Comparison-- Tensei Orange V2, Kuro Kage Dual Core XT, Tensei Pro White

[gioguy21]

Is the Orange available yet?

 

 

I asked the company and they wrote me back stating they are working on finalizing the Tensei Orange and are set for a Spring 2017 release to the public.

 

 

Thanks for the write up Tollbros as this was a great write up about the shafts as I was confused on the characteristics of each shaft and what type of player would benefit the most.

 

You're welcome. As for orange, if released it will be V3, which is a cb version of white, and is the shaft Fowler plays. V2 will remain Tour only.

 

Love the Orange V2, I've had it in my driver for almost 2 months now, came from the Pro White and as you have said it feels a lot smoother and while the white worked well for me, the V2 fits my swing a lot better. I currently have a 70TX Pro Blue in my 3 wood, have zero complaints with the way it performs other than it feels a little light in my 3 wood(tour issue m2), thinking about moving to an 80g version. I have the opportunity to get my hands on a Orange 80TX V3 as well, how do you think it would compare to the blue in terms of being in a 3wood?

 

I have the 80TX in my 3w...don't bother with the orange -- just go blue. it's that good.

[ZBigStick]

Awesome review!

[jokerusn]

Very cool. Thanks! How would you compare the HZRDUS Black in performance to these?

 

HZRDUS Black is even tip heavier and lower launching than these. I don't want to get in trouble for giving too much data but dual core xt will launch higher (1-1.5 degrees) and spin less with similar balance.

 

Maybe that's why I like it so much. I really like my driver to have a heavier swing weight - D5-D6 - and the HZRDUS feels amazing. I may have to give the dual core XT a try though. Which would you say is more stable?

[adam2883]

Is the Orange available yet?

 

 

I asked the company and they wrote me back stating they are working on finalizing the Tensei Orange and are set for a Spring 2017 release to the public.

 

 

Thanks for the write up Tollbros as this was a great write up about the shafts as I was confused on the characteristics of each shaft and what type of player would benefit the most.

 

You're welcome. As for orange, if released it will be V3, which is a cb version of white, and is the shaft Fowler plays. V2 will remain Tour only.

 

Love the Orange V2, I've had it in my driver for almost 2 months now, came from the Pro White and as you have said it feels a lot smoother and while the white worked well for me, the V2 fits my swing a lot better. I currently have a 70TX Pro Blue in my 3 wood, have zero complaints with the way it performs other than it feels a little light in my 3 wood(tour issue m2), thinking about moving to an 80g version. I have the opportunity to get my hands on a Orange 80TX V3 as well, how do you think it would compare to the blue in terms of being in a 3wood?

 

I have the 80TX in my 3w...don't bother with the orange -- just go blue. it's that good.

 

Thanks! That's kind of what I was thinking, stick with what I know feels good and works I that club.

[TollBros]

Is the Orange available yet?

 

 

I asked the company and they wrote me back stating they are working on finalizing the Tensei Orange and are set for a Spring 2017 release to the public.

 

 

Thanks for the write up Tollbros as this was a great write up about the shafts as I was confused on the characteristics of each shaft and what type of player would benefit the most.

 

You're welcome. As for orange, if released it will be V3, which is a cb version of white, and is the shaft Fowler plays. V2 will remain Tour only.

 

Love the Orange V2, I've had it in my driver for almost 2 months now, came from the Pro White and as you have said it feels a lot smoother and while the white worked well for me, the V2 fits my swing a lot better. I currently have a 70TX Pro Blue in my 3 wood, have zero complaints with the way it performs other than it feels a little light in my 3 wood(tour issue m2), thinking about moving to an 80g version. I have the opportunity to get my hands on a Orange 80TX V3 as well, how do you think it would compare to the blue in terms of being in a 3wood?

 

I have only hit the V3 in 70 gram at this point. I'd prefer to reserve judgement on the 80 gram until that product has been hit and tested. Hopefully that happens soon.

[TollBros]

Is the Orange available yet?

 

 

I asked the company and they wrote me back stating they are working on finalizing the Tensei Orange and are set for a Spring 2017 release to the public.

 

 

Thanks for the write up Tollbros as this was a great write up about the shafts as I was confused on the characteristics of each shaft and what type of player would benefit the most.

