlo 75 S-flex
    Callaway Rogue 21* Project X EvenFlo 75 S-flex
    Callaway X2Hot Pro 23* Hybrid Fujikura Motore F1 85
    Callaway Rogue Pro 5-AW Project X LZ 95 6.0
    Callaway MD4 54* S Grind
    Callaway MD4 PM Grind 58*
    Toulon Design Columbus 34"
  • radimanradiman Advanced Members Posts: 4,506 ✭✭

    hypergolf wrote:


    You all know what to do image/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' /> Please discuss, argue or debate your thoughts, experience, feel, distance etc.Thanks guys.




    First let me start by saying I'm pretty much a Callaway guy over the last 12 years. I'm currently playing a Rogue SZ.



    I swung all 3 of these on Trackman last week. My longest results were with the EPIC Flash. I got similar ballspeeds from the TS3 but a tad higher spin resulted in a few yards less than the Flash. I got lower speeds off of the M5 by about 3mph but low spin rates produced solid distance. The distance differences quite frankly were not enough to worry about. 272 for Flash, 269 for TS3, 268 for M5.



    With them being so close, it's really dispersion, look, and feel that will drive my decision. I could not get the M5 dialed in well enough to hit it consistently. I hit the TS3 beautifully; at my target with very little movement either direction. Similar with the Flash but not quite as tight a dispersion pattern. I have a bit of a dilemma. Callaway products have been good to me but I honestly think I might be better off in the TS3. It gave me the best combination of distance, accuracy, look, and feel. My numbers were 99mph, 147mph, 13.9 launch, 2400rpm, 35* angle of descent with a TS3 9.5* head set at B1, HZRDUS Smoke 6.0 shaft at 45".



    I swung the Cobra F9 and the PING G410 as well but not on Trackman. 410 was forgiving but I don't think it was as long. F9 felt solid and I think it was getting out there pretty good. I did hit the M6 on Trackman and the results were down around 144 ballspeed with 262 average but much straighter than the M5. I think the 410 and M6 would give me similar results. And I think the F9 was pretty close to Flash and TS3.




    You don't owe any one OEM anything. Play what you want. Whatever gives you the best combination of distance, dispersion, and confidence. If it's the TS3, you can't go wrong. It is a beautiful club as most Titleist drivers are.
    Callaway Epic Flash 9* Tensei Pro Orange 70 TX
    Titleist 917 F3 15* Tensei Pro Blue 70 TX
    Callaway X-Forged UT 21* w/Motore Speeder TS 8.8 X
    Callaway 2016 Apex Pro 4-PW KBS 130X
    Taylormade Spider X Navy/White 35"
    Callaway MD3 54, 60, 64
    All sitting comfortably in my Sun Mountain Sync Cart Bag
  • sheldonjhackersheldonjhacker Advanced Members Posts: 3,699 ✭✭
    For those TS3 fans...are they much less forgiving than the TS2 ? Thanks
  • minteqminteq Advanced Members Posts: 2,855
    For those TS3 fans...are they much less forgiving than the TS2 ? Thanks




    I don’t think so, I hit both at my fitting, the TS3 was a little lower spinning and I like the head shape better. Dispersion wise for me they were about equal.
    Callaway Epic SZ Hzrdus T800
    Titleist TS2 16.5 Hzrdus Smoke 70s
    Nike VPC 4-Aw
    Callaway PM 56/60
    Nike 006 Proto
    Callaway Chrome Soft
  • cjyner97cjyner97 Advanced Members Posts: 81 ✭✭
    I prefer the EF subzero an TS3 so far
    9* Epic Subzero
    Hzrdus Yellow stiff

    15* Rogue 3w
    Hzruds Yellow stiff

    17* 790 UDI
    Hzruds Black stiff

    MP 18 FLI HI 4
    Modus 105s

    5-PW 900 tour
    Modus 105s

    MD4 50, 54, 58
    DG S200

    TM Spider tour black
  • James ColeJames Cole Members Posts: 59 ✭✭
    Guys I am a high HC looking for max forgiveness and easy to turn over my shots tend to go right.



