2016 US Open Discussion Thread

[BillyZ2]

Regardless of what happens, DJ has got to wonder what he has to do to win. wth

[endy]

Was it Azinger or Faxon that said something along the lines of "who cares what a stupid idiot says to you during your round" lol that was awesome

[Chilidog]

Under the rule, he has to ground his club in front of or behind the ball. So, no.

 

Dont agree w how this is being handled by the usga (they should have just told him it is a penalty, so play accordingly)... But...

 

He set his feet to the ball, his address.

He pulled his putter inside of the ball w his set address.

He grounded the putter inside of the ball by a fraction of an inch.

He took a practice swing twice, and grounded the putter again inside of the ball.

He picked up the head and moved it forward to the ball, again w the same initial address.

As he was moving the head down to ground behind the ball, it rolled several degrees off its previous axis.

He saw it, stopped dropping his putter to ground, and pulled up out of his address.

 

He knew, just as any of us that has something really close to this happen before, that he was the likely cause of movement. We would be bummed, and likely not ever count the penalty, but we would know deep down inside what it was, and what the rule would be. And we would likely take that generous drop full well knowing we were just trying to get away w one. All very understandable and relatable.

 

But yes, not just calling it what it is, and enforcing it right then and now... Well that is another problem.

[baller4opca]

Why even have walking rules official??

[PGArox]

I think the salient point in this ruling ... the key phrase ... is the "weight of the evidence."

 

There simply is not enough evidence to rule against DJ. Hence, I am now confident that he will not be assessed a penalty, and I believe DJ feels the same.

[Chilidog]

He grounded his club. DJ did not.

 

Should Lowry have been penalized yesterday for the same thing, or was his situation different (not arguing that how the USGA is handling it is BS, just curious as to the difference between the two incidents.

[azgreg]

Should Lowry have been penalized yesterday for the same thing, or was his situation different (not arguing that how the USGA is handling it is BS, just curious as to the difference between the two incidents.

It is different. Lowry actually said to the rules official he caused the ball to move.

[dlygrisse]

Should Lowry have been penalized yesterday for the same thing, or was his situation different (not arguing that how the USGA is handling it is BS, just curious as to the difference between the two incidents.

 

Lowry said he made the ball move. He told that to the rules official.

[Yzmerf]

Think they will still get 10k trying to qualify next year? It would be classic if they couldn't fill the filed with tour players.

[poppyhillsguy]

Holy moley. I didn't realize Westwood was blowing up like that.

[OldBridge]

And Jim Furyk creeps closer to the top....

[endy]

He grounded his club. DJ did not.

 

Should Lowry have been penalized yesterday for the same thing, or was his situation different (not arguing that how the USGA is handling it is BS, just curious as to the difference between the two incidents.

 

And he blatantly admitted he caused the ball to move. DJ said he absolutely did not.

[azgreg]

Lowry drops another.

[agebert28]

This would be like the NBA ruling a shot as a 3 pointer in the second quarter and then saying "we might change it to a 2 when we review it after the game ends" so you have no idea the actual score.

[Chayybo]

if dj loses because of this ruling, everybody will lose all respect for the usga. I hope they know that. This is such pussyshit

[Dan_E]

Thanks for clarifying guys, make sense.

[doctorbloor]

He grounded his club. DJ did not.

 

Should Lowry have been penalized yesterday for the same thing, or was his situation different (not arguing that how the USGA is handling it is BS, just curious as to the difference between the two incidents.

Per Hall, he also acknowledged to the official that he was the cause of the ball moving.

[buckeyefl]

Decision is pretty well written, put it up Fox instead of sensationalism. Let people see the damn rule. As usual folks on here up in arms without reading the rule or the decision. Fox getting an F for this one. Tweets from players that don't know the rules mean zip.

 

Link?

 

18-2/0.5

 

We all know the ball moved. The question is whether the player deemed it to move. I say no. Obviously you have a different opinion. In my opinion, he put his putter down beside the ball, not behind the ball. The ball did not roll towards the player, it moved backwards. If the weight of his putter or his actions would have caused the movement, it would have moved toward the player. Apparently most the players in the field, all the commentators and most all on wrx agree.

 

Furthermore, he called in a rules official and ... Call it then or at least tell he they are going g to review post round. To wait unti 12 to put that his head is bush league.

 

That would depend on the slope of the green, among other things. I haven't made up my mind, but I'm not losing it, either. Not saying you are. Fay is finally reading the rule, Fox is way behind on this.