 

You're welcome. As for orange, if released it will be V3, which is a cb version of white, and is the shaft Fowler plays. V2 will remain Tour only.

 

Love the Orange V2, I've had it in my driver for almost 2 months now, came from the Pro White and as you have said it feels a lot smoother and while the white worked well for me, the V2 fits my swing a lot better. I currently have a 70TX Pro Blue in my 3 wood, have zero complaints with the way it performs other than it feels a little light in my 3 wood(tour issue m2), thinking about moving to an 80g version. I have the opportunity to get my hands on a Orange 80TX V3 as well, how do you think it would compare to the blue in terms of being in a 3wood?

 

I have the 80TX in my 3w...don't bother with the orange -- just go blue. it's that good.

 

Have you hit v3 orange 80? I wasn't aware the profile was even complete yet.

[TollBros]

Very cool. Thanks! How would you compare the HZRDUS Black in performance to these?

 

HZRDUS Black is even tip heavier and lower launching than these. I don't want to get in trouble for giving too much data but dual core xt will launch higher (1-1.5 degrees) and spin less with similar balance.

 

Maybe that's why I like it so much. I really like my driver to have a heavier swing weight - D5-D6 - and the HZRDUS feels amazing. I may have to give the dual core XT a try though. Which would you say is more stable?

 

HZRDUS black is an excellent shaft, but a lot of players feel it plays heavy and feels stiff. The dual core xt is certainly more connected and a smoother load.

[jokerusn]

Very cool. Thanks! How would you compare the HZRDUS Black in performance to these?

 

HZRDUS Black is even tip heavier and lower launching than these. I don't want to get in trouble for giving too much data but dual core xt will launch higher (1-1.5 degrees) and spin less with similar balance.

 

Maybe that's why I like it so much. I really like my driver to have a heavier swing weight - D5-D6 - and the HZRDUS feels amazing. I may have to give the dual core XT a try though. Which would you say is more stable?

 

HZRDUS black is an excellent shaft, but a lot of players feel it plays heavy and feels stiff. The dual core xt is certainly more connected and a smoother load.

 

Sounds like I need to stick with the HZRDUS then. I still may give the new XT a try for giggles.

[TollBros]

Very cool. Thanks! How would you compare the HZRDUS Black in performance to these?

 

HZRDUS Black is even tip heavier and lower launching than these. I don't want to get in trouble for giving too much data but dual core xt will launch higher (1-1.5 degrees) and spin less with similar balance.

 

Maybe that's why I like it so much. I really like my driver to have a heavier swing weight - D5-D6 - and the HZRDUS feels amazing. I may have to give the dual core XT a try though. Which would you say is more stable?

 

HZRDUS black is an excellent shaft, but a lot of players feel it plays heavy and feels stiff. The dual core xt is certainly more connected and a smoother load.

 

Sounds like I need to stick with the HZRDUS then. I still may give the new XT a try for giggles.

 

If you like that super low balance point and weighted feel to the lower portion of the shaft, hzrdus black really achieves that. I prefer to have more actual weight in the head itself for higher ball speed and MOI.

[cota0429]

Great review thanks

[The Chicken Connoisseur]

I'm just curious what kind of company is this? What's the name?

[TollBros]

Great review thanks

 

You're welcome. I've got some new stuff I should be able to share info on soon as well.

[TollBros]

http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/topic/1417962-mitsubishi-rayon-tensei-orange-v2-shaft-quick-review/page__pid__14637624#entry14637624

 

http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/topic/1413784-tensei-orange/page__pid__14627236__st__30#entry14627236

 

Two more Tensei Orange reviews, just to keep this info all available in the same thread.

[Pomps]

http://www.golfwrx.c...4#entry14637624

 

http://www.golfwrx.c...0#entry14627236

 

Two more Tensei Orange reviews, just to keep this info all available in the same thread.

 

Thank you for taking the time for this review. How would you compare the orange to the rogue silver 125 msi? It's my current gamer but now I'm intrigued by the orange.

[TollBros]

http://www.golfwrx.c...4#entry14637624

 

http://www.golfwrx.c...0#entry14627236

 

Two more Tensei Orange reviews, just to keep this info all available in the same thread.