    Options are TS2/TS3 or G400 Max unfortunately where I live I cant try any of this clubs so whats your experience?



    Thanks!

    JC
  • GoGoErkyGoGoErky Advanced Members Posts: 993 ✭✭
    James Cole wrote:


    Guys I am a high HC looking for max forgiveness and easy to turn over my shots tend to go right.



    Options are TS2/TS3 or G400 Max unfortunately where I live I cant try any of this clubs so whats your experience?



    Thanks!

    JC




    G400 max imo is the most forgiving of these. Turning over is more swing related than head
  • vietnameehvietnameeh HIT BALL FAR NOT BALL STRAIGHT Advanced Members Posts: 1,849
    I got to try all of the new offerings except g410



    They all went the same distance +- 5 yards for me (pga superstore so no accurate numbers)



    So I just went with what felt best (on good hits and misfits) and looked best. I could honesty game any of them

    My order: F9, M5, TS3, epic flash sz, M6, Ts2



    For craps and giggles ... honorable mention: I grabbed a Wilson c300 and I was really surprised by it lol!



    Cobra LTD PRO 7.5F* Aldila Phenom NL 60X
    Callaway XR16 Pro 14* Graphite Design PM902X
    Taylormade M3 17* Fujikura 869 Speeder Tour Spec X
    2012 TaylorMade Tour Preferred MC 4-PW X100
    Wilson FG Tour TC 52,56,60
    Ping TR 1966 Anser 2
    #vietnameeh
  • CDMCDM Advanced Members Posts: 1,637 ✭✭
    I hit all 3 in testing. Went to TS3 (switched from Epic) as it was best for me and loving it. All are very very good so you cant go wrong, just get fit to which is best for you..
  • MahamiltoMahamilto Advanced Members Posts: 1,816 ✭✭
    Ts3 and TS2 are close in forgiveness.



    Ts2 better if you miss across whole face or need the extra launch/spin



    Ts3 better if you want to tune for a consistent miss ( weight to heel or toe improves that side of the face) or if u hit it too high/need less spin.



    Dispersion did me was equal (when ts3 was on fade weight setup), but the ts3 was longer
    Titleist TS3 - 10.5 - HZRDUS Smoke Black 60 6.5
    Titleist 917F2 - 15*, Diamana S+ LTD 80TX
    Titleist 716 T-MB 3-4-iron - KBS C-Taper 130x
    Titleist 716 T-MB 5-PW - DG AMT x100
    Titleist 718 AP2 50* - DG AMT x100
    Titleist SM7 55* S-Grind - DG AMT x100
    Titleist SM2 59.12* - DG Tour Issue x100
    Evnroll ER6-B
    Titleist AVX
    Titleist Staff Stand Bag
  • tgg27tgg27 Member Advanced Members Posts: 90 ✭✭
    I have hit all three and own the TS3. I spent the least amount of time with the m5. I just couldn't get the ball speed consistently with it. I ordered an EF Sub Zero. I just was a little more consistent with it than my TS3 and the distance dispersion was much tighter. I think it was around 8 or 9 yds difference from best to worst vs about 20 yds best to worst with the ts3. I have seen that on the course with the TS3 as well. Every once in awhile (once or twice a round) I will get a really spinny ball that flies about 20 yds less than normal. Im not sure what the miss is but it happens too much for my liking. I also found the ef sz to be more workable for me. My stock shot is a fade. I can hit that all day with the ts3 but i found the ef sz a little easier to turn over if i need to.
    My ITB changes too frequently to keep up with it here.
  • puresurfrpuresurfr Advanced Members Posts: 1,835 ✭✭
    I own the TS3 and TS2 and started with the TS3 being my gamer and then went with the TS2. Today I had the chance to test the F9 and the M5 and the Flash driver. I used a TP5X ball but the shafts were all over the place but the results were surprisingly close....I found the F9 to have the highest ball speed but also the least forgiveness I terms of dispersion. The M5 had amazing speed all over the face and shots that felt bad went almost as far as pured shots.....Finally the Flash, I could not make heads or tails of this driver, it just didn't work for me, I just couldn't put a decent swing on it....maybe it was the swing weight or the shaft profile. Compared with my TS2, the F9 was slightly longer and had a faster ball speed, it definitely launched the lowest and had the lowest spin. the M5 had similar ball speed and back spin and launch as my TS2 but I found the face to be more forgiving in terms of mishits. All are very good drivers. My next driver to demo is the PXG Gen2. The Cobra F9 and the M5 definitely deserve further testing with different shafts. I currently use a Tour AD VR 6 and its tough to find a similar shaft for testing.
  • ian-500ian-500 Advanced Members Posts: 612 ✭✭
    puresurfr wrote:


    I own the TS3 and TS2 and started with the TS3 being my gamer and then went with the TS2. Today I had the chance to test the F9 and the M5 and the Flash driver. I used a TP5X ball but the shafts were all over the place but the results were surprisingly close....I found the F9 to have the highest ball speed but also the least forgiveness I terms of dispersion. The M5 had amazing speed all over the face and shots that felt bad went almost as far as pured shots.....Finally the Flash, I could not make heads or tails of this driver, it just didn't work for me, I just couldn't put a decent swing on it....maybe it was the swing weight or the shaft profile. Compared with my TS2, the F9 was slightly longer and had a faster ball speed, it definitely launched the lowest and had the lowest spin. the M5 had similar ball speed and back spin and launch as my TS2 but I found the face to be more forgiving in terms of mishits. All are very good drivers. My next driver to demo is the PXG Gen2. The Cobra F9 and the M5 definitely deserve further testing with different shafts. I currently use a Tour AD VR 6 and its tough to find a similar shaft for testing.




    Similar shafts would all be from Graphite Design. The VR is based off the IZ, and the IZ is based off the DI........very subtle differences in each profile and materials from DI to IZ. Apparently.
    Cobra F9 9* + Tour AD IZ 7x.
    Callaway Rogue SZ 15 Tour Issue + Tour AD IZ 7x.
    Callaway Rogue 19 Tour Issue + Tour AD IZ 8s.
    Adams Pro 23 Tour Issue + Tour AD UT95x
    Adams DHY Pro 27 + Irod 105x.
    Adams XTD Forged Tour Issue 6i - GW + Recoil Prototype 125F5.
    Adams XTD Forged SW/LW + KBS Hi-Rev x.
    SeeMore SB1, Accra FX300, Garsen.
  • Cpm881Cpm881 Rookie Advanced Members Posts: 169 ✭✭
    I hit all 3 outdoors on flightscope- Epic Flash SZ, TS3, and M5. For me Epic flash was +2-3mph faster ball speed than M5 and TS3. M5 and TS3 were better than my old x2hot though, ~+1-2MPH faster ball speed. TS3 had best feel for me. I'm not a fan of the dull/muted/thud callaway/TM offerings have had over past couple years.



    I own an Epic from 2 years ago and hate it. Despite my inability to hit the old Epic, I'm going with Epic Flash SZ.



    Altho, I'm tempted to hold off until i can hit Cobra/Ping offerings.
    X2Hot 10.5* (soon to be Epic Flash 9*.....)
    TM M3 15*
    Steelhead XR 3h 19*
    i25s 4-UW
    Cleveland 54*, 60*
    TM Spider
    ProV1
  • DaRizDaRiz Advanced Members Posts: 1,503 ✭✭
    I just had an indoor fitting on trackman, and after landing on a shaft, these were the 3 drivers that I really put through the ringer as the cream of the crop. G410 unfortunately was knocked out early, and I guess important to note I did not hit a Cobra. I am a 6 handicap swinging 112 mph with a +1 AOA.



    Ball speed: Equal.

