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All 3 hybrids I've tried (Nike Vapor Speed, Cobra F8, and Taylormade M2) always had a big draw bias and reading around I'm not the only one it sounds like. Anyone know of any hybrids that aren't designed to draw the ball? Thanks!

Have heard good things about Titleist hybrids (816 and 818 models) and how most hybrids played on tour are Titleist probably for the reason of not as draw bias I assume?

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Recently picked up '19 Apex, and I have to really try to get it to go left. I've always struggled with hooking hybrids, too, so I can't say enough good things about it.

Srixon Zx5 MKII 9.5* Lin-Q Gunmetal 6

Callaway Paradym HL (set to 15.5*) Speeder Evolution V 661

Tour Edge Exotics E722 18* Ventus Blue 6

Cobra King Tec 4 Utility MMT 80
PXG 0311P Gen2 5-PW MMT 80

Ping Glide 4.0 50* SS, 54* WS KBS Tour
Callaway MD PM Grind Raw 58* KBS Tour
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Apex. Look at callaway preowned right now. Everything is 30% cheaper in cart. I see 4 xstiff left handed 20 degree modelshttps://www.callawaygolfpreowned.com/golf-clubs/hybrids/hybrids-2019-apex.html

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Titleist 818 are great and you can swap in a fade bias weight.

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TBD 10.5*, Tour AD IZ 5R
ROGUE MAX 3HL, Heavenwood

PING G410  22*, 26* Hybrids 

PXG Gen5 0311P 7-GW, steelfiber 70
CALLAWAY  MD5 - 56*, 60*
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I have the 818 H2 in 19 and 21*. There is still some danger of missing left if you fail to make a full shoulder turn or have too strong of a grip (same as with any other club IMO)

But the adjustable hosel and adjustable weights let me set these clubs up with a fade bias (which I do), and that made a difference. I got them in December and they aren't coming out of the bag anytime soon.

 

Titleist TSR3 10*: LA Golf Olyss 65S

Titleist TSi2 16.5*: Aldila Rogue Silver 125 70S

Titleist TSR3 19*:  LA Golf Ozik Black Tie 105S

Titleist TSi2 22*: Aldila Tour Blue 105TX

Grindworks PR-202 6-PW: Nippon Modus3 120X

Edel SMS 48*V / 60*T:  Nippon Modus 125 Wedge 

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I have used the 816 and currently have a 818h1 in my bag. Both are very similar. I would imagine the 816 is probably much cheaper. I wouldn’t say either was draw biased. However the 818 has the weight which can be put into the fade setting. I played both hybrids in the slightly flat and open setting. The 818 has better stock shafts IMO. I haven’t tried the 818h2 which is supposed to be smaller and more of a players club. That might be worth looking into.

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Ping G410 set flat.

TaylorMade Sim Max 9* @ 7* Fujikura Ventus Blue TR 5 Reg
Ping G425 3wd @ Flat setting Fujikura Ventus Blue TR 5 Reg 
Ping G425 7wd @ -1 Flat setting Fujikura Ventus Blue TR 6 Reg
Ping G425 22 hybrid @ Flat setting Fujikura Ventus Blue HB 6 reg
PXG Gen 4 0311XP 6-GW Fujikura Axiom 75 R2 

Cleveland CBX Zipcore 50*, 56*, 60* DG Spinner Stiff stepped soft
Evnroll ER7  33” Rosemark grip

 

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Apex. Stud. You can custom order flatter if it fits you better that way. First hybrid that I can hit a fade with.

Ping G430 10k - 9* - Ventus TR Black 6x

Callaway Apex UW - 19* - Ventus Black 7x

PXG 0311P Gen6 - 5i-GW - DG x100

Vokey SM9 - 52.12F, 56.14F - DG x100ss

Vokey SM9 - 60.08M - KBS Hi-Rev 2.0

Callaway PM Grind 64 - KBS C-Taper 130x

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I'd have to say the Apex as well, although I'm pretty biased. This thread did give me a smile though, as I'm trying to setup my hybrid spot in the bag to hook at all times! Good luck with the search!

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'24 Apex UW 19° w/Rogue Silver

Epic Flash 20° w/VS Proto 
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Older Pro Model Adams Hybrids are still on ebay. The 9031 (Super and regular), XTD, Super Pro, LSP, and the A12 comes to mind. Some can be found cheap enough to where a shaft swap makes it still pretty inexpensive.

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Driver: 10.5* Stealth 2 Plus set 1 click lower upright setting- Accra FX 2.0 270 M4 

Fairways & Hybrids: TM Stealth2 Plus 5 wood turned down to 17* (AV Raw White 75s); 21* Callaway UW (Tour AD TP 8s); 
Irons: Srixon MKII ZX5 4 Iron (Recoil Utility 110 F4), 5-PW Srixon ZX7 (DG AMT White s300)
Wedges: Tour Satin Cleveland RTX6 48* Mid bent to 49* and 52* bent to 54*;  RTX Zipcore Tour Rack Raw 56* Mid bent to 58* (All wedges with DGTI s400 shafts)

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I purchased the Titleist 816H1. Heard its not very draw bias and was played on tour by many pros including Spieth. I like how lie angle can be flattened and loft adjusted so I'll most likely flatten it 1 degree and lessen the loft 1 degree as well! Can't wait to try it now Minnesota just needs to open some courses!!

Would have liked to try the Callaway Apex as a lot of you mentioned but not trying to pay close to $200...Titleist was 80.

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I can’t speak to models I haven’t hit. I can tell you for me, I have had the same club completely change in performance after they were adjusted flatter. I have played Ping i25 hybrids and now Ping G410 hybrids. Having them both set up flat made the ball flight much more neutral.

TaylorMade Sim Max 9* @ 7* Fujikura Ventus Blue TR 5 Reg
Ping G425 3wd @ Flat setting Fujikura Ventus Blue TR 5 Reg 
Ping G425 7wd @ -1 Flat setting Fujikura Ventus Blue TR 6 Reg
Ping G425 22 hybrid @ Flat setting Fujikura Ventus Blue HB 6 reg
PXG Gen 4 0311XP 6-GW Fujikura Axiom 75 R2 

Cleveland CBX Zipcore 50*, 56*, 60* DG Spinner Stiff stepped soft
Evnroll ER7  33” Rosemark grip

 

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It is interesting you asked this question. I recently emailed Callaway customer service to ask the "Offset" specs of the Apex 19' vs the Mavrik Pro as I do not like the draw bias as hybrids tend to have. Callaway did in fact write me back saying that they could not "distribute" that information. Very interesting as to why most irons have offset specs online but not cannot provide hybrid specs?

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