Edel Single Length Irons

[c5bubblechaser]

Electric car was tried before too...doesn't mean it's a bad idea

electric car is a terrible idea

[wldchld22]

Electric car was tried before too...doesn't mean it's a bad idea

electric car is a terrible idea

 

No it's not. In its current form maybe. So let's not derail the thread.

 

So just because an idea was done before and flopped means it can't be tried again?

 

I'm not educated on last tries at this theory but I'm sure there has to be some type of loft manipulation to make this work? Maybe there is better head technology now that can make this work?

 

I applaud any manufacturer willing to take a chance.

[Noke]

Electric car was tried before too...doesn't mean it's a bad idea

electric car is a terrible idea

 

No it's not. In its current form maybe. So let's not derail the thread.

 

So just because an idea was done before and flopped means it can't be tried again?

 

I'm not educated on last tries at this theory but I'm sure there has to be some type of loft manipulation to make this work? Maybe there is better head technology now that can make this work?

 

I applaud any manufacturer willing to take a chance.

 

I know that Wishon uses max .830 COR designs in the longer irons and standard thick-face shorter irons to make the yardage gaps work.

 

And then he puts them in an electric car and bakes them at 350* for 2 hours.

[g-off]

Lets see, metal woods, graphite shafts, oh wait metal shafts also, soft spikes, lets wait and see, like the concept just curious to see how it all turns out :tomato:

[goodvibes]

So your statment stands true, as long as everyone is playing tapered tip shafts in their irons. Seeing as the vast majority of golfers are not playing TTs, the flex is accurate throughout the bag.

 

Disagree with the part about shaft flex changing. They are difference lengths, but the step patterns are also different, which means the kick point is changing between each club. It's inaccurate to say that standard sets aren't built to incorporate weight, kick point and flex changes throughout the set.

 

Glad your single length set works though.

 

I've never built irons with tapers, so I can't speak to those, but when tip length is added to a parallel shaft, it changes the flex. There are so many compensations made for conventional irons to make them somewhat playable.

Shorter iron heads get heavier as you cut the tip so they play much closer in flex than you described but they do get a bit stiffer as you go towards the pitching wedge. 1/2 inch is usually about 2.5 cycles and 7 grams should affect it about the same with parallel tip shafts but I do think they freq out a bit stiffer as they get shorter, probably simply because they are shorter. I tend to think parallel shaft curves are bit shallow. With constant weights they will get stiffer in the short irons, steeper curve. Rifles are in between. Flighteds are becoming more popular and they tend to have the steepest curve available.

 

There have been taper shafts with frequency matching for normal headweights. I think the Black Golds were one. Problem is they tend to not last as golfers seem to prefer the taper tip, stiffer short iron approach. Shorter arc, steeper descent works like that. It's personal but equal length is not a better way, just different. Personally I don't think I'd like a 37.5" PW or to the other extreme, a 37.5 " Driver. There's no reason that mentality should be limited to irons or at least, why not fairway woods. One swing is one swing.

[Kingcat990]

No offense to Edel, but if its $225/iron it had better have some ridiculous fixture screws all over it or it had better be forged by a ninja on a mountain in Japan

[gsea33]

Hogan is rolling over in his grave.

[laxwax]

http://www.golf.com/tour-and-news/bryson-dechambeau-custom-clubmaker-and-teaching-pro-might-be-start-golfing-revolution?page=4&simple=1

 

"Edel has found a middle ground with the fitting system for single-length irons he is introducing at this week's PGA Show in Orlando. This will be the delivery system for bringing DeChambeau's clubs to the masses. Each kit will have 30 shafts weighing between 80 and 135 grams, in 4-, 6- and 8-iron lengths. There will be three heads and a dozen grips. Edel and Schy will start beta-testing the system after the show, in hopes of delivering to consumers their own sets as early as April. The tentative price is $225 a club. Edel hopes to train an army of qualified fitters, but for now he is moving cautiously."

 

Sounds a like a good idea for the fitting aspect. I'd pay Edel for a fitting and the go use the specs to build a some Wishon's or Pinhawks.

 

$225 a club is a bit steep.

[phelps22]

So what's wrong with Edel charging $225/club when its a complete custom stick?

Yes I know it's a radical concept that has been made popular again by a top ranked amateur but tgey are going to put you in a set that will work for you. Nobody had a problem paying that kind of money for a set of custom Scratch irons.

[Neurotica]

So what's wrong with Edel charging $225/club when its a complete custom stick?

Yes I know it's a radical concept that has been made popular again by a top ranked amateur but tgey are going to put you in a set that will work for you. Nobody had a problem paying that kind of money for a set of custom Scratch irons.

 

Well $1,800 for a 8 club set just doesn't make sense. Just ask scratch how that worked out...