    All within 1 mph, I did not see any significant variance. Side note: G410 was 2-3 mph less, which is why it got cut early.



    Spin: Very close. M5 was 1900-2000, EFSZ and TS3 were 2000-2100. A few M5 dipped super low bringing the average down a bit. At my swing speed and trajectory this was not a significant factor in distance.



    Sound/Feel: TS3 >>> EFSZ > M5

    No comparison, the TS3 sounded like the Cobra LTD or Callaway DBD, super smushy and soft, but also thick and solid. Like a bongo bat if anyone remembers those. The EFSZ was much better than the M5, but both had the typical modern driver feel with that mechanical boxy sound.



    Forgiveness: TS3 > EFSZ > M5

    I was hitting a tight little draw grouping with the TS3 and then hit one way off the toe and watched it go dead straight. Something my Ping G would do. M5 felt hard to control directionally, too many slight pulls and pushes, any flaw in my face angle felt exposed. EFSZ was solid, but a few off center hits were not playable, and the data showed a much wider grouping than the TS3. My TS3 grouping minus the outliers was the size of a small hand towel.



    Overall I was expecting to get fit into a TM or Callaway because I knew I needed to lower my spin coming from a Ping G, but I was not willing to give up foregiveness (which is my I was playing the G to begin with). Titleist was not even on my radar as I haven’t liked any of their drivers since the 913. They were loud, and spun too much without being forgiving. The TS3 blew me away in all categories, especially feel. I can’t say enough about how good it sounded. All three have amazing ball speed and ultra low spin, but with the TS3 I don’t feel like I have to pure it to be in play. I gained 10 mph ball speed and 30 yards vs my gamer. Went from 270 to 300 total distance. Cut spin in half (yes my Ping G was knocking on the door of a ghastly 4000 rpm). Most of that was from the shaft change, but the low spin + forgiveness of this TS3 head feels special.



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    G25 16.5* Rogue Silver 70S
    913H 19* S+ 82S
    MP H4 (4-6) MP4 (7-PW) s300
    SM5 50.12F /54.14F SM7 60.12D s200
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  • KingKongKingKong Advanced Members Posts: 2,011 ✭✭
    I've owned all mentioned. All to my spec. The EF SZ was the clear cut winner. Only offering this year I haven't owned in the 410 and I suck with ping drivers, so I doubt I'll get one anyway.

    Epic Flash SZ 9* w/ Pro Orange 70TX
    Epic Flash SZ 15* w/ AD TP 8X
    G400 19* w/ AD DI 95X
    Apex Pro '19 4-P w/ C Taper S+
    SM7 Raw 50/54/58 w/ TI S400

    ER5 Black


  • aquapigaquapig Advanced Members Posts: 174
    The ST190 is my gamer right now, after having my TS3 stolen.



    Loved my TS3, but I tried the ST190 and was blown away. I could game either and be very happy.

  • Kentsp1Kentsp1 Advanced Members Posts: 361 ✭✭
    Cpm881 wrote:


    I hit all 3 outdoors on flightscope- Epic Flash SZ, TS3, and M5. For me Epic flash was +2-3mph faster ball speed than M5 and TS3. M5 and TS3 were better than my old x2hot though, ~+1-2MPH faster ball speed. TS3 had best feel for me. I'm not a fan of the dull/muted/thud callaway/TM offerings have had over past couple years.



    I own an Epic from 2 years ago and hate it. Despite my inability to hit the old Epic, I'm going with Epic Flash SZ.



    Altho, I'm tempted to hold off until i can hit Cobra/Ping offerings.




    Exact same experience. Epic flash sz was slightly faster.
    Callaway Epic SZ 9* rogue max 75 X
    Callaway Epic SZ 15* rogue max 85 X
    Taylormade MC 3-W KBS Tour X
    Taylormade TP 52, 56 KBS Tour X
    Vokey Brushed Copper SM6 60*
    Odyssey O-works black 7S 33 1/2 "
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