 

Thank you for taking the time for this review. How would you compare the orange to the rogue silver 125 msi? It's my current gamer but now I'm intrigued by the orange.

 

The orange is smoother by far, not nearly as firm feeling, and is higher launch, while maintaining very low spin. It is an incredible shaft for everyone but those with a very quick/violent transition.

[TLfan]

I'm just curious what kind of company is this? What's the name?

 

Sounds like BSG to me as they have the same thread on their site and are always hyping product they sell...... I seriously doubt there is a "testing" company who determines what is put out on the market besides tour player feedback.... but if so I'd love to know the name of this top secret company who test all of these shafts and clubs and tells companies what to put out on the market, because I don't think it exist.

[TollBros]

I'm just curious what kind of company is this? What's the name?

 

Sounds like BSG to me as they have the same thread on their site and are always hyping product they sell...... I seriously doubt there is a "testing" company who determines what is put out on the market besides tour player feedback.... but if so I'd love to know the name of this top secret company who test all of these shafts and clubs and tells companies what to put out on the market, because I don't think it exist.

 

We are not affiliated with any other websites, and my boss is intending on sponsoring this site soon, so you'll get to see more of what we do soon, our website, and all that. We have been in regular contact with wrx management about what the company can offer to the site. Once that happens and my boss gives me the go ahead to discuss things more, I would be happy to. I am indeed familiar with other sites, and my reviews are often inspired by information that have been an interest on other websites. For example this thread, as well as the analysis I am working on with several of the new golf balls like the ksig, tp5, and several others. I am aware that the spy site did this review already, but it doesn't mean that the wrx community might not find it interesting, and that our evaluation might differ with a larger testing segment, which is the same reason I did this review, because these shafts seemed to be the hottest new products and I saw the information elsewhere and wanted to validate or invalidate through our own testing procedures, and share it with this community. Many times we will be doing the same thing, and we have plans of letting the wrx community vote on testing comparisons and what they would like to see compared or evaluated. Be patient with us and I think you'll be pretty pleased with the things we will bring to this community.

[The Chicken Connoisseur]

I'm just curious what kind of company is this? What's the name?

 

Sounds like BSG to me as they have the same thread on their site and are always hyping product they sell...... I seriously doubt there is a "testing" company who determines what is put out on the market besides tour player feedback.... but if so I'd love to know the name of this top secret company who test all of these shafts and clubs and tells companies what to put out on the market, because I don't think it exist.

 

We are not affiliated with any other websites, and my boss is intending on sponsoring this site soon, so you'll get to see more of what we do soon, our website, and all that. We have been in regular contact with wrx management about what the company can offer to the site. Once that happens and my boss gives me the go ahead to discuss things more, I would be happy to. I am indeed familiar with other sites, and my reviews are often inspired by information that have been an interest on other websites. For example this thread, as well as the analysis I am working on with several of the new golf balls like the ksig, tp5, and several others. I am aware that the spy site did this review already, but it doesn't mean that the wrx community might not find it interesting, and that our evaluation might differ with a larger testing segment, which is the same reason I did this review, because these shafts seemed to be the hottest new products and I saw the information elsewhere and wanted to validate or invalidate through our own testing procedures, and share it with this community. Many times we will be doing the same thing, and we have plans of letting the wrx community vote on testing comparisons and what they would like to see compared or evaluated. Be patient with us and I think you'll be pretty pleased with the things we will bring to this community.

 

It you're gonna become a sponsor, why can't you share the name now?

[noodle3872]

I'm just curious what kind of company is this? What's the name?

 

Sounds like BSG to me as they have the same thread on their site and are always hyping product they sell...... I seriously doubt there is a "testing" company who determines what is put out on the market besides tour player feedback.... but if so I'd love to know the name of this top secret company who test all of these shafts and clubs and tells companies what to put out on the market, because I don't think it exist.