 

http://www.golfwrx.com/331212/scratch-golf-is-going-out-of-business/

 

[soap1984]

Electric car was tried before too...doesn't mean it's a bad idea

electric car is a terrible idea

 

Way to completely miss the point. If it's a bad idea, it's not a bad idea because it's been tried before. It could have been executed poorly or the wrong timing etc.

 

Obviously technology and peoples tastes etc change over time and companies can do things different ways and improve. You are right about the electric car, oil will last forever right....

 

I have no idea if the single length iron would work for me, they are obviously working on it because as a concept it inherently makes sense; minimizing the difference between clubs should increase consistency in the swing.

 

[phelps22]

So what's wrong with Edel charging $225/club when its a complete custom stick?

Yes I know it's a radical concept that has been made popular again by a top ranked amateur but tgey are going to put you in a set that will work for you. Nobody had a problem paying that kind of money for a set of custom Scratch irons.

 

Well $1,800 for a 8 club set just doesn't make sense. Just ask scratch how that worked out...

 

http://www.golfwrx.com/331212/scratch-golf-is-going-out-of-business/

 

Yea, I don't think this is going to break the bank for them. From the sound of it seems like they expecting this to be a niche product that they will have the ability to fit a player into if they believe it's the right product for them. Their standard iron sets are pretty pricey as well are they $225 per club? I can't answer that cause I've never looked into them. They will do fine and I doubt they will end up like scratch due to this set of irons.

[J_Tizzle]

So what's wrong with Edel charging $225/club when its a complete custom stick?

Yes I know it's a radical concept that has been made popular again by a top ranked amateur but tgey are going to put you in a set that will work for you. Nobody had a problem paying that kind of money for a set of custom Scratch irons.

 

Well $1,800 for a 8 club set just doesn't make sense. Just ask scratch how that worked out...

 

http://www.golfwrx.c...ut-of-business/

 

Yea, I don't think this is going to break the bank for them. From the sound of it seems like they expecting this to be a niche product that they will have the ability to fit a player into if they believe it's the right product for them. Their standard iron sets are pretty pricey as well are they $225 per club? I can't answer that cause I've never looked into them. They will do fine and I doubt they will end up like scratch due to this set of irons.

 

Honestly if you're worried about the cost, I think Edel might not be the brand for you...

[RichieHunt]

so did anyone ever hit PW-7-3 iron with the same length? sounds interesting.

those jumbo grips on those clubs are hideous

 

Edel had a 2nd set of DeChambeau's clubs at the PGA Merchandise show at their booth. They are extremely upright (per DeChambeau's request). I'm 6'4" and the toe to their wedge was way up in the air. Between that, the jumbo max grips and the C-Taper shafts, I can't imagine coming close to hitting those clubs remotely well.

 

But, I am extremely interested in the single length option. Just have to get them fit.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

RH

[RichieHunt]

Why would someone need to change to Dechambeau's swing methodology to make single-length irons work?

 

I think Wishon's Sterling irons make sense and combat some of the yardage problems inherent in SL iron design. I'd need to see more info about the Edel stuff to make a judgement on that set.

 

I don't see why somebody would need to swing like DeChambeau either. And he's not actually a '1-plane swing'. He was recently measured by Dr. Kwon's biomechanics lab and it showed that wasn't true.

 

I'm a little curious about the yardage on the long irons with a SL concept. Looking at DeChambeau's 4-iron at the show, it just looked so unusual because it was so short. I wasn't used to seeing a low lofted club like that be so short in length.

 

 

 

 

 

 

RH

[ne26]

For a "dying" sport, you would think people would try to be more open minded to different things.

 

Nope. Just shoot down anything different.

 

And people already complaining about price. Another shocker.

 

I'm starting to think people would be happier with a hand shaped custom one off persimmon wood....that costs $20. Sounds reasonable.

[vangator1]

Why would someone need to change to Dechambeau's swing methodology to make single-length irons work?

 

I think Wishon's Sterling irons make sense and combat some of the yardage problems inherent in SL iron design. I'd need to see more info about the Edel stuff to make a judgement on that set.

 

I don't see why somebody would need to swing like DeChambeau either. And he's not actually a '1-plane swing'. He was recently measured by Dr. Kwon's biomechanics lab and it showed that wasn't true.

 

I'm a little curious about the yardage on the long irons with a SL concept. Looking at DeChambeau's 4-iron at the show, it just looked so unusual because it was so short. I wasn't used to seeing a low lofted club like that be so short in length.

 

 

RH

 

Not to worry. You may lose a little yardage with the 4 iron, but not much. You may even make up for it in better ball striking. I have the Pinkhawks with the 4 iron. I hit it about the same as my old conventional set. I hit it between 190 - 210 depending on how hard I swing. Could hit it farther if needed, but usually go to the 5 wood. The SL 4 iron goes much straighter than my old 4 iron. I love the 4 iron on a couple of short, tight par 4's. The "long" irons are the best part of the SL iron concept because you'll just hit them better.

