The Official Wishon Sterling single length iron discussion

[kenstl]

I am interested in this thread as well as I have liked this concept for quite some time. I contacted my Wishon fitter and he hopes to have a price list for the Wishon line this month. I attached a PDF on the clubs from one of Wishon's post. With the addition of this line there will be 3 choices for a new set

 

I thought I would start a discussion on the new set of single length irons that Tom Wishon is bringing to market. I would be interested in hearing any information on the irons as they hit the market and if anyone has hit them yet. I am a fan of Tom's fitting philosophy and his products and can't wait to try these out.

[MrFlapjack]

Looking forward to these as well!

[OrangeGravy]

I'm also very interested in these irons. The Pinhawks are affordable, specially for trying out something new but the Wishon iron heads are much more visually appealing. I would love to get my hands on a set. I struggle with my setup/address due to not being able to play or practice very often. I think a SL set would help a ton in that area for me.

[jwjw1212]

I'm going to try some as soon as they come out

[billh17]

I think i will also try these in the spring. I have made a set out of old ones in the shop.and the results were good enough to convince

me to try them out. His club heads looked very nice.

[Juice__25]

I hope to try a set, as well. I'm a fan of Tom W.

 

What's the price of a set going to coming out to? They won't be available till March, is this correct?

 

I do wonder how far I could consistently hit a SL 23* 5i or 5h. Maybe in the future there might be a SL 19 or 20* 4i or 4h? Considering gapping from my irons to woods now is all.

[PJ72]

Loving the look and idea of these.

 

I'm been thinking about going for a fitting for a wishon iron set ( and maybe woods). Anyone know if these will be available in UK soon?

[TomWishon]

I hope to try a set, as well. I'm a fan of Tom W.

 

What's the price of a set going to coming out to? They won't be available till March, is this correct?

 

I do wonder how far I could consistently hit a SL 23* 5i or 5h. Maybe in the future there might be a SL 19 or 20* 4i or 4h? Considering gapping from my irons to woods now is all.

 

Thank you very much. Latest report from our production factory is we should have inventory here to introduce the model by the first week of March.

 

As with all my designs, they are available through independent custom clubfitters. As independents, they set their retail pricing for every model they offer in their work. We can offer suggestions but we cannot compel their pricing on anything they do. So you will want to contact a clubmaker in your area to inquire about their pricing and demo/test club program and fitting analysis.

 

More than likely the final pricing will be commensurate with what big stores charge for big OEM company forged carbon steel iron sets. This is because since the 5, 6, 7 are carbon steel + high COR face and the 8 to wedges are carbon steel one piece heads, the pricing of the heads to the clubmakers is going to be very much the same as the pricing of a forged carbon steel iron head to the clubmakers.

 

More information including a video is up on our website now - http://wishongolf.com/designs/sets/sterling-irons-single-length-set/

 

Thanks very much,

TOM

[MMB1500]

Looks like Wishon has done a Sterling job with these.

[BMC]

The Wishons look sweet, but....

 

I can see the single length irons as a potential plus for the 3 - 6 irons, but for the real scoring clubs 7-PW, I don't see the benefit.

[gunmetal]

Ha! Glad I was pointed to this thread! I was about to start tearing down my 575MC's to begin experimenting. I can wait until March given this is a particularly brutal winter in the Rocky Mountains!

[duffer888]

No disrespect to Tom, but I'd like to know what club fitter is experienced in building and fitting single length clubs, rather than just going to my local club fitter and hoping he knows what he's doing.

[BMC]

No disrespect to Tom, but I'd like to know what club fitter is experienced in building and fitting single length clubs, rather than just going to my local club fitter and hoping he knows what he's doing.

 

The real building is in the heads, which Tom has done. The fitter will just need to get you the right shaft and lie angle throughout the set....I would think.

[diggingestdog]

The Wishons look sweet, but....

 

I can see the single length irons as a potential plus for the 3 - 6 irons, but for the real scoring clubs 7-PW, I don't see the benefit.

 

Like any other piece of equipment, the benefits are not for everyone. For me, and others, the benefit is the swing is exactly the same. The feel is exactly the same. The stance, posture and swing plane are exactly the same. The clubs feel exactly the same. Same length, head weight, total weight, lie angle, etc. It's provided me with a consistency I've not had prior. Again, it's not going to be that way for everyone. It works for me.

[trapsmv15]

Congrats on bringing these to market, Tom! Obviously a ton of hard work put in to do it right.

[BMC]

The Wishons look sweet, but....

 

I can see the single length irons as a potential plus for the 3 - 6 irons, but for the real scoring clubs 7-PW, I don't see the benefit.