 

We are not affiliated with any other websites, and my boss is intending on sponsoring this site soon, so you'll get to see more of what we do soon, our website, and all that. We have been in regular contact with wrx management about what the company can offer to the site. Once that happens and my boss gives me the go ahead to discuss things more, I would be happy to. I am indeed familiar with other sites, and my reviews are often inspired by information that have been an interest on other websites. For example this thread, as well as the analysis I am working on with several of the new golf balls like the ksig, tp5, and several others. I am aware that the spy site did this review already, but it doesn't mean that the wrx community might not find it interesting, and that our evaluation might differ with a larger testing segment, which is the same reason I did this review, because these shafts seemed to be the hottest new products and I saw the information elsewhere and wanted to validate or invalidate through our own testing procedures, and share it with this community. Many times we will be doing the same thing, and we have plans of letting the wrx community vote on testing comparisons and what they would like to see compared or evaluated. Be patient with us and I think you'll be pretty pleased with the things we will bring to this community.

 

It you're gonna become a sponsor, why can't you share the name now?

 

See the bolded, italicized and underlined sentence.

[The Chicken Connoisseur]

I'm just curious what kind of company is this? What's the name?

 

Sounds like BSG to me as they have the same thread on their site and are always hyping product they sell...... I seriously doubt there is a "testing" company who determines what is put out on the market besides tour player feedback.... but if so I'd love to know the name of this top secret company who test all of these shafts and clubs and tells companies what to put out on the market, because I don't think it exist.

 

We are not affiliated with any other websites, and my boss is intending on sponsoring this site soon, so you'll get to see more of what we do soon, our website, and all that. We have been in regular contact with wrx management about what the company can offer to the site. Once that happens and my boss gives me the go ahead to discuss things more, I would be happy to. I am indeed familiar with other sites, and my reviews are often inspired by information that have been an interest on other websites. For example this thread, as well as the analysis I am working on with several of the new golf balls like the ksig, tp5, and several others. I am aware that the spy site did this review already, but it doesn't mean that the wrx community might not find it interesting, and that our evaluation might differ with a larger testing segment, which is the same reason I did this review, because these shafts seemed to be the hottest new products and I saw the information elsewhere and wanted to validate or invalidate through our own testing procedures, and share it with this community. Many times we will be doing the same thing, and we have plans of letting the wrx community vote on testing comparisons and what they would like to see compared or evaluated. Be patient with us and I think you'll be pretty pleased with the things we will bring to this community.

 

It you're gonna become a sponsor, why can't you share the name now?

 

See the bolded, italicized and underlined sentence.

 

I can read. Maybe I should be more literal. Why does the boss feel that way?

[TollBros]

 

 

I can read. Maybe I should be more literal. Why does the boss feel that way?

 

Because we are still trying to figure out how to do testing and present it. I know he is outlining a letter to all of our clients, assuring them that none of the data they pay for, or products they submit will ever be used for publicly released information. All reviews or product evaluations posted in a public forum have to be independently obtained clubs, balls, shafts and the like. There is all kinds of legal stuff involved in the confidentiality of the information gathered. Once he handles all that and lets me know what I can or cannot say and how things are to be presented, I or some other company representation will discuss it. I just don't want to jeopardize my position by saying the wrong thing. So please be patient and I think we will be able to really provide some useful information for this community in the near future.

[Peanut191]

 

I can read. Maybe I should be more literal. Why does the boss feel that way?

 

Because we are still trying to figure out how to do testing and present it. I know he is outlining a letter to all of our clients, assuring them that none of the data they pay for, or products they submit will ever be used for publicly released information. All reviews or product evaluations posted in a public forum have to be independently obtained clubs, balls, shafts and the like. There is all kinds of legal stuff involved in the confidentiality of the information gathered. Once he handles all that and lets me know what I can or cannot say and how things are to be presented, I or some other company representation will discuss it. I just don't want to jeopardize my position by saying the wrong thing. So please be patient and I think we will be able to really provide some useful information for this community in the near future.

 

I look forward to seeing the type of information you are talking about in the future.

[TollBros]

 

I can read. Maybe I should be more literal. Why does the boss feel that way?

 

Because we are still trying to figure out how to do testing and present it. I know he is outlining a letter to all of our clients, assuring them that none of the data they pay for, or products they submit will ever be used for publicly released information. All reviews or product evaluations posted in a public forum have to be independently obtained clubs, balls, shafts and the like. There is all kinds of legal stuff involved in the confidentiality of the information gathered. Once he handles all that and lets me know what I can or cannot say and how things are to be presented, I or some other company representation will discuss it. I just don't want to jeopardize my position by saying the wrong thing. So please be patient and I think we will be able to really provide some useful information for this community in the near future.

