Ebay seller ksouth9

[brew4eagle]

1 hour ago, Extra Stiff said:

My biggest questions for ksouth are, 1. How and where do you get your clubs? 2. How many are fake or defected? 3. Is it all coming for Eastern Asia?

My educated guess for #2 is zero % fake/counterfeit and a small percentage are factory seconds (cosmetic defects)

[dlow206]

There is another thread on here that says the stock comes from PGA Tour Superstore

[Therealpatgiles]

20 hours ago, Extra Stiff said:

Dicks never sells Honma's and the golf galaxys I got to rarely ever have them so that's why I suspect a different retailer or store. Maybe straight from the factory...?

Dick's had a huge honma display for 2019

[jcho01]

quickshipgolf-lack of communication, slow shipping without explanation. 

[nsxguy]

1 hour ago, jcho01 said:

quickshipgolf-lack of communication, slow shipping without explanation. 

 

   👍

[Nixhex524]

Just bought a set of 718 cb from Ksouth... BNIP.  Got them a couple days ago, no complaints, clubs looks perfect.  I did notice the serial on the hosels (on all of them) is in a "xxxxx-xx" form.  Not sure what it means, but the clubs themselves are perfect.  Shipping was a little on the slow side, but expected from UPS and just glad there were no issues.

[Drew Knox]

At the moment there are dozens of new Taylormade M4 7 irons listed from several sellers, including Ksouth.

so I bought one at what I think is a steal. Came fast, looks great, no visual sign of counterfeit- Except there is a label (sticker) that says components are from Viet Nam and it was assembled in Viet Nam. My internet research is saying Taylormade components are made in China and assembled in the US.

So I can’t say that I am certain that this club is legit.

[nsxguy]

On 2/4/2021 at 9:25 AM, Drew Knox said:

At the moment there are dozens of new Taylormade M4 7 irons listed from several sellers, including Ksouth.

so I bought one at what I think is a steal. Came fast, looks great, no visual sign of counterfeit- Except there is a label (sticker) that says components are from Viet Nam and it was assembled in Viet Nam. My internet research is saying Taylormade components are made in China and assembled in the US.

So I can’t say that I am certain that this club is legit.

 

Write to TM customer service and include pictures.

 

Many golf products/components are being made outside of China. Mexico and Vietnam are 2 such places.

 

Or go to a golf shop and look at TM and others irons and look at their stickers. I'm pretty sure I've seen both Mexico and Vietnam on those clubs before.

 

Edited to add - was at the PGA Tour store this afternoon and remembered this topic and took the 2 pics below.

 

1st is SIM2 MAX, 2nd is P790 TI

 

 

Edited February 7, 2021 by nsxguy

[JungleBob8]

 

 

 

On 4/2/21, I won Auction #224396240214 from Seller: Quickshipgolf, a new Tour Issue Taylormade Fairway head. These are one of a kind golf heads with 5 measurements written on a label. (Lie: 58.8, Loft: 14.5, FA: 0.7, Weight: 218.6, CT: 239). The CT number is Characteristic Time, the measurement of how hot the clubface is, *VERY IMPORTANT*. I received a different head with a CT of 231, the difference at 100mph= 12 yards less distance. I started the return and sent the Seller a message that I wanted to exchange the head they sent me for a very similar head. I started researching listing the Seller might have, when I found the head I paid for on another Seller's listing, bransports01, #373518423799 for $179.99. Same head without doubt, both listings were copies of each other. I would like to receive the item I purchased, I leave the transgressions of eBay policy to the Company. Thank you, Robert Fuller PS these criminals use Seller: thesupplychainusa

[jasonTeI3]

1 hour ago, JungleBob8 said:

 

 

 

On 4/2/21, I won Auction #224396240214 from Seller: Quickshipgolf, a new Tour Issue Taylormade Fairway head. These are one of a kind golf heads with 5 measurements written on a label. (Lie: 58.8, Loft: 14.5, FA: 0.7, Weight: 218.6, CT: 239). The CT number is Characteristic Time, the measurement of how hot the clubface is, *VERY IMPORTANT*. I received a different head with a CT of 231, the difference at 100mph= 12 yards less distance. I started the return and sent the Seller a message that I wanted to exchange the head they sent me for a very similar head. I started researching listing the Seller might have, when I found the head I paid for on another Seller's listing, bransports01, #373518423799 for $179.99. Same head without doubt, both listings were copies of each other. I would like to receive the item I purchased, I leave the transgressions of eBay policy to the Company. Thank you, Robert Fuller PS these criminals use Seller: thesupplychainusa

The difference between a 239 and 231 CT fairway wood head is definitely  not 12 yards with 100mph club head speed. 