 

Like any other piece of equipment, the benefits are not for everyone. For me, and others, the benefit is the swing is exactly the same. The feel is exactly the same. The stance, posture and swing plane are exactly the same. The clubs feel exactly the same. Same length, head weight, total weight, lie angle, etc. It's provided me with a consistency I've not had prior. Again, it's not going to be that way for everyone. It works for me.

 

I get it, but kinda takes the fun out of the game. How do you hit a soft PW under a limb with a shaft at 5 or 6 iron length?

[Leftymoose]

What would be the yardage differences between clubs if they are SL..typically clubs go down about 0.5" and 3-5 degrees from iron to iron so you're getting 10-15 yards differences..but if clubs are the same length and only loft changes that same 3-5 degrees are we talking 5-7 yards difference between irons? Wouldn't that essentially make you hit your scoring clubs longer which would make it more difficult to gauge your wedge game and approach shots within that 120 yards and in zone? Maybe I'm wrong, I've never tried an SL set.

[diggingestdog]

The Wishons look sweet, but....

 

I can see the single length irons as a potential plus for the 3 - 6 irons, but for the real scoring clubs 7-PW, I don't see the benefit.

 

Like any other piece of equipment, the benefits are not for everyone. For me, and others, the benefit is the swing is exactly the same. The feel is exactly the same. The stance, posture and swing plane are exactly the same. The clubs feel exactly the same. Same length, head weight, total weight, lie angle, etc. It's provided me with a consistency I've not had prior. Again, it's not going to be that way for everyone. It works for me.

 

I get it, but kinda takes the fun out of the game. How do you hit a soft PW under a limb with a shaft at 5 or 6 iron length?

 

I'm not sure why this takes the fun out of the game. Is it because you perceive this set makeup to make golf less challenging? I enjoy playing golf, especially within my normal group. I enjoy it that much more if I score better. Different golfers, different ways to configure the bag. I shoot lower scores this way. You may not.

 

The pitching wedges for most people with a set like this is around a 7 iron length, not a 5 or a 6, but it could be if chosen. If I'm in a tough spot, perhaps under a limb as you say, I've never found the fact that my pitching wedge is a little longer than most golfers to be any sort of problem. I can choke down on a club or be creative and come up with another way to play the shot. You might be overanalyzing this a bit.

[diggingestdog]

What would be the yardage differences between clubs if they are SL..typically clubs go down about 0.5" and 3-5 degrees from iron to iron so you're getting 10-15 yards differences..but if clubs are the same length and only loft changes that same 3-5 degrees are we talking 5-7 yards difference between irons? Wouldn't that essentially make you hit your scoring clubs longer which would make it more difficult to gauge your wedge game and approach shots within that 120 yards and in zone? Maybe I'm wrong, I've never tried an SL set.

 

I haven't found the yardage gaps to be an issue. The fact there's no difference in the lengths of my irons has not caused the gaps to compress. I still have 10-12 between each club. My irons are 5* apart. Yes, I have picked up a little distance in the 8,9, and pw. But the amount is not that significant. With respect to gauging the wedge game, it's like anybody else. I learn my yardages, I use 3/4 swings, etc. It's not as complicated as some think.

 

The only issue that's been created is not a yardage one, but a launch angle. The 50* gap wedge I'm playing launches a little high for my liking, and I attribute that to the extra length. But it's a compromise that's no different in principle than choosing accuracy over length with a driver.

[BMC]

The Wishons look sweet, but....

 

I can see the single length irons as a potential plus for the 3 - 6 irons, but for the real scoring clubs 7-PW, I don't see the benefit.

 

Like any other piece of equipment, the benefits are not for everyone. For me, and others, the benefit is the swing is exactly the same. The feel is exactly the same. The stance, posture and swing plane are exactly the same. The clubs feel exactly the same. Same length, head weight, total weight, lie angle, etc. It's provided me with a consistency I've not had prior. Again, it's not going to be that way for everyone. It works for me.

 

I get it, but kinda takes the fun out of the game. How do you hit a soft PW under a limb with a shaft at 5 or 6 iron length?

 

I'm not sure why this takes the fun out of the game. Is it because you perceive this set makeup to make golf less challenging? I enjoy playing golf, especially within my normal group. I enjoy it that much more if I score better. Different golfers, different ways to configure the bag. I shoot lower scores this way. You may not.

 

The pitching wedges for most people with a set like this is around a 7 iron length, not a 5 or a 6, but it could be if chosen. If I'm in a tough spot, perhaps under a limb as you say, I've never found the fact that my pitching wedge is a little longer than most golfers to be any sort of problem. I can choke down on a club or be creative and come up with another way to play the shot. You might be overanalyzing this a bit.