 

I look forward to seeing the type of information you are talking about in the future.

 

I look forward to regularly reviewing and sharing with the community.

[KPH808]

 

I can read. Maybe I should be more literal. Why does the boss feel that way?

 

Because we are still trying to figure out how to do testing and present it. I know he is outlining a letter to all of our clients, assuring them that none of the data they pay for, or products they submit will ever be used for publicly released information. All reviews or product evaluations posted in a public forum have to be independently obtained clubs, balls, shafts and the like. There is all kinds of legal stuff involved in the confidentiality of the information gathered. Once he handles all that and lets me know what I can or cannot say and how things are to be presented, I or some other company representation will discuss it. I just don't want to jeopardize my position by saying the wrong thing. So please be patient and I think we will be able to really provide some useful information for this community in the near future.

 

I look forward to seeing the type of information you are talking about in the future.

 

I look forward to regularly reviewing and sharing with the community.

 

Looking forward to it and thanks for the info on the shafts. The dual core has my interest.

[Wardonation]

Full disclosure, I am part of a test panel for OEM's on prototype and pre production product. We test and hit the mass majority of high end and name product in the market place before most of you ever see it. We offer feedback and data to the manufacturers, presumably so they can make alterations or final decisions on shaft profiles, wedge or iron designs, driver cg's, etc. The perk of this job is that we get to hit, and often times have access to products long before they ever hit store shelves. The negative is lots of blisters and a sore back. :) I get questions on prototype shafts a lot, so I figured I would help clarify on some of the hottest current profiles. Because I am employeed, I have cleared this post with my boss, and have also been told that I cannot supply a lot of raw data, because honestly, that's why we still have jobs doing this. :)

 

 

Shaft Name: Mitsubishi Tensei Pro Orange V2

 

Launch + Spin Characteristics: Tensei Orange V2 launches very much like the Tensei Pro Blue model, however the spin rate is very much like Tensei Pro White. For those of you who have not hit white or blue, blue is similar to blueboard profile and white is simliar to whiteboard profile. Tensei White is considered one of the top 2-3 lowest spinning shafts on the market, and Tensei Blue is considered to be one of the smoothest shafts on the market. Orange V2 combines those attributes.

 

Load Characteristics: V2 is very tip stiff, but because of the kevlar butt section, feels very very smooth without ever feeling demanding or as if it will not turn over. It has, what I have read called a linear load property, which I think perfectly describes it. It's as if the entire shaft is working in concert, not disconnected, as in overly tip stiff, overly loose in the mid section, etc. It's a very connected feeling shaft.

 

Balance Characteristics: V2 is slightly more counterbalanced than Tensei White, about 4 grams or so to achieve the same swingweight, but this offers two advantages. One is, more weight in the handle generally means slightly more swing speed, and more weight in the head means higher MOI and marginally higher ball speed. Nearly every player seems to pick up ball speed with this shaft.

 

Intended Player: The only player precluded from using this profile would be those with a very quick tempo or violent transition. For example, I doubt Nick Price or Jason Day would much like V2 orange. You don't have to velvet smooth to play V2, but it does tend to work best for players with an even tempo and load, regardless of swing speed.

 

Overall Analysis: If high launch, low spin, and increased ball speed are what you are after, you won't find a better shaft than Orange V2. As long as you aren't shotgun fast in transition, it is very accurate, easy to work both ways, and never feels as if you need to stand on it to get maximum results. If there is a definition of the shaft working for the player, this is it. One other great thing is that almost every tester seems to pick up 3-5 mph in ball speed with this shaft.

 

 

Shaft Name: Kuro Kage Dual Core XT

 

Launch + Spin Characteristics: Dual Core XT is the new version of XT that will come out some time in the summer of 2017. Launch and spin with this shaft can really be altered with tipping. It gets stiff very quickly the more you tip it. Moreso than most other profiles. At like tipping, compared to current model XT, it is a similar launch and as much as 500rpm less spin. It is also lower spin than Tensei Pro White, which was the previously lowest spin profile our group had tested. Launch is pretty similar overall to Tensei White, maybe ½ degree lower on average. If you struggle with very high spin, this shaft is the beginning and the end for you.