[Skhacker]

45 minutes ago, jasonTeI3 said:

The difference between a 239 and 231 CT fairway wood head is definitely  not 12 yards with 100mph club head speed. 

But it’s not zero. 

[JungleBob8]

2 hours ago, jasonTeI3 said:

The difference between a 239 and 231 CT fairway wood head is definitely  not 12 yards with 100mph club head speed. 

1.5 yards per 1 CT point

[jasonTeI3]

23 minutes ago, JungleBob8 said:

1.5 yards per 1 CT point

I don’t know where you got that but I do not think that is correct. 

[JungleBob8]

1 minute ago, jasonTeI3 said:

I don’t know where you got that but I do not think that is correct. 

Geurin Rife told me this when we were discussing his TeeLess Driver in his Carlsbad office six years ago.

[jasonTeI3]

5 minutes ago, JungleBob8 said:

Geurin Rife told me this when we were discussing his TeeLess Driver in his Carlsbad office six years ago.

Pretty sure I’ve read quite a few threads on this topic over the years on this site and remember several posts from reputable members saying the difference in normal range CT measurements on TI clubs was negligible. In fact you see TI heads all the time that range from 220-240’s. No way the difference in a 220 and 240 CT head is 30 yards! 

[jasonTeI3]

So this is a post below that I had remembered reading a while back. You might want to especially check out the end. I trust Tom with anything concerning golf clubs and I’m sure almost everyone else on this forum does as well. 
 

 

TomWishon  23

Posted September 28, 2015

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[quote name='Redhill' timestamp='1443220596' post='12368122']


CT is a component measurement of the COR number and below is a link to some simple data on it. Basically a CT score of 239 = COR score of .83 and a CT score of 257= COR score of .837 which is the maximum allowed upper end.


[/quote]

This statement above is not true. A CT measurement of 257 usecs is equivalent to a 0.830 COR. A CT measurement of 239 usecs is equivalent to a COR of 0.822. You can rely on that as fact because I have been designing clubheads since 1986 so I am well aware of this information from the USGA. 

The reason that there is a designation for 239 vs 257 in CT measurements is because the USGA wants club companies to design their high COR clubheads so that the design specs point to a 239 CT when every spec in the production of the head model is achieved perfectly. They do not want companies to design their faces so that the CT would be 257 if all specs are hit perfectly. 

The USGA is well aware that every clubhead production factory on the planet has +/- tolerances in the production of the heads they make for the golf club companies. The most critical spec for having an effect on the CT/COR is face thickness. There are others, but this is the most important. Most typical +/- tolerance for the face thickness of a high COR model is +/-0.1mm. The USGA knows that if the companies set their design specs so that 239 CT is the norm, when heads come off the production line at the +/-0.1mm for face thickness, they know that none should be over the 257 CT limit. It's still possible of course, but policing this by telling the companies to use 239 CT as the spec norm will prevent the problem of there being thousands and thousands of heads being sold at retail that would be over the CT limit. 

While it can vary due to other parameters in the design, basically if a head designed to be 239CT comes out of production with its face -0.1mm thinner than the spec, its CT would be right there at or around 257 CT, which is the upper limit for CT / COR in the rules of golf. 

In fact, when you send high COR models into the USGA for conformity testing, if the driver/wood is found to have a CT over 239 but less than 257, it is ruled provisionally conforming - which means the USGA is warning the company to watch their specs on the heads or to dial down the face specs so as to avoid the possibility of heads coming off the line over the CT/COR limit when the +/- tolerances affecting the CT/COR come into play. If your test samples are at 239 or lower for the USGA CT test, then you get a fully conforming, no warning, letter from the USGA. 