 

I just encourage people to read the decision, think about it and then react.

 

The rule is tough, but there didn't appear to be any other force acting on the ball. It had no trouble staying put until he set the putter down a couple of times beside the ball, may have pushed down a fraction too hard, who knows.

 

How many times on fast greens have you watched a ball lying motionless with no one around it and it moves? It happens. Gravity, wind, and slope are not simply theories. It's a ridiculous standard and there is no reason for them to hang their hat on this incorrect decision especially given their fondness for fast greens that were never designed to be played at speed that they like to have them play.

 

You may have noticed that Fay doesn't seem very happy either with how it was handled. Amateur hour at its finest.

[tgtaggie]

Surprised that Shane is playing this poorly coming in

 

Day got to be kicking himself at how he played the last 2 holes

[drbonesvt]

Lowry was penalized on 3rd rd for a putter infraction, can someone elaborate on that incident

[tbowles411]

I think the salient point in this ruling ... the key phrase ... is the "weight of the evidence."

 

There simply is not enough evidence to rule against DJ. Hence, I am now confident that he will not be assessed a penalty, and I believe DJ feels the same.

I hope you're right. I'm not for or against him. But if he loses let this not be it.

[carn9698]

Decision is pretty well written, put it up Fox instead of sensationalism. Let people see the damn rule. As usual folks on here up in arms without reading the rule or the decision. Fox getting an F for this one. Tweets from players that don't know the rules mean zip.

 

Agreed the adults will make the decision not a bunch of twenty something little teeny boppers who like to tweet

what a load of baloney.

 

DJs play was effected by the injection of ambiguity in delaying the decision/verdict. You simply cannot do this. DJ needed to be told good or bad the verdict before playing another shot.

 

Trust me Seve would have still been sat on his bag right now until concrete ruling was giving.

 

Please stop apologising for these clip board farce creators.

[buckeyefl]

Should Lowry have been penalized yesterday for the same thing, or was his situation different (not arguing that how the USGA is handling it is BS, just curious as to the difference between the two incidents)?

 

Lowry called it on himself because he felt he caused it to move. DJ felt the opposite with witnesses who agreed. It should not even be an issue.

[jmvargas]

i really hope i'm wrong but am [retty sure DJ will get that 1 stroke penalty..

[playa]

Lowry is not gollowing the script. He needs to hold it together so the inevitable DJ choke isnt rewarded with a major. DJ is hooding up his end of the bargain, but Lowry needs to stop choking himself.

 

Piss off.

 

agreed F off. 99% percent of Us want DJ to win. Solid par DJ lets go now.

Just trying to grt peoples concentration back to the golf instead of pontificating about a penalty that may or may not jappen.

You're welcome.

Go Lowry.

[Smash Factors]

If I'm reading this correctly, there should be no penalty for DJ

 

18-2. By Player, Partner, Caddie or Equipment

 

Except as permitted by the Rules, when a player's ball is in play, if

(i)

the player, his partner or either of their caddies:

 

•

lifts or moves the ball,

 

•

touches it purposely (except with a club in the act of addressing the ball), or

 

•

causes the ball to move, or

(ii)

the equipment of the player or his partner causes the ball to move, the player incurs a penalty of one stroke.

 

If the ball is moved, it must be replaced, unless the movement of the ball occurs after the player has begun thestroke or the backward movement of the club for the stroke and the stroke is made.

[BMC]

He did ground his club twice on his practice strokes in close proximity of the ball. The ball eventually moved. He should have called the penalty on himself.

[buckeyefl]

Just found this message on my phone from an old mentor who is a PGA Tour rules official.

 

"Remember which events I told you were always the worst officiated?"

[Medic]

Why even have walking rules official??

 

If the ruling goes against DJ and causes him to lose there might not be much longer. That is after some of the Wiseguys in Vegas who lost a bundle on the whole mess get a hold of him.

 

All kidding aside, it could honestly get ugly for that Hall guy if this goes against DJ. There are some really sick people out there who take things to an extreme and I wouldn't want to be the one on national TV basically telling a fan favorite "Hey, we're about to screw you outta this title - you cool with that?"

[dangerman77]

DJ wins by one: USGA assesses 1 stroke penalty for violation of 18-2/0.5.

 

DJ wins by two: USGA assesses 1 stroke penalty for violation of 18-2/0.5, then assesses a "late payment" penalty of one stroke.