 

Analyzing it, but not over-analyzing it. I'm still trying to figure out how hitting a 37 inch PW is more accurate than a 35 inch PW. Bring on the science.

[diggingestdog]

The Wishons look sweet, but....

 

I can see the single length irons as a potential plus for the 3 - 6 irons, but for the real scoring clubs 7-PW, I don't see the benefit.

 

Like any other piece of equipment, the benefits are not for everyone. For me, and others, the benefit is the swing is exactly the same. The feel is exactly the same. The stance, posture and swing plane are exactly the same. The clubs feel exactly the same. Same length, head weight, total weight, lie angle, etc. It's provided me with a consistency I've not had prior. Again, it's not going to be that way for everyone. It works for me.

 

I get it, but kinda takes the fun out of the game. How do you hit a soft PW under a limb with a shaft at 5 or 6 iron length?

 

I'm not sure why this takes the fun out of the game. Is it because you perceive this set makeup to make golf less challenging? I enjoy playing golf, especially within my normal group. I enjoy it that much more if I score better. Different golfers, different ways to configure the bag. I shoot lower scores this way. You may not.

 

The pitching wedges for most people with a set like this is around a 7 iron length, not a 5 or a 6, but it could be if chosen. If I'm in a tough spot, perhaps under a limb as you say, I've never found the fact that my pitching wedge is a little longer than most golfers to be any sort of problem. I can choke down on a club or be creative and come up with another way to play the shot. You might be overanalyzing this a bit.

 

Analyzing it, but not over-analyzing it. I'm still trying to figure out how hitting a 37 inch PW is more accurate than a 35 inch PW. Bring on the science.

 

It's not more accurate because it's 37". It's not even necessarily more accurate for a given golfer. I have found this set make up to provide me with more consistency. I've no science for you, I'll leave that to Tom or someone else. The key here is "some". For some, there is more consistency with the iron swing by virtue of the swing and feel being the same for all the irons. I'm certain this wouldn't work for everyone, because it's just like any other equipment choice. What works for one will not work for another.

[Leftymoose]

What would be the yardage differences between clubs if they are SL..typically clubs go down about 0.5" and 3-5 degrees from iron to iron so you're getting 10-15 yards differences..but if clubs are the same length and only loft changes that same 3-5 degrees are we talking 5-7 yards difference between irons? Wouldn't that essentially make you hit your scoring clubs longer which would make it more difficult to gauge your wedge game and approach shots within that 120 yards and in zone? Maybe I'm wrong, I've never tried an SL set.

 

I haven't found the yardage gaps to be an issue. The fact there's no difference in the lengths of my irons has not caused the gaps to compress. I still have 10-12 between each club. My irons are 5* apart. Yes, I have picked up a little distance in the 8,9, and pw. But the amount is not that significant. With respect to gauging the wedge game, it's like anybody else. I learn my yardages, I use 3/4 swings, etc. It's not as complicated as some think.

 

The only issue that's been created is not a yardage one, but a launch angle. The 50* gap wedge I'm playing launches a little high for my liking, and I attribute that to the extra length. But it's a compromise that's no different in principle than choosing accuracy over length with a driver.

 

I appreciate the feedback. I'm intrigued by the SL theory. I just find that with my game, if I were to try this set up, I might find myself with a bunch of 3/4, 1/2, 1/4 wedge shots which I already find difficult to be consistent with. I definitely agree that having an SL set up would make for a more consistent swing, set up, etc. Very interesting

[Nessism]

Seems to me a set could be built SL in the long irons and progressively shorter starting with the 8 iron or so. Sort of like what Nickent did back in the day. That would take care of the concerns some guys have with wanting their scoring clubs of conventional length. Get some hosel weights and go to town!

[sixtysevensixtyseven]

What are people going to be carrying for a 60 degree wedge with this? I'm not sure I could get acclimated to hitting a 37" long iron but I know I'm not ready to start messing around with the ball position in my short game to make the adjustment to a 37" SW.

 

From an iron perspective the idea makes sense on paper but I'm not sure it makes sense with the scoring clubs. I suppose you could play a normal length 60 and transform your short game to chipping with a 60 or hitting bump and runs.

[sixtysevensixtyseven]

The Wishons look sweet, but....

 

I can see the single length irons as a potential plus for the 3 - 6 irons, but for the real scoring clubs 7-PW, I don't see the benefit.