The reason this USGA recommendation for a 239 CT came about is because some years ago when doing a random spot check of drivers, the USGA discovered drivers for sale that were over the 257CT limit in the rules. The USGA would go out to a retail golf store and buy drivers to take back to the USGA for CT conformity testing. They did this as a way for them to check up on what the companies were doing in their actual production of heads that had been submitted to the USGA and ruled to be conforming. And in this situation from some years ago, they did catch some over the limit drivers which were subsequently ruled to be non conforming - which caused the companies to have to go back and re design the heads with a different cosmetic marking to then be re submitted to the USGA and re checked in the conformity ruling. 

A pain in the neck in other words for the companies, plus a little bit embarrassing as well. These days I have not heard if the USGA is still conducting random driver checks for the CT. But this one incident from years ago was so publicized that it did in essence put the "fear of the USGA" into the minds of the companies. So it's more than likely most companies today will design their high COR heads so that if all specs for the face are hit perfectly, the actual CT would be not higher than 239 so it would be well under the 257 limit in the rules when any of the usual +/- tolerance matters kick in during mass production. 

As to the companies' stickers and all that, the USGA has told all companies that they do not want any company using CT measurements in any form of marketing of the companies' clubs. Most companies respect this. Stickers with CT measurements or other spec measurements are commonly used by all companies in checking heads. Why one would have its CT blacked out I can't say for sure. Could be that they didn't want to "risk" this credo from the USGA, could be something else. 

Now it will be true that when it comes to the tour players' drivers and high COR clubs, the companies will perform repeated CT measurements to be 100% sure that no club they give a tour player would be over the 257CT limit. Most will not even get that close to 257 with their tour players' clubs and will keep their clubheads not higher than 250 CT. Reason is because whoever is putting on the tournament in which the pros are playing, whether that be the USGA, PGA Tour or whoever, does have the right to perform their own CT testing at the tournament - should there be any suspicion that a player might be using a club with a CT over the limit. 

To my knowledge, this has not ever been done. But it is a possibility the companies are aware of. I personally know of no tournament since the COR rule went into effect in 1998 in which players' drivers or clubs were measured out of a suspicion of something being non conforming. Suffice to say that it would be very embarrassing for the player, and very much so for his sponsoring company, were something like this to happen. Hence the companies do not even want to mess with a risk of this so the clubs they make for the tour players would typically be several points well under the CT limit just to be completely safe and careful. 

And in the end, it really is not much of a deal. For a clubhead speed of 110mph, which is close to average on the tour, the difference in carry distance between a driver of 0.830 and one at 0.890 for the COR would not be more than 10 yds or so. So if you are talking a difference between 0.822 (239CT) and 0.830 (257CT), even at 110mph you are talking about a tiny difference. And as clubhead speed is lower, so too is the distance difference per each increment difference in the CT of the face. 

Hope this info helps a little

[JungleBob8]

5 hours ago, jasonTeI3 said:

I don’t know where you got that but I do not think that is correct. 

 

6 hours ago, JungleBob8 said:

1.5 yards per 1 CT point

I was wrong, it's far less, I misunderstood Geurin. I find it ironic though, that the fact the one of the largest sellers of golf equipment on eBay, defrauds hundreds, if not thousands of golfers and no one comments on that... They told me I could buy the club that I already purchased and pay $75 more from one of their fake sites. A criminal act was worth committing for the difference of 8 CT points.

[JungleBob8]

5 hours ago, jasonTeI3 said:

Pretty sure I’ve read quite a few threads on this topic over the years on this site and remember several posts from reputable members saying the difference in normal range CT measurements on TI clubs was negligible. In fact you see TI heads all the time that range from 220-240’s. No way the difference in a 220 and 240 CT head is 30 yards! 

I misunderstood Geurin, it's approximately .5 yards per CT unit, I apologize for my error everyone.