 

Load Characteristics: This shaft is a shaft that almost any player can play because of the smooth feel of the profile, but even the most aggressive of players won't find this shaft to get loose on them. It is, what my boss calls, an attack profile. Meaning you can go at it as hard as you want and it will stand up to whatever you deliver. There is a reason Rory McIlroy, Jason Day, and Brooks Koepka have been testing and in some cases playing this exact profile for the last couple of months.

 

Balance Characteristics: Dual Core XT is very similar to the current model in terms of balance, which is a bit more tip heavy than the Tensei Pro profiles. It will appeal to the player who likes more of a HZRDUS black type balance, ie more tip heavy.

 

Intended Player: Any player struggling with high spin, or a very aggressive player looking for shaft that he can absolutely stand on without worry.

 

Overall Analysis: A great shaft, similar in performance to Tensei Pro White, but with a different type of feel and balance. Ultra low spin without being ultra low launch. One of our guys first comment was, "this thing is going to make M2 a bigger monster than it already is."

 

 

Shaft Name: Tensei Pro White

 

Launch + Spin Characteristics: Tensei White is what I would call a mid launch, low spin product. Before Dual Core XT, it was the lowest spin shaft we had ever tested.

 

Load Characteristics: The kevlar butt section of the Tensei line really takes a shaft that should feel stiff and hard to swing, and turns it into a very connected and managable feel. Some guys still feel it is a bit stiff to flex, but these players tend to not load the shaft very much at all. Quick transition guys can use Tensei Pro White, but a little more tipping is in order when compared to Dual Core XT.

 

Balance Characteristics: Tensei Pro White is pretty neutrally balanced, with maybe a hint toward being butt heavier than Dual Core XT, but not much. It will swingweight a couple points heavier than Tensei Pro Orange, with a very similar profile overall.

 

Intended Player: Well, Justin Rose, Tiger Woods, and Gary Woodland were the guys most famous for putting this shaft in play. All swing 120+ but without super violent transition. That said, all load the shaft pretty hard. It really is a shaft for a guy who brings some speed or is steep and generates a ton of spin.

 

Overall Analysis: Tensei Pro White is sort of the midline between Dual Core XT and Pro Orange. The feel is sort of in the middle, spin is in the middle as well, although Orange is within 100 or 200 rpm for most players. It is a great profile for those who feel the Orange is too smooth and the Dual Core XT is too tight, but still want massively low spin.

Is the Orange out yet too purchase? Cannot find it on the Mitsubishi website?

[noodle3872]

The Orange is Tour only at this point.

[pdaero]

TollBros, thank you so much for your input here and on other threads - I always valued your posts and took them with great credibility, and now I understand why. On another note, how would you compare the DI6 X to the Tensei Pro Blue and Orange V2, both in 60?

[mtg]

Earlier in this thread it was stated that the Orange being released to the broader public is the V3, which was said to be a counterbalanced version of the Tensei White. The Orange being released by MRC has a completely different profile than the white. Just curious how to square this circle. Is the one being released closer to the V2? Was the V3 never really a CB white, but a different shaft altogether? Or what.. anyone know?

[bfizzy]

Never hit the V2, but there is some pretty good info in a couple of threads here.

 

Having hit both the POV3 and the White, and hitting them both on trackman, both have similar launch and spin characteristics for me but as always YMMV. Where they really differ is in the feel side, To me the POV3 has a more consistent bend profile whereas the White has a softer butt section, and has a more active feel to it. The V3 is more backweighted and I added weight to the head of my M1 to have it swing weight out to where I like it.

[TollBros]

Earlier in this thread it was stated that the Orange being released to the broader public is the V3, which was said to be a counterbalanced version of the Tensei White. The Orange being released by MRC has a completely different profile than the white. Just curious how to square this circle. Is the one being released closer to the V2? Was the V3 never really a CB white, but a different shaft altogether? Or what.. anyone know?

 

This thread is a year old. Profiles change, things evolve, etc. To answer your question, the Pro Orange was said to be a counterbanced pro white in terms of PERFORMANCE. As in launch and spin characteristics, nobody ever said they have the same precise EI profile. That statement is still generally true.