 

Like any other piece of equipment, the benefits are not for everyone. For me, and others, the benefit is the swing is exactly the same. The feel is exactly the same. The stance, posture and swing plane are exactly the same. The clubs feel exactly the same. Same length, head weight, total weight, lie angle, etc. It's provided me with a consistency I've not had prior. Again, it's not going to be that way for everyone. It works for me.

 

I get it, but kinda takes the fun out of the game. How do you hit a soft PW under a limb with a shaft at 5 or 6 iron length?

 

I'm not sure why this takes the fun out of the game. Is it because you perceive this set makeup to make golf less challenging? I enjoy playing golf, especially within my normal group. I enjoy it that much more if I score better. Different golfers, different ways to configure the bag. I shoot lower scores this way. You may not.

 

The pitching wedges for most people with a set like this is around a 7 iron length, not a 5 or a 6, but it could be if chosen. If I'm in a tough spot, perhaps under a limb as you say, I've never found the fact that my pitching wedge is a little longer than most golfers to be any sort of problem. I can choke down on a club or be creative and come up with another way to play the shot. You might be overanalyzing this a bit.

 

Analyzing it, but not over-analyzing it. I'm still trying to figure out how hitting a 37 inch PW is more accurate than a 35 inch PW. Bring on the science.

 

How about trying to hit a bunker shot with a 37" SW. Maybe this didn't work the previous times it was tried because people didn't want to overhaul their short game or try to hit a 37" 5 iron...

[Alex1975]

I would be very interested to have a set of these on a launch monitor for an hour or two. I wonder if you lose a lot of height as you move up to the "longer" irons (clearly they are not longer in this case)

[gunmetal]

 

 

How about trying to hit a bunker shot with a 37" SW. Maybe this didn't work the previous times it was tried because people didn't want to overhaul their short game or try to hit a 37" 5 iron...

 

Many if not most 5 irons today are 37.5". Most wedges are right around 36". On paper it doesn't seem like THAT big of an adjustment to make. In theory, you may be right, it may be too big of an adjustment but to me 1/2" to an 1" seems doable. Certainly worth a try if GIR's or proximity to the hole are a weak part of one's game, right?

[sixtysevensixtyseven]

How about trying to hit a bunker shot with a 37" SW. Maybe this didn't work the previous times it was tried because people didn't want to overhaul their short game or try to hit a 37" 5 iron...

 

Many if not most 5 irons today are 37.5". Most wedges are right around 36". On paper it doesn't seem like THAT big of an adjustment to make. In theory, you may be right, it may be too big of an adjustment but to me 1/2" to an 1" seems doable. Certainly worth a try if GIR's or proximity to the hole are a weak part of one's game, right?

 

Most 5 irons are 37.5" stock? I don't think I know of any 5 irons that are stock 37.5" but I could be wrong....

 

My stock Titleist 5 iron is 38" and my stock 55 degree Vokey wedge is 35.25". I think that 2" either way is a big difference. I also carry a 4 iron so then what?

 

I'm a legit plus handicap and I hit it pretty far the portion of my bag that I place the most importance on are long irons/woods for getting on par 5's in two and 130 and in because I have that yardage into par 4's quite often. I understand that my game will be considered an outlier but I raised the question of what are people going to carry for a 60 degree wedge, however, I'm also interested in what people are going to do at the top of their bag say between their shortest wood/hybrid and the 5 iron or hybrid.

 

The more I think about the single length thing the more it makes less sense to me...

[PouncePony]

Due to back issues, I have difficultly hitting short irons. The shorter the iron, the steeper and tighter the swing, the harder for me to execute. A 6 iron is my comfort club; it just feels natural. This may be the irons for me.

[Nessism]

 

Most 5 irons are 37.5" stock? I don't think I know of any 5 irons that are stock 37.5" but I could be wrong....

 

My stock Titleist 5 iron is 38" and my stock 55 degree Vokey wedge is 35.25". I think that 2" either way is a big difference. I also carry a 4 iron so then what?

 

I'm a legit plus handicap and I hit it pretty far the portion of my bag that I place the most importance on are long irons/woods for getting on par 5's in two and 130 and in because I have that yardage into par 4's quite often. I understand that my game will be considered an outlier but I raised the question of what are people going to carry for a 60 degree wedge but I'm also interested in what people are going to do at the top of their bag say between their shortest wood/hybrid and the 5 iron or hybrid.

 

The more I think about the single length thing the more it makes less sense to me...

 

I don't want to be a jerk and all but if you are not interested in the concept of SL irons then how come you are posting in this thread?

 

As mentioned, you can build your wedges shorter anyway, that's the beauty of Wishon's hosel weight port.