[jasonTeI3]

9 hours ago, JungleBob8 said:

 

I was wrong, it's far less, I misunderstood Geurin. I find it ironic though, that the fact the one of the largest sellers of golf equipment on eBay, defrauds hundreds, if not thousands of golfers and no one comments on that... They told me I could buy the club that I already purchased and pay $75 more from one of their fake sites. A criminal act was worth committing for the difference of 8 CT points.

I still agree with you on your point about misrepresented equipment. 

[nsxguy]

19 hours ago, JungleBob8 said:

 

 

 

On 4/2/21, I won Auction #224396240214 from Seller: Quickshipgolf, a new Tour Issue Taylormade Fairway head. These are one of a kind golf heads with 5 measurements written on a label. (Lie: 58.8, Loft: 14.5, FA: 0.7, Weight: 218.6, CT: 239). The CT number is Characteristic Time, the measurement of how hot the clubface is, *VERY IMPORTANT*. I received a different head with a CT of 231, the difference at 100mph= 12 yards less distance. I started the return and sent the Seller a message that I wanted to exchange the head they sent me for a very similar head. I started researching listing the Seller might have, when I found the head I paid for on another Seller's listing, bransports01, #373518423799 for $179.99. Same head without doubt, both listings were copies of each other. I would like to receive the item I purchased, I leave the transgressions of eBay policy to the Company. Thank you, Robert Fuller PS these criminals use Seller: thesupplychainusa

 

Interesting that the ad by bransport is advertised as 13* head but the stated loft is 14.5.

 

Also interesting is that the ad says "2 available".

 

Anyway, be sure to let us know hot the quickship return goes (I'm sure you get your $ back) but more interesting would be whether or not they block you from bidding with them again (as they did me).

[premiergolf]

bransports01 is just an eBay seller who buys stuff from ksouth9, quickshipgolf and teetogreen and flips it on eBay. All you have to do is check his buying history feedback. Probably appropriates the pics from the seller.

[indianagolf2]

Too risky fwiw

[bigvoo]

Was looking at Taylormade M Gloire quickship and k9south have the driver at crazy low prices.  Checked Taylormade site, and neither are Taylormade Authorized Ebay Sellers.. I am staying away, I think they sell a ton of fakes...

 

https://www.taylormadegolf.com/shared-customer-service/customerService-authorizedebay.html?lang=en_US

[nsxguy]

9 hours ago, bigvoo said:

Was looking at Taylormade M Gloire quickship and k9south have the driver at crazy low prices.  Checked Taylormade site, and neither are Taylormade Authorized Ebay Sellers.. I am staying away, I think they sell a ton of fakes...

 

https://www.taylormadegolf.com/shared-customer-service/customerService-authorizedebay.html?lang=en_US

 

Are they auction prices ? Or "Buy it Now" ? I expect the former.

 

Quickship starts all(?) their auction at 99 cents (or similar) knowing that the item will get bid way up. I don't believe Ksouth is quite as radical with their starting bids but I've often seen the same with them.

 

If either of them sold a "ton of fakes" you'd have heard about it by now and even eBay wouldn't stand for that. Questionable(?) bidding practices ? Sure. But tons of fakes ? I doubt it.

 

[indianagolf2]

Not worth the risk fwiw....but up to the buyer

[lefty1978]

20 hours ago, bigvoo said:

I am staying away, I think they sell a ton of fakes...

You'd be wrong then. They do not sell fakes.

[nsxguy]

10 hours ago, indianagolf2 said:

Not worth the risk fwiw....but up to the buyer

 

Who are you talking to ? (The Quote button is your (& our) friend.

 

And what's the risk ?

[indianagolf2]

Oy vey 

[Valtiel]

4 hours ago, indianagolf2 said:

Oy vey 

Fakes are normally bad/obvious enough to where an outlet that big would get taken down quickly if they were putting any out there. You'll notice that most eBay accounts that sell things like fake grips are more numerous with lower feedback scores. You have to spread counterfeit items out across multiple vectors, you can't firehose them through one big outlet without getting noticed. 

So yeah, the guys above were right to call you out on that because you aren't providing anything other than your feelings. Although you did "fwiw" so maybe you assume the worth is very low. 😛 

[indianagolf2]

Aggravation could be the risk..the delays..its not always the end result.