[cradd10]

Would it be possible to take an older set of irons (Callaway x20 tour) and try the single length. I guess I would need to lead tape the long irons????

[Arafel]

Would it be possible to take an older set of irons (Callaway x20 tour) and try the single length. I guess I would need to lead tape the long irons????

 

You need to...

 

Have all of you clubs bent to the same lie angle

 

You need to have eight 6iron shafts to put in all of your clubs

 

You need to have all of your clubs weigh the same as your six or seven iron.

 

You need to add lead tape to the long irons

 

You need to drill out weight on your short irons.

 

 

If you don't know what you're doing, don't bother, this will amount to nothing more than a hack job if you attempt it.

[vangator1]

Would it be possible to take an older set of irons (Callaway x20 tour) and try the single length. I guess I would need to lead tape the long irons????

 

You need to...

 

Have all of you clubs bent to the same lie angle

 

You need to have eight 6iron shafts to put in all of your clubs

 

You need to have all of your clubs weigh the same as your six or seven iron.

 

You need to add lead tape to the long irons

 

You need to drill out weight on your short irons.

 

 

If you don't know what you're doing, don't bother, this will amount to nothing more than a hack job if you attempt it.

 

I'm an old club building ho. I've tried doing what you mentioned (making an old set single length) and it didn't turn out well.

 

I agree with Arefel.

[BD57]

This has been tried before.

 

Not really

 

Tommy Armour EQL

 

TOTALLY DONE BEFORE

 

"Totally" overstates it.

 

Per the story, Edel is putting it out in a "fitting system" - irons may all be the same length, but the length won't necessarily be the same from set to set.

 

EQL was a "one size fits all" club.

[mdgboxx]

This has been tried before.

 

Not really

 

Tommy Armour EQL

 

TOTALLY DONE BEFORE

 

"Totally" overstates it.

 

Per the story, Edel is putting it out in a "fitting system" - irons may all be the same length, but the length won't necessarily be the same from set to set.

 

EQL was a "one size fits all" club.

 

If I understand correctly, the length could be any club, whichever the customer prefers. As in, 8 iron for an individual, and 6 iron for another. But, the club heads will all be the same weight and same lie.

 

I didn't see offset mentioned, however.

[tx33]

Curious, whats the Wishon irons cost?

That depends on your fitter; Wishons are not sold through retail channels, accredited club fitters only. Generally not more expensive than any OEM club, but including the fitting.

 

See this tread for more details on the design process & pros/cons of single length: http://www.golfwrx.c...ron-discussion/

[TheInfidel]

Would it be possible to take an older set of irons (Callaway x20 tour) and try the single length. I guess I would need to lead tape the long irons????

 

I think the short answer is no. I read it took quite a but of R&D to get his irons right. Club head mass, MOI and shaft specs play a big part in the make up of this set. Most notably however for your experiment the mass on BDs wedges is lower than a stock wedge. Thus promoting the yardage gap based on 4 degree increments. You can add weight to the long irons but you can't take it out (easily) from the short irons. I think!

[jll62]

Personally, I think we'll eventually see that comparing the TA EQLs or any previous single length iron to Edel's offering with detailed fitting will be a bit like comparing pre-iPhone smartphones to the original iPhone. The concept had been tried before, but never executed correctly with the right tech at the right time. I believe the right tech in the case of the irons is Edel's experience with Bryson and their commitment to fitting these, which is going to be crucial.

 

I've been very intrigued by single length irons for a while. It's one of those concepts that makes intuitive sense. Why not swing with the same length iron and remove as much variability as possible? I believe these are going to make the long irons really easy to hit, so the biggest question I have is trajectory with the short irons. Can I still flight the short irons at the heights I want? After that, what will the distance gaps be? How do the long irons launch and spin, etc. Can't wait to try them.

 

This product is never going to be for everyone, so I have no problems with the price.

[MJisGOAT]

Flop

 

This is about as bad as releasing Bubba Watson spec'd clubs to the public.

[GreggM]

This has been tried before.

 

Not really

Moe Norman anyone????

[Shilgy]

I think it is a good idea if implemented correctly-which is sounds like is the plan from Edel. The TA EQL was just equal length iirc. So the loft gapping and head weights were "normal". To make this work each player needs to be fitted to find out what shaft weight, head weight, and head loft will be needed to give the player a consistent yardage gapping.

[farmer]

For what it's worth, "stock" Edel irons are $180,00 each, apparently sold only by authorized fitters. Nice looking clubs, though. The idea may be sound, but the short game with 6 iron length wedges seems like a huge challenge. Surely, the huge grips are an option, not a standard feature?

[Arafel]

For what it's worth, "stock" Edel irons are $180,00 each, apparently sold only by authorized fitters. Nice looking clubs, though. The idea may be sound, but the short game with 6 iron length wedges seems like a huge challenge. Surely, the huge grips are an option, not a standard feature?

 

That's how Bryson wants them. You can get them any way you want.